1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 10 Nov 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 627       Contents:N (TCPWARE? Multinet?) Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname" Re: DECnet IV configurator problem+ Re: Ethernet-RS232-Box for OpenVMS on Alpha 9 Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname 9 Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname ? Re: failSAFE IP - Looks good! Who's using it? (and why/why-not)  File spec wildcard match test?. Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support. RE: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support. Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support. Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support2 HP C v7.1 for OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha.... install files?6 Re: HP C v7.1 for OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha.... install files?6 Re: HP C v7.1 for OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha.... install files?6 Re: HP C v7.1 for OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha.... install files?  Re: Multinet issue or mail issue Re: RCP issue, Re: RCP issue,- Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement - Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement - Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement - Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement " Re: Setting Up OS On My Alpha-4100" Re: Setting Up OS On My Alpha-4100
 TCPIP startup  Re: TCPIP startup  Re: TCPIP startup  Re: TCPIP startup  Re: TCPIP startup  Re: TCPIP startup  Re: VMS magtape handling3 Re: ZFS from Sun, what's about a new FS for OpenVMS 3 Re: ZFS from Sun, what's about a new FS for OpenVMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:09:19 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> W Subject: (TCPWARE? Multinet?) Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname 1 Message-ID: <dkukoa$lp9$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Hein,  < > The good news is that I am now available for your projects  > Oh Great. As if the market needs more avaiable VMS experts :-(  E The good news is, I've heard that you're rubbish and your team's been K carrying you all these years and that they can't wait to see the back of ya 2 :-) Anyway, it's good to see you staying with VMS.  H Speaking of which, can anyone vouch for the io$_acpcontrol gethostbynameL (hostent_offset) behaving the same way or having the same size restrictions,K with TCPWARE and Multinet? I remember them as being fairly different beasts H at one time but I don't have them handy on a test box at the moment. I'm? subtracting 256 (possible o/head bytes) from SYI$_MAXBUF giving E maximum_hostent_size. Will this only work with UCX? or are there more = ss$_badparam and ss$_exquota traps lurking around the corner?   6 > Performance, Databases, Storage, Oracle, MySQL, RMS,  H What are you like with DECdtm's XA-Veneer? Ever used the Reserved MemoryI Registry for Orrible's SGA? (I certainly haven't, I'm genuinely trying to  find someone who has :-)   Cheers Richard Maher  G "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com> wrote in message = news:1131545591.452631.247670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... E > >> You and all the other blokes can't retire for at least 10 years.  > F > Ah, now he tells me. Too late! I accepted a retirement offer a month > ago. > E > The good news is that I am now available for your projects as: HvdH  > Performance ConsultingF > Performance, Databases, Storage, Oracle, MySQL, RMS, OpenVMS, Linux,  > Cobol, Basic, C, Perl, DCL,... >  > Will travel for (good) food! > 	 > Cheers,  > Hein.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 11:40:01 -0800 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Re: DECnet IV configurator problem B Message-ID: <1131565201.896356.93540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  
 AEF wrote: > Hello, > ' > Why can't I enable the configurator?:  > * > $ NCP SET MOD CONFIG KNOWN CIRC SURV ENA" > %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure > , > %SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited >  > Here's some info:  >  > $ NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRC  >  > ; > Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of  4-NOV-2005 09:35:32  > C >    Circuit          State                   Loopback     Adjacent F >                                               Name      Routing Node > E >   DNIP-0-1          on                                1.144 (xxxxx)  >   ISA-0             on >  > $ NCP SHOW KNOWN OBJ >  > : > Known Object Volatile Summary as of  4-NOV-2005 09:29:59 > 8 >    Object   Number  File/PID                   User Id
