1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 17 Nov 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 641       Contents:$ Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF( Re: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF( Re: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF( Re: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF( Re: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF Announcement: Joomla on VAMP C 6.4  for Vax savesets? Re: C 6.4  for Vax savesets? Re: C 6.4 for Vax savesets?  Re: C 6.4 for Vax savesets?  Re: C 6.4 for Vax savesets?  Re: DECnet Configurator  Re: DECnet Configurator  Re: DECnet Configurator 0 difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECTORY4 Re: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECTORY4 Re: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECTORY f2c for openVMS Alpha? Gadgets and office security  MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS? ' Re: Making iso file from VMS install CD ' Re: Making iso file from VMS install CD  Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program> Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium> Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium> Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium> Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium> Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium= Re: Video card Digital PCI ZLXp-L1 compatibility with OpenVMS  Re: VMS memory management  Re: Watchdog? Re: Where to locate ECU diskette for 2100 & 2100A Alphaservers?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:40:15 +0100 . From: "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>- Subject: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF 7 Message-ID: <aus-220F22.21401516112005@news.cis.dfn.de>   H Is it possible to use a disk tower DEC DSB-356-KF on an Alpha AU433/VMS?  C The tower has a SCSI cable with two VHDCi(?) connectors. The Alpha  ' QLogic board has a UW 68 pin connector.   , Is there a DEC number for the correct cable?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:10:48 -0500 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> 1 Subject: Re: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF * Message-ID: <437BA058.1000906@comcast.net>   Hans M. Aus wrote:J > Is it possible to use a disk tower DEC DSB-356-KF on an Alpha AU433/VMS? > E > The tower has a SCSI cable with two VHDCi(?) connectors. The Alpha  ) > QLogic board has a UW 68 pin connector.  > . > Is there a DEC number for the correct cable?  ! I have a PWS433au.  Nice machine.   - The cable number that you are looking for is:   C BN38C-02 2M VHDCI to UW SCSI Cable.  Change the -02 for shorter or  C longer lengths.  I got this one on e-bay for $10.00, plus shipping.   D Sorry I can't help on the disk tower, but cmdtx on ebay had a BA356 E (blue) that I bought cheaply, and which works fine.  I can recommend  4 this seller wholeheartedly.  He knows DEC equipment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:49:46 +0100 . From: "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>1 Subject: Re: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF 7 Message-ID: <aus-31116F.03494617112005@news.cis.dfn.de>   * In article <437BA058.1000906@comcast.net>,'  BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote:    > Hans M. Aus wrote:L > > Is it possible to use a disk tower DEC DSB-356-KF on an Alpha AU433/VMS? > > G > > The tower has a SCSI cable with two VHDCi(?) connectors. The Alpha  + > > QLogic board has a UW 68 pin connector.  ...>  E > BN38C-02 2M VHDCI to UW SCSI Cable.  Change the -02 for shorter or  E > longer lengths.  I got this one on e-bay for $10.00, plus shipping.  >  >...   Brad,   > Thanks for the cable information. I found a local distributer:? http://www.pdv-systeme.de/sonderlisten/lagerbestand_storage.htm   $ What does the /K in BN38C-01/K mean?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:50:25 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 1 Subject: Re: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF 0 Message-ID: <11nnrug67tl6f4e@corp.supernews.com>   BRAD wrote:  > Hans M. Aus wrote: > K >> Is it possible to use a disk tower DEC DSB-356-KF on an Alpha AU433/VMS?  >>F >> The tower has a SCSI cable with two VHDCi(?) connectors. The Alpha * >> QLogic board has a UW 68 pin connector. >>/ >> Is there a DEC number for the correct cable?  >  > # > I have a PWS433au.  Nice machine.  > / > The cable number that you are looking for is:  > E > BN38C-02 2M VHDCI to UW SCSI Cable.  Change the -02 for shorter or  E > longer lengths.  I got this one on e-bay for $10.00, plus shipping.  > F > Sorry I can't help on the disk tower, but cmdtx on ebay had a BA356 G > (blue) that I bought cheaply, and which works fine.  I can recommend  6 > this seller wholeheartedly.  He knows DEC equipment.  F Newer disks >>usually<< support lesser protocols.  Not sure about the ? 'UW'.  In the BA350/BA356 towers, it's the interface card that    determines what it will talk to.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:38:52 -0500 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> 1 Subject: Re: Alpha AU433 <> disk tower DSB-356-KF * Message-ID: <437BFB4C.2030403@comcast.net>   Hans M. Aus wrote:, > In article <437BA058.1000906@comcast.net>,) >  BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> wrote:  >  >  >>Hans M. Aus wrote: >>K >>>Is it possible to use a disk tower DEC DSB-356-KF on an Alpha AU433/VMS?  >>> F >>>The tower has a SCSI cable with two VHDCi(?) connectors. The Alpha * >>>QLogic board has a UW 68 pin connector. >  > ...>   > E >>BN38C-02 2M VHDCI to UW SCSI Cable.  Change the -02 for shorter or  E >>longer lengths.  I got this one on e-bay for $10.00, plus shipping.  >> >>...  >  >  > Brad,  > @ > Thanks for the cable information. I found a local distributer:A > http://www.pdv-systeme.de/sonderlisten/lagerbestand_storage.htm  > & > What does the /K in BN38C-01/K mean?  K I don't know.  Is there someone else "here" who could answer that question?