1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Nov 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 626       Contents:7 Re: ??==TLZ10 = HP Compaq Storagworks DAT 12/24 GB DDS3 7 Re: ??==TLZ10 = HP Compaq Storagworks DAT 12/24 GB DDS3 7 Re: ??==TLZ10 = HP Compaq Storagworks DAT 12/24 GB DDS3 ! Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore? ! Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore? ! Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore? ! Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore? ! Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore? ! Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore? ! Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore? ! Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore? @ Re: compiling a C program on VMS developed on a non-VMS platform@ Re: compiling a C program on VMS developed on a non-VMS platform0 Re: error modifying OPA0: error message on login' Ethernet-RS232-Box for OpenVMS on Alpha + Re: Ethernet-RS232-Box for OpenVMS on Alpha 9 Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname 9 Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname 9 Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname C Re: Files in a Windows machine recorded on CD to be read on OpenVMS C Re: Files in a Windows machine recorded on CD to be read on OpenVMS C Re: Files in a Windows machine recorded on CD to be read on OpenVMS * FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support. Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support. Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support  Re: Multinet issue or mail issue* RE: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support* Re: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support* RE: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support- Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement  Re: VMS magtape handling Re: VMS magtape handling Re: VMS magtape handling$ Re: What FC card for VMS on Itanium?3 Re: ZFS from Sun, what's about a new FS for OpenVMS 3 Re: ZFS from Sun, what's about a new FS for OpenVMS  [AMDS] Can it look into V8.2 ?" Re: [AMDS] Can it look into V8.2 ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:59:45 +0100 , From: "H. M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>@ Subject: Re: ??==TLZ10 = HP Compaq Storagworks DAT 12/24 GB DDS37 Message-ID: <aus-C87B04.15594509112005@news.cis.dfn.de>   H I purchased what I thought was a TLZ10 in eBay.de - but a Compaq EOD003 I drive arrived today. The P/N provided in the product discription was for  B the TLZ10 but the numbers on the drive aren't the same as in eBay.  < Can I make this work with OVMS 8.2 or should I send it back?   My first attempt was a flop.  1 I have not done a autogen after adding the drive.   6 $show mkb600 shows that the drive is a Compaq SDT9000.  F $init mkb600 failed after a long wait with a parity error. The second H try with the SCSI Parity pin removed led to a "device is offline" error  after a long wait.  : What is the difference between a SDT9000 and the SDT9000s?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:04:52 +0100 , From: "H. M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>@ Subject: Re: ??==TLZ10 = HP Compaq Storagworks DAT 12/24 GB DDS37 Message-ID: <aus-16C0C2.16045209112005@news.cis.dfn.de>   I Mystery solved - today I picked up the second cd package at the computer   center.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:21:25 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>@ Subject: Re: ??==TLZ10 = HP Compaq Storagworks DAT 12/24 GB DDS3+ Message-ID: <3tem06Frpi9hU1@individual.net>    H. M. Aus wrote:J > I purchased what I thought was a TLZ10 in eBay.de - but a Compaq EOD003 K > drive arrived today. The P/N provided in the product discription was for  D > the TLZ10 but the numbers on the drive aren't the same as in eBay. > > > Can I make this work with OVMS 8.2 or should I send it back? >  > My first attempt was a flop. > 3 > I have not done a autogen after adding the drive.  > 8 > $show mkb600 shows that the drive is a Compaq SDT9000. > H > $init mkb600 failed after a long wait with a parity error. The second J > try with the SCSI Parity pin removed led to a "device is offline" error  > after a long wait.  C I have a vanilla Sony SDT9000, and don't see a Parity pin; I use a   normal SCSI terminator on it.   D Parity errors I have seen, but only as a result of using DDS2 tapes L which I suspected were well used. A cleaning tape has been the answer there.   > < > What is the difference between a SDT9000 and the SDT9000s?  @ Sorry, I don't know, but I'll try to dig out the manual tonight.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 10:36:14 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore?, Message-ID: <4371d11e$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <Hvbcf.16104$fu7.13181@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes:  >Jack Patteeuw wrote: D >> Not cheap, but I support hundreds of very satisfied user running L >> Hummingbird Exceed.  I have only recently view their 3D add on.  Amazing H >> watching wire frames and solids rotate on a remote X display server ! > I >   Cheaper, but you will have to scrounge the hardware: the EWS package  G >is available on an older Freeware version, and it turns various older  H >VAXstation systems into an X Windows terminal.  (EWS requires an older % >VAXstation with GPX graphics, IIRC.)   F Come on, Hoff. You can't be serious. EWS was X11 R2 for the VS3100 andK X11 R3 for the VS4030 (aka VLC). Who can use such an old version nowadays ? J And newer VS4000 were not supported (probably because of SPX only) at all.  L EWS was cool at its time, and so was VXT later, but died over an decade ago.M For the power hunger of such an old VAXstation you can buy a thin client now.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 07:26:52 -0800 ' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> * Subject: Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore?B Message-ID: <1131550012.943058.74150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   GreyCloud wrote: > tadamsmar wrote: > 6 > > I am having difficulty finding X-terminal vendors. > > F > > We use xfree on PCs for engineers, but we have some end-users thatI > > have been using Tektronics X-terminals that are starting to fail.  So  > > we need to replace them. > > E > > The log into xfree is a bit of a hassle.  You have to log into an = > > account to establish the connection and then log into the 7 > > X-terminal window.   I guess I can beat that with a < > > captive account to automate establishing the connection. > > : > > Is there a nifty way to establish a connection to a PC > > running xfree? > >  > [ > http://store.sun.com/CMTemplate/CEServlet?process=SunStore&cmdViewProduct_CP&catid=121968  > * > Is this what you are looking for?  $895.  D Looks like some of the HP thin clients would run around $500 or less depending to the monitor one buys.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 07:28:12 -0800 < From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>* Subject: Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore?C Message-ID: <1131550092.187874.229800@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ This reply is written from a refurbished T5515 I bought for $114* running Linux 2.4, Firefox, X, Acrobat,...6 http://h71016.www7.hp.com/html/hpremarketing/daily.asp  5 The built in Printer support sucks as does sound/mp3. C NFS sharing from my home lan worked fine as do USB storage options.   D The main reason I bought it was to get a nice (HP2035) screen at 1/27 price, but it turns out to be a useful gadget / X-term.   F Gotta agree with gl that the provided Linux is only so-so:  and I willE soon coble up my own boot image with more stuff in a smaller space. I E need local excel, word, (at least read only) mp3 support for it to be E useful to the family. For myself it is 95% of what I need day-to-day.    Cheers,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:42:52 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> * Subject: Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore?+ Message-ID: <dkt8uc$om1$1@naig.caltech.edu>    tadamsmar wrote:C > The log into xfree is a bit of a hassle.  You have to log into an ; > account to establish the connection and then log into the 5 > X-terminal window.   I guess I can beat that with a : > captive account to automate establishing the connection.  H You should be able to automate everything in the linux (or bsd) startup H scripts on the PC running Xfree (or Xorg) except for the part where the I users enter their passwords.  