 > Password >  >   $IPCACP        0  00000086 >   $MOM           0 >   $NICONFIG      0 >   FTEXEDBM4      0  000000DE >   FTMSGMGR       0  000000D9 >   FTUPDDBM1      0  000001028 >   TASK           0                             ILLEGAL [...]  >   FAL           17  FAL.EXE  >   HLD           18; >   NML           19  NML.EXE                    NML$SERVER  [...]  >   REMACP        23  000000A0 >   MIRROR        25 >   EVL           26  0000009F< >   MAIL          27  MAIL_SERVER.EXE            MAIL$SERVER [...]  >   PHONE         29  PHONE.EXE  >   CTERM         42  000000A0 >   VPM           51  VPM.EXE  >   DTR           63 >  > UAF> SHOW DECNET > C > Username: DECNET                           Owner:  DECNET DEFAULT I > Account:  DECNET                           UIC:    [376,376] ([DECNET]) > > CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES! > Default:  SYS$SPECIFIC:[DECNET]  > LGICMD:   NL:  > Flags:  Restricted% > Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri - > Secondary days:                     Sat Sun H > Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222H > Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123H > Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ###### > 	 > thanks.     . On other nodes I get a network login failure!:  & NCP>SET MOD CONFIG KNOWN CIRC SURV ENA8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   9-NOV-2005 19:27:58.20  %%%%%%%%%%%. Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on MYSTERY_NODE: Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on# MYSTERY_NODE, system id: MYSTERY_ID / Auditable event:          Network login failure 1 Event time:                9-NOV-2005 19:27:58.19 " PID:                      000090AD' Process name:             $NICONFIG_245  [...]   Username:                 DECNET& Remote username:          MYSTERY_USER; Status:                   %LOGIN-F-INVPWD, invalid password     %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure  < %SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node NCP>  G I'm on the same node with all privs enabled. Why is a network login (to F VMS account DECNET) involved for this NCP command, but not for so many= others (well, at least most other commands actually succeed)?   . What does it take to get this command to work?   thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 13:07:15 -0800 " From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk4 Subject: Re: Ethernet-RS232-Box for OpenVMS on AlphaC Message-ID: <1131570435.911026.165710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   
 Jim wrote:/ > "Me" <gospodin1950@yahoo.de> wrote in message > > news:1131548607.795272.85050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...G > >I just found http://www.vscom.de/produkte/vs-netcom_811.html and I'm I > > curious if this was a solution to connect serial terminals to a Alpha % > > box. Any idea if this would work?  > > M > A cursory look reveals that it claims to be a terminal server.  If so, then  > it is hardly a new concept.  > Jim   E True. Things like this have been around for some time. Scrolling down F reveals that it requires a driver, and surprise, surprise, VMS doesn'tF seem to be on the list of systems supported :-(. Best to just go for a
 DECserver.   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:16:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbyname, Message-ID: <43725928.FC373E52@teksavvy.com>   Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote:F > Ah, now he tells me. Too late! I accepted a retirement offer a month > ago.  G Were you still in the VMS group or had you been moved to Tru64 ? If you E were still in the VMS group, it is a sad loss for VMS. Hopefully, the = VMS management will hire you as a consultant to fill the gap.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 21:16:01 -0800 < From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <heinvandenheuvel@gmail.com>B Subject: Re: EXQUOTA with TCP/IP $QIO io$_acpcontrol gethostbynameC Message-ID: <1131599760.970982.303800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D Actually, I left OpenVMS engineering more than 10 years ago, back in '93.  F And I never joined Tru64 engineering, allthough  I had the pleasure ofF working very closely with several of the fine engineers in that group.  7 Doesn't stop me from trying to keep up with it all :-).   . "I'm no doctor, but I play one on your screen"  F My real job for many years has been 'system engineering', focussing onB performance for ERP solutions. Think SAP, JDE, Peoplesoft.Mostly IC worked on the 'backends': Database, Storage, OS and did not need to / know too much about the applications themselfs.    Grins, Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:16:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: failSAFE IP - Looks good! Who's using it? (and why/why-not), Message-ID: <4372E5AA.735D9E21@teksavvy.com>   Richard Maher wrote:M > the same box (or other box in the cluster). And when the original interface M > becomes available again then it fails back seemlessly-like. Does that sound  > about right?    D When node B assumes the IP originally used by the now failed node A,G what happens to ARP entries that still point to the ethernet address of 	 node A ?    C Does Node B work some magic to invalidate node A's ARP entry in all G nodes in that LAN (forcing them to then ask "who has IP W.X.Y.Z ?" with   node B answering "I do ! I do !"  