1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 03 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 552       Contents:D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1?D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1?D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1?D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? Re: Drawlib not loaded4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobsF Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) Re: HP's strategy explained :  Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q New Website , Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs!, RE: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs!, Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs!, RE: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! Re: Pipe & MySQL- printing from MS Excel through VMS - followup : Re: PTR, Assets, Freeware Packages (was: Re: Vamp Hacked!)4 Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard TCPWare 5.7 & libpcap  Re: TCPWare 5.7 & libpcap  Re: TCPWare 5.7 & libpcap  Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s!- VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X ( What is holding up linux on wall street?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?- Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? + [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues / Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues / Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues  Re: [OT] - dealing with ;32767 Re: [OT] - dealing with ;32767  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:53:54 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? 3 Message-ID: <CR90f.13637$mg6.3750@news.cpqcorp.net>   7 "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message , news:05100215301865_20216D9F@antinode.org...( > From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>  J >    Done (again).  So far, the screen waster settings have persisted, but, > having "Dtsession*PreferBlank:  1" in both; > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.DT.SESSIONS.CURRENT]DT.SETTINGS;2 and I > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.DT.SESSIONS.CURRENT_OLD]DT.SETTINGS;2 does not seem F > to have had the desired effect.  When I came back after a sufficientG > wait, the power LED on the HP P1110 display was still green and there  > was still a dim raster.  >   ; Well, you have something screwed up.  Just don't know what.   B If you let a unlogged on screen set for 12 minutes or so until the? screen saver blanks it - does the monitor go into screen saver?    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:49:19 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? 2 Message-ID: <05100309491949_20200274@antinode.org>  * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>  = > Well, you have something screwed up.  Just don't know what.   E    Wouldn't amaze me, but I didn't think I did anything very exotic.  1 The DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM includes these:   # $    decw$xsize_in_pixels == "1280" # $    decw$ysize_in_pixels == "1024" ; $ define /system /executive_mode decw$server_pixel_depth 24  and for an ELSA:< $ define /system /executive_mode decw$server_refresh_rate 75# and a bunch of process quota stuff.   H    The screen waster's residual raster does look funny -- only about 3/4F of normal width, with a bit of foldover at the edges, as I recall, butD there definitely is something there, and it keeps the display awake.  D > If you let a unlogged on screen set for 12 minutes or so until theA > screen saver blanks it - does the monitor go into screen saver?   E    I have less primary XP1000 with a fairly fresh installation of VMS F V8.2 (and friends) and an ELSA GLoria Synergy card.  I haven't checkedH its screen saver/waster operation yet, but playing with it would be lessE bothersome than with the primary XP1000.  Should the GZ (ELSA) driver > have the same power-save capability as the GF (3Dlabs) driver?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:08:18 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? ( Message-ID: <dhrhh2$58q$2@pcls4.std.com>  ( Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes:  J >I suggest you change the settings as desired, then log out from DWMOTIF, B >saving Current as you go. Painful I know if you have a gazillion E >connections to other systems, but it's the only way I found to make   >things stick.  H The files in [.DT.SESSIONS.CURRENT] are editable text files, if you knowJ the right incantations.  You could look at the file on a system that works and add the right text.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:57:06 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? 2 Message-ID: <mxc0f.13651$bm6.923@news.cpqcorp.net>  7 "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message , news:05100309491949_20200274@antinode.org...   > G >    I have less primary XP1000 with a fairly fresh installation of VMS H > V8.2 (and friends) and an ELSA GLoria Synergy card.  I haven't checkedJ > its screen saver/waster operation yet, but playing with it would be lessG > bothersome than with the primary XP1000.  Should the GZ (ELSA) driver @ > have the same power-save capability as the GF (3Dlabs) driver? >   K Completely different drivers, but I think that the GZ driver also turns off 4 the appropriate signals to put the monitor to sleep.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:42:59 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded 3 Message-ID: <7P80f.13636$5f6.5798@news.cpqcorp.net>   ; Well, the rest of the gibberish looks to be OpenGL also not ; loading.  It is as if you have the old Open3D kit partially  installed, but not completely.      I "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote in message # news:dhp6ie$fqr$1@news.BelWue.DE... = > In article <1gS%e.13628$JS5.7201@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" $ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > > B > >DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_G*.COM (don't recall offhand the device nameL > >for the 4D20).  