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:18:08 +0000 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> % Subject: Announcement: Joomla on VAMP 4 Message-ID: <dlgenk$dvi$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>  A Joomla! is a Content Management System (CMS) created by the same  F award-winning team that brought the Mambo CMS to its current state of  stardom.  G This enormously impressive, and visually stunning, CMS installs like a  + dream on VAMP and seems to work flawlessly.   B The only slight tweak I had to make was to enable zlib support in  mod_php on Apache.    Get it at, http://www.joomla.org   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 14:17:40 -0800, From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>! Subject: C 6.4  for Vax savesets? C Message-ID: <1132179460.388289.241640@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B Does anyone have the Vax DEC C V 6.4 savesets sitting on the shelfD someplace? If possible I need to get copies zipped and sent to me onF ISO-9660 CD or  emailed (probably too large for that though). I have aB later version, but need the earlier for compatibility with another system. Already have the paks.  < Is there any location where this older Vax versioin could be downloaded?   F We had a version on TK50s, but no one has touched them in 6 years, andB when I went to look they had "grown legs" along with several otherB "historical" tapes/CDs. Another good reason why no one should EVER3 perform ANY housecleaning around a computer room!!!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:19:41 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: C 6.4  for Vax savesets? + Message-ID: <437BDAA0.D48C5FB@teksavvy.com>    rcyoung wrote: > D > Does anyone have the Vax DEC C V 6.4 savesets sitting on the shelf
 > someplace?    E I never quite understood what the "shelved" thing with the VMS system  was all about.    8 I just checked my CDs and I do seem to have 6.4 on them.  D So if you have no other offers, you can email me at jfmezei with theF domain vaxination dot ca and I could arrange to make the kit available to you via FTP.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 15:40:18 -0800, From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>$ Subject: Re: C 6.4 for Vax savesets?C Message-ID: <1132184418.137189.314050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   E There were changes in the DEC C ->  HP C transition. As you say, many > were bug fixes. However, if one were writing code for eventualG migration to a second system, it is best to keep the many variables "to F a minimum". If you have to work around a bug in one, you don't have to7 "un-fix" it on the other if the compilers are the same.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:32:02 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> $ Subject: Re: C 6.4 for Vax savesets?1 Message-ID: <vNmdnQZTrZMYUubeRVn-uw@adelphia.com>    rcyoung wrote:G > There were changes in the DEC C ->  HP C transition. As you say, many @ > were bug fixes. However, if one were writing code for eventualI > migration to a second system, it is best to keep the many variables "to H > a minimum". If you have to work around a bug in one, you don't have to9 > "un-fix" it on the other if the compilers are the same.   B Ok, to be simple, there is one version of DEC C that is currently D supported for OpenVMS VAX from 5.5-2 to 7.3, and that is the latest  version of the compiler.  F I do not know if support is available for older versions of the DEC C 	 compiler.   E In general, a compiler bug means that the code will not compile, and  F usually the work around to that bug is to upgrade to the most current 	 compiler.   ? It would seem that using the current version of the C compiler  B everywhere would cause the least number of variables in that case.  G Your main variation would be in the run-time library, which except for  G OpenVMS VAX 5.5-2 is supplied by the operating system and the ECO kits  I for it.  In some cases installing the C compiler will install an updated  E C run-time library, but it will not downgrade the C run-time library   that is already present.  I The changes in the DEC C / Compaq C to HP C name branding transition are  F only on the 64 bit platform in that more of the newer C99 standard is 
 supported.  G The other major transition was from VAX C to DEC C, with DEC having an  B optional /VAXC mode where when set, the compiler will ignore some / programming errors that ANSI requires flagging.   > And I would recommend not using /VAXC setting because of that.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.net Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 16:44:35 -0800, From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>$ Subject: Re: C 6.4 for Vax savesets?C Message-ID: <1132188275.245816.163170@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I agree that going to the newer, more recent, compiler would be great ( D and far easier) . But the configuration control mandates that if you? change the compiler for one piece of the code, then you have to > recompile and recertify EVERYTHING. That job would take months
 (years??).  A Far easier to find a matching group of savesets. Fortunately, the F requirements do not extend to minor builds of the compiler (QA did try; to "dull the edge" of the sword to some extent. I have seen C establishments where everything had to be "frozen" initially at the D start of  development so that even if it took years, everyone had toE continue to use the older software/OS/etc...no upgrades or changes OF  ANY SORT wee allowed).  ? So, in this case at least, any Vax DEC C 6.4-xxx  will suffice.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 11:18:22 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: DECnet ConfiguratorC Message-ID: <1132168702.253011.127540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    BRAD wrote:  > Folks, > I > Here is Paul Beaudoin's reply to AEF (?) regarding DECnet Configurator.    Correct: AEF  0 >   Posted with permission from the author.  