1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 05 Nov 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 617       Contents: Re: DCPS and 132 listings  Re: DCPS and 132 listings # Re: Lock problems something strange > Re: Newbie: getting output from a Microvax to a VT320 terminal= Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS? = Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS? = Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS?   Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT  Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT  Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT  Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT  Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT Re: Trolling for business? RE: Trolling for business? Re: Trolling for business? RE: Trolling for business? Re: Trolling for business? Re: Trolling for business?6 Re: Were you an Interex member? Now you're being sold!6 Re: Were you an Interex member? Now you're being sold!6 Re: Were you an Interex member? Now you're being sold!9 Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ? ' Re: Windows authentication via OpenVMS? P www.vivepc.com Tu tienda de ordenadores discos duros impresoras memorias, Lo + b  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:53:53 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>" Subject: Re: DCPS and 132 listings5 Message-ID: <041120051409166497%paul.anderson@hp.com>   9 In article <dkg8bo$qrl$1@news01.intel.com>, Ken Fairfield  <my.full.name@intel.com> wrote:    > Paul Anderson wrote: > > $ > >    <esc>[15m<esc>[4w<esc>[1;132s >  > Nice one, Paul!  :-) :-)  G Thanks go to Ann Broomhead, who was our ANSI guru years ago.  Thanks to F Notes conferences and a fast search engine, I grabbed this from one of Ann's old notes.  E > I recognise the line printer font (CSI 15 m) and Carlos' 132-column G > portrait orientation (CSI 4 w), if htat's what it really is.  What is  > the (CSI 1 ; 132 s)?  , That's DECSLRM (Set Left and Right Margins).   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2005 12:10:14 -0800  From: carfer@gmail.com" Subject: Re: DCPS and 132 listingsB Message-ID: <1131135013.974925.69490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Thanks for your reply,  C I don't know why, till a moment ago I haven't been able to see your 	 messages.   D I have tested your ANSI sequences and see they print properly thoughD there is a minor problem. 66 lines doesn't fit the whole page, there- are 8 lines per inch instead of the normal 6.    I will testing.    Carlos Fernandez   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 05:06:16 GMT 6 From: Michael Austin <maustinat@firstdbasourcenot.com>, Subject: Re: Lock problems something strange; Message-ID: <c5Xaf.9873$q%.7060@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>    Eric wrote: 1 > <mckinneyj@saic.com> a crit dans le message de ? > news:1130512809.825001.235530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...  > F >>Since the lock is on a file you may be able to use WATCHFILE and see, >>what's happening. With CMKRNL priv enabled >> >>$ SET WATCH/CLASS=MAJOR FILEH >>$ ! do the GEMBASE thingy here and observe the output for a %x0001828A >>access status (FLK)  >>$ SET WATCH/CLASS=NONE FILE  >>) >>If MAJOR isn't verbose enought try ALL.  >  >  > very good tips, thank you. > I > Our VMS don't seem to understand the command "set watch/class", the VMS / > version is 7.3.2, i think you talk about 8..?    the EXACT command is:  $SET WATCH/CLASS=MAJOR FILE    where class= can be 3 /CLASS=MAJOR      !!minimal output - open/read file G /CLASS=ATTRIBUTE  !!more output    - what attribs are you using to read 3 /CLASS=ALL	!!you better have a very large buffer...  /CLASS=NONE     !!turn it off.E 	the word "FILE" is not a replacement value - it is the keyword FILE. @ I think there are others but cannot recall what they were... :)	   >  > thanks ..  > Eric >  >    Michael Austin   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:27:31 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>G Subject: Re: Newbie: getting output from a Microvax to a VT320 terminal + Message-ID: <436C26A3.728473E1@comcast.net>    Headley Sappleton wrote: >  > L > I am new to Digital VAX systems and I am trying to get a vt320 terminal toK > work with a microvax II box (MMJ ports). I already tried these newsgroups N > before, but the setting suggested has not worked. or maybe i am not doing itN > correctly. I believe the FAQ would be a good help, except that I do not haveI > access to the FAQ. Can someone point me to the faq and where in it this   > particular issue is addressed. > M > I have a Microvax II (MMJ ports) an MMJ cable and a VT320 terminal with MMJ  > ports   8 There are a lot of uVAX-II devotees over on comp.os.vms.  H I haven't seen one for years, but I recall the console port not being anF MMJ, more likely either DB-9 or DB-25. There should be a paddle switchF nearby (break enable) and a rotary switch (console language select) asH well as a single character digital display (3 at the console, 0 when the o.s. is running).   