It looks at the logical, and if it's not there it appends > >and > >redefines it. > I > I see, it is DECW$DEVICE_CONFIG_GY.COM, would it be safe to modify this  one?I > But things are even more bizarre. On an AlphaStation 600 5/333 with the  sameJ > card and using the same system disk in the very same cluster there is no suchH > error, although the logical DECW$SERVER_EXTENSIONS contains "X3D-PEX", too. > The log here looks like this:  > 6 > ffbvmsScreenInit: Call the Default Colormap Creation/ > ffbvmsScreenInit: Exit from init with success ' > N_InitLGI : MHEAD_LGI flag is enabled  > N_InitLGI : Init SFBPLUS7 > shared library DECW$SERVER_DDX_GY sucessfully loaded.  > SFBPLUS : N_InitMicrocode @ > OptionTable Contents (file: SYS$MANAGER:DECW$XSERVER_O3D.CONF)/ > Export24BitDoubleBufferVisualOnZLXE = "False"  > GL Extension initialized > Build Date and Source Tree: D > DEC:PKO:O3D:3.3.0:x11r6:2.6.0:11:15:95:OSF1:V4.0.214:CC:3.11:OPT:: > Tue Mar 25 23:43:46 EST 1997 >  > % > Whereas on the node with the error:  > 6 > ffbvmsScreenInit: Call the Default Colormap Creation/ > ffbvmsScreenInit: Exit from init with success % > tm_device_init: Drawlib not loaded. ) > PexExtensionInit: DD_DEVICE_INIT failed # > glScreenInit: Drawlib not loaded. & > GLExtensionInit: glScreenInit failed >  > E > In DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM both nodes are configured equally. 	 Somehow I 3 > cannot figure out what is causing the difference?  > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  >  > --  G >  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452  >  ImmunbiologieK >  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de  >  D-79011  Freiburg, Germany ; >                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:58:13 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs + Message-ID: <p_d_e.22599$X6.11728@fe05.lga>    Dan Notov wrote:0 > HP Disputes that there is any money to return: > http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/forbes/SIG=130hk46ba/*http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2005/09/26/hp-france-starck-cx_gl_0926autofacescan02.html?partner=yahootix  > . > Plus, HP could cut fewer jobs than foreseen:t > http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh60914_2005-09-26_18-46-25_pab002084_newsml  > % > [Hope these links don't get munged]   " Thank you. Both links worked fine.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:32:33 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukO Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) ) Message-ID: <dhriuh$1ii$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   c In article <8g1UG9TIfWJS@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: r >In article <7dd80f60510020855vd59bfcfr27b5dee47aa38964@mail.gmail.com>, Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes:@ >> On 10/2/05, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote (in part): >>> Larry Kilgallen wrote:D >>> >    passwords from being displayed when entered; (iii) enforces@ >>> >    password minimum and maximum lifetime restrictions; and >>>                ^^^^^^^B >>> I have never understood the logic of minimum password lifetime1 >>> restrictions, so am surprised to see it here.  >>> # >>> Can anyone enlighten me please?  >>> D >>  I believe that a minimum password lifetime will not let a personB >> change their passwords within a certain time limit of the first
 >> change. >>  I >> This would be useful if you're not using history lists and allow users I >> to repeat passwords often. It would stop people who would change their C >> passwords and then immediately change them back to the original, & >> thereby keeping their old password. > 9 >On certain operating systems from the Pacific Northwest, 6 >I believe one can change the password enough times to: >overflow the password history space and cause the desired3 >password to fall off the end and thus be reusable.  > ? >VMS prevents that attack cold by requiring generated passwords ? >at that point, but lesser operating systems don't seem to have  >figured it out.  L However minimum password lifetime opens up another security vulnerability inN that a user who realises that someone may have seen what new password they setL has to find someone with privileges to override this setting before they canL change their password again. End result - they don't bother because it's too much hassle.    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 08:12:31 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :3 Message-ID: <e+KDa5kOZjKN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <1127775481.763189.110230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, mark_hpq@yahoo.com writes: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> > Larry Kilgallen wrote: E >> Not at all to those of us who are engaged in VMS rather than stock 8 >> market stuff.  If you have something to say, post it. >  > H > You can see that (among other things) Mark Hurd got a bonus of 400,000 > HP stocks G > and now he is laying off 15 % of the employees despite an increase of  > the profits of HP. > ? > The funny thing is that HP claims to be an "ethical" company.    BI=2   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:43:27 -0400, From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q 8 Message-ID: <1128350765_40281@spool6-east.superfeed.net>  C Actually I find that protection of knowledge thing to be offensive.   , We all generally share our knowledge openly.  I The thing is, your question quickly exposed your lack of familiarity with  the actual process.   L Because you asked the question, the way you did, you set off the Alarm bellsI that said someone with light knowledge was going to change the system and J they should first have the sanction of their management to do this, on the- understanding that the activity was going on.   A Most OpenVMS systems in active use today are in high availability L situations, banks, traders, process control, telephony and the like. MessingK up something could mean a real bad situation for more than just the system.     ) "John" <john@yahoooo.co> wrote in message * news:c%30f.16569$R5.1169@news.indigo.ie...L > David, thanks for your considered reply. Don't have to defer to managementG > because I am Management. Thats one thing about IT people they like to G > protect knowledge, seemingly I presume in case they are then the ones  chosenK > by "management" for downsizing, I guess protectionism is still bouyont in  > Information Technology > A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:4340A2EC.252177D8@comcast.net...  > > John wrote:  > >>I > >> How can I install a printer using VMS on an Alpha server. I have the J > >> following code which I notepaded from the last time one was installed and K > >> have changed the relevany name of printer and its IP address to what I 