HTH > <snip> > 0 > I can't post to the public forum from here ... > L > I used the following command to start the configurator reliably some years > ago: > 8 > (Phase IV - I don't know if this exists under Phase V) > ) > MC NCP SET MOD CONF CIRC SVA-0 SURV ENA      On a MicroVAX 3100 model 90:  ) $ MC NCP SET MOD CONF CIRC SVA-0 SURV ENA   %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure  * %SYSTEM-F-LINKEXIT, network partner exited     On a MicroVAX 3100 model 80:  & $ NCP SET MOD CONF CIRC ISA-0 SURV ENA8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  16-NOV-2005 19:04:31.81  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on NODE_XB Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on NODE_X, system id: 1162 / Auditable event:          Network login failure 1 Event time:               16-NOV-2005 19:04:31.80 " PID:                      00015D4A' Process name:             $NICONFIG_447   Username:                 DECNET  Remote nodename:          NODE_X& Remote node id:           1162 (1.138)  Remote username:          USER_X; Status:                   %LOGIN-F-INVPWD, invalid password     %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure  < %SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node    3 > ** Replace SVA-0 with your Ethernet controller.**    Done.   B > I used this to gather a list of addresses appearing on the local3 > Ethernet and I believe it listens for MOP SYSIDs.  > H > It started a process called NICONFIG.EXE on the system - check and see > if such an executable exists.    Yes, it does, on both.  G > I seem to remember this is an Ethernet only command - the command you ' > are using starts it on all interfaces B > and as a first guess, this is the problem.  Try using a specific > Ethernet interface > F > Failing all that - look in accounting and see why the process exited > (assuming it even started)    & Only started on the model 90 (node_x):  5  Final status text: %LOGIN-F-INVPWD, invalid password     G My reaction: Password? Password for what? DECnet? Why? How do I specify A this password in the NCP command? (Imagine an emoticon expressing ! befuddlement and insert here. &-)     G > If that all fails - I may have another solution for you, depending on / > what it is you are trying to do. Let mo know.     C I was reading "DECnet for OpenVMS Networking Manual" and in section A 2.2.5 talks about the "configurator". (I am trying to increase my D DECnet knowledge.) So I thought I'd try it. But it doesn't work. I'dE like to get it to work as it may someday be useful in troubleshooting F and I may also learn some important things about DECnet in just trying to get the thing to work.   F Thanks to both of you for you help. Please let me know if you have any further suggestions.   >  > Good luck  >  > Paul >  > <snip>   AEF    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:50:52 GMT  From: "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com>  Subject: Re: DECnet Configurator= Message-ID: <0RNef.29040$6e1.7304@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>    > On a MicroVAX 3100 model 80: > ( > $ NCP SET MOD CONF CIRC ISA-0 SURV ENA: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  16-NOV-2005 19:04:31.81  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on NODE_XD > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on NODE_X, > system id: 1162 1 > Auditable event:          Network login failure 3 > Event time:               16-NOV-2005 19:04:31.80 $ > PID:                      00015D4A) > Process name:             $NICONFIG_447 " > Username:                 DECNET" > Remote nodename:          NODE_X( > Remote node id:           1162 (1.138)" > Remote username:          USER_X= > Status:                   %LOGIN-F-INVPWD, invalid password  > " > %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure > > > %SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node >  >  >  > I > My reaction: Password? Password for what? DECnet? Why? How do I specify C > this password in the NCP command? (Imagine an emoticon expressing # > befuddlement and insert here. &-) I All accounts have passwords.  A likely cause is that the password in the  ; network database does not agree with the one in the sysuaf. 7 Any discrepancy here will cause the error that you see. K Setting passwords for the various decnet accounts is done by netconfig.com. L If the nodes in question are clustered, then don't you have a common sysuaf  and decnet database? Jim    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 15:27:27 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>  Subject: Re: DECnet ConfiguratorC Message-ID: <1132183647.514395.266560@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   
 Jim wrote:  > > On a MicroVAX 3100 model 80: > > * > > $ NCP SET MOD CONF CIRC ISA-0 SURV ENA< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  16-NOV-2005 19:04:31.81  %%%%%%%%%%%, > > Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on NODE_XF > > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on NODE_X, > > system id: 1162 3 > > Auditable event:          Network login failure 5 > > Event time:               16-NOV-2005 19:04:31.80 & > > PID:                      00015D4A+ > > Process name:             $NICONFIG_447 $ > > Username:                 DECNET$ > > Remote nodename:          NODE_X* > > Remote node id:           1162 (1.138)$ > > Remote username:          USER_X? > > Status:                   %LOGIN-F-INVPWD, invalid password  > > $ > > %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure > > @ > > %SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node > > K > > My reaction: Password? Password for what? DECnet? Why? How do I specify E > > this password in the NCP command? (Imagine an emoticon expressing % > > befuddlement and insert here. &-)  > J > All accounts have passwords.  A likely cause is that the password in the= > network database does not agree with the one in the sysuaf.   A OK. But why is this not a problem for all the other NCP commands?   9 > Any discrepancy here will cause the error that you see.    OK.   M > Setting passwords for the various decnet accounts is done by netconfig.com.   