In fact, you should be able to do that AND  I put it all onto a CD, so that the user can run windows most of the time,  I and reboot, pop in the CD, and presto - they have an "X-terminal".  SLAX  H in particular is very easy to configure for this sort of thing since it E provides a mechanism for dropping files in "on top" of the Slackware   standard ones.   > 8 > Is there a nifty way to establish a connection to a PC > running xfree?  C Normally it's the other way around: something on the PC connects to G the X11 client (your VMS machine) and starts up a program that in turn  G goes to the PC's X11 server.  So in the login sequence (runs after X11  1 starts) you'd have a script doing something like:   5 ssh -X -l $USERNAME "DCL_send_decwindows_back_to_me".     E You could also configure X11 to let the remote VMS machine manage the G X11 server, so that a DECWINDOWS login screen would come up on it.  I'm : not sure though if that can be done through an SSH tunnel.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog @ caltech . edu   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 09:03:25 -0800 ' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> * Subject: Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore?B Message-ID: <1131555805.077177.66410@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Simon Clubley wrote:o > In article <1131467264.141454.225850@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> writes:  > > : > > Is there a nifty way to establish a connection to a PC > > running xfree? > >  > J > Execute "ssh -X" on the XFree86 box (if your VMS TCP stack supports it). >  > Simon. >  > --= > Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP 9 > Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    How do I use ssh -X?  B Is there a non-secure shell that would work if my VMS TCP does not support ssh?   This # is running on an isolated intranet.   C I know very little about these commands.  I just hacked an existing  script to get it to work.     Here is my current startup code:   REM Startup the X Server.   7 REM Tom Adams modified command to support remote access  REM start XWin XWin -ac  . REM Startup an xterm, using bash as the shell.@ run xterm -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg yellow -bg black -e
 /usr/bin/bash   # REM Startup the twm window manager.    run twm    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 09:49:47 -0800 ' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> * Subject: Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore?C Message-ID: <1131558587.197006.268730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   # I am running Xfree over windows 98.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 10:02:09 -0800 ' From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> * Subject: Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore?C Message-ID: <1131556797.004836.124620@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ' BTW,  I am running XFREE on Windows 98.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 12:17:55 -0600 B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)* Subject: Re: Are X-terminals sold anymore?3 Message-ID: <zo2dzG3C39Da@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <1131555805.077177.66410@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> writes: >  > How do I use ssh -X? >   ? I see from your later reply that you are using Win98 (and hence , presumably Cygwin as well). If this command:  3 	ssh -X -l VMS_username VMS_Host_Name_Or_IP_Address   H does not work from a xterm session on your PC, then you are probably outJ of luck. (I only use it Linux to Linux, and don't have any real experience of XFree86 on Win98).    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:47:00 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> I Subject: Re: compiling a C program on VMS developed on a non-VMS platform ( Message-ID: <opszzcsmkpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES  1 to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:   H > In article <opszxrn8x5zgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>	 > writes:  > K >> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:00:06 +0000 (UTC), Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES 4 >> to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote: >>J >> > I tried compiling a C program, which had been developed (not by me)   >> on a 2 >> > non-VMS platform, on VMS.  Here's what I get: >> >5 >> >         #include <getopt.h>     /* getoptlong */  >> >         .^ I >> > %CC-F-NOINCLFILEF, Cannot find file <getopt.h> specified in #include  >> > directive.  >> > >> > Is there a simple fix?  >> > >> >> getopt(3) >> getopt(3) >> >> NAME  >>: >>    getopt - Get option letters from the argument vector >> >> SYNOPSIS  >> >>    #include <unistd.h>  > 	 > Thanks.  > 2 >    17   /*#include <getopt.h>*/ /* getoptlong */ >    18   #include <unistd.h>  > ******2 >    17   #include <getopt.h>     /* getoptlong */ >    18   #include <unistd.h>  > G > This gets me around the problem mentioned above.  However, I then run  > into another one:  > G > %CC-F-NOINCLFILEF, Cannot find file <regex.h> specified in #include    > directive. > ' > Presumably, the code is non-standard.  > @ > Here are the includes.  Which should I replace, and with what? > & > #include <stddef.h>     /* sizeof */' > #include <stdio.h>      /* default */ ' > #include <stdlib.h>     /* default */ * > #include <sys/socket.h> /* sockstream */ > #include <sys/file.h> % > #include <sys/stat.h>   /* chmod */ + > #include <netinet/in.h> /* sockaddr_in */ - > #include <netdb.h>      /* gethostbyname */ ) > #include <arpa/inet.h>  /* inet_pton */ ' > #include <ctype.h>      /* isprint */ * > #include <getopt.h>     /* getoptlong */ > #include <unistd.h> & > #include <string.h>     /* strcpy */& > #include <signal.h>     /* signal */ > & > #include <time.h>       /* time_t */, > #include <unistd.h>     /* fork, unlink */) > #include <regex.h>      /* regexcomp */  >   E FWIW,  now MX supports regular expressions so likely there is a port,  maybe check with Hunter?     NAME  9    regcmp, regex - Compile and execute regular expression    SYNOPSIS      #include <libgen.h>      char *regcmp(            const char *string1,             ... /*,            (char *)0 */ );      char *regex(             const char *re,            const char *subject,             ... );    LIBRARY       Standard C Library (libc)  	 STANDARDS   E    Interfaces documented on this reference page conform to industry   	 standards     as follows:       regcmp(), regex():  XPG4-UNIX  H    Refer to the standards(5) reference page for more information about   indus-%    try standards and associated tags.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 08:18:26 -0800 $ From: "roger" <rogerntucker@msn.com>I Subject: Re: compiling a C program on VMS developed on a non-VMS platform B Message-ID: <1131553106.492923.81630@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  5 regex comes from gnu.org and compiles and works fine.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 03:39:16 -0800 # From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> 9 Subject: Re: error modifying OPA0: error message on login C Message-ID: <1131536356.557386.308410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   F If you're getting this respons on an Alpha, for OPA0: then you're veryA likely looking at a PC style monitor, with the PC style mouse and  keyboard as well. @ That is the side effect of a non supported graphics card (I know3 because my AS1000A does exactly the same thing :-). D You cannont SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE because the monitor either does notF know how to reply to that inquiry or does answer but the answer is notF understood by the terminal driver. Whatever happens, the end result is a terminal type set to UNKNOWN.   F If you want to edit files and you want / must use OPA0 then you've got several options:C (1) SET TERM/VT52 and use EDIT/EDT: some graphics cards allow that. A Personal experience: ELSA Gloria card on Digital Server 5305. Not A everything works in EDT but you'll learn to live with the limited  possibilities, or:  F (2) SET TERM/LA34 and use EDIT/EDT in line mode: enter commands on the	 * prompt. ? This always works but requires some knowledge about EDT and the ! contents of the file to navigate.    Hans   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 07:03:27 -0800 " From: "Me" <gospodin1950@yahoo.de>0 Subject: Ethernet-RS232-Box for OpenVMS on AlphaB Message-ID: <1131548607.795272.85050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  D I just found http://www.vscom.de/produkte/vs-netcom_811.html and I'mE curious if this was a solution to connect serial terminals to a Alpha ! box. Any idea if this would work?