1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 18 Nov 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 643       Contents:* ANN: New freeware - GBLSEC_SDA and MAILSYM Re: C 6.4 for Vax savesets?  Configuring MSA disks for VMS  Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? Re: Gadgets and office security 8 Re: How can I tell if OPEN3D is installed in my machine?
 HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials  Re: HP Financials * Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake.* Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake.* Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake.* Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake.* Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake.* Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake. Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?  Re: Microvax image to simh?  Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program Re: Need help with C program> Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium> Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium> Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium" Re: rx2620 DECWindows reinit hang?" Re: rx2620 DECWindows reinit hang?" Re: rx2620 DECWindows reinit hang?F Re: SN-PBXGB-AA  POWERSTORM 3D30 GRAPHICS compatibility with DECWindowF Re: SN-PBXGB-AA  POWERSTORM 3D30 GRAPHICS compatibility with DECWindowP Re: TASK can't run SEARCH (was Re: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECTP Re: TASK can't run SEARCH (was Re: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECTH The ZLXp-L1 Card doesn't seem to be compatible with my video, I am stuckL Re: The ZLXp-L1 Card doesn't seem to be compatible with my video, I am stuck" Re: Unable to Boot Firmware CD-ROM VMS to Tivoli TEC  Re: VMS to Tivoli TEC  Re: VMS to Tivoli TEC   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 17:34:18 -0800 From: goathunter@goatley.com3 Subject: ANN: New freeware - GBLSEC_SDA and MAILSYM B Message-ID: <1132277658.553652.97450@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  B The following new packages have been added to my freeware archive:     gblsec_sda.zip  C   Description: SDA extension to display info about a global section ;                  including which processes are mapped to it    Version: V1.0 /   Author: Ian Miller <miller@encompasserve.org>    Architecture: AXP,IA64   Size: 181 blocks
   Language: C ,   URL: http://www.encompasserve.org/~miller/   Released: 17-NOV-2005   
   mailsym.zip   ?   Description: Symbiont for mailing files to yourself via PRINT    Version: V2.0 :   Author: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@isc.politie.nl>   Architecture: VAX,AXP,I64    Size: 15 blocks 
   Language: C    URL:   Released: 2-NOV-2005   http://www.process.com/openvms/   , ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/1 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/   ( ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/- http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/    And on the other mirrors soon.     --   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:38:34 +0000 K From: "tesneddon(at)nojunk.bigpond.com" <"tesneddon(at)nojunk.bigpond.com"> $ Subject: Re: C 6.4 for Vax savesets?J Message-ID: <1132274314.d2e71a31b030275a6385f286800723d1@fe5.teranews.com>   John E. Malmberg wrote: I > The other major transition was from VAX C to DEC C, with DEC having an  D > optional /VAXC mode where when set, the compiler will ignore some 1 > programming errors that ANSI requires flagging.  > @ > And I would recommend not using /VAXC setting because of that.  M I'm not at my VAX to test it, but I'm pretty sure that /VAXC actually invokes I the VAX C compiler (provided it was installed when installing DEC C). Are - you thinking of the /STANDARD=VAXC qualifier?   
 Regards, Tim.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 17:14:22 -0800( From: "jpl" <jim.lahman@mittalsteel.com>& Subject: Configuring MSA disks for VMSC Message-ID: <1132276462.386960.222030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D I added three new disks to my MSA1000 (It has already a set of threeG disks - thus now it has six disks)).  I created a unit to contain these C disks as a RAID 1 w/spare.  However, when I restart the AlphaServer D DS25 (VMS 7.3-2), it still sees the original three disks and not the new set.  E The documentation for setting the MSA1000 with a VMS server is pretty  lacking.   Does anyone have any hints.    Thanks,    Jim    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 14:24:03 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? 3 Message-ID: <LvjPhVMMumFl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <dlgfc6$tlc$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>, <wob96@yahoo.com> writes:  > Hi,  > E > I'm looking f2c utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone N > please tell me where I can get it (the one at netlib doesn't seem to work), 4 > or could you send me Appha binaries? Thanks a lot! >   D    UNIX based f2c doesn't work well on VMS because UNIX and VMS have8    different interpretations of OPEN keywords like RECL.  B    I did recompile the gnu f2c and work-around this once.  Why notC    get a real Fortran compiler?  f2c was bsed on Fortran-77 (pretty A    old now), and even it's authors contend you should not attempt ,    to read or maintain the resulting C code.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:19:46 -0600  From: <wob96@yahoo.com> # Subject: Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? 3 Message-ID: <dlis5b$idg$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>   J Thanks, I'm porting a legacy Fortran-77 program to Linux, and the program M uses some OpenVMS specific bindings and hard to migrate, so I hope to see if   I can get it into C...  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:LvjPhVMMumFl@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <dlgfc6$tlc$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>, <wob96@yahoo.com> 	 > writes:  >> Hi, >>F >> I'm looking f2c utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someoneH >> please tell me where I can get it (the one at netlib doesn't seem to 	 >> work), 5 >> or could you send me Appha binaries? Thanks a lot!  >> > E >   UNIX based f2c doesn't work well on VMS because UNIX and VMS have 9 >   different interpretations of OPEN keywords like RECL.  > C >   I did recompile the gnu f2c and work-around this once.  Why not D >   get a real Fortran compiler?  f2c was bsed on Fortran-77 (prettyB >   old now), and even it's authors contend you should not attempt- >   to read or maintain the resulting C code.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Nov 2005 22:01:19 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? + Message-ID: <3u4ctfFvckskU2@individual.net>   3 In article <dlis5b$idg$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>,  	<wob96@yahoo.com> writes:L > Thanks, I'm porting a legacy Fortran-77 program to Linux, and the program O > uses some OpenVMS specific bindings and hard to migrate, so I hope to see if   > I can get it into C... >   F F2C is not going to fix that.  It will merely translate the same calls/ into C calls to the same VMS specific routines.   ? How big is this program?  What does it do?  I haven't done much ? Fortran in a long time (has anybody?) but I might be willing to  take a look at it for you.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:47:05 -0600  From: <wob96@yahoo.com> # Subject: Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? 3 Message-ID: <dlj4ph$kja$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>   G Hi Bill, thanks for your kindness. The parts of the program I'm having  L trouble with are some plot routines with X11.. It's not big, but everything K seems so different from things on Linux --- I dont know much about VMS and  G VMS fortran, so I hope converting it into C would make things a little  : easier to update.. Anyway, I've emailed the code to you...  6 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:3u4ctfFvckskU2@individual.net... 5 > In article <dlis5b$idg$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>,  > <wob96@yahoo.com> writes: L >> Thanks, I'm porting a legacy Fortran-77 program to Linux, and the programM >> uses some OpenVMS specific bindings and hard to migrate, so I hope to see   >> if  >> I can get it into C...  >> > H > F2C is not going to fix that.  It will merely translate the same calls1 > into C calls to the same VMS specific routines.  > A > How big is this program?  What does it do?  I haven't done much A > Fortran in a long time (has anybody?) but I might be willing to  > take a look at it for you. >  > bill >  > --  L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |A > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>     ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 19:58:25 -0800* From: "S7Solutions" <manju.m.s7@gmail.com># Subject: Re: f2c for openVMS Alpha? B Message-ID: <1132286305.228698.24040@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  
