1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 27 Nov 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 662       Contents: Re: LICENSE questions  Re: LICENSE questions  Re: moving Apache... Re: moving Apache...& Re: question about set file/attributes Re: shutdown and feedback  Re: shutdown and feedback  Re: System services and DCL , Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting, Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting, Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting, Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting( [ORACLE 10G] Installing on OpenVMS Alpha  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2005 07:58:56 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: LICENSE questions3 Message-ID: <JXexbCtON6FT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <dmc2k2$v0r$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: / > A few various and assorted LICENSE questions.  > F > Although it is easy to do it in a procedure, why is there no commandG > LICENSE DISABLE /BEFORE command?  This would be useful when renewing  I > hobbyist licenses.  (On a related note, why not have /SINCE=TERM=<DATE> J > which would allow /SINCE and /BEFORE to be used together, like with the A > DIRECTORY command.  Now, "/SINCE cannot be used with /BEFORE".)   D Likely because the level of request from supported customers is low.  K > Why are the commands AMEND and CANCEL mentioned in the overview, but not   > in an individual HELP entry?  G Likely because nobody has reported it to OPENVMSDOC@hp.com (or whatever  the official address is).   K > Why is the release date of hobbyist licenses the same as the termination   > date?   B Likely so you can run any software versions release up through the end of the license period.  C > In my view, the latter is correct and the former is one year too   > late.   C That would not let you run new versions released during the license  year.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:06:27 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net> Subject: Re: LICENSE questions0 Message-ID: <BFAF35A3.1846F%roktsci@comcast.net>  @ On 11/27/05 2:43 AM, in article dmc2k2$v0r$1@online.de, "PhillipJ Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:  / > A few various and assorted LICENSE questions.  > F > Although it is easy to do it in a procedure, why is there no commandF > LICENSE DISABLE /BEFORE command?  This would be useful when renewingI > hobbyist licenses.  (On a related note, why not have /SINCE=TERM=<DATE> I > which would allow /SINCE and /BEFORE to be used together, like with the A > DIRECTORY command.  Now, "/SINCE cannot be used with /BEFORE".)  > J > Why are the commands AMEND and CANCEL mentioned in the overview, but not > in an individual HELP entry? > J > Why is the release date of hobbyist licenses the same as the terminationI > date?  In my view, the latter is correct and the former is one year too  > late.  > I I have been making a completely different LMDB file for each new hobbyist G license release each year. I then make the system wide license database E logical name a search list with the master (unchanging normal default F database) first in the list, then my changing annual hobbyist database second.   G Prior to this method I used TPU to read in the hobbyist license command D procedure and create an equivalent license remove command procedure.  I Just two possible alternatives for you to consider, for the same problem.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:36:23 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: moving Apache... 5 Message-ID: <pDiif.31$Et5.3488@news20.bellglobal.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4388DF9C.716FA9B6@teksavvy.com... > Dave Froble wrote: >> Neil Rieck wrote:M >> > I'm losing my mind. Please disregard the previous post. It was meant to   >> > go  >> > to my colleagues at work. >>H >> Yes, some may have wondered why you were assigning us this task.  :-) >  > H > Me thinks Mr Rieck still thinks it is Oktoberfest :-)  (or has already5 > begun Christmas party beer drinking :-) :-) :-) :-)  >   L Yes, Oktoberfest has come and gone but I wasn't able to drink a single drop F of Heineken since Oktoberfest was right in the middle of EinsteinFest. http://www.einsteinfest.ca/   M My recent FUBAR on this news group is proof that human beings do not do well  G at multitasking. It gets even worse when you've worked 9 days straight  " without a break. Sorry about that.  J p.s. I've already received a few emails offering an alternative to moving L Apache. I don't like to air dirty laundry in public so just let me say that M someone (not me) installed both Apache server software and served-up content  L on the system disk. The content portion alone was over 200,000 blocks which I prevented me from installing "732-UPDATE5". I really didn't want to move  7 Apache off the system disk, just the served-up content.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:14:45 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: moving Apache... ; Message-ID: <4389cd65.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ( Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote: > I really didn't want to move  9 > Apache off the system disk, just the served-up content.   F Good to hear. AFAIK, the only way to move the installed product "CSWS"F is to remove it and re-install it (or so it said in some documentation I recently read).   C To move the content, on the other hand, is very easy: Just find all H "Alias" and "ScriptAlias" directives (and their accompanying <Directory>< and <Location> sections) in Apache's config file (default isG APACHE$ROOT:[CONF]HTTPD.CONF, but there is a command line option to use F some other file) plus any included files, and re-write them to the new	 location.    