C The OpenVMS FAQ includes uVAX-II info., including the pinouts, data  rates and formats:    http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2005 14:34:44 -0800 ( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>F Subject: Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS?B Message-ID: <1131143684.083761.93860@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  % Thanks for answering Michael Kraemer, < I have just installed something like an OPEN3D license on myE Alphastation 500, I am not sure of my graphic adapter model and seems D that the seller hasn't sent me any installation package for it?! howF would I look up in OpenVMS whether it supports it, I mean, if it's got2 a driver I could install for this graphic adapter?E  I am afraid to say this in here, but I am starting to miss Windows!!      Michael Kraemer escreveu:   O > In article <1131112271.657147.183760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" " > <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes: > > Micheal, > > I > > I tried the command above and it reported me that there is no graphic J > > adapter installed. There is no installation cd for the graphic adapterE > > with me? is there any change to install it using OpenVMS built-in @ > > drivers, if such thing exists? I am using a VLSI Video Card. > >  > 6 > although I'm not the Michael you're referring to ...A > this message sounds similar to what I get with my alphastation. C > Looks like a missing driver, mine is OPEN3D, and it is not on the A > hobbyist CDs but on some SPL. And, most probably, it would need B > another license, which doesn't come with the hobbyist CD as wellT > (thank you DEC^WCompaq^WHP, for not supporting your own products, wise move that).9 > You should also check if your card is supported at all.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:34:02 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) F Subject: Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS?( Message-ID: <dkh97a$2hr$1@pcls4.std.com>  * "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes:  	 >Micheal,   H >>Try logging in as SYSTEM (and not from the workstation console window)J >>and execute $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP and see if it reports any errorsG >>(often a sysgen parameter not set to DECwindows' liking, or a license 
 >>problem)  F >I tried the command above and it reported me that there is no graphicG >adapter installed. There is no installation cd for the graphic adapter B >with me? is there any change to install it using OpenVMS built-in= >drivers, if such thing exists? I am using a VLSI Video Card.   J Drivers for the video cards that VMS knows about are part of the operatingG system or in some cases on the Open3D kit.  If it recognizes the device I the autoconfigure will automatically load the driver for it when booting. J What is this "VLSI Video Card"? VMS only knows about certain video cards, 7 not just any random card you may happen to have around.   A Do a $ SHOW DEVICE G  from a DCL prompt.  Probably nothing there. A (I think every single DECwindows video card shows up as Gxy0: and & few if any other devices begin with G)B Try $ mc sysman io auto /log/sel=g  to see if this finds anything.D Also type $ MC SYSGEN SHOW WINDOW_SYSTEM  it should be 1.  It may be? if WINDOW_SYSTEM is 0, it may not try to configure video cards.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:11:46 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>F Subject: Re: Should I have DECWindows running when I boot the OpenVMS?+ Message-ID: <436C22F2.538FA99F@comcast.net>    pbritto wrote: > ' > Thanks for answering Michael Kraemer, > > I have just installed something like an OPEN3D license on myG > Alphastation 500, I am not sure of my graphic adapter model and seems F > that the seller hasn't sent me any installation package for it?! howH > would I look up in OpenVMS whether it supports it, I mean, if it's got4 > a driver I could install for this graphic adapter?G >  I am afraid to say this in here, but I am starting to miss Windows!!   G Well, if you're truly going into withdrawal, and you have either some X @ software for WhineBloze or a suitable Linux / BSD / etc. machineG available, there are some tricks that could be useful for getting a VMS # login screen on your other machine.    This will address the VMS side:   F $ set display/create/trans=tcpip/node=a.b.c.d ! X display PC's IP addr! $ spawn/nolog mcr decw$startlogin    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2005 11:02:11 -0800  From: jordan@ccs4vms.com) Subject: Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT C Message-ID: <1131130931.825698.298230@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: L > I need to capture some LAT activity at a customer site.  I could have themL > do this for me if there was a TCPDUMP like utility for LAT.  I am not sureK > it will be possible to install any software on these systems, however, to , > gather this data due to security concerns. > % > Any "brain storming" ideas welcome.  >  > --M > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  > 6 >   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  ? If you are able to install software, there was a program called D DBS-LATWATCH on the V4 and V5 freeware disks.  If not, what were you, planning on using?  A laptop on the network?  ? Some older programs (Ethermon?) could do some protocol specific G monitoring if you knew the protocol ID (its been years, and I no longer ? have the programs or the info).  I imagine something similar is G available for wintel or mac systems, but I have no current information.