 Hello Bob,  B using f2c or anyother programs wont get too further from our [S7 -B www.s7solutions.com] experience but definately helps as a startingG point. We @S7 specialize in migrating/porting legacy code to new OS and F new compilers and to linux is what we do everyday :-) We have internal? tools [a suite of tools called - "Linux it"] which helps us the B probability of porting, approximate estimate of man hours and thenG actually port it. Please do contact us for further info and we can help  you port seamlessly.  ! Looking forward for your response  Best Regards Manju   0 *** CUSTOMER comes FIRST, come what may ********   Manjunath M  S7 Software Solutions Pvt. Ltd. + #83 Railway Parallel Road, Kumara Park West  Bangalore - 560020, India  Telephone: +91-80-51526777 Fax:            +91-80-2334135   2936 173rd CT NE Redmond, WA 98052, USA Telephone: (425) 867 1457  Fax: (425) 883 2597  Toll Free: 1-888-224-6174   ' Yahoo messenger ID: s7softwaresolutions ' MSN messenger ID: manjum_s7@hotmail.com  Skype ID: s7softwaresolutions    http://www.s7solutions.com  / "Redefining cross-platform porting & migration"   0 ************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:23:24 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ( Subject: Re: Gadgets and office security0 Message-ID: <11nppkrcvt0om12@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:. > In article <437BEC7A.9DCF1689@teksavvy.com>,2 > 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > f >>http://news.com.com/Employee+gadgets+pose+security+risk+to+companies/2100-1029_3-5954642.html?tag=nl >>J >>It is an article on how dangerous all the gadgets people bring to officeG >>can be to office security since they can connect directly into office O >>PCs and bypass corporate firewalls. (MP3 players, Ipods, PDAs, smart phones).  >> >>H >>For secure applications, one now REALLY needs thin clients (aka: smartG >>terminals) without any plugs so that employees can't mess with them.   >  > A > I was just looking at the specs for a bunch of thin clients and @ > all of them had ports (USB, serial, parallel) available to the0 > user so I guess they aren't the answer either. >  > D >>Perhaps the future is really in synching PDAs via central wireless@ >>gateways instead of allowing them to plug into your office PC. >  > B > And this solves the problem how?  Any device that can comunicate> > with another device can infect it.  The method by which they > communicate is not important.  >  > C >>Is this issue exagerated, or will it really devlop into a serious  >>problem ?  >  > @ > It already is.  Real secure environemnts don't allow people toA > plug any device into their environment that they don't control. ? > I even know places where you can't even bring foreign devices ? > into the building.  If you do, they don't leave when you do!!   G That doesn't help if their purpose was to bring something in, not take   something out.   > bill >      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:02:33 -0500 , From: Carl Friedberg <frida.fried@gmail.com>A Subject: Re: How can I tell if OPEN3D is installed in my machine? I Message-ID: <890539d90511171102v57636cbfm9d2c84b6ecead629@mail.gmail.com>   ; > is that the right way to find out if OPEN3D is installed? < If a product is installed (successfully) using the VMSINSTAL7 procedure, there will be a record written into the file    sys$update:vmsinstal.history  ? You can type out that file to get the list of all installations . using VMSINSTAL, or use the vms SEARCH utility2 to locate the record you want, e.g. something like  , $ SEARCH SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY OPEN3D   HTH    Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:11:45 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: HP Financials= Message-ID: <lm6ff.48011$Es4.35866@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   = Webcast starts at 5pm eastern but the results are online now.    ====B http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/quarters/2005/q4.html Enterprise Storage and Servers  G Enterprise Storage and Servers (ESS) reported revenue of $4.5 billion,  > up 10% over the prior-year period. On a year-over-year basis, B industry-standard server revenue increased 12%, networked storage H revenue grew 17% and business-critical systems revenue declined 1%. ESS E reported an operating profit of $405 million, or 9.1% of revenue, up  E from a profit of $100 million, or 2.5% of revenue, in the prior-year   period.  ======  A "Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 13:22:33 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: HP FinancialsC Message-ID: <1132262553.716590.107010@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C > "Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins.   , Buit this is all the financial analysts see:   4:11 PM ET, 11/17/2005   BREAKINGE NEWS 	Hewlett Packard reports Q4 earnings well ahead of expectations, ; excluding charges. Revenues also beat forecasts. More soon.   D Expect HP to let "business critical" continue to fade away. And push X64 at everyone else.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 14:16:10 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: HP FinancialsC Message-ID: <1132265770.842040.254810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Alan Greig wrote:  > C > "Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins.   " Continuing the running commentary.  G "Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset ; by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd.   ( Can't get much blunter than that really. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:36:55 -0500 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: HP FinancialsG Message-ID: <bvSdnaxnCIaUm-DenZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@metrocastcablevision.com>    Alan Greig wrote:  > Alan Greig wrote:  > C >>"Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins.  >  > $ > Continuing the running commentary. > I > "Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset = > by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd.  > * > Can't get much blunter than that really.   Nope.   I Now, if Itanic really *is* generating noticeable Windows (though perhaps  I not for much longer, given current Microsoft's apparent lack of interest  C in the platform) and Linux sales, that means that Itanic is coming  B *nowhere near* picking up the PA-RISC and Alpha slack that it was F supposed to.  It's understandable that a lot of Tru64 people may have G dumped HP entirely, but that isn't likely to account for nearly all of  I the discrepancy:  sounds as if VMS sales are about as dead as predicted,  H and even HP-UX doesn't seem to be immune (despite presumably picking up & some percentage of the Tru64 orphans).   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Nov 2005 23:01:19 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP Financials+ Message-ID: <3u4gdvFuc9mlU1@individual.net>   C In article <1132265770.842040.254810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, - 	"Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  > Alan Greig wrote:  >>D >> "Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins. > $ > Continuing the running commentary. > I > "Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset = > by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd.  > * > Can't get much blunter than that really.  > Especially after the recent news releases regarding the future potential of Itanium.      bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 15:04:35 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: HP FinancialsC Message-ID: <1132268675.120155.134140@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bill Todd wrote:   > J > Now, if Itanic really *is* generating noticeable Windows (though perhapsJ > not for much longer, given current Microsoft's apparent lack of interestD > in the platform) and Linux sales, that means that Itanic is comingC > *nowhere near* picking up the PA-RISC and Alpha slack that it was G > supposed to.  It's understandable that a lot of Tru64 people may have H > dumped HP entirely, but that isn't likely to account for nearly all ofJ > the discrepancy:  sounds as if VMS sales are about as dead as predicted,I > and even HP-UX doesn't seem to be immune (despite presumably picking up ( > some percentage of the Tru64 orphans).  D A couple of analysts have said they're slightly surprised EnterpriseD Systems (excepting business critical) did so well on the whole. HurdB replied: "I wish I could give you a crisp answer". I wonder if theG "crisp answer" is "Opteron" and the volume of systems the ISSG group is G selling. Looks like quite profitably so as well. Just grabbed this from  the pdf.    ESS revenue of $4.5B, up 10% Y/Y =B7 Operating profit of $405M; 9=2E1% of revenue 0 =B7 ISS revenue up 12% Y/Y; blade revenue up 65%( =B7 BCS revenue down 1% Y/Y; HP-UX up 1%4 =B7 Integrity revenue up 70% Y/Y; 25% of BCS revenue4 =B7 NSS revenue up 17% Y/Y; mid-range storage arrays* (EVA) up 44%; high-end storage (XP) up 32% Q4 FY05 revenue by GBU  ) HP-UX mentioned but not NSK or VMS I see.  --=20 