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:32:12 GMT  From: "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com>4 Subject: Re: Ethernet-RS232-Box for OpenVMS on Alpha= Message-ID: <woqcf.14456$tV6.1343@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>   . "Me" <gospodin1950@yahoo.de> wrote in message < news:1131548607.795272.85050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...E >I just found http://www.vscom.de/produkte/vs-netcom_811.html and I'm G > curious if this was a solution to connect serial terminals to a Alpha # > box. Any idea if this would work?  > L A cursory look reveals that it claims to be a terminal server.  If so, then  it is hardly a new concept.  Jim    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:50:51 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> B Subject: Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname1 Message-ID: <dks6an$c4d$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Hein,  L As usual, you're a bloody marvel! (You and all the other blokes can't retire for at least 10 years.)   K The one thing you were wrong about was the VAX default for MAXBUF which, at K least on my VAXstation4000-60, is 2064 instead of 2048. This means that the , o/head bytes are standard/consistent at 132.  K I hereby declare 132 as the architected VMS/TCP/IP limit for overhead bytes H for the gethostbyname/hostent call! (Either that or if it increases then! support can just say "Up MAXBUF")    Thanks once again.   Cheers Richard Maher  G "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> wrote in message = news:1131513897.132125.134740@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...  > SYSGEN Parameter MAXBUF.$ > Default for VAX =2048, Alpha 8192. > > > This one also pops up when TYPEing files with large records. >  > hth, > Hein,  >  > Richard Maher wrote: > > Hi Jeff, > > . > > "Jeff Cameron" <roktsci@comcast.net> wroteI > > > Copy the text file CQ.TXT from this link, and rename it to CQ .com.  > > J > > Thanks for the pointer. I had already stuck a quota_watcher program on the K > > process and didn't see anything obvious even when uppping the priority. H > > Maybe it's just too damn quick for me? Please see command file below thatI > > reproduces the problem. I tried running the code from an account with  veryI > > big quotas and another one with teeny-weeny quotas but it still bombs  out on > > the same values  > > E > > Alpha 7.2-2 ucx 5.1 hostent max bytes = 8060 (8192 - 132 o/head?) E > > VAX 6.2     ucx 4.1 hostent max bytes = 1932 (2048  -116 o/head?)  > > I > > One other option that came to mind was maybe it's not a process quota L > > problem at all, and has more to do with some other quota that the ACP is inJ > > charge of. So I had a look at the BG device for the call and looked at the K > > different SYSGEN parameters between the VAX and Alpha and couldn't spot  any  > > appealing candidates.  > > 	 > > So: -  > > L > > How can I determine at runtime what the maximum size for the hostent is?/ > > Is this configurable with TCP/IP or SYSGEN? ? > > (But the EXQUOTA status is from th $qio and not the IOSB so C > > have I just been to blind to see the simple UAF quota blowout?)  > >  > > Cheers Richard Maher > >  > > $ on warning then exit > > $ create get_host.cob  > > identification division. > > program-id.    get_host. > > environment division.  > > configuration section. > > special-names. > > 1 > >     class a_valid_nodename is   "A" thru "Z", 1 > >                                 "a" thru "z", 1 > >                                 "0" thru "9", 1 > >                                 ".", "-","_", 1 > >                                 "/", " ","$".  > >  > > data division. > > working-storage section.D > > 01  ucx$c_af_inet           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > ucx$c_af_inet.D > > 01  gethostbyname           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > gethostbyname.D > > 01  io$_acpcontrol          pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > io$_acpcontrol. D > > 01  ss$_endoffile           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > ss$_endoffile.D > > 01  ss$_badparam            pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > ss$_badparam. D > > 01  ss$_normal              pic 9(9)    comp    value   external ss$_normal. 1 > > 01  sys_status              pic 9(9)    comp.  > > * 
 > > 01  iosb. 1 > >     03  cond_val            pic 9(4)    comp. ) > >     03                      pic x(6).  > > * 1 > > 01  inet_chan               pic 9(4)    comp. @ > > 01  eof                     pic x               value   "N".* > > 01  in_name                 pic x(50).1 > > 01  in_len                  pic 9(4)    comp. 1 > > 01  out_len                 pic 9(4)    comp.  > > 01  out_string. 1 > >     03  host_name           pic 9(9)    comp. 1 > >     03  host_aliases        pic 9(9)    comp. 1 > >     03  host_addrtype       pic 9(9)    comp. 1 > >     03  host_addrlen        pic 9(9)    comp. 1 > >     03  host_addresses      pic 9(9)    comp. - > > *    03                      pic x(1913). , > >     03                      pic x(8040).1 > > 01  item_start              pic 9(9)    comp. 1 > > 01  item_len                pic 9(9)    comp.  > > 01  offset_string.& > >     03  ra_1                pic x.& > >     03  ra_2                pic x.& > >     03  ra_3                pic x.& > >     03  ra_4                pic x.5 > > 01  item_offset                         redefines 1 > >     offset_string           pic 9(9)    comp. * > > 01  rem_addr                pic x(32).1 > > 01  rem_addr_len            pic 9(4)    comp.  > > *  > > procedure division.  > > kick_off section.  > > 00.  > >     call "sys$assign" * > >         using   by descriptor   "_bg:"- > >                 by reference    inet_chan + > >                 by value        0, 0, 0  > >         giving  sys_status. E > >     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  > > sys_status.  > > B > >     display "Enter Nodename: " line 1 column 1 erase screen no
 advancing.F > >     accept in_name reversed bold protected at end move "Y" to eof. > > * > >     perform dump_host until eof = "Y". > > * 	 > > fini. E > >     call "sys$dassgn" using by value inet_chan giving sys_status. E > >     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  > > sys_status.  > >  > >     stop run.  > > *  > > dump_host section. > > 00. ' > >     if in_name = spaces go to fini.  > > * > >     if in_name is not a_valid_nodename2 > >         display "Illegal character(s) entered" > >         go to fini.  > >  > >     call "str$trim" 4 > >         using   by descriptor   in_name, in_name* > >                 by reference    in_len > >         giving  sys_status. E > >     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  > > sys_status.  > >  > >     call "sys$qiow" @ > >         using   by value        0, inet_chan, io$_acpcontrol( > >                 by reference    iosb' > >                 by value        0,0 D > >                 by descriptor   gethostbyname, in_name(1:in_len)+ > >                 by reference    out_len . > >                 by descriptor   out_string' > >                 by value        0,0  > >         giving  sys_status.  > > ? > >     if sys_status = ss$_normal move cond_val to sys_status.  > >     evaluate    sys_status: > >         when    ss$_normal      perform format_displayA > >         when    ss$_badparam    display "Increase the size of  Out_String" : > >         when    ss$_endoffile   display "Unknown Node"B > >         when    other           call "lib$stop" using by value
 sys_status > >     end-evaluate.  > > * 	 > > fini. 0 > >     display "Enter Nodename: " no advancing.F > >     accept in_name reversed bold protected at end move "Y" to eof. > > *  > > format_display section.  > > 00. . > >     if (host_addrtype not = ucx$c_af_inet). > >     or (host_addrlen  not = 4            ). > >         display "Unknown address type/len"+ > >         display "Can't handle af_inet6"  > >         go to fini.  > > *+ > > * Get official host name > > *-  > >     if host_name not = zeros. > >         add 1, host_name giving item_start" > >         move zeros to item_len@ > >         inspect out_string(item_start:(out_len - host_name))I > >             tallying item_len for characters before initial low-value K > >         display 'Host Name is "', out_string(item_start:item_len), '"'.  > > *+ > > * Dump aliases > > *-# > >     if host_aliases not = zeros 1 > >         add 1, host_aliases giving item_start / > >         perform until item_start >= out_len > > >             move out_string(item_start:4) to offset_string& > >             if item_offset = zeros. > >                 move out_len to item_start > >             else* > >                 move zeros to item_lenC > >                 inspect out_string((item_offset + 1):(out_len -  > > item_offset)) G > >                     tallying item_len for characters before initial 
