1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 01 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 548       Contents: Re: Pete My Boy...yer a Genius RE: Pete My Boy...yer a Genius( Re: Thought you would enjoy this posting Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked!6 RE: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?6 RE: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?P [OT] - dealing with ;32767 (was:Re: Thought you would enjoy this posting) postin  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 03:02:22 -0400, From: Carl Friedberg <frida.fried@gmail.com>' Subject: Re: Pete My Boy...yer a Genius H Message-ID: <890539d90510010002qa6017bftd122aa5ba31d0dc9@mail.gmail.com>  = For many, many years I used RedHat Linux. When they ended the @ development of desktop variety, switching to Fedora was not very= satisfactory. About a year ago, I discovered Ubuntu, which is  now at version 5.04:   www.ubuntu.com  = I've installed on a bunch of decrepit windows computers, with  gratifying results. Painless to D install, and with synaptics to manage the updates, it is a very nice system. The desktop F can be k or gnome,  your choice. The only thing I had to play with was the selection ofL sources for updates within synaptics. I am very impressed with this product= .    Carl Friedberg  ? On 9/29/05, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  > GM wrote:  > > ...  > > Got Debian netinst CD  . $ > Does it respond to a command like: >  > # dwm  > 
 > ...or... > 
 > # xstart >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:32:01 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ' Subject: RE: Pete My Boy...yer a Genius R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C00A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Carl Friedberg [mailto:frida.fried@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: October 1, 2005 3:02 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: Pete My Boy...yer a Genius  >=20? > For many, many years I used RedHat Linux. When they ended the B > development of desktop variety, switching to Fedora was not very? > satisfactory. About a year ago, I discovered Ubuntu, which is  > now at version 5.04: >=20 > www.ubuntu.com >=20? > I've installed on a bunch of decrepit windows computers, with ! > gratifying results. Painless to F > install, and with synaptics to manage the updates, it is a very nice > system. The desktop H > can be k or gnome,  your choice. The only thing I had to play with was > the selection of> > sources for updates within synaptics. I am very impressed=20 > with this product. >=20 > Carl Friedberg >=20	 [snip...]    Carl -  E Interesting that you should mention Ubuntu .. I just finished reading 3 the following article on this new Linux derivative:   H http://news.com.com/Ubuntu+carves+niche+in+Linux+landscape/2100-7344_3-5 886194.html?tag=3Dnefd.top     Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:23:23 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>1 Subject: Re: Thought you would enjoy this posting < Message-ID: <Lku%e.37511$RW.26598@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Z wrote:   > William Hymen wrote: > / >> I found this posting on a Windoze newsgroup. 2 >> (should I have just told him to switch to VMS?) >  > 4 > No; he'll be screwed as soon as he gets to ;32767.  H I've been looking at an extremely poorly maintained but critical set of B VMS systems recently - partly as a favour or I'd have walked away G considering the state of it. On one node the  backup batch job had not  D run since 1998. Nobody could figure out why and the extremely major H household name who provided an outsourced management service for it had I not been able to figure out why. It's logfile was at 32767. Seven bloody  C years that defeated one of the largest companies in the world. I'm  G advising the client (they've taken system management back in house) to  G sue as that was just one of the smaller tragic tails of mismanagement.  G To be brutally frank they are lucky they didn't burn the building down  D considering the number of failed fans and clogged ventilation slots  throughout the machine room.  I > Most 3rd party apps for Unix/Windows system don't have that limitation.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 10:09:41 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! 4 Message-ID: <dhljot$s2r$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>   Wayne Sewell wrote: 4 >>NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:39:26 -0500- >>Message-ID: <433CA591.64CC91EB@comcast.net> ' >>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:40:17 -0500 4 >>From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' >>Reply-To: djesysno@spam.earthlink.net  >>Organization: DJE Systems 1 >>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)  >>X-Accept-Language: en  >>MIME-Version: 1.0  >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  >>Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked!  >  >  >>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>c >>>In article <433C99E8.DE91FB83@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  >>>  >>> G >>>>I guess the lesson here is that even the most unhackable o.s. can't 3 >>>>prevent applications from having weak security.  >>> D >>>Whereas I would say the lesson is to avoid importing applications6 >>>that are "good enough" for other operating systems. >>! >>...and the alternative is ... ?  >> >  >  > O > Yes, good question.  I am not aware of any native-vms bulletin board, picture L > gallery, chat, or bugtracking systems, which are the PHP applications I amM > using.  Sure, the applications can get trashed, but the hackers can't break M > through to the containing OS.  With regular backups, I am not worried about " > these non-critical applications.Q > =============================================================================== P > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com= > http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    Q > =============================================================================== R > Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   Agreed, Wayne.  G WHile you are there, do you know how compliant (if at all) some of the  > PHP extensions are? I've tried to load Drupal which needs the G php_session extension. Doesn't work AT ALL. Similarly, vBulletin needs  / the php_xml extension - again complete failure.   $ Who do I talk to about these issues?   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2005 06:36:44 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! 3 Message-ID: <a$eLyJVytANO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <dhljot$s2r$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> writes:  I > WHile you are there, do you know how compliant (if at all) some of the   > PHP extensions are?    Compliant with what ?   , > I've tried to load Drupal which needs the I > php_session extension. Doesn't work AT ALL. Similarly, vBulletin needs  1 > the php_xml extension - again complete failure.  > & > Who do I talk to about these issues?  / The vendor who sold you the PHP implementation.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2005 06:34:31 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! 3 Message-ID: <5+yvXpzEKSKe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <00A4A990.FE1AA8E6.11@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:    >>Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>> d >>> In article <433C99E8.DE91FB83@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >>> I >>> > I guess the lesson here is that even the most unhackable o.s. can't 5 >>> > prevent applications from having weak security.  >>> E >>> Whereas I would say the lesson is to avoid importing applications 7 >>> that are "good enough" for other operating systems.  >>! >>...and the alternative is ... ?  >> >  > 7 > Yes, good question.  I am not aware of any native-vms  > bulletin board,    DECnotes (as used on DECUServe)    > picture gallery,  
 me neither   > chat,   9 PHONE (unless you mean something else by the word "chat")    > or bugtracking systems,   C PTR (not yet released to freeware, but contact Steve Hoffman if you       have a serious need)   % > which are the PHP applications I am  > using.  E If anyone complains that although those are "native VMS" applications F they are not "native HTTP" applications, suggest that is another basisD for security, having the guts of the application not written in some8 language that is paralyzed around manipulating graphics.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 08:52:03 -0400' From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! G Message-ID: <7dd80f60510010552l130eec1u527b672467d66234@mail.gmail.com>   E On 1 Oct 2005 06:34:31 -0500, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@spamcop.net>  wrote (in part):  G > If anyone complains that although those are "native VMS" applications H > they are not "native HTTP" applications, suggest that is another basisF > for security, having the guts of the application not written in some: > language that is paralyzed around manipulating graphics.  G PHP is NOT a "language that is paralyzed around manipulating graphics".   D PHP is a scripting language and is used to manipulate data and writeE the manipulated data to an output stream or file. It doesn't know how C that output stream will be used once it's done. In it's most common C use, the output stream happens to be in in the form of HTML that is B interpreted by whatever browser requested the script be run.  I'veF used PHP on VMS to manipulate the output of an SSSU command, which was# easier to write in PHP than in DCL.    Ken    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 07:53:24 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! / Message-ID: <00A4A9E5.AA2FE8E5.1@tachysoft.com>   . >From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked!  >Date: 1 Oct 2005 06:34:31 -0500  8 >> Yes, good question.  I am not aware of any native-vms >> bulletin board, >   >DECnotes (as used on DECUServe) >   L I should have qualified this as: bulletin board, accessible by anyone with a; web browser on any type of system anywhere on the internet.   L The last time I used decnotes, you had to directly log into a vms system andN issue dcl commands.  The people using my bulletin board are not vms users, norH do I want anyone directly logging into my system, with or without privs.   >> chat, > : >PHONE (unless you mean something else by the word "chat") >   N Is phone accessible via the internet by anyone with a web browser?  Again, the: people chatting are not vms users, and not at my location.     >> or bugtracking systems, > D >PTR (not yet released to freeware, but contact Steve Hoffman if you >     have a serious need) >   G Accessible via a web browser from anywhere on the internet?  The people O involved in the bug tracking are at locations several thousand miles apart, not N necessarily running on vms systems for web browsing, and there is no decnet or  cluster connection between them.   Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:19:36 -0400' From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! H Message-ID: <7dd80f60510010619m3f306892waea1b18432d295be@mail.gmail.com>  ? On 10/1/05, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote (in part):   " > >DECnotes (as used on DECUServe) > >  > L > I should have qualified this as: bulletin board, accessible by anyone wit= h a = > web browser on any type of system anywhere on the internet.  > L > The last time I used decnotes, you had to directly log into a vms system = and L > issue dcl commands.  The people using my bulletin board are not vms users= , nor J > do I want anyone directly logging into my system, with or without privs.  A There is a person who has made a very nice web based interface to = DECnotes. It's currently being tested on the Deathrow cluster B <http://deathrow.vistech.net/>.  Sign up for an account (free) andB then go to <https://gein.vistech.net/notes/> to use the interface.   Ken    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:06:36 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)  Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! 6 Message-ID: <MJw%e.5334$2%4.3868@tornado.texas.rr.com>  ) Wayne Sewell (wayne@tachysoft.com) wrote: 0 : >From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) : >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms : >Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked!" : >Date: 1 Oct 2005 06:34:31 -0500 : : : >> Yes, good question.  I am not aware of any native-vms : >> bulletin board, : > " : >DECnotes (as used on DECUServe) : >  : L : I should have qualified this as: bulletin board, accessible by anyone with? : a web browser on any type of system anywhere on the internet.  : K : The last time I used decnotes, you had to directly log into a vms system  J : and issue dcl commands.  The people using my bulletin board are not vms G : users, nor do I want anyone directly logging into my system, with or   : without privs. :   B Steve Cloutier developed a Windows version of DECNotes that ran onB Windows NT (ca. 1995) . We used the Alpha OpenVMS DECNotes client E and Multinet to access the server, as well as Steve's Windows client.   C Steve sold his company to Spry Technologies, and no more was heard   about WinNotes/NetNotes.  H Perhaps the WinNotes/NetNotes code could be put into the public domain ?   --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:56:26 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! 4 Message-ID: <dhm83f$bh7$1$830fa7a5@news.demon.co.uk>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:\ > In article <dhljot$s2r$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> writes: >  > I >>WHile you are there, do you know how compliant (if at all) some of the   >>PHP extensions are?  >  >  > Compliant with what ?  >  > , >>I've tried to load Drupal which needs the I >>php_session extension. Doesn't work AT ALL. Similarly, vBulletin needs  1 >>the php_xml extension - again complete failure.  >>& >>Who do I talk to about these issues? >  > 1 > The vendor who sold you the PHP implementation.   G Threads like this frustrate the hell out of me. It seems impossible to  H ask a simple question without half a dozen people ripping you to shreds ? with unhelpful responses largely composed of pedantic minutiae.   + Look, HP kindly offer free versions of PHP  I (http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_php.html); I  I have chosen to utilise said product in an effort to provide a service to  0 the community. I am simply asking for some help.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:11:20 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! 0 Message-ID: <00A4A9F8.EEDC41E2.14@tachysoft.com>  , >From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) >Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