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 15:29:45 -0800* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: HP FinancialsC Message-ID: <1132270185.020185.309830@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   6 > =B7 NSS revenue up 17% Y/Y; mid-range storage arrays, > (EVA) up 44%; high-end storage (XP) up 32% > Q4 FY05 revenue by GBU > + > HP-UX mentioned but not NSK or VMS I see.   C Sorry NSS up 17%. No Windows on Integrity  or Linux figures though.  --=20 
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:59:49 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: HP Financials, Message-ID: <437D2779.FEB4D2D8@teksavvy.com>   Alan Greig wrote: I > "Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset = > by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd.     C Hey, this is quite positive !!! They actually mentioned Alpha !!!!!   Quite an improvement :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:47:01 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP Financials0 Message-ID: <11nqg428vqap2b5@corp.supernews.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  > Alan Greig wrote:  > C >>"Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins.  >  > $ > Continuing the running commentary. > I > "Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset = > by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd.  > * > Can't get much blunter than that really.  D Well, when you go to the pet store for a canary, do you buy the one > laying on the bottom of the cage, feet sticking up in the air?   And not moving?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:49:26 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP Financials0 Message-ID: <11nqg8jfd78i247@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Todd wrote: > Alan Greig wrote:  >  >> Alan Greig wrote: >>E >>> "Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins.  >> >> >>% >> Continuing the running commentary.  >>J >> "Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset> >> by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd. >>+ >> Can't get much blunter than that really.  >  >  > Nope.  > K > Now, if Itanic really *is* generating noticeable Windows (though perhaps  K > not for much longer, given current Microsoft's apparent lack of interest  E > in the platform) and Linux sales, that means that Itanic is coming  D > *nowhere near* picking up the PA-RISC and Alpha slack that it was H > supposed to.  It's understandable that a lot of Tru64 people may have I > dumped HP entirely, but that isn't likely to account for nearly all of  K > the discrepancy:  sounds as if VMS sales are about as dead as predicted,  J > and even HP-UX doesn't seem to be immune (despite presumably picking up ( > some percentage of the Tru64 orphans). >  > - bill  I Well, pure speculation, but it could be HP-UX that's taking a real dive.  F   Since it's suppost to be much larger than VMS, it should be the one 6 driving the itanic, and if the itanic is lagging .....   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:55:09 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP Financials0 Message-ID: <11nqgjbasklq3d0@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Alan Greig wrote:  > I >>"Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset = >>by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd.  >  >  > E > Hey, this is quite positive !!! They actually mentioned Alpha !!!!! " > Quite an improvement :-) :-) :-)  ' Yeah, dropping thru the basement floor.   A Guess since HP-UX is up 1%, that means VMS is probably dropping.  G Speculation again, best to wait on real numbers, if such would ever be  	 released.   C Have to wonder how long it takes serious shops to convert from one  E system (VMS) to another?  It's been a bit over 4 years now.  Have to  D wonder whether any drop in VMS sales has to do with those who would G normally be upgrading hardware, but are now moving to another platform?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Nov 2005 03:45:02 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP Financials+ Message-ID: <3u511uFvkaieU1@individual.net>   0 In article <11nqg8jfd78i247@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Todd wrote: >> Alan Greig wrote: >>   >>> Alan Greig wrote:  >>> F >>>> "Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins. >>>  >>>  >>> & >>> Continuing the running commentary. >>> K >>> "Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset ? >>> by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd.  >>> , >>> Can't get much blunter than that really. >>   >>   >> Nope. >>  L >> Now, if Itanic really *is* generating noticeable Windows (though perhaps L >> not for much longer, given current Microsoft's apparent lack of interest F >> in the platform) and Linux sales, that means that Itanic is coming E >> *nowhere near* picking up the PA-RISC and Alpha slack that it was  I >> supposed to.  It's understandable that a lot of Tru64 people may have  J >> dumped HP entirely, but that isn't likely to account for nearly all of L >> the discrepancy:  sounds as if VMS sales are about as dead as predicted, K >> and even HP-UX doesn't seem to be immune (despite presumably picking up  ) >> some percentage of the Tru64 orphans).  >>  	 >> - bill  > K > Well, pure speculation, but it could be HP-UX that's taking a real dive.  H >   Since it's suppost to be much larger than VMS, it should be the one 8 > driving the itanic, and if the itanic is lagging ..... >    $ BCS revenue down 1% Y/Y; HP-UX up 1%  E Nope, according to the financials HP-UX is up, not down.  That leaves C NSK and VMS and we know that NSK is pretty much a captive audience.  What's left?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 18 Nov 2005 03:46:56 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP Financials+ Message-ID: <3u515gFvkaieU2@individual.net>   0 In article <11nqg428vqap2b5@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Alan Greig wrote:  >> Alan Greig wrote: >>  D >>>"Business Critical systems revenue declined 1%" and so it begins. >>   >>  % >> Continuing the running commentary.  >>  J >> "Itanium revenue was up 70% over the year but this was more than offset> >> by the decline in sales of PA-RISC and Alpha"  - Mark Hurd. >>  + >> Can't get much blunter than that really.  > F > Well, when you go to the pet store for a canary, do you buy the one @ > laying on the bottom of the cage, feet sticking up in the air? >  > And not moving?    C I don't know about a canary, but if you nail a Parrot's feet to the F perch you can probably get someone to take it.  Even if it is bloomin' demised.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:11:37 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: HP Financials, Message-ID: <437D5461.34D98402@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:J > Well, pure speculation, but it could be HP-UX that's taking a real dive.G >   Since it's suppost to be much larger than VMS, it should be the one 8 > driving the itanic, and if the itanic is lagging .....  H Remmeber that last time I saw a number, IA64 represented still below 20% of revenus for BCS.   C HP-UX, like VMS is still mostly a product that relies on its lagacy . platform (PaRisc for HP-UX and Alpha for VMS).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:46:19 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 3 Subject: Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake. 0 Message-ID: <11npqvo6dpnm87d@corp.supernews.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:C > Palmer offered alpha to all these companies ... alpha already had  > windows betaE > running and with vms and redhat linux, buying alpha would have been  > veryF > smart, but they all bought the itanium pitch and now will suffer ... > meanwhile,I > Palmer is sitting at amd after hosing DEC shareholders and selling some  > key F > alpha technology to amd so they don't get sued, and laughing all the > way to > the bank ... >   D Doesn't it just make you wish some strange accident happened to him?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:38:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake. , Message-ID: <437D2269.AB27C58D@teksavvy.com>   Alan Greig wrote: E > Tell me again guys, just what exactly are you folks paid to do? And J > what's this about HP shifting its weight to Opteron? Has anyone told theG > VMS group? Nope I guess the strategy is still to keep VMS engineering 0 > and customers in the dark until it's too late.    