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:11:57 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG) Subject: Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT 0 Message-ID: <00A4C4D2.2E1C4691@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ^ In article <1131130931.825698.298230@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com writes: >  >   >VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:M >> I need to capture some LAT activity at a customer site.  I could have them M >> do this for me if there was a TCPDUMP like utility for LAT.  I am not sure L >> it will be possible to install any software on these systems, however, to- >> gather this data due to security concerns.  >>& >> Any "brain storming" ideas welcome. >> >> -- N >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>7 >>   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  > @ >If you are able to install software, there was a program calledE >DBS-LATWATCH on the V4 and V5 freeware disks.  If not, what were you - >planning on using?  A laptop on the network?  > @ >Some older programs (Ethermon?) could do some protocol specificH >monitoring if you knew the protocol ID (its been years, and I no longer@ >have the programs or the info).  I imagine something similar isH >available for wintel or mac systems, but I have no current information.  J Herein lies the dilemma.  Anal corporate edict says nothing on the networkK that isn't secure (yeah, it's laughable as there are PeeCee/Micro$hit boxes 4 everywhere).  No UNSUPPORTED or FREEWARE software.    G I'm supposed to debug a problem but I can't have the hands-on to do so.    --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:58:18 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT , Message-ID: <436BCB69.AB4DD449@teksavvy.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > L > I need to capture some LAT activity at a customer site.  I could have them? > do this for me if there was a TCPDUMP like utility for LAT.     % > Any "brain storming" ideas welcome.   G There is the ETHERMON utility. (at least on VAX). Available from DECUS. + And if you can't find it, send me an email.   H You can filter the traffic to capture only the LAT traffic. But it won't= analyse the packets for you. You'll get raw ethernet packets.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:03:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT , Message-ID: <436BCCB9.2E783830@teksavvy.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: L > Herein lies the dilemma.  Anal corporate edict says nothing on the networkM > that isn't secure (yeah, it's laughable as there are PeeCee/Micro$hit boxes 4 > everywhere).  No UNSUPPORTED or FREEWARE software.  B Years ago, the MONITOR utility on VAX had an undocumented ethernetG support that could be enabled with a patch. I think this was documented  on decuserve.   F (you did ask for brainstorming). Since monitor is supported, you couldB just bring back the old version and enable the feature with PATCH.B (assuming you are on vax :-(. Not sure about alpha support though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:00:18 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ) Subject: Re: TCPDUMP like utility for LAT * Message-ID: <436C1232.1080700@bigpond.com>  / VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG was overheard to say: ` > In article <1131130931.825698.298230@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com writes: >  >>! >>VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >>M >>>I need to capture some LAT activity at a customer site.  I could have them M >>>do this for me if there was a TCPDUMP like utility for LAT.  I am not sure L >>>it will be possible to install any software on these systems, however, to- >>>gather this data due to security concerns.  >>> & >>>Any "brain storming" ideas welcome. >>>  >>>-- N >>>VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>> 7 >>>  "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"  >>A >>If you are able to install software, there was a program called F >>DBS-LATWATCH on the V4 and V5 freeware disks.  If not, what were you. >>planning on using?  A laptop on the network? >>A >>Some older programs (Ethermon?) could do some protocol specific I >>monitoring if you knew the protocol ID (its been years, and I no longer A >>have the programs or the info).  I imagine something similar is I >>available for wintel or mac systems, but I have no current information.  >  > L > Herein lies the dilemma.  Anal corporate edict says nothing on the networkM > that isn't secure (yeah, it's laughable as there are PeeCee/Micro$hit boxes 6 > everywhere).  No UNSUPPORTED or FREEWARE software.   > I > I'm supposed to debug a problem but I can't have the hands-on to do so.   @ I'll offer you support for DBS-LATWATCH for the next two months.@ The software will cost you a carton of Guiness (no longer free).B Support will be at a rate of one carton per month (now supported).   Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:08:09 +01003 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? = Message-ID: <436bdbc9$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- ; >> From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com] ! >> Sent: October 30, 2005 6:40 PM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >> Subject: Re: Trolling for business? >> >> Hi, >>> >>> Cognos gets the blame.  No Powerhouse on Itanium means get >> off VMS fast. >>> Easiest decision ever made.  >>> >> "NO POWERHOUSE ON ITANIUM"! How the hell did that happen? I >> personally have> >> never liked powerhouse (Quick, Qdesign, QTP what is it with >> the "Q") but it> >> was pretty popular at VMS sites at least one time, so there >> must be a fair > >> few systems out there using it. Were Cognos hanging out for >> an incentive? >> >> Regards Richard Maher >>< >> PS. Cognos are Canadian aren't they? Bloody Canadians :-) >> > H > Actually, last I heard Cognos was simply waiting for Oracle Server andG > Oracle Rdb to be released officially as that is the primary databases  > they reqire on OpenVMS.  > F > After all, they do require a database for their DB analysis software > to be of any use.  >  > :-)  > & > Check out their Customer roadmap at:J > http://powerhouse.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/downloads/Roadmap_Lette > r_October_2005.pdf >   L Thanks for that link.  The PDF has been forwarded to the apprpriate people. K However, I suspect the no PH/Itanic thing might have been simply a perfect  H ruse for the real task at hand, which now seems clearly to remove HP in " every aspect from the corporation.  - One dissatisfied customer = one less customer   
 Dr. Dweeb.  	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > 7 > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.     ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:02:48 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> # Subject: RE: Trolling for business? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70CA44@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Dr. Dweeb [mailto:NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com]=20   > Sent: November 4, 2005 5:08 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: Re: Trolling for business?  >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- = > >> From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com] # > >> Sent: October 30, 2005 6:40 PM  > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( > >> Subject: Re: Trolling for business? > >> > >> Hi, > >>@ > >>> Cognos gets the blame.  No Powerhouse on Itanium means get > >> off VMS fast.! > >>> Easiest decision ever made.  > >>@ > >> "NO POWERHOUSE ON ITANIUM"! How the hell did that happen? I > >> personally have@ > >> never liked powerhouse (Quick, Qdesign, QTP what is it with > >> the "Q") but it@ > >> was pretty popular at VMS sites at least one time, so there > >> must be a fair @ > >> few systems out there using it. Were Cognos hanging out for > >> an incentive? > >> > >> Regards Richard Maher > >>> > >> PS. Cognos are Canadian aren't they? Bloody Canadians :-) > >> > > B > > Actually, last I heard Cognos was simply waiting for Oracle=20 > Server andB > > Oracle Rdb to be released officially as that is the primary=20 > databases  > > they reqire on OpenVMS.  > > H > > After all, they do require a database for their DB analysis software > > to be of any use.  > >  > > :-)  > > ( > > Check out their Customer roadmap at: > >=20@ > http://powerhouse.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/downloads/Roa > dmap_Lette > > r_October_2005.pdf > >  >=20= > Thanks for that link.  The PDF has been forwarded to the=20  > apprpriate people.=20 > > However, I suspect the no PH/Itanic thing might have been=20 > simply a perfect=20 ? > ruse for the real task at hand, which now seems clearly to=20  > remove HP in=20 $ > every aspect from the corporation. >=201 > One dissatisfied customer =3D one less customer  >=20 > Dr. Dweeb.  G Well, I can certainly not comment on any companies politics, other than E to say I agree with you that there are some pretty unscrupulous folks D who like to really bend the facts (I am being polite) if it helps to" prop up their own personal agenda.  D Here is a few other links that you can forward the next time someoneH internal at this Customer site asks about the status of OpenVMS software on Itanium servers:   F http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/i64partner_A.html (click on each letter)   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:40:37 +01003 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? = Message-ID: <436bf175$0$78284$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- ; >> From: Dr. Dweeb [mailto:NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com] ! >> Sent: November 4, 2005 5:08 PM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com& >> Subject: Re: Trolling for business? >> >> Main, Kerry wrote:  >>>> -----Original Message----- = >>>> From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com] # >>>> Sent: October 30, 2005 6:40 PM  >>>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( >>>> Subject: Re: Trolling for business? >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>@ >>>>> Cognos gets the blame.  No Powerhouse on Itanium means get >>>> off VMS fast.! >>>>> Easiest decision ever made.  >>>>@ >>>> "NO POWERHOUSE ON ITANIUM"! How the hell did that happen? I >>>> personally have@ >>>> never liked powerhouse (Quick, Qdesign, QTP what is it with >>>> the "Q") but it@ >>>> was pretty popular at VMS sites at least one time, so there >>>> must be a fair @ >>>> few systems out there using it. Were Cognos hanging out for >>>> an incentive? >>>> >>>> Regards Richard Maher >>>>> >>>> PS. Cognos are Canadian aren't they? Bloody Canadians :-) >>>> >>> ? >>> Actually, last I heard Cognos was simply waiting for Oracle 
 >> Server and ? >>> Oracle Rdb to be released officially as that is the primary % >>> databases they reqire on OpenVMS.  >>> H >>> After all, they do require a database for their DB analysis software >>> to be of any use.  >>>  >>> :-)  >>> ( >>> Check out their Customer roadmap at: >>> A >> http://powerhouse.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/downloads/Roa 