 > >> want.L > >> Name of Printer = OKI , IP Address = 10.1.1.250. Which is a Dot Matrix. > >>L > >> If I carry out the instructions below will it work or will I cock up myI > >> whole server?? Do I have to add a Print Queue etc .I'm not in IT but  want > >> to J > >> learn something which should be learanable. I can get to the $ prompt etc  > >> > > 	 > > John,  > > B > > No offense, but if you're not in IT, I'd have to defer to yourL > > management to give you the privileges that would be required by what youB > > want to do. In many shops, it would not be security compliant. > > H > > That said, the examples in the on-line documentation may be helpful. > > Start from here: > > $ > > http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc > >  > > --   > > David J Dachtera > > dba DJE Systems  > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > - > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: & > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > > , > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > > & > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  > >  > > Coming soon:* > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page >  >       O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 07:36:03 -0700 ) From: "death boy" <deathboy.86@gmail.com>  Subject: New WebsiteC Message-ID: <1128350163.885589.152430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi5 This website can help you to find any links you want:  http://www.lxlinks.cjb.net Enjoy    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 11:07:29 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! + Message-ID: <3qchnhFe1a6uU1@individual.net>   R In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C017@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>,* 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >  > E > Interesting thing about fabs in general .. Since they are typically I > 24x7x364 days a year, any downtime means that is production output lost 6 > for the year - there is no time to "make up for it". > = > I know of one well known telecom company that also had semi H > manufacturing and used OpenVMS in their primary cluster. They measuredG > downtime in the order of CAD $750K/hour since that is how much wafers I > etc were lost in that one hour. And they were no where near the size of 	 > Intel..  > J > Now imagine what these production types would say when there was monthlyG > downtime to do security patches as is required by Windows/Linux - and H > these folks definitely test everything before it goes into production,+ > so think about the added QA/test times ..   D When you know that is a requirement of your operation you include itE in the planning and it doesn't result in any lost time or production. F Pretty much every manufacturing system has scheduled downtime. NothingD can be run indefinitely with no maintenance.  Other parts of the FABE have to have scheduled maintenance and even with VMS in the back room H the whole saystem would not be operational 24/7/365 with no maintenance.  7 Now, unscheduled downtime, thast is another thing.  :-)      Tell me, do IBM's FABs run VMS?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:32:31 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 5 Subject: RE: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C021@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----$ > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20A > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon  > Sent: October 3, 2005 7:07 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs!  >=20 > In article=20 @ > <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C017@tayexc19.americas.cpqc > orp.net>, , > 	"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > >  > >=20G > > Interesting thing about fabs in general .. Since they are typically B > > 24x7x364 days a year, any downtime means that is production=20
 > output lost 8 > > for the year - there is no time to "make up for it". > >=20? > > I know of one well known telecom company that also had semi ? > > manufacturing and used OpenVMS in their primary cluster.=20  > They measured @ > > downtime in the order of CAD $750K/hour since that is how=20
 > much wafers B > > etc were lost in that one hour. And they were no where near=20
 > the size of  > > Intel..  > >=20= > > Now imagine what these production types would say when=20  > there was monthly 8 > > downtime to do security patches as is required by=20 > Windows/Linux - and A > > these folks definitely test everything before it goes into=20 
 > production, - > > so think about the added QA/test times ..  >=20F > When you know that is a requirement of your operation you include itG > in the planning and it doesn't result in any lost time or production. H > Pretty much every manufacturing system has scheduled downtime. NothingF > can be run indefinitely with no maintenance.  Other parts of the FABG > have to have scheduled maintenance and even with VMS in the back room @ > the whole saystem would not be operational 24/7/365 with no=20 > maintenance. >=20  ? Nope - the planning for QA and testing is primarily focussed on E application changes and mod's. On rare occasion, you might be able to E slip in some testing for an OS patch that is deemed critical. Keep in & mind these can be lengthy test cycles.  F However, if the Operations Mgr went to the App business folks to stateH that he wanted to consume QA/Test cycles *every* month to QA OS securityG patches, they would look at you as if you were from a different planet.   9 > Now, unscheduled downtime, thast is another thing.  :-)  >=20 >=20! > Tell me, do IBM's FABs run VMS?  >=20  H Some of the IBM folks that support OpenVMS & hang out on c.o.v. or other$ IBM rep's would have to answer that.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. =20    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:50:30 -0400, From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! 8 Message-ID: <1128351188_40287@spool6-east.superfeed.net>    Maintenance is ongoing and live.  I Most process control systems are off the main network and the software is K not continuously undergoing patching for security or even for applications. 1 The entire complex runs in a fixed configuration.   