D VMS management should be proactive and seeking the architecture thatC gives VMS the most growth potential. It should not sit down and let  things happen.  G And while HP apologists/employees make serious efforts to support their H employer's publically stated policies, it also gives an image of the VMSE group being naive, complacent and just letting others dictate the VMS F agenda without the VMS group standing up and choosing its own destiny.  D You'd think they would have learned after they were told at the same/ time as the public that Alpha was being killed.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:45:10 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>3 Subject: Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake. , Message-ID: <437d3227$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:437D2269.AB27C58D@teksavvy.com... > Alan Greig wrote: G > > Tell me again guys, just what exactly are you folks paid to do? And L > > what's this about HP shifting its weight to Opteron? Has anyone told theI > > VMS group? Nope I guess the strategy is still to keep VMS engineering 2 > > and customers in the dark until it's too late. >  > F > VMS management should be proactive and seeking the architecture thatE > gives VMS the most growth potential. It should not sit down and let  > things happen. > I > And while HP apologists/employees make serious efforts to support their J > employer's publically stated policies, it also gives an image of the VMSG > group being naive, complacent and just letting others dictate the VMS H > agenda without the VMS group standing up and choosing its own destiny. > F > You'd think they would have learned after they were told at the same1 > time as the public that Alpha was being killed.   H I once got myself in hot water by calling someone a moron in the heat of, discussion.  I won't make the mistake again.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:32:11 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake. , Message-ID: <437D3D1A.9185EB7C@teksavvy.com>   FredK wrote:J > I once got myself in hot water by calling someone a moron in the heat of. > discussion.  I won't make the mistake again.    E If VMS were a standalone subsidiary, and your pension plan and salary H were dependant on the success of VMS alone, would you let HP  prevent itF from growing, marketing and moving to a platform that had the greatest growth potential ?    H Would you let HP restrict VMS to only certain types of niche markets andG prevent you from competing against lower end systems when you know that 1 VMS could make a lot of money in other markets ?    G Would you let HP force you to move VMS to an unpolular platform just to = support a political decision made by HP years and years ago ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:33:31 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 3 Subject: Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake. 0 Message-ID: <11nqfaqp1acet03@corp.supernews.com>   FredK wrote:< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:437D2269.AB27C58D@teksavvy.com... >  >>Alan Greig wrote:  >>F >>>Tell me again guys, just what exactly are you folks paid to do? AndK >>>what's this about HP shifting its weight to Opteron? Has anyone told the H >>>VMS group? Nope I guess the strategy is still to keep VMS engineering1 >>>and customers in the dark until it's too late.  >> >>F >>VMS management should be proactive and seeking the architecture thatE >>gives VMS the most growth potential. It should not sit down and let  >>things happen. >>I >>And while HP apologists/employees make serious efforts to support their J >>employer's publically stated policies, it also gives an image of the VMSG >>group being naive, complacent and just letting others dictate the VMS H >>agenda without the VMS group standing up and choosing its own destiny. >>F >>You'd think they would have learned after they were told at the same1 >>time as the public that Alpha was being killed.  >  > J > I once got myself in hot water by calling someone a moron in the heat of. > discussion.  I won't make the mistake again.   Thanks.  Made my evening.  :-)  G I never understand, no matter how many times I see it, how easily some  ? proclaim that others should defy those who sign their paycheck.   G Strange that some feel that staying up late a few nights could produce  D something as complex as a port of VMS to another architecture.  Not B saying that I wouldn't want to see such.  But I'm aware that such H couldn't happen without VMS people selling it to upper (further up than  VMS) management.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:20:16 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: Illuminata says Itanium was a mistake. , Message-ID: <437D6474.A03271CF@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:H > I never understand, no matter how many times I see it, how easily someA > proclaim that others should defy those who sign their paycheck.     B Can any product be succesful when employees are affraid to suggestF changes  to expand a product's market ? Do you really think that a inkH division employee would be fired for suggesting some changes to businessF practices that would result in long term better profitability ? Do you? think that Microsoft employees fear for their jobs if they make G suggestion to top management on how to better market Windows and how to * improve windows to reach a bigger market ?    E If within VMS, making such moves causes people to be scared of losing G their jobs, then there is something very wrong even if in reality there C is no such danger. The end result is that VMS management don't dare % change anything and not lead the way.   D Call me what you want. Moron, stupid etc. VMS had marketing problemsB under Olsen. It had under Palmer, It had under Curly, it had underC Carly, it has under Hurd.  As a result, VMS is considered "dead" or G "also ran" in the public's mind. Being on 1 totally dead platform (VAX) G and 2 dying platforms (Alpha and IA64) doesn't help. It needs marketing F and a move to a viable platform in order to regain market credibility.  D Now that Solaris is firmly on 64 bit 8086s, do you hear constant FUDF about Solaris going away ?  Sun may phase out Sparc in the medium termB as the 8086 scales up, but with SOlaris on the 8086, it has a firm? foundation. (Sun only needs to find a good business model now).     E When the Alpha murder was announced with the subsequent HP merger, it H was hoped that once on HP's "strategic" platform, VMS would be marketed.F  It hasn't happened.  So it is clear that unless something is changed,? VMS will continue to be in jeoperdy under HP and not marketed.    H What if VMS management say they are happy with the situation and tell HPG upper management to dismiss the complaints from customers anout lack of I marketing, citing that they only come from a few "moron" trouble makers ?   H Over the years, I have seen one constant from the VMS employees who postE here: they do not think that a marketing campaign would be effective.   F How can we expect VMS to be marketed if VMS management doesn't believe in VMS marketing ?  D If VMS would have greater profits/revenus and market presence on theC 8086, why is it so bloody impossible for HP employees to admit it ? E We're not asking HP to port VMS to IBM platforms or Sun SPARCs. We're H asking to port to HP's own  maintream product, the 8086 based machines. C Why is it a sin to propose to port an HP product to HP's mainstream  hardware platform ?????   D STATUS QUO AND "PLAN OF RECORD" FOR VMS ISN'T WORKING OUT. CHANGE ISD NECESSARY. And I don't mean scaling down the product roadmap. I mean? real change in philosophy of selling and growing VMS within HP.   H With VMS on the 8086, stealing a Windows sale wouldn't negatively impactH HP since HP would still ship an industry standard server and that is howF HP is measured on Wall Street. But right now, any VMS sale on Alpha or6 IA64 deprives HP of an industry standard  server sale.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:59:37 -0600  From: <wob96@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?3 Message-ID: <dliqvj$i3v$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>   I Thank you all you guys!  I've got a GNU Make seemingly working now! Best   wishes to all!  # <wob96@yahoo.com> wrote in message  - news:dlga0u$sbt$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu...  > Hi,  > I > I'm looking a MAKE utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone  2 > please tell me where I can get it? Thanks a lot! >  > Owen >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:02:13 -0600  From: <wob96@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?3 Message-ID: <dlir4f$i8g$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>   A Thank you all, what Bill decribed is exactly the case with me :-)   6 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:3u3mctFvamc8U1@individual.net... 5 > In article <Tur6mkjgopZr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: M >> In article <1132212678.144480.292520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bart  % >> Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes: I >>> This seems to me not a very helpful answer. Could you elaborate a bit  >>> why one doesn't need MAKE? >>K >> Whereas yours seems to me not a very helpful answer, as you do not quote J >> any context regarding "this".  