E Fine. Someone must have run NETCONFIG.COM a long time ago to set this F up. Maybe someone manually changed the DECnet password. So what is theD safe way to get them back in sync? Can I just go to another node andG run TELL NODE_X SHOW EXEC CHAR to get the password and use AUTHORIZE to  fix it in SYSUAF.DAT?   M > If the nodes in question are clustered, then don't you have a common sysuaf  > and decnet database?  < The nodes are not clustered. None of my nodes are clustered.  G Do you have any ideas about the other node which doesn't complain about  an invalid password?   > Jim    thanks again   AEF    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:52:23 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)9 Subject: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECTORY $ Message-ID: <dlg667$ver$2@online.de>   Consider the following:     5 $  dir/dat=(c,m)/siz=all NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY]   & Directory NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY]   FILE.TYPE;1 '                    file access conflict    Total of 1 file, 0/0 blocks.) $  dir/dat=(c,m)/siz=all DISK:[DIRECTORY]    Directory DISK:[DIRECTORY]   FILE.TYPE;1 V                            0/2573843   8-NOV-2005 00:00:00.00  15-NOV-2005 16:37:37.29  # Total of 1 file, 0/15122322 blocks.     I Why is the DIRECTORY command over DECnet not able to access the time and   size information?   E The file in question was being written (restore of file to disk from  $ tape) when the commands were issued.  D I often use the dir/dat=(c,m)/siz=all command to determine when the F restore operation has completed writing the file, but apparently this * can't be done via DECnet.  Bug or feature?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:46:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: Re: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECTORY , Message-ID: <437BD2F7.CEF8F68D@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: 7 > $  dir/dat=(c,m)/siz=all NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY]  > ( > Directory NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY] > 
 > FILE.TYPE;1 ) >                    file access conflict     ) $ dir/size=all/date=(c,m) velo::login.com     Directory VELO::USRDIR:[JFMEZEI]  > LOGIN.COM;44               4/12       15-JUN-2005 12:12:11.04  15-JUN-2005 12:12:11.45     + (this was done from node BIKE, VAX-VMS 7.2)   : Is it possible that your "file.type" is currently in use ?   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 19:29:41 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECTORY B Message-ID: <1132198181.515549.25500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote: 1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: 9 > > $  dir/dat=(c,m)/siz=all NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY]  > > * > > Directory NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY] > >  > > FILE.TYPE;1 + > >                    file access conflict  >  > + > $ dir/size=all/date=(c,m) velo::login.com  > " > Directory VELO::USRDIR:[JFMEZEI] > ? > LOGIN.COM;44               4/12       15-JUN-2005 12:12:11.04  > 15-JUN-2005 12:12:11.45  >  > - > (this was done from node BIKE, VAX-VMS 7.2)  > < > Is it possible that your "file.type" is currently in use ?    G He said it was being written at the time, so yes, it is quite possible. 6 ;-) Does your newsreader suffer from postus truncatus?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:29:16 -0600  From: <wob96@yahoo.com>  Subject: f2c for openVMS Alpha? 3 Message-ID: <dlgfc6$tlc$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>    Hi,   C I'm looking f2c utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone L please tell me where I can get it (the one at netlib doesn't seem to work), 2 or could you send me Appha binaries? Thanks a lot!   Owen     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:35:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> $ Subject: Gadgets and office security, Message-ID: <437BEC7A.9DCF1689@teksavvy.com>  d http://news.com.com/Employee+gadgets+pose+security+risk+to+companies/2100-1029_3-5954642.html?tag=nl  H It is an article on how dangerous all the gadgets people bring to officeE can be to office security since they can connect directly into office M PCs and bypass corporate firewalls. (MP3 players, Ipods, PDAs, smart phones).     F For secure applications, one now REALLY needs thin clients (aka: smartE terminals) without any plugs so that employees can't mess with them.  B Perhaps the future is really in synching PDAs via central wireless> gateways instead of allowing them to plug into your office PC.  A Is this issue exagerated, or will it really devlop into a serious 	 problem ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:57:55 -0600  From: <wob96@yahoo.com> " Subject: MAKE utility for openVMS?3 Message-ID: <dlga0u$sbt$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>    Hi,   G I'm looking a MAKE utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone  0 please tell me where I can get it? Thanks a lot!   Owen     ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:44:03 GMT  From: "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com>& Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?> Message-ID: <nnQef.13942$BZ5.10899@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>  # <wob96@yahoo.com> wrote in message  - news:dlga0u$sbt$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu...  > Hi,  > I > I'm looking a MAKE utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone  2 > please tell me where I can get it? Thanks a lot! >  > Owen > % In truth, you really don't need MAKE.  Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:43:48 +0000 + From: Tim E Sneddon <tesneddon@bigpond.com> & Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?J Message-ID: <1132188228.1a9cdfba73b62c08e87217c75667cf7b@fe5.teranews.com>   wob96@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi,  > I > I'm looking a MAKE utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone  2 > please tell me where I can get it? Thanks a lot!   