 > > low-value C > >                 display 'Alias is "', out_string((item_offset +  > > 1):item_len), '"' ' > >                 add 4 to item_start  > >             end-if > >         end-perform. > > *+ > > * Dump Addresses > > *-% > >     if host_addresses not = zeros D > >         move out_string((host_addresses + 1):4) to offset_string0 > >         add 1, item_offset giving item_start6 > >         perform until item_start >= host_addresses> > >             move out_string(item_start:4) to offset_string* > >             if item_offset not = zeros" > >                 call "sys$fao"E > >                     using       by descriptor   "Trying address:-  > > !@UB.!@UB.!@UB.!@UB"@ > >                                 by reference    rem_addr_len< > >                                 by descriptor   rem_addrJ > >                                 by reference    ra_1, ra_2, ra_3, ra_4. > >                     giving      sys_status2 > >                 if sys_status not = ss$_normalA > >                     call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status  > >                 end-if4 > >                 display rem_addr(1:rem_addr_len) > >             end-if# > >             add 4 to item_start  > >         end-perform. > > * 	 > > fini.  > > *  > > end program get_host.  > > $! > > $ cob/lis get_host > > $! > > $ create get_host_def.mar  > >  > >         .title get_host_def  > >  > >         .library /inet/  > > " > >         $inetsymdef     GLOBAL > >         $inetacpfsymdef  > >         $inetacpsymdef > > @ > >         gethostbyname == <inetacp$c_hostent_offset * 256 + -; > >                           inetacp_func$c_gethostbyname>  > >  > >         .end > >  > > $! > > $ mac/lis get_host_def! > > $ link get_host, get_host_def  > > $!
 > > $ exit > > 9 > > "Jeff Cameron" <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote in message . > > news:BF95E94D.17869%roktsci@comcast.net...I > > > Copy the text file CQ.TXT from this link, and rename it to CQ .com.  > > > : > > > http://support.mti.com/VMS2005cd/supportfiles/cq.txt > > > K > > > You can run it in another terminal session and give it the PID of the K > > > process that runs out of a quota value, and it will monitor the quota 
 > > values0 > > > and tell you which one is being exhausted. > > >  > > > Jeff Cameron > > > I > > > On 11/8/05 5:13 AM, in article dkq8bt$hs4$1@news-02.connect.com.au,  > > "Richard1 > > > Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> wrote:  > > >  > > > > Hi,  > > > > H > > > > Could someone please tell me which quota is being used up by the
 > > following  > > > > gethostbyname call?  > > > > K > > > > If the size of the hostent structure is too big it just falls over.  > > > >  > > > > Regards Richard Maher  > > > > = > > > >    gethostbyname == <inetacp$c_hostent_offset * 256 + % > > > > inetacp_func$c_gethostbyname>  > > > >   > > > > identification division.  > > > > program-id.    get_host. > > > > environment division.  > > > > configuration section. > > > > special-names. > > > > 5 > > > >     class a_valid_nodename is   "A" thru "Z", 5 > > > >                                 "a" thru "z", 5 > > > >                                 "0" thru "9", 5 > > > >                                 ".", "-","_", 5 > > > >                                 "/", " ","$".  > > > >  > > > > data division.  > > > > working-storage section.H > > > > 01  ucx$c_af_inet           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > > > ucx$c_af_inet.H > > > > 01  gethostbyname           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > > > gethostbyname.H > > > > 01  io$_acpcontrol          pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > > > io$_acpcontrol. H > > > > 01  ss$_endoffile           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > > > ss$_endoffile.H > > > > 01  ss$_badparam            pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > > > ss$_badparam. H > > > > 01  ss$_normal              pic 9(9)    comp    value   external > > ss$_normal. 5 > > > > 01  sys_status              pic 9(9)    comp. 	 > > > > *  > > > > 01  iosb. 5 > > > >     03  cond_val            pic 9(4)    comp. - > > > >     03                      pic x(6). 	 > > > > * 5 > > > > 01  inet_chan               pic 9(4)    comp. D > > > > 01  eof                     pic x               value   "N".. > > > > 01  in_name                 pic x(50).5 > > > > 01  in_len                  pic 9(4)    comp. 5 > > > > 01  out_len                 pic 9(4)    comp.  > > > > 01  out_string. 5 > > > >     03  host_name           pic 9(9)    comp. 5 > > > >     03  host_aliases        pic 9(9)    comp. 5 > > > >     03  host_addrtype       pic 9(9)    comp. 5 > > > >     03  host_addrlen        pic 9(9)    comp. 5 > > > >     03  host_addresses      pic 9(9)    comp. 1 > > > > *    03                      pic x(1004). 0 > > > >     03                      pic x(1912).5 > > > > 01  item_start              pic 9(9)    comp. 5 > > > > 01  item_len                pic 9(9)    comp.  > > > > 01  offset_string.* > > > >     03  ra_1                pic x.* > > > >     03  ra_2                pic x.* > > > >     03  ra_3                pic x.* > > > >     03  ra_4                pic x.9 > > > > 01  item_offset                         redefines 5 > > > >     offset_string           pic 9(9)    comp. . > > > > 01  rem_addr                pic x(32).5 > > > > 01  rem_addr_len            pic 9(4)    comp. 	 > > > > *  > > > > procedure division.  > > > > kick_off section.  > > > > 00.  > > > >     call "sys$assign" . > > > >         using   by descriptor   "_bg:"1 > > > >                 by reference    inet_chan / > > > >                 by value        0, 0, 0 # > > > >         giving  sys_status. I > > > >     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  > > > > sys_status.  > > > > F > > > >     display "Enter Nodename: " line 1 column 1 erase screen no > > advancing.J > > > >     accept in_name reversed bold protected at end move "Y" to eof. > > > > . > > > >     perform dump_host until eof = "Y".	 > > > > * 
 > > > > fini. I > > > >     call "sys$dassgn" using by value inet_chan giving sys_status. I > > > >     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  > > > > sys_status.  > > > >  > > > >     stop run. 	 > > > > *  > > > > dump_host section. > > > > 00. + > > > >     if in_name = spaces go to fini.  > > > > . > > > >     if in_name is not a_valid_nodename6 > > > >         display "Illegal character(s) entered" > > > >         go to fini.  > > > >  > > > >     call "str$trim" 8 > > > >         using   by descriptor   in_name, in_name. > > > >                 by reference    in_len# > > > >         giving  sys_status. I > > > >     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  > > > > sys_status.  > > > >  > > > >     call "sys$qiow" D > > > >         using   by value        0, inet_chan, io$_acpcontrol, > > > >                 by reference    iosb+ > > > >                 by value        0,0 H > > > >                 by descriptor   gethostbyname, in_name(1:in_len)/ > > > >                 by reference    out_len 2 > > > >                 by descriptor   out_string+ > > > >                 by value        0,0 # > > > >         giving  sys_status.  > > > > C > > > >     if sys_status = ss$_normal move cond_val to sys_status. " > > > >     evaluate    sys_status> > > > >         when    ss$_normal      perform format_displayE > > > >         when    ss$_badparam    display "Increase the size of  > > Out_String" > > > > >         when    ss$_endoffile   display "Unknown Node"F > > > >         when    other           call "lib$stop" using by value > > sys_status > > > >     end-evaluate. 	 > > > > * 
 > > > > fini. 4 > > > >     display "Enter Nodename: " no advancing.J > > > >     accept in_name reversed bold protected at end move "Y" to eof.	 > > > > *  > > > > format_display section.  > > > > 00. 2 > > > >     if (host_addrtype not = ucx$c_af_inet)2 > > > >     or (host_addrlen  not = 4            )2 > > > >         display "Unknown address type/len"/ > > > >         display "Can't handle af_inet6"  > > > >         go to fini. 