 >> dmap_Lette  >>> r_October_2005.pdf >>>  >>; >> Thanks for that link.  The PDF has been forwarded to the  >> apprpriate people. < >> However, I suspect the no PH/Itanic thing might have been >> simply a perfect = >> ruse for the real task at hand, which now seems clearly to  >> remove HP in % >> every aspect from the corporation.  >>0 >> One dissatisfied customer = one less customer >>
 >> Dr. Dweeb.  > D > Well, I can certainly not comment on any companies politics, otherF > than to say I agree with you that there are some pretty unscrupulousC > folks who like to really bend the facts (I am being polite) if it - > helps to prop up their own personal agenda.  >   L Who needed to be unscrupulous when Cognos said basically flat out that they  were not going to port ??    Dweeb.  F > Here is a few other links that you can forward the next time someoneA > internal at this Customer site asks about the status of OpenVMS  > software on Itanium servers: > H > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/i64partner_A.html (click on > each letter) > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > 7 > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.     ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:30:52 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> # Subject: RE: Trolling for business? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70CA4B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Dr. Dweeb [mailto:NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com]=20   > Sent: November 4, 2005 6:41 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: Re: Trolling for business?  >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- = > >> From: Dr. Dweeb [mailto:NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com] # > >> Sent: November 4, 2005 5:08 PM  > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( > >> Subject: Re: Trolling for business? > >> > >> Main, Kerry wrote: ! > >>>> -----Original Message----- ? > >>>> From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com] % > >>>> Sent: October 30, 2005 6:40 PM   > >>>> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* > >>>> Subject: Re: Trolling for business? > >>>>
 > >>>> Hi, > >>>>B > >>>>> Cognos gets the blame.  No Powerhouse on Itanium means get > >>>> off VMS fast.# > >>>>> Easiest decision ever made.  > >>>>B > >>>> "NO POWERHOUSE ON ITANIUM"! How the hell did that happen? I > >>>> personally haveB > >>>> never liked powerhouse (Quick, Qdesign, QTP what is it with > >>>> the "Q") but itB > >>>> was pretty popular at VMS sites at least one time, so there > >>>> must be a fair B > >>>> few systems out there using it. Were Cognos hanging out for > >>>> an incentive? > >>>> > >>>> Regards Richard Maher > >>>>@ > >>>> PS. Cognos are Canadian aren't they? Bloody Canadians :-) > >>>> > >>> A > >>> Actually, last I heard Cognos was simply waiting for Oracle  > >> Server and A > >>> Oracle Rdb to be released officially as that is the primary ' > >>> databases they reqire on OpenVMS.  > >>> ; > >>> After all, they do require a database for their DB=20  > analysis software  > >>> to be of any use.  > >>> 	 > >>> :-)  > >>> * > >>> Check out their Customer roadmap at: > >>> C > >> http://powerhouse.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/downloads/Roa  > >> dmap_Lette  > >>> r_October_2005.pdf > >>>  > >>= > >> Thanks for that link.  The PDF has been forwarded to the  > >> apprpriate people. > > >> However, I suspect the no PH/Itanic thing might have been > >> simply a perfect ? > >> ruse for the real task at hand, which now seems clearly to  > >> remove HP in ' > >> every aspect from the corporation.  > >>4 > >> One dissatisfied customer =3D one less customer > >> > >> Dr. Dweeb.  > > F > > Well, I can certainly not comment on any companies politics, otherH > > than to say I agree with you that there are some pretty unscrupulousE > > folks who like to really bend the facts (I am being polite) if it / > > helps to prop up their own personal agenda.  > >  >=20B > Who needed to be unscrupulous when Cognos said basically flat=20 > out that they=20 > were not going to port ??  >=20 > Dweeb. >=20  A Was that initial response just a local Cognos person or was it an * official letter type response from Cognos?  G Obviously the corp Cognos position is different as stated in the letter  on their web site.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 23:54:34 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? 0 Message-ID: <11moeodqcc3jn66@corp.supernews.com>   Dr. Dweeb wrote:  N > Who needed to be unscrupulous when Cognos said basically flat out that they  > were not going to port ??   A If the customer is a Cognos user, then Cognos can count on their  D business whenever they move to a supported platform.  In this case, 8 there really isn't any reason for Cognos to do the port.  F If Cognos were to hear from customers, "It's between you and VMS, and G we're going to choose VMS", then you can be sure they would be looking  G at porting.  When Cognos hears from customers that they are looking to  ; get off VMS, then spending money on a port would be stupid.   F Doesn't this go back to what some were saying when Compaq was killing D Alpha?  It's not just the effort of re-compile, link, and you're in H business.  