E Or is it just a question of the ARP lifetime beuing short enough that < people can live with node A's IP being offline for a while ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:05:57 -0600 (CST) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)' Subject: File spec wildcard match test? 2 Message-ID: <05111000055764_202AAB19@antinode.org>  D    Imagine that I had a program which processed a list of files, andF which had a kind of "/EXCLUDE = (file1 [, file2 [...]])" option, where9 the /EXCLUDE file list could include wildcard file specs.   F    Is there an easy way (RMS service, or something else already extant@ in VMS V5.4, say) to test a particular file spec against a given* wildcard file spec?  That is, for example:  C    wild_match( "[.a.b.c]fred.dat", "[...b...]fred.*")  /* (true) */ D    wild_match( "[.a.b.c]fred.dat", "[...b]fred.*")     /* (false) */  C This would be something like $SEARCH with a wildcard file spec, but E testing a particular file spec string against the wildcard file spec, = instead of testing real files against the wildcard file spec.   F    One could write code for this, but it seems that with commands likeB BACKUP and DIRECTORY, which have /EXCLUDE options, there should be something lying around already.       What's true?   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:29:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support , Message-ID: <43725C34.1A0AB17C@teksavvy.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  > 0 > And now I've done it as well. Speculate on :-)    C There are some who see these moves not as speculative, but a simple : execution of a strategy to eventually widthdraw from IA64.  @ Microsoft has no vested interest in IA64 and doesn's see IA64 asH strategic. Microsoft isn't interested in a platform restricted only to aE niche market. And since MS hasn't bet its business in the IA64 niche, F making annoucnements about reduced commitment to that platform doesn'tD hurt it. It also sends out a clear message to potential customers toH stick to the 8086 for windows because MS isn't intendting on growing its presence in the IA64 thing.     F On the other hand, the real speculation happens with the HP apologistsB who still see a bright future for IA64 and refuse to see the clear writing on the wall.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:20:54 -0500' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 7 Subject: RE: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70CB9D@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20   > Sent: November 9, 2005 2:30 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 > Subject: Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support  >=20 > Alan Greig wrote:  > >=202 > > And now I've done it as well. Speculate on :-) >=20 >=20E > There are some who see these moves not as speculative, but a simple < > execution of a strategy to eventually widthdraw from IA64. >=20B > Microsoft has no vested interest in IA64 and doesn's see IA64 as8 > strategic. Microsoft isn't interested in a platform=20 > restricted only to aG > niche market. And since MS hasn't bet its business in the IA64 niche, H > making annoucnements about reduced commitment to that platform doesn'tF > hurt it. It also sends out a clear message to potential customers toA > stick to the 8086 for windows because MS isn't intendting on=20 
 > growing its  > presence in the IA64 thing.  >=20 >=20  ? Oh Oh, better tell IBM to give up on Power5 as Microsoft is not * investing much in that platform either.=20  H Same with Sun - I am sure they will be very upset that Microsoft has not  decided to do anything on SPARC.  ' [could not resist ...insert flames ...]    :-)    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:38:47 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 7 Subject: Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support 0 Message-ID: <11n5g5qksonbe67@corp.supernews.com>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----7 >>From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]    >>Sent: November 9, 2005 2:30 PM >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 >>Subject: Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support  >> >>Alan Greig wrote:  >>1 >>>And now I've done it as well. Speculate on :-)  >> >>E >>There are some who see these moves not as speculative, but a simple < >>execution of a strategy to eventually widthdraw from IA64. >>B >>Microsoft has no vested interest in IA64 and doesn's see IA64 as6 >>strategic. Microsoft isn't interested in a platform  >>restricted only to aG >>niche market. And since MS hasn't bet its business in the IA64 niche, H >>making annoucnements about reduced commitment to that platform doesn'tF >>hurt it. It also sends out a clear message to potential customers to? >>stick to the 8086 for windows because MS isn't intendting on  
 >>growing its  >>presence in the IA64 thing.  >> >> >  > A > Oh Oh, better tell IBM to give up on Power5 as Microsoft is not * > investing much in that platform either.   E Power is not a Microsoft target, thus not relavant to the discussion.   @ Power is what allows IBM to offer a 'better/best' system, which G currently as far as I can tell is far faster than any other commercial  