K At Canada Post, the mail sorting machinery runs on MicroVAX II systems that G run VMS 5.2 from what I remember. They run at this fixed configuration, I sorting mail all the day and night. Systems do net get tuned, never have. I Parameters were set at install time for a specific performance window and . that is how they have been running ever since.  L I am aware of a VAX cluster in Sweden that ran for 8 years non-stop. It even4 got moved 25 kilometres without a complete shutdown.    5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:3qchnhFe1a6uU1@individual.net...  > In articleG <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C017@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, + > "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:  > >  > > G > > Interesting thing about fabs in general .. Since they are typically K > > 24x7x364 days a year, any downtime means that is production output lost 8 > > for the year - there is no time to "make up for it". > > ? > > I know of one well known telecom company that also had semi J > > manufacturing and used OpenVMS in their primary cluster. They measuredI > > downtime in the order of CAD $750K/hour since that is how much wafers K > > etc were lost in that one hour. And they were no where near the size of  > > Intel..  > > L > > Now imagine what these production types would say when there was monthlyI > > downtime to do security patches as is required by Windows/Linux - and J > > these folks definitely test everything before it goes into production,- > > so think about the added QA/test times ..  > F > When you know that is a requirement of your operation you include itG > in the planning and it doesn't result in any lost time or production. H > Pretty much every manufacturing system has scheduled downtime. NothingF > can be run indefinitely with no maintenance.  Other parts of the FABG > have to have scheduled maintenance and even with VMS in the back room J > the whole saystem would not be operational 24/7/365 with no maintenance. > 9 > Now, unscheduled downtime, thast is another thing.  :-)  >  > ! > Tell me, do IBM's FABs run VMS?  >  > bill >  > --  L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 12:31:11 -0500 2 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)5 Subject: RE: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! 3 Message-ID: <VoqP$OX4IMhJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C017@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:G > Ahh its to bad I could not divulge what major semi-chip manufacturing F > environments use OpenVMS. I suspect the answer would really surprise > most folks ..   0 I would expect the answer to be "all of them"...   --  O   Bob Kaplow   NAR # 18L   >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< E Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  K         This is a country which stands tallest in troubled times, a country K         that clings to fundamental principles, cherishes its constitutional I         heritage, and rejects simple solutions that compromise the values H         that lie at the roots of our democratic system. -- Supreme Court(         Justice Thurgood Marshall, 1972    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 07:54:14 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Pipe & MySQL 4 Message-ID: <dhqkj0$e9g$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > issinoho wrote:  >  >>Mark Berryman wrote: >> >>>issinoho wrote: >>>  >>>  >>>>Here's a challenge...  >>>>J >>>>When loading a database schema into MySQL on platforms such as Linux &I >>>>Windows, the usual format is to redirect a SQL text file to the MySQL  >>>>interpreter as follows,  >>>>0 >>>>    mysql -u username -p database < file.sql >>>>D >>>>at which point it challenges the user for their password, and if& >>>>correct the SQL file is processed. >>>>M >>>>I am trying to do this on VMS but with no luck. I've tried the following,  >>>>7 >>>>    $ pipe mysql -u username -p database < file.sql  >>>>G >>>>Both on the command line and in a DCL file with the password on the  >>>>next line. >>>>H >>>>So far I've been defeated; the password challenge seems to throw theG >>>>piping process. This is a really useful technique - can anyone help  >>>>with this. >>>  >>> E >>>If its okay to put the password on the command line, the following  >>>syntax works: >>> C >>>$ pipe mysql -u username --password=password database < file.sql  >>> K >>>If you must prompt for the password, I have found the following to work:  >>> 7 >>>$ mysql -u username -p -e "source file.sql" database  >>>  >>>Mark Berryman >> >>Thank-you. That *does* work. >>F >>Shame though that the pipe redirection has problems not evidenced on >>other platforms. >  > I > I don't think PIPE is the issue there. Seems to me you're trying to mix 5 > incompatible uses of the stdin (SYS$INPUT) stream.   >  > Try a construct like this: >  > $ SAY := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 
 > $ pipe -% > 	(SAY password ; TYPE file.sql) | - , > 	mysql -u username -p database < SYS$PIPE: > G > ...and see if that works. It might not, but it's another way to "skin G > the cat" if it does, on top of Mike's suggestion which obviously does  > work, as you reported. >   F %DCL-W-INVREDSYN, invalid redirection type specified in a pipe segment   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 05:30:41 -0700 ( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net>6 Subject: printing from MS Excel through VMS - followupC Message-ID: <1128342641.519215.129150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   < Some time ago, I posted the original question (see Subject). http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/7d3ac76264f98827/76f4d9e73a8690f9?q=PCL+FTP&rnum=2&hl=en#76f4d9e73a8690f9  # Thanks for the various suggestions.   G For the record,  here is the solution that our software developers came  up with.  A "Design the form using an MS Office application then select a PCL G printer and print the form to a file. Use ftp to transfer the resulting 4 file to OpenVMS. Transfer the file as a binary file.  F Set up a print queue as a raw tcpip print queue (TCPIP Services). This is done by:   $ stop/queue/reset queue_name*  $ define/system tcpip$telnetsym_raw_tcp 1  $ start/queue queue_name *  $ deassign/system tcpip$telnetsym_raw_tcpE Note that in a clustered environment the logical has to be defined on D the node where the queue is running not simply on the node where you4 are issuing the stop/queue and start/queue commands.  G Print your form file using the /passall qualifier on the print command.   > We wanted to put place holders in the MS Office document (likeB $FieldOneHere$) so that we could find the place holders on VMS andC replace them with dynamic values but when the MS Office application E prints the PCL code to a file the place holder does not always appear G as a complete string. Often, PCL page layout escape sequences are mixed G in with the characters that are supposed to represent the place holders B and a search and replace becomes impossible. If someone else has a@ solution for the place holder problem I would love to hear it. "   regards    Denny    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:23:32 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) C Subject: Re: PTR, Assets, Freeware Packages (was: Re: Vamp Hacked!) 3 Message-ID: <8Wc0f.13658$Ji6.5301@news.cpqcorp.net>   c In article <PCWicgpjLlTE@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: [ :In article <00A4AAAD.49B74AD0.1@tachysoft.com>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:  ..  !   <Discussions of PTR expurgated>   H :The point in mentioning PTR is that you have a more serious need for itJ :right now than I do.  One does not expect VMS Development to assign staffF :to create features for which there is not a serious need.  Similarly,I :I do not expect Steve Hoffman to assign himself the task of fighting the 3 :bureaucracy dragon unless there is a serious need.  : F :I have seen PTR and I am quite impressed.  There is a lot of software :that does not impress me.    F   PTR is a large-scale distributed bug-tracking package, and a distantF   cousin to VDE -- it's large, complex, powerful, and, well, sometimes   even a little bit weird.    G   PTR requires a host of prerequisite software products, including RTR, 9   Rdb, a web server, and various other software packages.   H   As with most any bug-tracking system around, PTR requires specific andH   local configuration, and local software- and process-integration work.  H   I know of no particular plans for the release of PTR as a product, norG   as Freeware, and (as Larry has implied) I am not the person that can  H   formally authorize that release.  (The OpenVMS business managers would   make that call, obviously.)   F   Discussions of the installation process are premature, and presume aH   decision to release the PTR software (whether binary and documentationH   only, or full source code) is made.  This release could conceivably beC   via the HP services organization and a customize software product G   request, or via the Freeware, otherwise.  Or not at all.  But this is =   best discussed directly with the business management folks.    	--   G   When the Assets program was disbanded many years ago now, some of the D   software packages were fully and completely retired, and some wereF   picked up by other engineering groups, and some were released on the+   now-older OpenVMS Freeware distributions.    	--   J   I can forward PTR release requests -- as Freeware or as a services-basedG   commercial package release -- along to the OpenVMS business managers.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:34:29 GMT 1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net> = Subject: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard : Message-ID: <FYd0f.69927$vJ4.42156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>  ? I have a couple of AlphaPC164 motherboards in cases that I use  < personally as workstations and file servers running OpenVMS.  : My problem is that one of the ATX power supplies in one of: AlphaPC164's died on me.  I read the manual that came withA the motherboard and it says to use an ATX power supply.  I bought @ the cases with power supplies quite some time back and they were1 designed to work with the AlphaPC164 motherboard.   H I go out and get a new modern ATX power supply, but it doesn't work, it D won't power up and I ended up taking a power supply out of one of my8 OTHER working AlphaPC164 systems so I could at least get my e-mail server going.   7 My question is, is it even possible to use a modern ATX ; power supply with this motherboard and if so, how?  I would = like to put in something more than a 350W power supply in it.    Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 05:20:25 -0700 % From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: TCPWare 5.7 & libpcapC Message-ID: <1128342025.256169.214140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I notice the process website now has TCPWare 5.7-2 advertised. Any word 1 yet when this will become available to hobbyists?   G Also, HP TCP/IP 5.5 is now advertising libpcap API support, which makes A interacting with 3rd party tools more open. Any word from Process A whether either TCPWare or MultiNet will have (has?) this feature.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:04:26 -0400, From: "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com>" Subject: Re: TCPWare 5.7 & libpcap+ Message-ID: <dhra8s$4sg$1@news.process.com>   0 "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message= news:1128342025.256169.214140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... I > I notice the process website now has TCPWare 5.7-2 advertised. Any word 3 > yet when this will become available to hobbyists?  > I > Also, HP TCP/IP 5.5 is now advertising libpcap API support, which makes C > interacting with 3rd party tools more open. Any word from Process C > whether either TCPWare or MultiNet will have (has?) this feature.  >   I TCPware 5.7-2 isn't shipping yet, but is expected to be shipping within a  month.I I suspect that it will be made available to hobbyists shortly afterwards.   G We do not currently have libpcap API support planned.  I will create an  enhancement  request for it.      ---------------------------  Richard Whalen Process Software   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:12:15 +0100% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> " Subject: Re: TCPWare 5.7 & libpcap0 Message-ID: <11k2bhdppfp4r11@corp.supernews.com>  8 "Richard Whalen" <WhalenR@process.com> wrote in message % news:dhra8s$4sg$1@news.process.com... 2 > "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote in message? > news:1128342025.256169.214140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... J >> I notice the process website now has TCPWare 5.7-2 advertised. Any word4 >> yet when this will become available to hobbyists? >>J >> Also, HP TCP/IP 5.5 is now advertising libpcap API support, which makesD >> interacting with 3rd party tools more open. Any word from ProcessD >> whether either TCPWare or MultiNet will have (has?) this feature. >> > K > TCPware 5.7-2 isn't shipping yet, but is expected to be shipping within a  > month.K > I suspect that it will be made available to hobbyists shortly afterwards.  > I > We do not currently have libpcap API support planned.  I will create an 