There are a few:  I   o. MMS - a make like utility from DEC/Compaq/HP that is part of DECset.              This one costs money.  M            See: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html   J   o. MMK - MadGoat Make. This is a free, MMS compatible make utility. IMHO-            it is a whole lot better that MMS.   &            See: http://www.madgoat.com  )   o. gmake - This is part of GNV toolset.   @              See: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/GNV.html  K   o. pmake - Did have a copy of this, but don't think I ever used it. There H              are binaries at the address below, don't know about sources=              though. It seems to be used to build Tcl on VMS.   >              See: ftp://sapodilla.rsmas.miami.edu/pub/VMS-tcl/  J   o. Jam - Although not a 'make' as such it is quite a powerful build toolH            along the same lines as 'make'. From what I understand CA use$            this for building INGRES.  4            See: http://www.perforce.com/jam/jam.html  K   o. Ant - Once again, not really a make, but listed for completeness. This L            is used for building Java stuff. Can be found within NetBeans and             as part of CSWS_JAVA.  T            See: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_java.htmlH                 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/%                 http://ant.apache.org   T I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones I have exposure to. I believe that$ there may be others on the Freeware.   Hope this was helpful.  
 Regards, Tim.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:49:05 -0600 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> 0 Subject: Re: Making iso file from VMS install CD5 Message-ID: <slrndnn6q1.r89.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   o In article <1132173687.645954.211560@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, rcyoung <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com> wrote: D > Does anyone know if this approach would work under Mac OS/X? It isF > basically unix "under the hood", but it does some things differentlyG > with the device files. For example, there is no /dev/cdrom that I can  > tell.   E For MacOS X, you'd have to determine the name of your CDROM device if 7 you want to do the dd via the CLI -- e.g. disk1s0, etc.   3 Otherwise, you can use Disk Utility to do the copy.   = Make sure you don't use the DMG format... that's a Mac thing.   F Use the 'CD Image' format; it will name the file with a .cdr extensionG by default. You can then rename the .cdr file to whatever name you like  and burn it on any machine.    -Dan   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 12:41:27 -0800, From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>0 Subject: Re: Making iso file from VMS install CDC Message-ID: <1132173687.645954.211560@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   B Does anyone know if this approach would work under Mac OS/X? It isD basically unix "under the hood", but it does some things differentlyE with the device files. For example, there is no /dev/cdrom that I can  tell.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 11:00:15 -0800% From: "RJDurkee" <RJDurkee@yahoo.com> ! Subject: Need help with C program C Message-ID: <1132167615.398744.159880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   F I am doing a project on a old 6.2 VMS system and I need help writing aB C program that will convert a date formatted like this "5-MAR-2000F 05:35:30.25" into the number of nanoseconds since the beginning of VMS9 time - Nov. 17, 1858, which would be formatted like this:  44589513302500000.D I have looked in this user group and there some C programs buried inF the messages that do similar to what I want, but every time I copy oneG and try to get it to work, I get errors and I don't know enough about C C to know how to fix them, and don't plan on learning C, as this is a @ one-time project and I will never need it again. But having this6 snippet of code will make the project go a lot faster.& Thanks to any adventurous programmers. Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 13:14:42 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: Need help with C program 3 Message-ID: <LZWc9e67Uftp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <1132167615.398744.159880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "RJDurkee" <RJDurkee@yahoo.com> writes: H > I am doing a project on a old 6.2 VMS system and I need help writing aD > C program that will convert a date formatted like this "5-MAR-2000H > 05:35:30.25" into the number of nanoseconds since the beginning of VMS; > time - Nov. 17, 1858, which would be formatted like this:  > 44589513302500000.F > I have looked in this user group and there some C programs buried inH > the messages that do similar to what I want, but every time I copy oneI > and try to get it to work, I get errors and I don't know enough about C E > to know how to fix them, and don't plan on learning C, as this is a 2 > one-time project and I will never need it again.  B I would strongly suggest programming it in a language you do know.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 11:28:37 -0800% From: "RJDurkee" <RJDurkee@yahoo.com> % Subject: Re: Need help with C program C Message-ID: <1132169317.417169.163200@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   A C is the only compiler we have, and the only reason we have it is C because one of the applications installed on the system needs it. I F have done no programming on the system except DCL programming, which IG am very familiar with. If what I want to do can be done using only DCL,  let me know. Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:18:46 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>% Subject: Re: Need help with C program / Message-ID: <437B4DD6.31790.164CA3CA@localhost>   ( On 16 Nov 2005 at 11:00, RJDurkee wrote:I > But having this snippet of code will make the project go a lot faster.    @ Send or post what you have, and I'll you.  Should be one system  service call...     