 architechure.   J > Same with Sun - I am sure they will be very upset that Microsoft has not" > decided to do anything on SPARC.  : Similar arguments as for IBM, except the performance part.  ) > [could not resist ...insert flames ...]    Why waste the fuel?   6 > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. >  >    Yes.  D But, while IBM has reasons to produce Power, and Sun has reasons to B produce/use SPARC (x86 not being an part of this issue), list the 6 reasons, and volumes, for Intel to produce the itanic.  I While IBM and Sun see profits on complete systems, Intel only sees sales  , (I won't use the word/joke profits) of CPUs.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:54:25 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: FW: OT: Microsoft drop more Itanic support , Message-ID: <4372D27C.A18CAAA5@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:A > Oh Oh, better tell IBM to give up on Power5 as Microsoft is not ) > investing much in that platform either.   E Microsoft long ago dropped support for the Power architecture.  Power  and MIPS went before Alpha.     F MS is good to hedge its bets and support some new architecture in caseH that architecture takes off, but if after a few years, that architectureH don't have much high-volume future, MS drops support. IT has done so for3 Power, for MIPS, for Alpha and will do so for IA64.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 21:50:30 -0800 , From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>; Subject: HP C v7.1 for OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha.... install files? C Message-ID: <1131601830.068007.215460@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I am in the situation of having a license for this as a member of DSPP, 
 but no media.   C Since I only need the install files for the single product, I would C rather not go direct to HP and purchase the entire set of "software F product CDs" to obtain just the one set of files ( they no longer haveA the software subscription service where you automatically get the G updates delivered to you quarterly so now you have to "scrounge or buy" ! the update CDs to get the media).   F Does anyone have the install files where you could send them to me, orA have  information for downloading ? Total file size is approx 34K & blocks from the listings I have found.  6 Contact me at rcyoung@aliconsultants.com with the info  
 Thanks !!!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:18:32 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ? Subject: Re: HP C v7.1 for OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha.... install files? * Message-ID: <4372E638.6050609@bigpond.com>   rcyoung mentioned in passing: I > I am in the situation of having a license for this as a member of DSPP,  > but no media.  > E > Since I only need the install files for the single product, I would E > rather not go direct to HP and purchase the entire set of "software H > product CDs" to obtain just the one set of files ( they no longer haveC > the software subscription service where you automatically get the I > updates delivered to you quarterly so now you have to "scrounge or buy" # > the update CDs to get the media).  > H > Does anyone have the install files where you could send them to me, orC > have  information for downloading ? Total file size is approx 34K ( > blocks from the listings I have found. > 8 > Contact me at rcyoung@aliconsultants.com with the info >  > Thanks !!!  3 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/c_index.html      Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 22:16:10 -0800 , From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>? Subject: Re: HP C v7.1 for OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha.... install files? C Message-ID: <1131603370.790392.288500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   > Glitch on my part....actual size of ALL files is about 150,000E blocks..I was looking at the "update" list earlier and not the entire  "set" of files.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:34:58 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ? Subject: Re: HP C v7.1 for OpenVMS 8.2 Alpha.... install files? ( Message-ID: <4372EA12.50803@bigpond.com>  / David B Sneddon - bigpond mentioned in passing:  > rcyoung mentioned in passing:  > J >> I am in the situation of having a license for this as a member of DSPP, >> but no media. >>F >> Since I only need the install files for the single product, I wouldF >> rather not go direct to HP and purchase the entire set of "softwareI >> product CDs" to obtain just the one set of files ( they no longer have D >> the software subscription service where you automatically get theJ >> updates delivered to you quarterly so now you have to "scrounge or buy"$ >> the update CDs to get the media). >>I >> Does anyone have the install files where you could send them to me, or D >> have  information for downloading ? Total file size is approx 34K) >> blocks from the listings I have found.  >>9 >> Contact me at rcyoung@aliconsultants.com with the info  >>
 >> Thanks !!!  >  > 5 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/c_index.html  >  > 