 > enhancement  > request for it.  >  >  > ---------------------------  > Richard Whalen > Process Software >  >   $ Thanks, Richard, that's great news.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 07:21:06 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! B Message-ID: <1128349266.082347.71060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  ? we know all about synergex, but the real question is what small ? itanium boxes will be available in the future?  What comes next > after the rx1600 developers boxes are outdated?  I see nothing: in the 1P space to replace them?  We are not just going to= migrate to them and then have no inexpensive boxes after that D in the pipeline!  If intel and HP thinks that only the high end runs< vms, then they are wrong and are driving away customers that; they evidently don't care about losing to other vendors ...    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:59:56 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com># Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! 3 Message-ID: <0Ac0f.13653$Dn6.4315@news.cpqcorp.net>   & <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message< news:1128349266.082347.71060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...A > we know all about synergex, but the real question is what small A > itanium boxes will be available in the future?  What comes next @ > after the rx1600 developers boxes are outdated?  I see nothing< > in the 1P space to replace them?  We are not just going to? > migrate to them and then have no inexpensive boxes after that F > in the pipeline!  If intel and HP thinks that only the high end runs> > vms, then they are wrong and are driving away customers that= > they evidently don't care about losing to other vendors ...  >   F The rx1620 will  continue to be followed onto in the low-end.  I can't@ give you box names for unannounced systems.  If you only want 1P@ on a rx1620, then only order it with 1P.  It is cheaper than the DS15 on the Alpha low-end.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 18:51:55 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! , Message-ID: <43417dcb$1@news.langstoeger.at>  o In article <uqD61eYO3qeS@sinead>, pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) writes: a >In article <0Ac0f.13653$Dn6.4315@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: I >> The rx1620 will  continue to be followed onto in the low-end.  I can't C >> give you box names for unannounced systems.  If you only want 1P C >> on a rx1620, then only order it with 1P.  It is cheaper than the  >> DS15 on the Alpha low-end.  > P >The rx1620 is not that cheap. The price displayed on the hp site is without OS,P >without disks (and they are very expensive) and with only 512 Mb of memory (mayN >be its ok for an IA64 ?). VMS was even not allowed as an OS choice .... grrr. >And no sound card.   H Bob meant "cheap", and Fred replied "cheaper than DS15" which we know isD ridiculously overpriced (just like the DS10 before - but the DS10 isH already on the 2nd market - like EBAY - while the DS15 is not - at leastJ not on EBAY). So, nobody is suprised, yet, and nobody is happy, yet. Sigh.  H (The RX2600 is also already on EBAY, but AFAIK not capable of VMS, whileA the RX2620, the RX1600 and the RX1620 are not on EBAY, so far ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 00:52:24 -0700  From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au 6 Subject: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS XC Message-ID: <1128325944.828962.105210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi Group,   E I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able to F connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac OSX 10.3.x.   C I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get the D ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not asD nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts were pretty poor.   E Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for  Mac OSX?  ? Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files.    Thanks   Stuart   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:36:39 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> : Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X: Message-ID: <r460f.172$B14.144@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>    stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: > Hi Group,  > G > I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able to H > connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac
 > OSX 10.3.x.  > E > I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get the F > ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not asF > nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts > were pretty poor.  > G > Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for 
 > Mac OSX? > A > Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files.  >  > Thanks >  > Stuart >   E    Even though it runs in Classic, I found that NiftyTelnet SSH works B great on the Mac.  You can use the upper row of the numeric keypad$ in EVE, unlike in Mac OS X terminal.  4 http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jonasw/freeware/niftyssh/   -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:34:08 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>: Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X+ Message-ID: <3qcc8hFebn97U1@individual.net>     stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: > Hi Group,  > G > I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able to H > connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac
 > OSX 10.3.x.  > E > I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get the F > ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not asF > nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts > were pretty poor.  > G > Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for 