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:54:53 GMT  From: "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com>% Subject: Re: Need help with C program = Message-ID: <NUNef.29069$6e1.2074@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   1 "RJDurkee" <RJDurkee@yahoo.com> wrote in message  = news:1132167615.398744.159880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... G >I am doing a project on a old 6.2 VMS system and I need help writing a D > C program that will convert a date formatted like this "5-MAR-2000H > 05:35:30.25" into the number of nanoseconds since the beginning of VMS; > time - Nov. 17, 1858, which would be formatted like this:  > 44589513302500000.F > I have looked in this user group and there some C programs buried inH > the messages that do similar to what I want, but every time I copy oneI > and try to get it to work, I get errors and I don't know enough about C E > to know how to fix them, and don't plan on learning C, as this is a B > one-time project and I will never need it again. But having this8 > snippet of code will make the project go a lot faster.( > Thanks to any adventurous programmers. > Rich > J People who can help you probably need to know whether you have the VAX  C  compiler or the DEC C one. Jim    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:03:43 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: Need help with C program , Message-ID: <437BBACA.39ACAB0D@teksavvy.com>   RJDurkee wrote:  > H > I am doing a project on a old 6.2 VMS system and I need help writing aD > C program that will convert a date formatted like this "5-MAR-2000H > 05:35:30.25" into the number of nanoseconds since the beginning of VMS; > time - Nov. 17, 1858, which would be formatted like this:  > 44589513302500000.  - first step is to convert this to binary form:      #include <descrip>       char date_char[20];  unsigned int date_bin[2] ; int status;   $ $DESCRIPTOR(date_char_desc,"dummy");  + strcpy("5-MAR-2000 05:35:30.25",date_char); 0 date_char_desc.dsc$w_length = strlen(date_char);) date_char_desc.dsc$a_pointer = date_char;     4 status = SYS$BINTIM(&date_char_desc, &date_bin[0] );    % With VAXC, you could have simply said 5 $DESCRIPTOR(date_char_desc,"5-MAR-2000 05:35:30.25"); E But DECC is fussy about this and for some reason $BINTIM requires the G buffer to be writeable (even though it doesn't write to it, so you must 1 copy the string constant to non-constant buffer).   F What this does is get you a 64 bit number stored in 2 32-bit integers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:42:40 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: Need help with C program 0 Message-ID: <11nnrfsf1i9e363@corp.supernews.com>   RJDurkee wrote: C > C is the only compiler we have, and the only reason we have it is E > because one of the applications installed on the system needs it. I H > have done no programming on the system except DCL programming, which II > am very familiar with. If what I want to do can be done using only DCL,  > let me know. > Rich >   D Slightly wrong.  You also have Macro-32.  Still, you'd need to be a ; decent Macro-32 programmer, or it's probably harder than C.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:46:46 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: Need help with C program 0 Message-ID: <11nnrnkk6shb4dd@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > RJDurkee wrote:  > H >>I am doing a project on a old 6.2 VMS system and I need help writing aD >>C program that will convert a date formatted like this "5-MAR-2000H >>05:35:30.25" into the number of nanoseconds since the beginning of VMS; >>time - Nov. 17, 1858, which would be formatted like this:  >>44589513302500000. >  > / > first step is to convert this to binary form:  >  >  > #include <descrip> >  >  >  > char date_char[20];   D Not that I enjoy reading C code, but why the extra longword?  I had E assumed that you'd use 1 for a lower bound, until I see use of array   element 0 below.  + I really shouldn't be picky for a Q&D, huh?    > unsigned int date_bin[2] ;
 > int status;  > & > $DESCRIPTOR(date_char_desc,"dummy"); > - > strcpy("5-MAR-2000 05:35:30.25",date_char); 2 > date_char_desc.dsc$w_length = strlen(date_char);+ > date_char_desc.dsc$a_pointer = date_char;  >  > 6 > status = SYS$BINTIM(&date_char_desc, &date_bin[0] ); >  > ' > With VAXC, you could have simply said 7 > $DESCRIPTOR(date_char_desc,"5-MAR-2000 05:35:30.25"); G > But DECC is fussy about this and for some reason $BINTIM requires the I > buffer to be writeable (even though it doesn't write to it, so you must 3 > copy the string constant to non-constant buffer).  > H > What this does is get you a 64 bit number stored in 2 32-bit integers.     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:08:48 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: Need help with C program , Message-ID: <437BF42D.42D22B6C@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > > char date_char[20];  > @ > Not that I enjoy reading C code, but why the extra longword?    C Actually, it should really be char date_char[24]. A date-time is 23 J characters long  (with an extra byte for the dreaded null character in C).  E BTW, did you break your Z key in anger trying to type my name ??? ;-)  :-) :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:41:37 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>G Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium < Message-ID: <B3Lef.15468$375.6794@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Mark Berryman wrote:   > G > The following was part of the keynote address announcing Microsoft's  D > strategy at IT Forum 2005.  