There are many other costs associated with losing Alpha, and F losing tool vendors such as Cognos is one of those costs.  By now I'm I sure that those costs have become many times the cost of continuing with   Alpha.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:56:28 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? , Message-ID: <436C4980.91CBC157@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:G > Doesn't this go back to what some were saying when Compaq was killing E > Alpha?  It's not just the effort of re-compile, link, and you're in I > business.  There are many other costs associated with losing Alpha, and G > losing tool vendors such as Cognos is one of those costs.  By now I'm J > sure that those costs have become many times the cost of continuing with > Alpha.    F The issue here is that the owner of VMS has no motivation to fight forB VMS when it expscts customers who drop VMS to migrate to Compaq/HP! servers running Windows or HP-UX.   H That is one reason why the Compaq guy in charge of the realtionship withB SWIFT didn't care much about SWIFT no longer developping its fundsF transfer applications on VMS since the owner of VMS was convinced theyE could convert ST400 customers on VMS to tne new SWIFT applications on 3 Windows (at the time of Compaq) and now also HP-UX.   G The migration happened when Solaris was king of Unix, so many customers  ended up going to Sun.    > It is up to VMS management to fight to get vendors to take VMSF seriously. It is up to HP to signal to the ISV community that it trulyC intends to grow VMS and make its platform viable. Without this, VMS L management doesn't have much credibility when it goes to people like Cognos.  G At this point in time, companies who have not committed to port to that G IA64 thing are probably waiting to see how HP will handle the migration ' to the 8086.  (or end of line for VMS).   F When you look at the small market for VMS, when you look at reluctanceD of VMS customers to pay big bucks to migrate to that IA64 thing, andH when you look at the media's handling of the lack of future of that IA64G thing, it is no susprise that ISVs don't see much of a potential return ? on investment for porting their VMS version to that IA64 thing.   G Porting involves a lot more than a recompile.   This isn't a reflection H on the VMS engineers. They have done their job well. The reality si thatD porting a commercial application is more than a recompile. And for aE customer, it is more than inserting a CD and running the installation / procedure for the IA64 version of the software.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:41:49 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ? Subject: Re: Were you an Interex member? Now you're being sold! 0 Message-ID: <11mnhserrtps47a@corp.supernews.com>   jbecker@ui.urban.org wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: > ...  > I >>If the data wasn't owned by Interex, then it isn't property that can be I >>sold to cover the debts of Interex.  I'd say that there are grounds for I >>violation of privacy laws.  Don't think they had my name.  If they did, 9 >>HP or Encompass gave it to them, without my permission.  >  > ...  > F > The Interex member database was an asset of the Interex corporation. > It's been acquired by HP: S > http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,105895,00.html  > G > A quote from the article: "By buying what are, in effect, the records C > of its own customers, HP saw its bid as something akin to a white F > knight. The purchase "was a clear demonstration of our commitment toH > protecting all our customers' personal information," said Don Gentile, > a spokesman for the company."  > 1 > This brings the data under HP's privacy policy.   : Before someone like Sun could get their hands on the list?  ' Good move, regardless of motive, by HP.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:06:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ? Subject: Re: Were you an Interex member? Now you're being sold! , Message-ID: <436BCD4B.C8E124E9@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:< > Before someone like Sun could get their hands on the list?    H Oh my ! I hadn't thought of that one.  Man, that would have been quite a coup for Sun.   E On the other hand, there may have been a backlash from former Interex D customers who would have refused Sun's marketing to them and reduced* Sun's chances of stealing those customers.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Nov 2005 15:28:59 -0800  From: jbecker@ui.urban.org? Subject: Re: Were you an Interex member? Now you're being sold! B Message-ID: <1131146939.662527.14920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Alex van Denzel wrote: > Stanley F. Quayle wrote:I > > Interex membership list for sale to highest bidder; The bankrupt user E > > group's member database is being sold to satisfy creditor demands  > = > Would the Interex Netherlands member list also be affected?  > J > The last "Pointer" (Dutch membership magazine) didn't mention *anything*2 > about bankruptcy or any other pending shutdowns. >  > -- > Alex.   G Only Interex U.S. went into Chapter 7 bankruptcy. I don't know anything D about Interex Netherlands, but I know that Interex EMEA still existsF (including folks from the Netherlands, btw). We on the Encompass boardE met with various Interex EMEA leaders at HPTF 2005, and overall we're E in regular dialogue on joint activities, through vehicles like the HP  Advocacy Steering Committee.  