 >Lines: 32+ >X-Newsreader: TIN [VMS 1.3 950824BETA PL0] 7 >Message-ID: <MJw%e.5334$2%4.3868@tornado.texas.rr.com> $ >Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 14:06:36 GMT >X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.comH >X-Trace: tornado.texas.rr.com 1128175596 67.10.40.208 (Sat, 01 Oct 2005 >         09:06:36 CDT) 1 >NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:06:36 CDT > >Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET > * >Wayne Sewell (wayne@tachysoft.com) wrote:1 >: >From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  >: >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  >: >Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! # >: >Date: 1 Oct 2005 06:34:31 -0500  >:  ; >: >> Yes, good question.  I am not aware of any native-vms  >: >> bulletin board,  >: ># >: >DECnotes (as used on DECUServe)  >: > >:  M >: I should have qualified this as: bulletin board, accessible by anyone with @ >: a web browser on any type of system anywhere on the internet. >:  L >: The last time I used decnotes, you had to directly log into a vms system K >: and issue dcl commands.  The people using my bulletin board are not vms  H >: users, nor do I want anyone directly logging into my system, with or  >: without privs.  >:   > C >Steve Cloutier developed a Windows version of DECNotes that ran on C >Windows NT (ca. 1995) . We used the Alpha OpenVMS DECNotes client  F >and Multinet to access the server, as well as Steve's Windows client. > D >Steve sold his company to Spry Technologies, and no more was heard  >about WinNotes/NetNotes.  > I >Perhaps the WinNotes/NetNotes code could be put into the public domain ?  >   O Totally not interested.  The whole point of the discussion was using native-vms E applications rather than PHP, due to reasons of security/reliability.   N No matter that the windows decnotes is *derived* from a vms application, it isK running on the most unstable/unreliable/emminently-hackable platform in the O world, so I would much rather use a php bulletin board on a vms web server than   *anything* based on a billybox.    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:03:24 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ? Subject: RE: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C00B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 " > Sent: September 30, 2005 9:31 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?  >=20 > "Main, Kerry" wrote:B > > I am simply pointing out that Intel and HP have not limited=20 > Itanium to+ > > "supercomputers" alone as JF indicated.  >=20F > Mr Main, do you at least acknowledge that Intel and HP have over the9 > last few years, especially in 2004, made a string of=20  > announcements which @ > have reduced the target market for IA64 to what is now just=20 > the high end > of enterprise ?  >=20  H And I have repeatedly said that both Intel and HP have stated Itanium isH now focussed on 2-128CPU business systems. You can get USD $2K IntegrityH servers by attending some of the Intel Dev forums. These can be used forD simultaneous development of not only OpenVMS apps, but also Windows,E Linux, HP-UX,  some *BSD's (simply change boot drive pointer). For an > ISV, that is a pretty good positioning from a cost and support capability.   ? Has some of the positioning changed over the years? Absolutely.   @ Imho, every major company has to adapt to changes in technology, marketing trends etc.=20  C Yes, I would have liked to see Itanium servers come out with faster E speeds before now. However, as the recent online post's for Sun SPARC G and Power5+ have shown, it is not only Intel that is having heat issues " with the latest chip technologies.  F > It doesn't mean that they don't have smaller systems available. They9 > still have small servers that can be configured as a=20  > workstation (but no A > sound support for VMS). But do you see them marketing them ?=20  >=20 >=20F > And for VMS, it is a real hindrance to be limited to a platform that5 > gets targetted only at a small volume niche market.  >=20  6 2-128Cpu business systems is not a small market niche.  @ > Were VMS available on both the 8086 and that IA64 thing, it=20 > could targetA > a greater installed base and would benefit from all the 8086=20 
 > advertising 