Never assume everybody else's newsreader >> is the same as yours. > * > Whoa....  Cut him a little slack, Larry. > I > He asked for a version of MAKE fro VMS and somebody reply was a simple, D > "You don't need it."  With no alternatives or explanation offered. > G > As he said, not very helpful.  And probably not very accurate either. F > I realize VMS has alternatives, but someone who is not familiar withF > VMS won't know this.  And, if you are already familiar with MAKE andG > don't know any of the VMS equivalent systems it is very likely easier H > to install a version of MAKE than to learn a new system, especially ifE > you are working on what is probably a one up project.  Or, possibly C > the project already has a Makefile which would make MAKE the real ! > correct answer tot he question.  >  > bill >  > --  L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |A > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>     ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 14:56:45 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?3 Message-ID: <q41Jd99emcPA@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3u3mctFvamc8U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:5 > In article <Tur6mkjgopZr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:o >> In article <1132212678.144480.292520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes: I >>> This seems to me not a very helpful answer. Could you elaborate a bit  >>> why one doesn't need MAKE? >>  K >> Whereas yours seems to me not a very helpful answer, as you do not quote J >> any context regarding "this".  Never assume everybody else's newsreader >> is the same as yours. > * > Whoa....  Cut him a little slack, Larry. > I > He asked for a version of MAKE fro VMS and somebody reply was a simple, D > "You don't need it."  With no alternatives or explanation offered.   Who replied in that fashion ?    In what post ?  H That should be given for context.  Posts do not arrive in the same order2 at all newsreaders, and some do not arrive at all.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:28:52 -0600  From: <wob96@yahoo.com> & Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?3 Message-ID: <dlismd$ii2$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu>    Hi Tim,   G Thank you very much for the infomation!  I've got a GNU Make seemingly   working now!   Best wishes,   Owen  9 "Tim E Sneddon" <tesneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message  D news:1132188228.1a9cdfba73b62c08e87217c75667cf7b@fe5.teranews.com... > wob96@yahoo.com wrote: >> Hi, >>J >> I'm looking a MAKE utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone 3 >> please tell me where I can get it? Thanks a lot!  >  > There are a few: > J >  o. MMS - a make like utility from DEC/Compaq/HP that is part of DECset.! >           This one costs money.  >  >           See:  ? > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html  > K >  o. MMK - MadGoat Make. This is a free, MMS compatible make utility. IMHO . >           it is a whole lot better that MMS. > ' >           See: http://www.madgoat.com  > * >  o. gmake - This is part of GNV toolset. > A >             See: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/portability/GNV.html  > L >  o. pmake - Did have a copy of this, but don't think I ever used it. ThereI >             are binaries at the address below, don't know about sources > >             though. It seems to be used to build Tcl on VMS. > ? >             See: ftp://sapodilla.rsmas.miami.edu/pub/VMS-tcl/  > K >  o. Jam - Although not a 'make' as such it is quite a powerful build tool I >           along the same lines as 'make'. From what I understand CA use % >           this for building INGRES.  > 5 >           See: http://www.perforce.com/jam/jam.html  > L >  o. Ant - Once again, not really a make, but listed for completeness. ThisJ >           is used for building Java stuff. Can be found within NetBeans  > and ! >           as part of CSWS_JAVA.  >  >           See:  F > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_java.htmlI >                http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/ & >                http://ant.apache.org > J > I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones I have exposure to. I  > believe that& > there may be others on the Freeware. >  > Hope this was helpful. >  > Regards, Tim.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Nov 2005 21:57:40 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?+ Message-ID: <3u4cmkFvckskU1@individual.net>   3 In article <q41Jd99emcPA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:X > In article <3u3mctFvamc8U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:6 >> In article <Tur6mkjgopZr@eisner.encompasserve.org>,3 >> 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: p >>> In article <1132212678.144480.292520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes:J >>>> This seems to me not a very helpful answer. Could you elaborate a bit >>>> why one doesn't need MAKE?  >>> L >>> Whereas yours seems to me not a very helpful answer, as you do not quoteK >>> any context regarding "this".  Never assume everybody else's newsreader  >>> is the same as yours.  >>  + >> Whoa....  Cut him a little slack, Larry.  >>  J >> He asked for a version of MAKE fro VMS and somebody reply was a simple,E >> "You don't need it."  With no alternatives or explanation offered.  >  > Who replied in that fashion ?      ----------------------------- & Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS? Newsgroups: comp.os.vms # Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:44:03 GMT & Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com From: "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com>    # <wob96@yahoo.com> wrote in message  - news:dlga0u$sbt$1@news-srv1.vanderbilt.edu...  > Hi,  > I > I'm looking a MAKE utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone  2 > please tell me where I can get it? Thanks a lot! >  > Owen > % In truth, you really don't need MAKE.  Jim      ---------------------------- >  > In what post ? > % > That should be given for context.     G Hard to give context when the reply had none.  One line basicly blowing F the guy off.  Not much to be gained quoting that.  And, of course, the, references for the whole thread are there.    I >                                   Posts do not arrive in the same order 4 > at all newsreaders, and some do not arrive at all.  G Any newsserver that doesn't get all the news needs a new administrator. I Order is irrelevant as long as you have all the references to rebuild the E thread, either automatically by the newsreader software or by hand if 6 necessary.  Maybe eisner needs a real newsreader.  :-)  F In any case, people without anything to offer should just hit the nextC button on their news reader.  I would never presume to  assume that D someone who asked for something didn't really need it.  I don't know; about you, but I don't usually ask for things I don't need.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 18:50:07 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?3 Message-ID: <4akoTLVjtRhK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3u4cmkFvckskU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:5 > In article <q41Jd99emcPA@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   >> In what post ?  >>  & >> That should be given for context.   > I > Hard to give context when the reply had none.  One line basicly blowing H > the guy off.  Not much to be gained quoting that.  And, of course, the. > references for the whole thread are there.    L Indicating who posted and what they said should take very little space then.  K > Order is irrelevant as long as you have all the references to rebuild the G > thread, either automatically by the newsreader software or by hand if 8 > necessary.  Maybe eisner needs a real newsreader.  :-)  8 ANUNEWS works quite well when posters follow netiquette.  @ No poster should assume that everyone runs software identical to