 > > > > *+  > > > > * Get official host name
 > > > > *-$ > > > >     if host_name not = zeros2 > > > >         add 1, host_name giving item_start& > > > >         move zeros to item_lenD > > > >         inspect out_string(item_start:(out_len - host_name))C > > > >             tallying item_len for characters before initial 	 low-value J > > > >         display 'Host Name is "', out_string(item_start:item_len), '"'.
 > > > > *+ > > > > * Dump aliases
 > > > > *-' > > > >     if host_aliases not = zeros 5 > > > >         add 1, host_aliases giving item_start 3 > > > >         perform until item_start >= out_len B > > > >             move out_string(item_start:4) to offset_string* > > > >             if item_offset = zeros2 > > > >                 move out_len to item_start > > > >             else. > > > >                 move zeros to item_lenG > > > >                 inspect out_string((item_offset + 1):(out_len -  > > > > item_offset)) K > > > >                     tallying item_len for characters before initial  > > > > low-value G > > > >                 display 'Alias is "', out_string((item_offset +  > > > > 1):item_len), '"' + > > > >                 add 4 to item_start  > > > >             end-if > > > >         end-perform.
 > > > > *+ > > > > * Dump Addresses
 > > > > *-) > > > >     if host_addresses not = zeros H > > > >         move out_string((host_addresses + 1):4) to offset_string4 > > > >         add 1, item_offset giving item_start: > > > >         perform until item_start >= host_addressesB > > > >             move out_string(item_start:4) to offset_string. > > > >             if item_offset not = zeros& > > > >                 call "sys$fao"I > > > >                     using       by descriptor   "Trying address:-  > > > > !@UB.!@UB.!@UB.!@UB"D > > > >                                 by reference    rem_addr_len@ > > > >                                 by descriptor   rem_addrI > > > >                                 by reference    ra_1, ra_2, ra_3,  ra_42 > > > >                     giving      sys_status6 > > > >                 if sys_status not = ss$_normalE > > > >                     call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status  > > > >                 end-if8 > > > >                 display rem_addr(1:rem_addr_len) > > > >             end-if' > > > >             add 4 to item_start  > > > >         end-perform.	 > > > > * 
 > > > > fini. 	 > > > > *  > > > > end program get_host.  > > > >  > > > >  > > >  > > >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 06:13:11 -0800 < From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>B Subject: Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbynameC Message-ID: <1131545591.452631.247670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   C >> You and all the other blokes can't retire for at least 10 years.   D Ah, now he tells me. Too late! I accepted a retirement offer a month ago.  C The good news is that I am now available for your projects as: HvdH  Performance ConsultingD Performance, Databases, Storage, Oracle, MySQL, RMS, OpenVMS, Linux, Cobol, Basic, C, Perl, DCL,...   Will travel for (good) food!   Cheers,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 07:36:54 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> B Subject: Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname( Message-ID: <opszzcbsxpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  7 On 9 Nov 2005 06:13:11 -0800, Hein RMS van den Heuvel   # <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> wrote:   E > The good news is that I am now available for your projects as: HvdH  > Performance ConsultingF > Performance, Databases, Storage, Oracle, MySQL, RMS, OpenVMS, Linux,  > Cobol, Basic, C, Perl, DCL,...   What?  No PL/I?    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 04:58:23 -0800 ( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>L Subject: Re: Files in a Windows machine recorded on CD to be read on OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1131541103.119584.278040@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ Now I am confused because, I got to read an html file but when IG VMSINSTALLL the save set it says the files are not a save set format (I C am trying to do exactly what the readme file says)?! I am trying to G install the Oracle RDB which I downloaded off the Official Oracle site.   E  So what I do. I copy a CD with the files from the unpacked .zip file   (rdbv7073kit_as.zip) using Nero.