Note, particularly, the last sentence.  H After a bit of hunting I'm guessing this is the speech by Bob Muglia? - A although I still can't find a transcript. The announcement I was   referring to was by Bob Kelly [ http://news.com.com/Microsoft+makes+its+way+to+64-bit+chips/2100-1012_3-5953714.html?tag=nl I "Longhorn Server R2 and a small-business edition of Longhorn Server will  H be available only for x86-compatible 64-bit chips as well the company's H Centro mid-market bundle. Longhorn server is expected to be released in ; 2007 and the R2 follow-up could come two years after that."   H Despite the bit at the end about Itanium being the "platform of choice" G I still can't see Bob Muglia actually contradicting Bob Kelly. In fact  H it looks as if the words were chosen carefully to suggest that R2 would F be on Itanic *if you wanted to read it that way*. It's definitely not  what it says though.  E > "As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been  I > delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly  I > released SQL Server 2005, Visual Studio 2005 and Virtual Server 2005  C > R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit  I > computing, products including Microsoft Exchange Server 12, Windows  I > Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server Longhorn Small Business  J > Server, and Microsofts infrastructure solution for midsize businesses, H > code-named Centro, will be exclusively 64-bit and optimized for x64 G > hardware. In a future update release to Microsofts upcoming Windows  K > Server Longhorn operating system, code-named Windows Server Longhorn  J > R2, customers will see the complete transition to 64-bit-only hardware, K > while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit application compatibility.  K > For the highest-scale application and database workloads, Windows Server  I > on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier choice  # > for customers for years to come."   I So taking both together I still think MS announced that Longhorn will be  H the last version of Windows for Itanium despite the misdirection at the G end of Muglia's speech. Probably inserted just to keep HP slighly less   unhappy.     > Mark Berryman    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Nov 2005 19:52:16 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)G Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium + Message-ID: <3u1gvgFtl0lkU1@individual.net>   < In article <25Lef.15483$375.6535@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,+ 	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > E >> So, what does that leave to run on Itanium?  HP-UX, VMS and Linux? E >> Is there really enough business from these three to keep that chip 	 >> going?  > ; > Oh to be a fly on the wall in talks between Intel and HP.   C What would there be to hear?  If it is true that MS is not going to D support Itanium there is no reason for Intel to continue developmentA or even the manufacture of it.  Time to cut their losses and hope A the hit on their stock isn't too bad when the Casino Analysts get ? done with them.  What can HP offer?  Donate the several billion 7 dollars they Intel has already flushed on this project?    bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 16 Nov 2005 12:15:59 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>G Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium C Message-ID: <1132172159.504224.115170@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:  E > What would there be to hear?  If it is true that MS is not going to F > support Itanium there is no reason for Intel to continue developmentC > or even the manufacture of it.  Time to cut their losses and hope C > the hit on their stock isn't too bad when the Casino Analysts get A > done with them.  What can HP offer?  Donate the several billion 9 > dollars they Intel has already flushed on this project?   F Although HP had great hopes for Windows on Itanium, in reality it onlyB ever accounted for maybe 20% of sales at peak IIRC. HP-UX, VMS andG Linux already account for the vast majority of Itanium sales. I believe C the number of Windows sales has fallen very significantly in recent C months but I don't know if there's any hard estimates from analysts G yet. If I had to guess it may be under 5% by now. Maybe someone from HP  can correct me if I'm wrong.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:41:34 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> G Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium + Message-ID: <437BB59C.789268D@teksavvy.com>    Mark Berryman wrote:J > For the highest-scale application and database workloads, Windows ServerH > on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier choice# > for customers for years to come."     G That statement would equally apply to a plan to widthdraw IA64 by 2007. A It is still 2 years away. And it also doesn't mean that Microsoft H continues to develop and release new versions of Windows and its apps onD that IA64 thing. Only means that what is currently available on IA64+ will continue to run on big iron for years.   H This statement was far more related to the death of the 32 bit 8086 withD Microsoft now focusing on 64 bit 8086. I think the last sentence was@ more to do about Microsoft separating this announcement from itsD previous IA64 announcements (eg: this announcement has nothing to do with IA64).   D When microsoft unleashed Windows 95, it required many people upgrade= their hardware. And that created a great cycle for the wintel C manufacturers. This announcement will probably do the same. And the = wintel makers will now quickjly gear up 64 bit only hardware.   ( The writing is still on the wall though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:43:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> G Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium , Message-ID: <437BB5FF.9AA861FD@teksavvy.com>   Alan Greig wrote: H > It should be noted that even Windows Server 2003 R2 has not been givenG > an Itanic release never mind Longhorn R2. The wording "continue to be J > the premier choice for customers" is open to a degree of interpretation.   No. It is quite simple.   G "IF you run application X or Y, then IA64 is still the biggest iron you E can get for it". For all other applications, they exist only on 8086.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:48:02 -0800 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>F Subject: Re: Video card Digital PCI ZLXp-L1 compatibility with OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <dlgk03$11m$1@news01.intel.com>    pbritto wrote:C > I think I've got Open3D licensed, but I still get the message "no I > graphics device found", once someone told me to SET WINDOW_STATE = 1, I , > did but still the DECWindow not starting.   = That would've been me, but your description is inaccurate and A likely shows a lack of the required understanding.  Step by step:   < 1) I am referring to the SYSGEN parameter WINDOW_SYSTEM (not+     "WINDOWS_STATE", which does not exist).   ; 2) You need to show us the current value of that parameter. ,     When the booted, at the DCL prompt type:  - 	$ write sys$output f$getsyi("window_system")   B     and tell us what it shows.  On one of our workstation systems,
     I get:  0 ------------------------------------------------, $ write sys$output f$getsyi("window_system") 1  $ 0 ------------------------------------------------  < 3) If your WINDOW_SYSTEM setting is something different, you     need to 6 	(a) edit SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT and add a line that              reads:    		WINDOW_SYSTEM = 1   " 	(b) save the file (obviously :-),   	(c) execute AUTOGEN like so:   . 	    $ @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams   	(d) reboot the system.   ; 4) When the system reboots, you should recheck the value of 1     WINDOW_SYSTEM to confirm the change you made.      	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:22:40 -0500 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: VMS memory management0 Message-ID: <11nn587kj2kkv80@corp.supernews.com>  D "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:437b4f90$1@news.langstoeger.at...E > In article <1132143104.113248.68440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,   > tuza_mitra@yahoo.com writes:J >>we are facing memory problems in our uniface application running on VMS.3 >>Can you pls tell me what can be possible reasons?  > - > SYSGEN or UAF quota parameters most likely.  > A >>What are the commands and tools to monitor memory usage on VMS?  > L > Besides the usual recommendations (SHOW MEMORY, SHOW PROCESS/ALL/IDENT=...L > and ACCOUNTING/FULL/SINCE/IDENT=...) I would recommend AVAILMAN (or AMDS).I > You can download it (after a survey) from here (license is included in   > VMS) > ; > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/availman/  > . >>To add some more details about the problem - >>F >>we are using Uniface 7206 with service pack 601 or 604 on VMS 7.3-2.I >>Once the application starts running, the user is thrown out (comes out)  >>K >>of it in 1 or 2 hours due to 'out of memory' or 'process quota exceeded'   >>...  >  > Sounds like a memory leak.E > Better contact the ISV to check for a patch to Uniface in addition.  >   
 I second that   J You can check the accounting file (account/full/id=) for your process and 8 determine how much memory it was using, that could help./ --> look at Peak working set and Peak page file   E Also check the process as it is running with show proc/accounting/id= " --> Look for Peak working set sizeM If it's growing steadily, memory leak problem (keeps on requesting some more   and never releases it)   Syltrem    > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atI > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:40:24 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Watchdog 0 Message-ID: <11nnrbls86bmp28@corp.supernews.com>   nospam@nohost.no.net wrote: H > Excuse my ignorance, I've searched around for information on Watchdog 5 > but what I find seems to be of 1995 vintage or so.   > H > I'm interested in the freeware version for running on both VAXs using G > VMS6.2 and Alphas running 7.1 as well as the latest VMS versions. Is  C > there a version around that will meet these requirements and can  2 > hopefully be recompiled under C, C++ or FORTRAN. > 	 > Thanks.  >  >   H So what's wrong with 1995?  Plenty of earlier software still running on H VMS.  (This ain't windoz.)  Unless the software uses something that has @ changed and is not upward compatable (rare) it shold still work.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:06:49 -0500 , From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com>H Subject: Re: Where to locate ECU diskette for 2100 & 2100A Alphaservers?7 Message-ID: <1132193369_1045@spool6-east.superfeed.net>    I put them in driverguide.com  rtt $ <mb301@hotmail.com> wrote in message= news:1132039747.208425.102580@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... I > Have ECU v1.11a windows nt and OpenVMS & Unix diskette, can zip them up  > and mail them to u.  >  >       Q ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.641 ************************