 their own.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:35:09 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> & Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?/ Message-ID: <11nqfdqrag5476@corp.supernews.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:X > In article <3u3mctFvamc8U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > 5 >>In article <Tur6mkjgopZr@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 >>	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >>o >>>In article <1132212678.144480.292520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes:  >>> I >>>>This seems to me not a very helpful answer. Could you elaborate a bit  >>>>why one doesn't need MAKE? >>> K >>>Whereas yours seems to me not a very helpful answer, as you do not quote J >>>any context regarding "this".  Never assume everybody else's newsreader >>>is the same as yours. >>* >>Whoa....  Cut him a little slack, Larry. >>I >>He asked for a version of MAKE fro VMS and somebody reply was a simple, D >>"You don't need it."  With no alternatives or explanation offered. >  >  > Who replied in that fashion ?  >  > In what post ? > J > That should be given for context.  Posts do not arrive in the same order4 > at all newsreaders, and some do not arrive at all.  B Got to side with Larry.  If you're addressing something, at least C something of what you're addressing should be included in the post.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:29:39 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)& Subject: Re: MAKE utility for openVMS?; Message-ID: <437d74d3.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>    Z <Z@no.spam> wrote: > Jim wrote:J >>>I'm looking a MAKE utility for openVMS Alpha 7.1 system, could someone 3 >>>please tell me where I can get it? Thanks a lot!  > ( >> In truth, you really don't need MAKE. > J > A fully functional version of make would reduce by days, perhaps weeks, D > the amount of time it takes to build (compile,link) portable code ! > packaged for Unix/Linux on VMS.   H This is what the people behind GNV try to do, as *ix makefiles typicallyJ contain numerous unixisms that make them useless in an environment without5 a *ix shell. "portable"? Only between flavors of *ix.   E And talking about environments, the number of projects I see that use H autoconf/automake grows. And adapting those config.h.in files for VMS is/ sometimes just as bad as tweaking the makefile.   1 So, a unixy make is just one piece of the puzzle.    cu,    Martin --  ;                      | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! . Microsoft's answer   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA to OpenVMS is        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5 Windows NT 10.0.     | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:07:36 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> $ Subject: Re: Microvax image to simh?0 Message-ID: <11npon4tanrf86b@corp.supernews.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  >  > % > Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:  > 8 >> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:34:05 -0800, Alan Greig wrote: >>L >>> Backup/image the boot disk of your MVII to a backup saveset. Install VMSK >>> and Boot simh using the documented procedures (or just boot stand alone J >>> backup) and restore the image to another virtual disk. Boot simh from  >>> the 
 >>> oher disk  >> >>8 >> I don't have a VMS image (w/compiler) to put on simh. >  > 8 > Btw Chuck, if you need any help with this let me know.  K I'll take that as an open offer, since you posted it on the newsgroup.  :-)    > The documentation I > on getting simh with vms and networking up and running is a bit sparse  G > but it is relatively straight forward once you've done it once. It's   > also very stable.  > I > You can get basic Encompass (DECUS) membership for free which entitles  G > you to a license. Technically if you then sell any software you need  J > more than the hobby licenses but any original licenses you have for the ( > MVII can probably be transferred over.   $300 last I read.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 19:56:41 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)% Subject: Re: Need help with C program , Message-ID: <437ce079$1@news.langstoeger.at>  N In article <ops0ecoxqrzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:D >On 16 Nov 2005 11:00:15 -0800, RJDurkee <RJDurkee@yahoo.com> wrote:I >> I am doing a project on a old 6.2 VMS system and I need help writing a E >> C program that will convert a date formatted like this "5-MAR-2000 I >> 05:35:30.25" into the number of nanoseconds since the beginning of VMS < >> time - Nov. 17, 1858, which would be formatted like this: >> 44589513302500000.  > , >So today is the 147th anniversary of VMS:-)  " Does that mean only 3 more years ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:12:00 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> % Subject: Re: Need help with C program 0 Message-ID: <11npove8c4929e0@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>>char date_char[20]; >>@ >>Not that I enjoy reading C code, but why the extra longword?   >  > E > Actually, it should really be char date_char[24]. A date-time is 23 L > characters long  (with an extra byte for the dreaded null character in C). > G > BTW, did you break your Z key in anger trying to type my name ??? ;-) 	 > :-) :-)   L I'm never angry when I type your name.  Much easier to laugh than get angry.  F As for the key, a particular Blue & Gold MaCaw (mis)named Grace takes D too many liberties when I'm not supervising.  Keys on the keyboard. 2 Office chair with top half chewed off.  Much more.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 14:25:36 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: Need help with C program 3 Message-ID: <0Zdw699uESzX@eisner.encompasserve.org>    > - > So today is the 147th anniversary of VMS:-)   F    VMS isn't so self centered.  Today is the 147'th anniversary of the%    start of the Smithsonian calendar.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:19:08 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> G Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium 0 Message-ID: <11nppcqkip8v29e@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:* > In article <ops0ea0mgczgicya@hyrrokkin>,( > 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > H >>On 16 Nov 2005 19:52:16 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: >> >>F >>>What would there be to hear?  If it is true that MS is not going toG >>>support Itanium there is no reason for Intel to continue development D >>>or even the manufacture of it.  Time to cut their losses and hopeD >>>the hit on their stock isn't too bad when the Casino Analysts getB >>>done with them.  What can HP offer?  Donate the several billion: >>>dollars they Intel has already flushed on this project? >>? >>How do you know that HP is not subsidizing Intel to continue?   E Don't know details about such things, but it might be easier to port  - everything to x86 than to pay for the itanic.   F > Probably because it wold be bad business for both parties. (OK, that0 > doesn't seem to stop many corporations today.) > I > Intel is rapidly becoming a laughing stock and a looser playing catchup F > to that AMD thing.  HP can't possibly be making enough profit off ofB > the stuff that currently runs on Itanium to be able to afford toE > bankroll a money-pit like Itanium.  The really bad part of all this F > is who the real loosers are going to be.  Looked in a mirror lately? >  > bill >    What I have feared for 4 years.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:52:33 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> G Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium + Message-ID: <437D25C5.6CB1983@teksavvy.com>    Tom Linden wrote: ? > How do you know that HP is not subsidizing Intel to continue?   F HP is subsidizing Intel to continue. Last year, they shifted employees and 3 billion to Intel.   H But that doesn't mean IA64 has a bright future. It is just means that HPD needs more time to shift to another platform and wants Intel to keep& IA64 on life support for a bit longer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:40:09 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> G Subject: Re: OT: Microsoft appear to announce end of Windows on Itanium 0 Message-ID: <11nqfn6m0lgcqd0@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Tom Linden wrote:  > ? >>How do you know that HP is not subsidizing Intel to continue?  >  > H > HP is subsidizing Intel to continue. Last year, they shifted employees > and 3 billion to Intel.   G They did not give Intel $3 billion.  They talked about $3 billion they  8 (HP) were spending on stuff such as supporting chipsets.  J > But that doesn't mean IA64 has a bright future. It is just means that HPF > needs more time to shift to another platform and wants Intel to keep( > IA64 on life support for a bit longer.     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:56:11 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>+ Subject: Re: rx2620 DECWindows reinit hang? , Message-ID: <437cd24c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  B Something is screwed up.  Don't know what.  I believe that GHA0 isB add-on card (R7500) and GHB0 is the built-in R7000.  It looks like, you are hung trying to initialize the R7000.  