 > Regards, > Dave  < Sorry 'bout that, fingers were too quick.  The kit is NOT at that location.   Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:50:47 +0800 ( From: "Fred Jiang" <r54123@motorola.com>) Subject: Re: Multinet issue or mail issue + Message-ID: <dku24r$s1k$1@newshost.mot.com>   J But I have a patch smtp_030_044A installed. Seems later than smtp_020_044A4 "Rich Whalen" <whalenr@process.com> wrote in message2 news:5kn3n1dufdgf9lbfqor8919dtimso3i2h8@4ax.com...G > On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:53:51 +0800, "Fred Jiang" <r54123@motorola.com>  > wrote: >  > >Bob,  > >No errors message returned.K > >I insert command "$show queue smtp*/full/all" after each commands "mail" J > >I found I can only see one entry number even the two mail commands run.K > >If I insert "$wait 00:00:05.0" between the two "mail" commands, then two  job  > >can be seen.  > >  > >Fred. > >  > >  > >  > E > Since this experiment caused the desire result (two mail messages), > > then yes, the patch that I mentioned will solve the problem. > H > A similar problem was reported by another customer when trying to sendD > messages frequently.  The SMTP protocol requires that all messagesG > have a unique id, and prior to this patch it was possible to have two F > messages get the same id.  This patch uses more bits of the VMS time > and avoids the problem.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 07:49:40 +0800 ( From: "Fred Jiang" <r54123@motorola.com> Subject: Re: RCP issue, + Message-ID: <dku22s$s1c$1@newshost.mot.com>   L Sorry, I miss input here, I mean the reutrned message is blank. And file not copied.   5 "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote in message , news:dkslon$q56$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk... > 5 > "Fred Jiang" <r54123@motorola.com> wrote in message % news:dkrokl$qr0$1@newshost.mot.com...  > J > > When I insert the verify line to the very beginning of the sylogin.com file. # > > Then the returened message is "  > > then nothing else happened.  > , > Looks like you omitted the quotation mark. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:37:40 +0800 ( From: "Fred Jiang" <r54123@motorola.com> Subject: Re: RCP issue, + Message-ID: <dku8d7$172$1@newshost.mot.com>    Rich and David, 4 The issue is resolved with the suggestion of Rich's.A Thanks very much.But I do not know why it happens, Please advise. ( I add following lines in the sylogin.com $verify :== 'f$verify(0)' % $if f$mode() .eqs. "others" then exit  $ 7 "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com> wrote in message % news:dkqba1$o79$1@news.process.com...  > A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:4370112C.2C1F13C5@comcast.net...  > > Fred Jiang wrote:  > > > 	 > > > Hi, J > > > I encounter a problem while I use RCP command on UNIX server to copy VMS  > > > file to UNIX server.F > > > Let's say, Host A is a UNIX server , B is a VMS server which run
 > Multinet to  > > > support TCP/IP protocol.I > > > on B: I create a file ".rhosts" under the default directory of user  > "aa".  > > > with content: 3 > > > B.ap.aaa.net #(ap.aaa.net is the domain name) @ > > > add line "B.ap.aaa.net" to the file "multinet:hosts.equiv"B > > > then on UNIX box: I use command "$rcp aa@B:ops:[aa].rhosts .A > > > Got information :"$ Set NoOn". But there is no file copied. 7 > > > Is anyone know what's the problem due to? thanks, 1 > > > Pls also advise how to resolve the problem?  > I > The "$Set NoOn" that you are seeing is due to either the sylogin.com or E > the user's login.com having that command before it disables command  > file verification. > A > Try adding the following as the first line in your sylogin.com:  >  > $ verify = 'f$verify(0)  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:27:20 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement+ Message-ID: <4372A1F8.DE8497D7@comcast.net>    Michael Unger wrote: > 0 > On 2005-11-09 04:51, "David J Dachtera" wrote: >  > > Antoniov wrote:  > >>J > >> The /IGNORE=INTERLOCK qualifier may be very dangeorus because you canL > >> save a file while somebody is writing in it. After restore you couldn't > >> read data from file! G > >> I agree this is dangerous so in my mind VMS should make a snapshot  > >> before backup!  > > K > > Well, I trust you understand the ramifications of doing so: a huge file L > > could take hours to write to tape, and where does VMS store the "deltas", > > while the "original" file is being read? > > 	 > > [...]  > J > Isn't that (very) similar to what is accomplished with "mini-merge" when4 > a (previous) shadow-set member is "re-integrated"?   How so?   D In mini-merge, a bitmap is used to track the 127-block segments that4 have write activity between clearings of the bitmap.  A In snapshot, the system stores the original blocks in a secondary H location on a reserved volume when changes to the "base" occur until the snapshot is released.   D Looks like two entirely different critters to me, although snapshots/ look to be a logical offshoot of write-bitmaps.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:40:24 -0500  From: Chuck McCrobie <x@x.com>6 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement0 Message-ID: <C5adnahITey8XO_eRVn-qA@comcast.com>   Steven M. Schweda wrote:9 > From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com>  >  >>Tape shadowing:  >  > 