 > being done.  >=20  F Well, that line has been discussed to death. Getting the OS onto a newF platform is the small part of any major transition - then there is theG ISV porting, testing, marketing etc. That is the real 800lb gorilla.=20   ? Remember, Cust business folks are interested in reducing costs, G improving service levels etc. They care about applications and how they H impact their bottom line, performance and support of those applications.F They really *do not care* about low level chips or for that matter, HW> platforms either as long as it meets their requirements and isH supported. The platform techie speeds-n-feeds is the realm of company IT@ folks, newsgroups, HW/SW vendors and so called "media analysts".  G For me, I would rather invest in the OS itself and spend $'s on getting G more ISV's than spend another 2-3 years with another hardware port, but  that is only my opinion.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:22:11 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ? Subject: RE: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C00C@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 " > Sent: September 30, 2005 9:43 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?  >=20 > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >=20H > > While Itanium workstations are not a major focus right now, there is> > > nothing to say that this could not be re-visited in the=20 > future.  Will . > > it? I have no idea, but time will tell ... >=20 > "Not a major focus" ???? >=20G > Do you deny that in 2004, both HP and Intel admitted that IA64 wasn't A > cut out for the workstation market and HP announced it would=20 
 > stop making  > IA64 based workstations ?  >=20@ > (Yes, I know you can still get some servers configured as a=20 > workstation,C > but the message last year was quite clear: No IA64 workstations.)  >=20H > Do you deny that Intel has repeatedly made statements to define IA64's& > target market as the very high end ? >=20  A Yes. You have interpreted your high end only statements with rose F coloured dlasses and micro analysis of every press release sentence asG if they were tablets from top of the mountain. And then made subsequent E statements that bear little relevance to what Intel or HP stated. =20   @ > If you deny the above, then we live in different dimensions=20
 > intersected  > only by comp.os.vms. >=20  2 I call planet earth home. What dimension is yours?   :-)    >=20B > Note that as an HP employee, it is permitted for you to not denyH > something HP has said/done. If HP publically says they don't make IA642 > workstations, you don't have to pretend they do. >=20  G Like all companies, there are some guidelines, but HP does not tell its = employees what it can or can not say in public newsgroups.=20   > Re: IA64 workstations .. I never stated they do. I stated IA64F Workstations was not a major focus and that is true. As you mentioned,2 you can configure low end servers as workstations.  D I also stated that this could be re-visited, but that is my own 100%D pure speculation based on other chip's moving in future to dual coreF (heat issues), virtualization capabilities being built into Itanium HWD Architecture, better performance and future costs being more in lineF with X86. However, the decision to not focus on WS's may also never be re-visited. Time will tell ..   D [insert std "it will never happen" arguments fom various nay sayers]   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 07:37:04 -0400 / From: BRAD <brMadAhamPilSton-at-cMomcAst.nPeSt> Y Subject: [OT] - dealing with ;32767 (was:Re: Thought you would enjoy this posting) postin 0 Message-ID: <1bSdnaXzF8Z-6aPeRVn-rA@comcast.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  <snip>5 >> No; he'll be screwed as soon as he gets to ;32767.  >   F BTW - <http://dcl.openvms.org> has a command procedure posted to deal D with these kind of problems.  I'm sure many of us have written such  procedures.    > J > I've been looking at an extremely poorly maintained but critical set of D > VMS systems recently - partly as a favour or I'd have walked away I > considering the state of it. On one node the  backup batch job had not  F > run since 1998. Nobody could figure out why and the extremely major J > household name who provided an outsourced management service for it had K > not been able to figure out why. It's logfile was at 32767. Seven bloody  E > years that defeated one of the largest companies in the world. I'm  I > advising the client (they've taken system management back in house) to  I > sue as that was just one of the smaller tragic tails of mismanagement.  I > To be brutally frank they are lucky they didn't burn the building down  F > considering the number of failed fans and clogged ventilation slots  > throughout the machine room. >   A All too true - while there are many of us with the knowledge and  F experience to deal with simple problems like this, too many of us are H unemployed, while third-party "experts" pull down the "big bucks".  Sad.   --  . Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"@                       "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"=                       "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job"    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.548 ************************