cu,    Martin --  D One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:57:51 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: question about set file/attributes 0 Message-ID: <BFAF339F.1846D%roktsci@comcast.net>  @ On 11/26/05 2:14 PM, in article dmamnj$dqt$1@online.de, "PhillipJ Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:  8 > In article <3urq90FvnvpjU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture > <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes:  >  >> $ @FOO.COM/OUT=T = >> $ convert/fdl=nl: T * ! convert to variable instead of VFC  > 3 > Why can't I do the same thing with SET FILE/ATTR?  > ! Two completely different animals:   G SET FILE/ATTRIB merely changes the RMS file characteristics in the file H header. Does not look at or touch the actual data. Result: same physical file.   K CONVERT reads in the data, in one format and rewrites a new file in another ! format. Result: a whole new file.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2005 08:00:01 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: shutdown and feedback3 Message-ID: <wifohruYBPgu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <dmc9l6$h2u$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: : > SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM checks for a list of privileges: > M > AUDIT,CMKRNL,EXQUOTA,LOG_IO,NETMBX,OPER,SECURITY,SYSNAM,SYSPRV,TMPMBX,WORLD  > H > with the idea being that it will exit without doing anything if there G > aren't enough privileges available.  However, if an account has ONLY  / > these privileges, the shutdown will fail with  > E >    %RMS-F-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation   > J > when running SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$FEEDBACK (if requested to do so during the  > shutdown). >  > This is a bug, right?  > G > Probably, not enough people have complained since most shutdowns are  2 > done by SYSTEM or a suitably privileged account. > D > BYPASS can be added to the list of enabled privileges to solve theI > problem.  However, it would be nice if SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM did the   > right thing.  E When you submit the report to HP it might help if you determined what : action was hitting the problem, such as by using auditing.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:04:09 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: Re: shutdown and feedback$ Message-ID: <dmcsep$1v0$1@online.de>  3 In article <wifohruYBPgu@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   G > When you submit the report to HP it might help if you determined what < > action was hitting the problem, such as by using auditing.  4 As mentioned above, it is running AGEN$FEEDBACK.EXE.  E As a hobbyist, I have no support, so can't file a bug report as such. F (I have a VMS day job, but the problem doesn't occur there since such E things are always done from a fully priviledged account, so there is  > really no valid reason for submitting an official bug report.)  G I mentioned it here since it might be bothering someone who can submit   an official bug report.   D Is there something (email address, web page) more official than the E newsgroup but less official than a formal bug report?  I'm sure that  E some folks are interested in fixing things even if a paying customer  2 doesn't complain, just for aesthetic reasons.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:51:50 -0800 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>$ Subject: Re: System services and DCL0 Message-ID: <BFAF3236.1846B%roktsci@comcast.net>  L On 11/26/05 4:42 AM, in article 3ur3i3F12he0mU1@individual.net, "Paul Sture" <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote:   > Jeff Cameron wrote: M >> On 11/22/05 9:31 PM, in article 4383FE99.AB5E93E1@teksavvy.com, "JF Mezei" ( >> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >>   >>   >>> Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>> ; >>>> Perhaps you could outline the behavior you expect for:  >>>>  ) >>>>        F$CALLSYS("CMKRNL",arg1,arg2)  >>>>  8 >>>> The contents of both arg1 and arg2 are of interest. >>>  >>> Simple.... >>> H >>> arg1: the name of a DCL subroutine label. All statements inside thatK >>> subroutine until the RETUN will execute in kernel mode :-) A DCL syntax & >>> error crashes the whole system :-) >>> H >>> arg2: a string containing coma delimited list of arguments which are0 >>> passed to the subroutine as P1, P2, P3 etc). >>>  >>> K >>> Seriously, not all system services/ RTL can logically be mapped to DCL. H >>> But there might be a lot which could be used. But perhaps individualK >>> lexical implementation is a better way. Shirley the VMS engineers would  >>> have discussed this ?  >>  L >> How would you construct complex data structures such as Item lists, which+ >> are common arguments to system services?  >>   > I > A selection of the LIB$ routines might be be suitable candidates, since D > they were designed to be an easier way to use system services than > calling those directly. % The LIB$ routines use item lists too!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:44:58 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting , Message-ID: <438955CA.A588F71B@teksavvy.com>   Michael Moroney wrote:J > all it does.  Once VMS is up and running at a certain point, it switches@ > over to its own driver, which is used exclusively from then on  C Ok, so it is just a matter of ensuring VMS is on the first gig of a  drive then.   8 Would pagefile and swafile need to be in the first gig ?  H Is there a list of files that are absolutely needed in the first 1gig inF terms of VMS  ?  Is it sysboot.exe and all of the SYSLOA*.EXE files ? H Is therte an executable which writes the dump file or is that totally in