  Any clue? William Webb wroteG > On 8 Nov 2005 04:16:12 -0800, pbritto <britto.paulo@gmail.com> wrote: F > > I don't have internet access over my OpenVMS Station and I need toJ > > install this Oracle RBD installation package which I downloaded into a > > Windows Machine.J > > Is it true that if I record it in CD I can read on the OpenVMS install > > it on the OpenVMS? > ) > Unless it's a disk image, probably not.  > / > Is there a way to copy it from the Windows to 
 > > OopenVMS?  > >  > >  >  > FTP, perhaps?  >  > WWWebb >  > --E > NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  > correspondence. E > All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for : > services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at% > http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 14:18:06 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)L Subject: Re: Files in a Windows machine recorded on CD to be read on OpenVMS, Message-ID: <4372051e$1@news.langstoeger.at>  n In article <1131541103.119584.278040@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes:A >Now I am confused because, I got to read an html file but when I H >VMSINSTALLL the save set it says the files are not a save set format (ID >am trying to do exactly what the readme file says)?! I am trying toH >install the Oracle RDB which I downloaded off the Official Oracle site. > F > So what I do. I copy a CD with the files from the unpacked .zip file! >(rdbv7073kit_as.zip) using Nero.  > Any clue?   D Unpack the .ZIP on VMS to preserve the RMS file attributes which areF required on VMS. Unpacking on PC (or U**X) looses them (if not packingG already lost them ;-) and you have to reconstruct them manually - which I is done with $ SET FILE/ATTR=(LRL=32256,RAT=NONE,RFM=FIX) for most backup F savesets - and this is not a simple task (it is not really complicated but a waste of time)  / You can find UNZIP at eg. the VMS freeware site I http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/freeware70/000tools/alpha_images/   - In the meantime, try to fix the install kits:   1 	$ SET FILE/ATTR=(LRL=32256,RAT=NONE,RFM=FIX) *.%  	$ BACK/LIS *.%/SAV   + and if if works then repeat VMSINSTALlation    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 07:57:12 -0600 (CST)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)L Subject: Re: Files in a Windows machine recorded on CD to be read on OpenVMS2 Message-ID: <05110907571274_202AAB19@antinode.org>  6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  1 > You can find UNZIP at eg. the VMS freeware site K > http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/freeware70/000tools/alpha_images/   D    Or, you could get the current/faster/better version 5.52 from the primary source.  For example:          http://www.info-zip.org/(       http://www.info-zip.org/UnZip.html-       ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/VMS/   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:27:21 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> 3 Subject: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support : Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDEEDMHAAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Alan Greig [mailto:GreigAln@netscape.net] - > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:13 AM  > To: dallen@nist.gov 5 > Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support  >  >  >  >  > dallen@nist.gov wrote: >  > > N > >They apparently don't "see" well. My guess is it's more an effort to coerceD > >sales of the Team edition.  ISTR reading more in that thread that > said the crossG > >compiler was included with the IA64 Platform SDK. The platform SDK's  > used to be > >free. > >  > > C > Now that it's public that a 32-way SMP X64 Windows box (IBM X460) J > outperforms a 32-way Windows Itanic (according to IBM benchmark), why onF > earth would Microsoft be interested in encouraging any more movement > towards Itanic?   M I don't believe I said or suggested it was intented to encourage movement one O way or the other. Just that anyone that needed or wanted an IA64 cross compiler M for any reason had to buy a more expensive verison of VS. Just like I have to N pay my cable TV provider an extra $20/mo for "tier two" programming to get the@ one and only channel (ESPN) offered in tier 2 that I care about.  L I seriously doubt the requirement to purchase Team edition over ProfessionalO edition is going to be a factor in anyone's decision to move to or eschew IA64.    Dan    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:49:43 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>7 Subject: Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support ; Message-ID: <rUocf.3038$Xz1.2700@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Dan Allen wrote:   Dan,  I I've just noticed you followed up on a private email of mine to you (not  H copied to the net) back to c.o.v./info-vax as well as to me. That's not E very good form but I guess it was a mistake. At least you cut my bit  B about the closed door Intel decision as I don't want to post that 9 speculation publicly in quite such a blunt form just yet.  --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:51:40 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>7 Subject: Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support 9 Message-ID: <gWocf.3039$Xz1.15@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Alan Greig wrote:    >  >  > Dan Allen wrote: >  > Dan, > K > I've just noticed you followed up on a private email of mine to you (not  J > copied to the net) back to c.o.v./info-vax as well as to me. That's not G > very good form but I guess it was a mistake. At least you cut my bit  D > about the closed door Intel decision as I don't want to post that ; > speculation publicly in quite such a blunt form just yet.   . And now I've done it as well. Speculate on :-) --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:36:03 -0500 ' From: Rich Whalen <whalenr@process.com> ) Subject: Re: Multinet issue or mail issue 8 Message-ID: <5kn3n1dufdgf9lbfqor8919dtimso3i2h8@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:53:51 +0800, "Fred Jiang" <r54123@motorola.com>  wrote:   >Bob,  >No errors message returned.I >I insert command "$show queue smtp*/full/all" after each commands "mail" H >I found I can only see one entry number even the two mail commands run.M >If I insert "$wait 00:00:05.0" between the two "mail" commands, then two job 
 >can be seen.  >  >Fred. >  >  >   C Since this experiment caused the desire result (two mail messages), < then yes, the patch that I mentioned will solve the problem.  F A similar problem was reported by another customer when trying to sendB messages frequently.  The SMTP protocol requires that all messagesE have a unique id, and prior to this patch it was possible to have two D messages get the same id.  This patch uses more bits of the VMS time and avoids the problem.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:22:24 -0500# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> 3 Subject: RE: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support : Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDEEDJHAAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Alan Greig [mailto:greigaln@netscape.net] * > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:55 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 > Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support  >  >  >  > d...@ns2.pebble.org wrote:P > > In article <Wx5cf.2619$Xz1.282@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig wrote: > > >  > > > I > > >> Apparently now only the VS 2005 "enterprise" version ($$$$) can be ! > > >> installed on Itanium.  :-(  > > , > > Yes, my mistake.  It's the team version. > > I > > http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=123145&SiteID=1  > D > My reading of that is that refers to the (cross) compiler now onlyG > being included with Team edition for X86. Not that Visual Studio 2005 G > is available in Team Edition for Itanium. Reading the comments in the  > thread it seems even worse.  > For example: > G > "I'm a shareware author, and being able to build 64bits version of my A > products (for x64 AND for IA64) was a really interesting thing. A > What's the point of Itanium if noone can build product for this 