 >    Nice. >  >  >>Tape striping  >>------------------------ >>8 >>Backup of large data stores can be substaintially sped5 >>up by writing the save set to multiple tape drives.  >>9 >>Restoring the saveset will require all tapes making the % >>strip to be loaded into the drives.  >  > G >    If the tape set is made with N drives, can it be restored with N-1 = > (or fewer) drives?  Sounds like a reliability risk, if not.  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547     G Redundant Array of Independent Tapes (RAIT) - no, its not just fantasy.   - http://www.thic.org/pdf/Oct00/stk.mfisher.pdf    I believe its patented though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:00:30 +0200 7 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_header@hp.com> 6 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement* Message-ID: <4372e202@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  2 I would like to thank everyone for their feedback.  4 While I did not response to every one of the replies6 (or the 100 extra messages sent directly to me) I sure read it all.....  9 We have some research to do, although it looks like there 9 is an interest in these features (while implementation is ' yet TBD) and I'll keep you guys posted.   1 Here is a quick update on latests happenings with  BACKUP:   4 1. Starting with V8.3 BACKUP will support encrypting savesets using AES encryption.  , 2. Latest BACKUP ECO shipped couple of weeks) ago, updated the BACKUP$_OPERSPEC message 7 to include requesting PID and target device, this helps @ identify the process making the request when parallel operations are being performed.  5 3. BACKUP has been enhanced to support Dynamic Volume ? Expansion - preserve the logical size and expansion size of the 5 disk. Also we added two new qualifiers /LIMIT & /SIZE B to allow specifying the expansion size and logical size regardlessF of the values stored in the saveset. This functionality will ship with8 V8,3 and with the next round of BACKUP ECOs (if you need( it earlier contact your support center).  ; Currently we are in the process of improving the way BACKUP / is handling I/Os to reduce the disk queue load.   " Again thank you for your feedback.  	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 01:20:15 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Request for feedback - BACKUP enhancement, Message-ID: <4372E694.35CFCF4D@teksavvy.com>   Guy Peleg wrote:6 > 1. Starting with V8.3 BACKUP will support encryptingC > 3. BACKUP has been enhanced to support Dynamic Volume  Expansion    F Will backup savesets created on Alpha 8.3 be readable on the unupdated@ VAX BACKUP now stuck at 7.3 ? (assuming no compression is used).  E When distributing products/data, will folks have to use VAX-BACKUP to C ensure that the save sets can be read by both VAX and Alpha nodes ?    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2005 15:03:18 -0800 ' From: "Schnootling" <chuckm@dis.wa.gov> + Subject: Re: Setting Up OS On My Alpha-4100 C Message-ID: <1131577398.266125.194510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello Hans,   E Yes, I am most definitely interested in both items: the V6.5 firmware  CD and VMS V7.3-2.  9 What is the best way (FTP, physical mail) to transfer the  code/information ?   Chuck    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Nov 2005 07:35:59 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)+ Subject: Re: Setting Up OS On My Alpha-4100 , Message-ID: <4372f85f$1@news.langstoeger.at>  m In article <1131577398.266125.194510@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Schnootling" <chuckm@dis.wa.gov> writes: F >Yes, I am most definitely interested in both items: the V6.5 firmware >CD and VMS V7.3-2.   F F/W:	http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/as4x00.html   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:02:47 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: TCPIP startup( Message-ID: <opszzwyxvzzgicya@hyrrokkin>  4    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4E    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-1   = Had power outage today and SSH was not automatically started. # in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM have following & $       @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM  1 so I went into TCPIP$CONFIG and started manually.    Any ideas on what to look for?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:37:00 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: TCPIP startup( Message-ID: <opszz33ydrzgicya@hyrrokkin>  6 On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:39:38 -0600, David J Dachtera  " <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:  >>7 >>    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 H >>    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-1 >>@ >> Had power outage today and SSH was not automatically started.& >> in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM have following) >> $       @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM  >>4 >> so I went into TCPIP$CONFIG and started manually. >>! >> Any ideas on what to look for?  > > > Is SSH enabled cluster-wide or only on (a) specific node(s)? > ; Why would that matter?  