4 First thing first.  Rename DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP@ back to .TEMPLATE so that multi-head doesn't try to start.  Then& see if DECwindows starts on the R7500.   If it doesn't... let us know.   A If it does, then remove the R7500 and see if graphics comes up on  the built-in graphics.  > If it does - then examine what is in DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP closely.  L If it doesn't...  dunno.  Was this a virgin install of V8.2-1 or an upgrade?        . <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> wrote in message; news:1132249769.072374.8730@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... I > I have an rx2620 which suddenly started showing something strange -- it 8 > was hanging during a 'normal' boot sequence.  If I setC > DECW$IGNORE_DECWINDOWS, the system boots as expected.  VMS 8.2-1.  > A > Slightly modifying DECW$DEVICE.COM to not define sys$output and 8 > sys$error to NLA0, I get stuck at the following place: >  > $! define sys$output nla0: > $! define sys$error  nla0: > $  > $init_device:  > $  > $ init_retry = 10 > > $ devnam = f$element(devnum, ",", decw$device_configuration)+ > $ if devnam .eqs. "," then goto done_init + > $ if devnam .eqs. ""  then goto done_init G > $ if (f$getdvi(devnam,"STS") .AND. 16) .eq. 0 then decw$reinit reinit  > GHA0 > $  > $next_init_device: > $  > $ devnum = devnum + 1  > $ goto init_device > $init_device:  > $  > $ init_retry = 10 > > $ devnam = f$element(devnum, ",", decw$device_configuration)+ > $ if devnam .eqs. "," then goto done_init + > $ if devnam .eqs. ""  then goto done_init G > $ if (f$getdvi(devnam,"STS") .AND. 16) .eq. 0 then decw$reinit reinit  > GHB0 > I > So it looks like it's wedged on GHB0, which is the management processor E > port.  It's so wedged, I can't use the CNTRL/P to get a crash dump.  > D > These boxes have a RADEON 7500 installed as well as the ManagementC > Processor card, which has a  RADEON 7000.  A similarly configured  > rx2620 is working normally.  > B > Completely removing power has had no effect.  The MP seems to beB > otherwise functioning normally, LAN/WEB port connections workingH > normally, device is configured (it shows up in SDA), no device errors, > etc. > < > Am I missing something, or is it time to call for Service? >    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 12:24:15 -0800! From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net + Subject: Re: rx2620 DECWindows reinit hang? C Message-ID: <1132259055.165724.227580@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    FredK wrote:D > Something is screwed up.  Don't know what.  I believe that GHA0 isD > add-on card (R7500) and GHB0 is the built-in R7000.  It looks like. > you are hung trying to initialize the R7000. > 6 > First thing first.  Rename DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUPB > back to .TEMPLATE so that multi-head doesn't try to start.  Then( > see if DECwindows starts on the R7500.  E I renamed DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP and it has hung in the same place 
 as before.   >  > If it doesn't... let us know.  >    OK; I'm letting you know.   C > If it does, then remove the R7500 and see if graphics comes up on  > the built-in graphics. >    Will do this shortly.   @ > If it does - then examine what is in DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP
 > closely.  B Only difference is I re-arranged what is the 'primary' head by the line:    decw$device == "GHB0,GHA0"  G For bizarre configuration reasons I want the display on the RADEON 7000  on the MP, not the 7500.   > N > If it doesn't...  dunno.  Was this a virgin install of V8.2-1 or an upgrade? >  >   G This was an upgrade.  The system is only about 2 weeks old.  It shipped = with 8.2; I upgraded it to 8.2-1 and as I say, it was working  yesterday, but now does not.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:41:50 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> + Subject: Re: rx2620 DECWindows reinit hang? 0 Message-ID: <11nqfqasf8ui9fc@corp.supernews.com>  " kenneth.randell@verizon.net wrote: > FredK wrote: > D >>Something is screwed up.  Don't know what.  I believe that GHA0 isD >>add-on card (R7500) and GHB0 is the built-in R7000.  It looks like. >>you are hung trying to initialize the R7000. >>6 >>First thing first.  Rename DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUPB >>back to .TEMPLATE so that multi-head doesn't try to start.  Then( >>see if DECwindows starts on the R7500. >  > G > I renamed DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP and it has hung in the same place  > as before. >  >  >>If it doesn't... let us know.  >> >  >  > OK; I'm letting you know.  >  > C >>If it does, then remove the R7500 and see if graphics comes up on  >>the built-in graphics. >> >  >  > Will do this shortly.  >  > @ >>If it does - then examine what is in DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP
 >>closely. >  > D > Only difference is I re-arranged what is the 'primary' head by the > line:  >  > decw$device == "GHB0,GHA0" > I > For bizarre configuration reasons I want the display on the RADEON 7000  > on the MP, not the 7500. >  > N >>If it doesn't...  dunno.  Was this a virgin install of V8.2-1 or an upgrade? >> >> >  > I > This was an upgrade.  The system is only about 2 weeks old.  It shipped ? > with 8.2; I upgraded it to 8.2-1 and as I say, it was working  > yesterday, but now does not. >   C Sounds to me more like broken hardware rather than broken software.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:40:46 -0500 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>O Subject: Re: SN-PBXGB-AA  POWERSTORM 3D30 GRAPHICS compatibility with DECWindow * Message-ID: <437cceaf@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  B Yes.  The Powerstorm 3D30 and 4D20 can do 3D using the Open3D kit,I but they are one of the few graphics where we insisted that there be a 2D E implementation shipped with the base OS (since this card - especially ( the 3D30) were also heavily used for 2D.    3 "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> wrote in message < news:1132244831.905502.14960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...I > Is the PowerStorm 3D30 Graphics compatible with OpenVMS 7.1 without the 
 > Open3D kit?  >    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 19:49:43 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)O Subject: Re: SN-PBXGB-AA  POWERSTORM 3D30 GRAPHICS compatibility with DECWindow * Message-ID: <437cded7@news.langstoeger.at>  m In article <1132244831.905502.14960@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com> writes: H >Is the PowerStorm 3D30 Graphics compatible with OpenVMS 7.1 without the >Open3D kit?   Yes. 3D30 is 2D. ' 4D20 is 3D (and also don't require it).   G But at V7.1 times I already had OPEN3D installed (for other systems) on I the same system disk, so I can't give this as a first hand experience ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 17 NOV 2005 22:39:31 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> Y Subject: Re: TASK can't run SEARCH (was Re: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECT 2 Message-ID: <17NOV05.22393178@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  < In a previous article, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote: >    > Bob Koehler wrote:{ > > In article <dlg667$ver$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > > > ; > > > $  dir/dat=(c,m)/siz=all NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY]  > > > , > > > Directory NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY] > > >  > > > FILE.TYPE;1 - > > >                    file access conflict  > > > " > > > Total of 1 file, 0/0 blocks. > >  > >    Try this: > > 4 > >    On remote node NODE create the following file > >  > >    $! sys$login:attempt.com ! > >    $define sys$output sys$net C > >    $directory/date=(created,modified)/size=all disk:[directory]   > >    $logoutnow   ! not a typo > > # > >    Then from the local node do:  > > ' > >    $type node"user"::"task=attempt"  >    >   F > Speaking of TASKing, why doesn't SEARCH work in such a command file: >    >    > On node B: >   = > $    IF (F$MODE().EQS."INTERACTIVE") THEN GOTO _INTERACTIVE ! > $    DEFINE SYS$PRINT NOSUCHQUE   > $    DEFINE SYS$OUTPUT SYS$NET > $_INTERACTIVE:- > $    SEARCH SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM ELEMENT  > $    EXIT  >    > $ @SEARCH B > $    ACCPORNAM0=  F$ELEMENT(0,",",F$GETDVI("TT","TT_ACCPORNAM")) >    >   