 Jim Becker   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:16:05 -0500* From: "Dennis Couch" <dencouch@us.ibm.com>B Subject: Re: Will Digital's abandonned software ever go "public" ?) Message-ID: <436bcd75_1@news3.prserv.net>   L "S" <soterroatyahoodotcom> wrote in message news:436b514a$1@news1.ethz.ch... > Dennis Couch wrote: K > > Even this is no guarantee.  Remember that DEC was one of the "big guys" J > > before they went under... second largest computer company in the world toI > > IBM.  I can remember analysts saying years ago that nobody would ever L > > supplant Novell's NetWare as a network OS... where's NetWare now?  Lotus 123 J > > once had the spreadsheet market sewn up, as did Ashton-Tate with dBase for D > > the PC database market, and WordPerfect for word processing (and	 MultiMate  > > before that).  > > K > > Those other transitions were gradual enough that their proprietary file J > > formats weren't (and still aren't) really a problem, though.  My point isK > > that being big or having market share really doesn't guarantee anything  in > > the long term. > I > Having the product line abandoned and locked away is completely another = > thing. Your examples, do not qualify for what the OP meant.  > E > BTW, NetWare is still around. I would presume though it has an even  > smaller niche than VMS.  >  > S   J Yes, NetWare is still around (as are 123 and WordPerfect)... MY point was,L in replying to the OP, was that being "big" is no guarantee of *anything*...J not product longevity, not long-term support, nothing.  If a major companyG like DEC with major products like Alpha and VMS (not to mention all the L other layered products, peripherals, etc.) can end up where it is (and whereK it's former products are) today, why would anything be safe... Oracle, SAP, 	 whatever?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:33:02 +01003 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> 0 Subject: Re: Windows authentication via OpenVMS?= Message-ID: <436be19e$0$78286$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Ken Fairfield wrote: > Christoph Gartmann wrote: 	 >> Hello,  >>E >> what are the possibilities to use VMS usernames and passwords on a F >> Windows system (Win2K Pro or WinXP Pro)? I know there is Pathworks,G >> but it is a bit of an overkill for just a single PC. So what else is 
 >> available?  > B >    The other way 'round works: enable external authentication onD > the VMS system to let (selected) users authenticate to the Windows@ > PDC (terminology? is that really an LDAP server??) using theirB > Windows password (assuming their Windows username is the same asE > their VMS username, or that there is an entry in the Windows server ? > for their VMS username).  This uses some of the same setup as C > Advanced Server/Pathworks, basically to say where the PDC is, but , > it doesn't require any Pathworks licenses. > D >    It is also possible to configure a VMS system as a PDC (PrimaryD > Domain Controller) for Windows PC's.  I just don't know whether it4 > can also manage the user authentication problem... >  > -Ken  F There are products available to solve this problem.   www.geneous.com  springs immediately to mind.  
 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:30:03 GMT  From: maria@lllngcgv.funY Subject: www.vivepc.com Tu tienda de ordenadores discos duros impresoras memorias, Lo + b 5 Message-ID: <fxPaf.284608$o8.212393@twister.auna.com>    ---    Xatahovesah divedediwil tasiminaras lotaliri comesayese famititic legebem kewacasexe cocasipab vov gebic pimifupad galewehe pim .    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.617 ************************