 > platform ?"  > I > So integrated Itanium cross-compile Visual Studio support seems to have G > been removed from all but the most expensive version of Visual Studio  > X86. >  > And Microsoft's response:  > F > "This was a difficult decision but our aim was to align our productsH > with the Windows products. Within Microsoft (and elsewhere) Itanium isH > really seen as an "Enterprise" level product: for example the StandardI > release of Windows Sever 2003 does not support Itanium. We also did not F > see any real customer demand for a professional level release of ourB > Itanium compiler: at the professional level the vast majority ofF > developers who are targetting 64-bit are targetting the x64 platform > instead of Itanium.  >   K They apparently don't "see" well. My guess is it's more an effort to coerce P sales of the Team edition.  ISTR reading more in that thread that said the crossO compiler was included with the IA64 Platform SDK. The platform SDK's used to be  free.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:48:01 -0500 3 From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> 3 Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support 8 Message-ID: <lk24n1trt9jjdi4umblh0pokq18mp4fvvc@4ax.com>  K On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:31:54 GMT, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote:   J >My apologies. But it seems that not even that is supported any more with F >   VS 2005 unless you can correct me. Back in April, Microsoft said: F >"Later this year, we'll expand Itanium support to Visual Studio 2005"I >http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2005/apr05/04-11Itanium.mspx  > $ >What happened between then and now?  M I really don't know.  Microsoft has been schizophrenic regarding Itanium, and M as a result Windows on Itanium was never very popular. For a while, they were N saying that the "Enterprise Architect" version of VS2005 would support ItaniumM natively but they seem to have backed away from that.  It's curious that they N are making yet another push into HPC with their "Cluster Computing Edition" ofK Windows Server, but turning their back on the architecture that has shown a M lot of success in that market.  That's ok - Linux on Itanium is there and the - customers I've spoken with are happy with it.   M You are correct that VS2005 will refuse to install on Itanium, even in 32-bit  mode.   1 >PS: Steve, How's the Bliss X86-64 port going :-)   $ Haven't the foggiest.  Is there one?   Steve Lionel Software Products Division Intel Corporation 
 Nashua, NH  8 User communities for Intel Software Development Products"   http://softwareforums.intel.com/ Intel Fortran Support 7   http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:16:48 GMT ( From: "P. Thompson" <no-spam@new.rr.com>3 Subject: RE: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511091110380.17047@localhost.localdomain>   K On a semirelated off topic note: Cisco is dropping its Itanium support for   their linux VPN client.   % vpnclient-linux-4.7.00.0640-k9.tar.gz   G "This is expected to be the last release of the non-x86 version of the   Linux VPN Client."   --- 6 Lord, protect me from those to whom you speak directly1 All salute the new age, and I hope nobody escapes    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:05:03 +0100 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> 6 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement+ Message-ID: <3tdq3kFrk306U1@individual.net>   . On 2005-11-09 04:51, "David J Dachtera" wrote:   > Antoniov wrote:  >>  H >> The /IGNORE=INTERLOCK qualifier may be very dangeorus because you canJ >> save a file while somebody is writing in it. After restore you couldn't >> read data from file! E >> I agree this is dangerous so in my mind VMS should make a snapshot  >> before backup!  > I > Well, I trust you understand the ramifications of doing so: a huge file J > could take hours to write to tape, and where does VMS store the "deltas"* > while the "original" file is being read? >  > [...]   H Isn't that (very) similar to what is accomplished with "mini-merge" when2 a (previous) shadow-set member is "re-integrated"?   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 05:10:48 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: VMS magtape handling 0 Message-ID: <BF973558.17944%roktsci@comcast.net>  F On 11/8/05 7:41 AM, in article dkqfi8$i9u$1@info.service.rug.nl, "Fred  Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote:   > 7 > "Jeff Cameron" <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote in message , > news:BF95E849.17867%roktsci@comcast.net...J >> On 11/8/05 12:15 AM, in article dkpldj$af1$1@info.service.rug.nl, "Fred# >> Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote:  >>  9 >>> "Michael Kraemer" <m.kraemer@gsi.de> wrote in message 3 >>> news:dknf9j$ep0$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de... 7 >>>> In article <1131328642.114379@smirk>, Alan Frisbie . >>>> <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:@ >>>>> Not always true!   If you have an ANSI-formatted mag tape,C >>>>> and one of the files is empty (has no records), you will have 6 >>>>> two tape marks with no intervening data records. >>>>   >>>> How can that occur ? K >>>> On an ANSI label tape even an (data-wise) empty file still should have F >>>> its header records with e.g. its name. Only the user data portion >>>> is empty.  L >>>> So two consecutive EOFs make up an EOT, there's no way around it, IMHO.< >>>> Of course tape salvaging tools might try to skip beyondD >>>> erroneously placed EOTs to see if there's data to be recovered. >>>>   >>> $ >>> A file on tape looks as follows: >>>  >>> Header data 
 >>> Tape mark 
 >>> User data 
 >>> Tape mark  >>> Trailer data
 >>> Tape mark  >>> P >>> So, if the user data portion is empty, there are two consecutive tape marks,) >>> but they are not the end of the tape.  >>> (EOFs in your terminology.)  >>>  >>> F.Z.4 >> More Specifically the ANSI tape specification is: >>   >> Volume Header4 >> Tape Mark                            <---F.Z. (1) >> File Header >> Tape Mark >> File Data >> Tape Mark2 >> File Header                        <---F.Z. (2) >> Tape Mark >> File Data >> Tape Mark >>  L >> And for each logical ANSI file on the tape consists of the File Header, aL >> tape mark, the file data, and a tape mark, with a double tape mark at the >> end.  >>  O >> Yes you can have a double tape mark imbedded that is not the physical end of G >> volume. In this case it is always after the file header, which, when M >> properly read tells you that the upcoming file data has no records. So you , >> know it is not the logical end of volume. >>  M >> A double mark following the file data portion always is the logical end of # >> volume.             <---F.Z. (3)  >>  M >> This is, of course, only when you have the tape volume mounted foreign. If O >> you have the volume mounted without the /FORIGN qualifier, you don't have to M >> worry about this as it is handled by the VMS ANSI Tape ACP, and the volume 1 >> looks like a sequential file oriented storage.  >>   >> Jeff  > N > (1) There is no tape mark between the Volume header (VOL) and the first File > header (HDR). P > (2) Between the file data of the first file and the header of the second file,N > there is a portion with a file trailer for the first file (the EOF section),/ > containing, amongst others, size information. J > This trailer section is also separated from the other sections with tape > marks.L > (3) No. A double tape mark following the data section is illegal, a doubleB > tape mark following the EOF section marks the end of the volume. > @ > For the rest your are right, but did not mention these details< > because I thought they were not relevant for the question. >  >  > F.Z.E Thanks, you are correct on Items one and two, but number 3 is easy to  demonstrate.  7 Create some files in VMS (make one a zero length file). $ Initialize and mount an ANSI volume.J Copy the files you created from the VMS directory to the tape, just do not1 make the zero length file the last file you copy.   J You can then mount the tape with /FOREIGN and see the embedded double file' mark before the end of the ANSI volume.    Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 05:12:29 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: VMS magtape handling 0 Message-ID: <BF9735BD.17945%roktsci@comcast.net>  K On 11/8/05 11:53 AM, in article ONGqbRC33o11@eisner.encompasserve.org, "Bob 9 Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:   ? > In article <BF95E849.17867%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron  > <roktsci@comcast.net> writes: 4 >> More Specifically the ANSI tape specification is: >>   >> Volume Header >> Tape Mark >> File Header >> Tape Mark >> File Data >> Tape Mark >> File Header >> Tape Mark >> File Data >> Tape Mark >>  H >    I've never seen a tape mark between the volume header and the first >    file header.  > K Yes, forgive me. I was to over zealous pasting in the "File Mark" line when  I was composing the email.   Jeff   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 07:51:49 -0600  From: briggs@encompasserve.org! Subject: Re: VMS magtape handling 3 Message-ID: <RBAfXkZvCLzd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <BF973558.17944%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> writes: H > On 11/8/05 7:41 AM, in article dkqfi8$i9u$1@info.service.rug.nl, "Fred" > Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote: [snip]M >> (3) No. A double tape mark following the data section is illegal, a double C >> tape mark following the EOF section marks the end of the volume.  [...] 9 > Create some files in VMS (make one a zero length file). & > Initialize and mount an ANSI volume.L > Copy the files you created from the VMS directory to the tape, just do not3 > make the zero length file the last file you copy.  > L > You can then mount the tape with /FOREIGN and see the embedded double file) > mark before the end of the ANSI volume.   J It's pretty clear to me that Fred is talking about a tape mark immediately7 following the tape mark that terminates a data section.    e.g.   HDR1 HDR2	 tape mark  <File data, possibly empty> 	 tape mark 4 tape mark	! There should have been EOF or EOV labels   That's illegal, of course.  " And you appear to be talking about   HDR1 HDR2	 tape mark , tape mark	!delimiting the empty data section EOF1	 tape mark  ...    That's legal, of course.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:11:04 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) - Subject: Re: What FC card for VMS on Itanium? L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0911050611160001@user-uinj49g.dialup.mindspring.com>  F In article <9LZDZN3QbfZu@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) wrote:  5 >  I'm playing around with VMS E8.2 on an RX2600 (yes 9 >I know it's long expired - I'm working on getting a more 1 >up-to-date version - see my post earlier today).  > 2 >  I notice that this version works with an LP80006 >(interestingly enough with a vanilla LP8000, doesn't 3 >seem to need a KGPSA-CA/X). I can see the FC disks 3 >( on an MA2200 ) as data disks, I can even install , >VMS on them. I can't boot from them though., >I've set up the disk in the firmware on theA >LP8000, I can see it from the console, I can run vms_loader, but . >it seems to just start beating on the FC disk0 >continuously - VMS never starts. I presume this0 >isn't supposed to work - or is it just that I'm >missing something?   J VMS V8.0 had temporary support for one of the Emulex Fibre Channel cards. E IIRC it was the LP9802.  This was a stopgap card, since the Qlogic FC D support wasn't ready yet.  I don't remember if V8.1 continued LP9802I support or not.  V8.2 and later (on Itanium) definitely DON'T support any H Emulex FC cards.  Unfortunately, there are some situations in V8.2 where= the Emulex card seems to be involved in causing some crashes.   J For supported FC on Itanium, you need the Qlogic 2 port, 2 Gbit/sec card. J If memory serves, the product number is A6826A.  This card is supported onH all the systems that VMS supports.  An update for the card firmware willJ be needed for proper operation on the mid-range and high-end systems added
 in V8.2-1.    3 >  I've read that the LP8000 isn't supported on the 2 >official VMS release - is that correct. Does "not0 >supported" mean "doesn't work"? Yes, I know all/ >the disclaimers. I'm just using this as a test 3 >system and would like to avoid buying an expensive . >FC card if I can. I see the supported card is6 >a QLogic card. Is that a vanilla QLA2342 (or similar)$ >or must it be the official HP card?  J I don't know about the QLA2342; that name is unfamiliar to me.  If it usesD the same FC chip as the A6826A, there's a good chance the VMS deviceH driver will work.  For boot support, you'll have to have the EFI driver,E which is in a flash ROM on the A6826A.  Cards targeted at non-Itanium J platforms are sometimes cost-reduced by leaving off the ROM, or by using a+ smaller ROM and not loading the EFI driver.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:31:46 +0100( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>< Subject: Re: ZFS from Sun, what's about a new FS for OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <000f01c5e4ff$a3d0ca10$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  > I am working at an institute for pattern recognition and imageA understanding. We do have a lot of image sequences with different G channels and hundred of GBs data. In case of this we do have RAIDs with E four TB and more. The NTFS architecture is able to address 2**64 Byte D volumes. Partition tables are limited by industry standards to 2**32C sectors. At the moment, the normal sector size is 512 bytes. So the C current limitation is a single volume of 2 terabytes. Under special C circumstances you can expand NTFS volumes to a sizes greater then 2 F terabytes. This show, that the Windows limitation is factor two higherD then OpenVMS (normal conditions) today. But the architecture of NTFS+ allows much more bytes, other then OpenVMS. H Moore's law will say, that every one and a half year you will see doubleH disk space. In six years you will see 4TB disks and I fear, that OpenVMS can not handle it.   Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:50:37 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>< Subject: Re: ZFS from Sun, what's about a new FS for OpenVMS* Message-ID: <43721ACD.4070701@prodigy.net>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:    > Hello, > @ > I am working at an institute for pattern recognition and imageC > understanding. We do have a lot of image sequences with different I > channels and hundred of GBs data. In case of this we do have RAIDs with G > four TB and more. The NTFS architecture is able to address 2**64 Byte F > volumes. Partition tables are limited by industry standards to 2**32E > sectors. At the moment, the normal sector size is 512 bytes. So the E > current limitation is a single volume of 2 terabytes. Under special E > circumstances you can expand NTFS volumes to a sizes greater then 2 H > terabytes. This show, that the Windows limitation is factor two higherF > then OpenVMS (normal conditions) today. But the architecture of NTFS- > allows much more bytes, other then OpenVMS. J > Moore's law will say, that every one and a half year you will see doubleJ > disk space. In six years you will see 4TB disks and I fear, that OpenVMS > can not handle it. >  > Best regards R. Wingert  >  Moore's law says no such thing.    --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 15:50:54 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: [AMDS] Can it look into V8.2 ? , Message-ID: <43721ade$1@news.langstoeger.at>  I As we learned, AMDS (the X11 version - versus AVAILMAN, the JAVA version) N is not available/planned for/on I64 and/or OpenVMS V8. Is this still correct ?  F I use AMDS V7.3-2A on OpenVMS VAX V7.3 (you know, there is no JAVA andD therefor no AVAILMAN on VAXes) to gather infos off my home machines.  I Since I upgraded an Alpha to V8.2, I can no longer monitor it. Message is O %AMDS-I-NOLBR, cannot find library AMDS$CONFIG:AMDS$VMSAXP-V82.LIB for node ...   9 Is it possible to get such a file (perhaps unsupported) ? H Would it be that easy to copy say AMDS$VMSAXP-V732.LIB to it (or might II risk a crash or other serious problems) ? Or do I need a AMDSBUILD tool ?    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:33:25 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> + Subject: Re: [AMDS] Can it look into V8.2 ? 9 Message-ID: <9Focf.130953$K91.53608@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   D "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:43721ade$1@news.langstoeger.at...K > As we learned, AMDS (the X11 version - versus AVAILMAN, the JAVA version) G > is not available/planned for/on I64 and/or OpenVMS V8. Is this still   > correct ?  > H > I use AMDS V7.3-2A on OpenVMS VAX V7.3 (you know, there is no JAVA andF > therefor no AVAILMAN on VAXes) to gather infos off my home machines. > K > Since I upgraded an Alpha to V8.2, I can no longer monitor it. Message is I > %AMDS-I-NOLBR, cannot find library AMDS$CONFIG:AMDS$VMSAXP-V82.LIB for  
 > node ... > ; > Is it possible to get such a file (perhaps unsupported) ? J > Would it be that easy to copy say AMDS$VMSAXP-V732.LIB to it (or might IK > risk a crash or other serious problems) ? Or do I need a AMDSBUILD tool ?   J I too would like to have the X11 version available on V8.2.  I don't need E any new features in it.  The Java version just doesn't cut it in our  I environment.  We export the X11 AMDS displays across our WAN without any  H issues.  The Java version is so graphic intensive, it's unusable unless H displayed locally.  Even then, it's not as effective as the X11 version.  M I've bought up my concerns to HP/Compaq about this issue in various ways and  J they just don't want to hear it.  The standard response has been "This is K what our customers are requesting".  I've yet to meet that customer who is  K saying "I want a Java version of AMDS and I want HP to discontinue the X11  	 version."    -Jeff    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.626 ************************