 > One node A:  >   ) > $ TYPE NODE_X"BLAH BLOW"::"TASK=SEARCH" ) > %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name  >    >   G > Here it is with SET VERIFY added to the top of the command procedure:  >   ) > $ TYPE NODE_X"BLAH BLOW"::"TASK=SEARCH"  > $_INTERACTIVE:- > $    SEARCH SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM ELEMENT ) > %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name  >    >   F > Why don't I just SEARCH from the local node? Because I am in NYC andI > the remote node is in Hong Kong and it takes longer. Anyway, I'd REALLY # > like to know why it doesn't work.   @ I cut and pasted your command procedure.  It worked fine for me.   OpenVMS V7.3-1  on an alpha.  K Note that in your "SET VERIFY" example the two DEFINE commands don't show - ) as if F$MODE was returning "INTERACTIVE".    Dave   --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 15:05:49 -0800$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>Y Subject: Re: TASK can't run SEARCH (was Re: difference between "normal" and DECnet DIRECT C Message-ID: <1132268749.009723.144460@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Dave Greenwood wrote: > > In a previous article, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > >  > > Bob Koehler wrote:} > > > In article <dlg667$ver$2@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  > > > > = > > > > $  dir/dat=(c,m)/siz=all NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY]  > > > > . > > > > Directory NODE"USER"::DISK:[DIRECTORY] > > > >  > > > > FILE.TYPE;1 / > > > >                    file access conflict  > > > > $ > > > > Total of 1 file, 0/0 blocks. > > >  > > >    Try this: > > > 6 > > >    On remote node NODE create the following file > > > ! > > >    $! sys$login:attempt.com # > > >    $define sys$output sys$net E > > >    $directory/date=(created,modified)/size=all disk:[directory] " > > >    $logoutnow   ! not a typo > > > % > > >    Then from the local node do:  > > > ) > > >    $type node"user"::"task=attempt"  > >  > > H > > Speaking of TASKing, why doesn't SEARCH work in such a command file: > >  > >  > > On node B: > > ? > > $    IF (F$MODE().EQS."INTERACTIVE") THEN GOTO _INTERACTIVE # > > $    DEFINE SYS$PRINT NOSUCHQUE " > > $    DEFINE SYS$OUTPUT SYS$NET > > $_INTERACTIVE:/ > > $    SEARCH SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM ELEMENT 
 > > $    EXIT  > > 
 > > $ @SEARCH D > > $    ACCPORNAM0=  F$ELEMENT(0,",",F$GETDVI("TT","TT_ACCPORNAM")) > >  > >  > > One node A:  > > + > > $ TYPE NODE_X"BLAH BLOW"::"TASK=SEARCH" + > > %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name  > >  > > I > > Here it is with SET VERIFY added to the top of the command procedure:  > > + > > $ TYPE NODE_X"BLAH BLOW"::"TASK=SEARCH"  > > $_INTERACTIVE:/ > > $    SEARCH SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM ELEMENT + > > %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name  > >  > > H > > Why don't I just SEARCH from the local node? Because I am in NYC andK > > the remote node is in Hong Kong and it takes longer. Anyway, I'd REALLY % > > like to know why it doesn't work.  > B > I cut and pasted your command procedure.  It worked fine for me. >  > OpenVMS V7.3-1  on an alpha. > M > Note that in your "SET VERIFY" example the two DEFINE commands don't show - + > as if F$MODE was returning "INTERACTIVE".   G That is expected because SYS$OUTPUT isn't pointing to SYS$NET until the D second DEFINE command completes. And you need to write to SYS$NET toE get the command output to appear on the calling node's output device. < The DEFINE SYS$PRINT NOSUCHQUE command is just from habit ofA SUBMIT/REMOTE-ing. I shouldn't have put that one in there, but it  doesn't affect the outcome any.   3 Here it is again with a SHOW LOGICAL command added:    $ TYPE SEARCH.COM  $    SET VERIFY ; $    IF (F$MODE().EQS."INTERACTIVE") THEN GOTO _INTERACTIVE  $    DEFINE SYS$OUTPUT SYS$NET $_INTERACTIVE:" $    SHOW LOGICAL/FULL SYS$MANAGER+ $    SEARCH SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM ELEMENT 	 $    EXIT   ' $ TYPE NODE_X"BLAH BLOW"::"TASK=SEARCH"  $_INTERACTIVE:" $    SHOW LOGICAL/FULL SYS$MANAGERC    "SYS$MANAGER" [exec] = "SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) + $    SEARCH SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN.COM ELEMENT ' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name   E The logical name is translated fine, but SEARCH still comes up empty!  &-(    > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV J > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   Thanks for giving it a try!    AEF    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 11:43:47 -0800( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>Q Subject: The ZLXp-L1 Card doesn't seem to be compatible with my video, I am stuck B Message-ID: <1132256627.049805.98840@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  G Now I am stuck, I am using a SVGA Video, the seller was suspicious that D the video and this ZLXp-L1 card wouldn't get along, I was working on: text mode so far since I didn't have the Open3D installed.G I have just installed the Open3D now, even before I login to the system D the openvms switch over to a blue screen (likely a graphic mode) and the video goes out of synch.E What can I do now? and what type of video should I use with this type  of card?    Thanks alot   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 12:58:27 -0800( From: "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com>U Subject: Re: The ZLXp-L1 Card doesn't seem to be compatible with my video, I am stuck B Message-ID: <1132261107.571232.21760@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   pbritto wrote:I > Now I am stuck, I am using a SVGA Video, the seller was suspicious that F > the video and this ZLXp-L1 card wouldn't get along, I was working on< > text mode so far since I didn't have the Open3D installed.I > I have just installed the Open3D now, even before I login to the system F > the openvms switch over to a blue screen (likely a graphic mode) and > the video goes out of synch.G > What can I do now? and what type of video should I use with this type 
 > of card? >  >  Thanks alot  ? You probably have a mismatch between the card's selected output G resolution and refresh rate and what your monitor is able to cope with. B  The card should have a set of DIP switches, or a rotary switch (IA don't have a -L1 or -L2 handy) that is used to select the default B resolution.  If you have it too high, or refresh rate too fast forA whatever monitor you use, the hashed screen is what you will get.   C I don't have switch settings available, but I bet they won't be too  hard to find with google...    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 13:42:49 -0800' From: "Schnootling" <chuckm@dis.wa.gov> + Subject: Re: Unable to Boot Firmware CD-ROM C Message-ID: <1132263769.191952.176390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi Tom,   F Will a Sony CRX 230E - CD-RW drive - internal  (as seen on eBay at the time of this note) work ?    Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:32:36 -0600 & From: Gary L. Ross <nospam@nospam.com> Subject: VMS to Tivoli TEC8 Message-ID: <lkppn1p0oka0cnql2bn1v2ddeme39t9gng@4ax.com>  C We're looking for a way to send VMS system events to our Tivoli TEC E system.  I've been asked by our Tivoli Admin. if there are any TECAD, E POSTEMSG, or MIBs available for VMS.  Does anyone know where we could 9 locate these or if any such files/programs exist for VMS?   6 We're running VMS 7.2-2 if that information is needed.   Gary L. Ross Park Nicollet Health Services , r.o.s.s.g.l.@.p.a.r.k.n.i.c.o.l.l.e.t..c.o.m (remove periods to email me)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:01:06 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> Subject: Re: VMS to Tivoli TEC+ Message-ID: <3u4ju2Fvipn8U1@individual.net>    Gary L. Ross wrote: E > We're looking for a way to send VMS system events to our Tivoli TEC G > system.  I've been asked by our Tivoli Admin. if there are any TECAD, G > POSTEMSG, or MIBs available for VMS.  Does anyone know where we could ; > locate these or if any such files/programs exist for VMS?  > 8 > We're running VMS 7.2-2 if that information is needed. >   I 2-3 years ago I found various companies providing MIBs for VMS. The only  5 ones I can recall at the moment are Comtek and Raxco:   * http://www.comtekservices.com/nmserver.htm  0 http://www.raxco.co.uk/product.asp?ProductID=159# (site not responding at the moment)    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2005 18:45:19 -0800 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au Subject: Re: VMS to Tivoli TECC Message-ID: <1132281919.507643.250520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   . If you install the "management agents for vms"7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/mgmt_agents/ - then this includes the basics for monitoring. ' vms tcp/ip also includes snmp functions % and you can test specific traps using  TCPIP$SNMP_TRAPSND.EXE* There must be at least 5 runtime argumentsA #snmp_trapsnd enterprise agent-address generic specific timeticks F [-v version] [-c community] [-h host] [-p port] [-tcp] {variable [type value]}  Phil   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.643 ************************