 firmware ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 05:53:34 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting ; Message-ID: <43893bce.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:J > I understand that the firmware in the Vaxstation 3100 is limited to 1gig > disks   E I remember having heard that Wolfgang Moeller patched the 3100 ROM to H enable boot disks bigger than 1 GB. To make room for the patch, he threw( out, IIRC, the support for tape booting.  G Sorry, my memory on this is very fuzzy; just a hint to start searching.    cu,    Martin --  A  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  for the change to take    |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ ;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 04:30:53 -0500 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting 0 Message-ID: <11oiv4inqps4919@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Michael Moroney wrote: > J >>all it does.  Once VMS is up and running at a certain point, it switches@ >>over to its own driver, which is used exclusively from then on >  > E > Ok, so it is just a matter of ensuring VMS is on the first gig of a  > drive then.  > : > Would pagefile and swafile need to be in the first gig ? > J > Is there a list of files that are absolutely needed in the first 1gig inH > terms of VMS  ?  Is it sysboot.exe and all of the SYSLOA*.EXE files ? J > Is therte an executable which writes the dump file or is that totally in > firmware ?  H By the time you get to writing a dumpfile, VMS is way past the point of F declaring itself unstable and way past the point of trying to run any H executables.  It could be the part that invokes executables that caused   VMS to crash (shut itself down).  B I'm not intimately familiar with those parts of VMS, but from the I perspective that VMS has decided it's unstable, one couldn't count on it  D being able to perform any operation, and argues for some standalone D entity outside VMS being used to insure the writing of the dumpfile.  ) Now you're back to the 24 bit addressing.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2005 08:06:52 -0800, From: "rcyoung" <rcyoung@aliconsultants.com>5 Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 1gig limit & MOP booting C Message-ID: <1133107612.179868.304050@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E Here is a link from a discussion by Mueller that has contact/download  info (circa 2003)   / http://sysadminforum.com/showthread.php?t=28739    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2005 16:27:52 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: [ORACLE 10G] Installing on OpenVMS Alpha , Message-ID: <4389de88$1@news.langstoeger.at>  L Is anybody experienced with installing ORACLE Database (10.1.0.3.0) on VMS ?G This week I did my first installations and saw strange things happen...   E 1) It seems that some quota recommendations of ORACLE are way to low. G Especially Pgflquo. I upped them to the recommendations in the JAVA doc J (ORACLE10G installer is written in JAVA and brings its own JAVA142, UNZIP,M PERL561 and so on with it) and then was able to get "installation successful" I Yeah, and don't forget to have a big enough pagefile or you end up with a $ frozen system like mine at home ;-).  L 1a) I find the recommendation of SYSGEN PQL_Mxxxxx values uhhhm interesting.L I understand CHANNELCNT and UAF parameters, but not the SYSGEN PQL_M hammer.  M 2) It seems there is a difference between the downloadable kit and the CD kit K (though they are called identical as 10.1.0.3). I haven't analyzed further,  so maybe I'm wrong.   B 3) You can't install ORACLE from CD when having only one CD drive.D It asks for the 2nd CD while still accessing (running from) the 1st.I Installation manual AFAIK mentions copying the CDs to disk and installing K from them, but I tried installing directly from CDs first and then chose to L imagebackup the CDs to virtual disks (LDA1 - LDA3) and installing from them.  J 4) @LDA1:[000000]RUNINSTALLER write some obscure characters to the screen.H At least 4 times the 4 characters "z". Does anyone know the meaning ?8 Maybe I run again with DEBUG enabled to get more info...  G 5) @LDA1:[000000]RUNINSTALLER in the ORACLE10G account runs and creates K (a tree of) subprocesses (at least 5) to do various stuff (like UNZIPping). H But the (inital) creation is done with SPAWN and misses the /INPUT=NLA0:H Therefore the installation stops (more than once) until you press RETURNB in the RUNINSTALLER session (which responds with a $ prompt then).D So better modify cd1:[000000]RUNINSTALLER.COM and add a /INPUT=NLA0:* to SPAWN before starting the installation.  M 6) The ORACLE Universal Installer OUI warns that you install into a non empty N directory. But in my case it was surely empty at the start of the installation6 (probably until RUNINSTALLER did UNZIP files into it).  K 7) You need at least ~7GB (~6.6GB) freespace or OUI warns that installation " needs at least 3.4GB freespace ;-)  E 8) During installation (after a message "Redefining LNM$FILE_DEV...")  there is an error message    	%RMS-E-FNF, file not found ; 	%RMS-F-ISI, invalid internal stream identifier (ISI) value   A I had these lines on various installations, even on working ones.   1 9) And now the final note (for the first post ;-) J I was able to successful install more than once on a MARVEL with FC Disks.F But I was unable to do it on my DS10 at home so far. Besides the speedE differences (the 8x1GHz of the Marvel made it in umpteen minutes, the H 1x466MHz DS10 needs a couple of hours - on a virtual disk residing on myB ACARD USCSI converted IDE Disks - which makes testing very boring) I got various messages like   F DISK$ORACLE10G:[SCRATCH]	! I selected a scratch directory which wasn'tC error creating directory	! a subdirectory of the ora home directory 2 				! Is this a prerequisite? (I've to RTFM again)  : Script DISK$ORACLE10G:[BIN]]CREATE_INSTALLID.COM NOT FOUND  O %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and placement   \DISK$ORACLE10G\ ( 				! Do I have to name the disk and the& 				! ORA_HOME directory differently ?- 				! I had chosen DISK$ORACLE10G:[ORACLE10G]   G So, various errors obviously caused by restrictions (probably caused by G VMS to UNIX or also UNIX to VMS syntax conversions) not followed by me.   K Note however: Every time it told me the installation completed successfully 0 but then no starter database was created/running   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.662 ************************