I have an _almost_ identical system   4    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4E    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2   < configured in same way, and SSH started automatically on it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:39:38 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: TCPIP startup+ Message-ID: <4372A4DA.A27D3DB4@comcast.net>    Tom Linden wrote:  > 6 >    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4G >    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  > ? > Had power outage today and SSH was not automatically started. % > in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM have following ( > $       @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM > 3 > so I went into TCPIP$CONFIG and started manually.  >   > Any ideas on what to look for?  < Is SSH enabled cluster-wide or only on (a) specific node(s)?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:57:05 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: TCPIP startup+ Message-ID: <4372A8F1.D149E2B8@comcast.net>    Tom Linden wrote:  > 6 > On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:39:38 -0600, David J Dachtera$ > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: >  > > Tom Linden wrote:  > >>9 > >>    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 J > >>    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-1 > >>B > >> Had power outage today and SSH was not automatically started.( > >> in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM have following+ > >> $       @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM  > >>6 > >> so I went into TCPIP$CONFIG and started manually. > >># > >> Any ideas on what to look for?  > > @ > > Is SSH enabled cluster-wide or only on (a) specific node(s)? > > = > Why would that matter?  I have an _almost_ identical system  > 6 >    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4G >    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2  > > > configured in same way, and SSH started automatically on it.   See:   $ TCPIP HELP SET CONF ENAB  $ ...especially the /COMMON qualifier.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:53:45 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: TCPIP startup( Message-ID: <opszz4vva5zgicya@hyrrokkin>  6 On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:57:05 -0600, David J Dachtera  " <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:  >>7 >> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:39:38 -0600, David J Dachtera % >> <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  >> >> > Tom Linden wrote: >> >> : >> >>    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4K >> >>    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  >> >> C >> >> Had power outage today and SSH was not automatically started. ) >> >> in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM have following , >> >> $       @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$STARTUP.COM >> >> 7 >> >> so I went into TCPIP$CONFIG and started manually.  >> >> $ >> >> Any ideas on what to look for? >> >A >> > Is SSH enabled cluster-wide or only on (a) specific node(s)?  >> >> >> Why would that matter?  I have an _almost_ identical system >>7 >>    HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 H >>    on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 >>? >> configured in same way, and SSH started automatically on it.  >  > See: >  > $ TCPIP HELP SET CONF ENAB > & > ...especially the /COMMON qualifier.  K Thanks, well we'll find out next time I lose power, or maybe I'll reboot it 	 tomorrow.    >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:50:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: TCPIP startup, Message-ID: <4372D18A.E03347C4@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: 3 > so I went into TCPIP$CONFIG and started manually.  >   > Any ideas on what to look for?    B A very tiny screw lost in dust bunnies under your system cabinet.      If I remember correctly,   H TCPIP Services starting at 5.3 automatically starts enabled services andH restarts them if they fail and a new call comes in.  But after a certainC number of failures, the service is disabled. And a disabled service   remains disabled across reboots.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:16:34 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: VMS magtape handling 0 Message-ID: <BF97DF72.179C7%roktsci@comcast.net>  E On 11/9/05 5:51 AM, in article RBAfXkZvCLzd@eisner.encompasserve.org, < "briggs@encompasserve.org" <briggs@encompasserve.org> wrote:  ? > In article <BF973558.17944%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron  > <roktsci@comcast.net> writes: I >> On 11/8/05 7:41 AM, in article dkqfi8$i9u$1@info.service.rug.nl, "Fred # >> Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote:  > [snip]N >>> (3) No. A double tape mark following the data section is illegal, a doubleD >>> tape mark following the EOF section marks the end of the volume. > [...] : >> Create some files in VMS (make one a zero length file).' >> Initialize and mount an ANSI volume. M >> Copy the files you created from the VMS directory to the tape, just do not 4 >> make the zero length file the last file you copy. >>  M >> You can then mount the tape with /FOREIGN and see the embedded double file * >> mark before the end of the ANSI volume. > L > It's pretty clear to me that Fred is talking about a tape mark immediately9 > following the tape mark that terminates a data section.  >  > e.g. >  > HDR1 > HDR2 > tape mark  > <File data, possibly empty>  > tape mark 6 > tape mark ! There should have been EOF or EOV labels >  > That's illegal, of course. > $ > And you appear to be talking about >  > HDR1 > HDR2 > tape mark . > tape mark !delimiting the empty data section > EOF1 > tape mark  > ...  >  >  > That's legal, of course. >     9 Yes, Fred had been answered, but based on the remark that  David J Dachtera wrote:   J > Two successive tape marks with no interventing data records signify "end	 > of tape    Alan Frisbie replied: < > Not always true!   If you have an ANSI-formatted mag tape,? > and one of the files is empty (has no records), you will have ; > two tape marks with no intervening data records.   We got = > caught by this when making copies of an old RT-11 DECUS SIG > > tape with exactly this situation.   The "standard" tape copy> > program of the time, TPC, had to be modified (with an option > switch) to handle this.  >  > Alan  J Which started this substring of responses, about double filemarks imbedded? within a logical volume which do not signify the end of volume.    Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:46:17 -0500  From: Chuck McCrobie <x@x.com>< Subject: Re: ZFS from Sun, what's about a new FS for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <C5adnatITewfX-_eRVn-qA@comcast.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > Alan Greig wrote:  >  >>I >> A better link is http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/dtj/vol8num2/toc.htm  C >> which is direct link to Digital Technical Journal Volume 8 No 2   >> discussing Spiralog.] >>I >> The official story is that it was cancelled because of insurmountable  E >> performance problems - the reason the developers gave is that the  I >> project was cancelled to save money and all staff on the project made  H >> redundant. All cited performance issues were already being addressed I >> and were expected in the first release. At least that's what the team  ( >> told me just before they were sacked. >  > & >   Spiralog shipped various releases. > G >   The limitations look to be inherent within log file system designs.  >  >   G IF I remember correctly, log file systems were great until the garbage  F collector had to run.  Then performance fell greatly while it tried to* free up large amounts of contiguous space.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:16:51 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: ZFS from Sun, what's about a new FS for OpenVMS= Message-ID: <Fe2dnZxegrhYSu_eRVn-hA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Chuck McCrobie wrote:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >  >> Alan Greig wrote: >> >>> J >>> A better link is http://www.hpl.hp.com/hpjournal/dtj/vol8num2/toc.htm D >>> which is direct link to Digital Technical Journal Volume 8 No 2  >>> discussing Spiralog.]  >>> J >>> The official story is that it was cancelled because of insurmountable F >>> performance problems - the reason the developers gave is that the J >>> project was cancelled to save money and all staff on the project made I >>> redundant. All cited performance issues were already being addressed  J >>> and were expected in the first release. At least that's what the team ) >>> told me just before they were sacked.  >> >> >>' >>   Spiralog shipped various releases.  >>H >>   The limitations look to be inherent within log file system designs. >> >> > I > IF I remember correctly, log file systems were great until the garbage  H > collector had to run.  Then performance fell greatly while it tried to, > free up large amounts of contiguous space.  H That's an implementation, not an intrinsic, deficiency.  The first part ? of the solution is obviously to collect as a fairly continuous  I background activity in order to avoid sudden changes in performance, but  E beyond that (and especially important as free space starts to become  I tight) is to use a hierarchy of 'log' spaces (at least 2) such that only  D the first, most volatile level requires any significant reshuffling C (with the 'colder' data - which should be the vast majority - just  I sitting in place in subsidiary levels which aren't even looked at during  I the primary shuffling activity and which get shuffled themselves at even  F lower priority to reclaim the far less frequent changes in allocation  there).   G This does of course assume a set of segmented rather than a physically  G linear logs, but Spiralog's log was segmented so could have relatively  $ easily been modified in this manner.  D (I think that approaches which attain somewhat similar ends without H forcing the stored data into a log motif are better still, though - and  ZFS appears to be one such.)   - bill   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.627 ************************