 > Mac OSX? > A > Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files.  >   H If you don't mind downloading freeware off the net, I've found iTerm to & be pretty good. It's written for OS X.   http://iterm.sourceforge.net/    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:31:55 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann): Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X) Message-ID: <dhqtqb$cu1$1@news.BelWue.DE>   e In article <1128325944.828962.105210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au writes: 
 >Hi Group, > F >I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able toG >connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac  >OSX 10.3.x. > D >I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get theE >ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not as E >nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts  >were pretty poor. > F >Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for	 >Mac OSX?  > @ >Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files.  A I am typing this from a PowerBook G4 under Tiger. The emulater is K "dataComet-Secure" and is pretty good. Have a look under www.databeast.com, N US$ 60 for the telnet version, US$ 70 for the SSH version. A free 30 day trial is available as well.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   ! P.S.: now pressing F10 to post...  --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 04:58:45 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X0 Message-ID: <BF666B05.14E58%roktsci@comcast.net>   On 10/3/05 12:52 AM, in article 6 1128325944.828962.105210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,> "stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au" <stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au> wrote:   > Hi Group,  > G > I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able to H > connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac
 > OSX 10.3.x.  > E > I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get the F > ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not asF > nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts > were pretty poor.  > G > Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for 
 > Mac OSX? > A > Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files.  >  > Thanks >  > Stuart > J I would have preferred the WRQ Reflections, but it is so OLD and only runsJ under OS9. I settled with PowerTerm, and I have the same opinion as you do with it.   Jeff   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 06:56:55 -0700 # From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> : Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS XB Message-ID: <1128347815.953849.75790@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  F There's also aterm, which I've built and tried with limited success onD OS X V10.3.9: http://www.afterstep.org/aterm.php will get you there.( You have to have X11 installed, however.  ? You can use aterm's resource file to remap the keyboard, if you G understand how to assign your own definitions to the appropriate keysym F resources. So far I don't understand very well and have only been ableG to get a few of the numeric keypad keys and f-keys to work. As seems to C be the general case, the upper row of keys is difficult. At least I D have the six editing keys (find, insert here, etc.) mostly working..  C Of course, you should also be able to use X resources to just remap G xterm's keys as needed, but aterm somehow looks nicer and is probably a  lot slimmer, too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:55:52 +0100 & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>: Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X1 Message-ID: <031020051555521544%nospam@yrl.co.uk>   = In article <BF666B05.14E58%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron  <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote:  ! > On 10/3/05 12:52 AM, in article 8 > 1128325944.828962.105210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,@ > "stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au" <stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > 
 > > Hi Group,  > > I > > I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able to J > > connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac > > OSX 10.3.x.  > > G > > I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get the H > > ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not asH > > nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts > > were pretty poor.  > > I > > Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for  > > Mac OSX? > > C > > Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files.  > > 
 > > Thanks > > 
 > > Stuart > > L > I would have preferred the WRQ Reflections, but it is so OLD and only runsL > under OS9. I settled with PowerTerm, and I have the same opinion as you do
 > with it. >  > Jeff > E Hmm, I use terminal on a Powerbook G4 on OS X 10.4.2 and it is almost D perfect after a few tweaks in system preferences->keyboard and mouseA 1. check use f1-f12 to control software features (also in 10.3.x)   G 2. fiddle the modifier keys to put the ctrl key where god intended (use  caps lock key) Tiger only.F You still need to type out the escape sequences for insert and remove,A but that is the penalty you pay for using a girly editor like eve E instead of teco. However, once you upgrade to 10.4.x, terminal allows % you to map the keyboard how you like.   F If you must remap your keyboard in 10.3.x use xterm that comes bundled
 with OS X.G You could even go crazy with a set display and run a proper DECterm. (I E tried it and thought it was too ugly for words) With X11, be prepared = for the usual perpetual fiddling with xinitrc. subscribing to + x11-users@lists.apple.com might be helpful.   ; If you choose Monaco font, you even get the cute little DEC F supplemental characters for cr lf newline and so on. (-1,3:w$$ in teco( aka seeall mode - as if you give a damn)  9 ps. Mac OS X and VMS TCPIP do a good job of ssh together. G pps. it all works fine over wireless, although you should be aware that C the wireless interface on the Mac wants a different IP address (EN1 1 settings for wireless and EN0 for wired ethernet)    --  1 To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ C PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810  E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:37:52 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>: Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X+ Message-ID: <3qd1ihFeava1U1@individual.net>    Elliott Roper wrote:? > In article <BF666B05.14E58%roktsci@comcast.net>, Jeff Cameron  > <roktsci@comcast.net> wrote: >  > ! >>On 10/3/05 12:52 AM, in article 8 >>1128325944.828962.105210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,@ >>"stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au" <stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au> wrote: >> >> >>>Hi Group, >>> H >>>I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able toI >>>connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac  >>>OSX 10.3.x. >>> F >>>I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get theG >>>ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not as G >>>nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts  >>>were pretty poor. >>> H >>>Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for >>>Mac OSX?  >>> B >>>Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files. >>> 	 >>>Thanks  >>> 	 >>>Stuart  >>>  >>L >>I would have preferred the WRQ Reflections, but it is so OLD and only runsL >>under OS9. I settled with PowerTerm, and I have the same opinion as you do
 >>with it. >> >>Jeff >> > G > Hmm, I use terminal on a Powerbook G4 on OS X 10.4.2 and it is almost F > perfect after a few tweaks in system preferences->keyboard and mouseC > 1. check use f1-f12 to control software features (also in 10.3.x)  > I > 2. fiddle the modifier keys to put the ctrl key where god intended (use  > caps lock key) Tiger only.H > You still need to type out the escape sequences for insert and remove,C > but that is the penalty you pay for using a girly editor like eve G > instead of teco. However, once you upgrade to 10.4.x, terminal allows ' > you to map the keyboard how you like.  >   H An alternative to typing those escape sequences within EVE is to define ; CTRL or GOLD sequences for insert and remove in EVEINI.EVE.   H > If you must remap your keyboard in 10.3.x use xterm that comes bundled > with OS X.I > You could even go crazy with a set display and run a proper DECterm. (I G > tried it and thought it was too ugly for words) With X11, be prepared ? > for the usual perpetual fiddling with xinitrc. subscribing to - > x11-users@lists.apple.com might be helpful.  > = > If you choose Monaco font, you even get the cute little DEC H > supplemental characters for cr lf newline and so on. (-1,3:w$$ in teco* > aka seeall mode - as if you give a damn) > ; > ps. Mac OS X and VMS TCPIP do a good job of ssh together. I > pps. it all works fine over wireless, although you should be aware that E > the wireless interface on the Mac wants a different IP address (EN1 3 > settings for wireless and EN0 for wired ethernet)  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:28:32 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>: Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X( Message-ID: <43415C30.760C3791@mist.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:  > g > In article <1128325944.828962.105210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au writes:  > >Hi Group, > > H > >I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able toI > >connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac  > >OSX 10.3.x. > > F > >I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get theG > >ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not as G > >nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts  > >were pretty poor. > > H > >Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for > >Mac OSX?  > > B > >Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files. > C > I am typing this from a PowerBook G4 under Tiger. The emulater is M > "dataComet-Secure" and is pretty good. Have a look under www.databeast.com, P > US$ 60 for the telnet version, US$ 70 for the SSH version. A free 30 day trial > is available as well.  >   8 Seeing that you are using Tiger OS X, are you having any& issues with Safari locking up the o/s?: I heard that lookupd is causing the problems, but not sure< if Apple has resolved the problem or there is a work around.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 07:49:32 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com 1 Subject: What is holding up linux on wall street? C Message-ID: <1128350972.463035.231450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   = I'll tell you what ... security and reliability and a million < lawyers waiting to sue if anything happens to someones money= such as a failed orders taking place because the latest patch > of the day had not been installed ... OpenVMS CERT counts when@ compared with linux tells you why, not to mention it is the gold; standard in clustering ... only 9/11 systems to stand where < OpenVMS systems ... and no trading company or stock exchange; in its right mind would risk massive law suits just to look 
 trendy ...  6 http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6027/1/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:45:49 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> ? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? 3 Message-ID: <xub0f.13641$Ji6.4851@news.cpqcorp.net>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:D > and that is exactly why long time vms users like us may have to go< > to sun or IBM because we have multiple 2-10 user workgroup@ > environments where 1P is needed at a cost that was promised us > when alpha was dropped!  ... ;  > now you have renigged on your cheap 1P itanium boxes you <  > promised as part of the reasoning alpha was being dumped!  C Both the rx1600 and rx2600, though 2p-capable, can be purchased as   inexpensive 1p systems.   D And as Kerry pointed out, you can get an rx1600 for $2K through the  porting seminar.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 07:50:18 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com ? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? C Message-ID: <1128351018.319335.132930@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   4 and what comes after them ??????????????????????????   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:04:42 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? 3 Message-ID: <uEc0f.13656$am6.6379@news.cpqcorp.net>   & <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message= news:1128351018.319335.132930@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... 6 > and what comes after them ?????????????????????????? >   9 Come on.  Since when did anyone announce the box names or @ feature sets of future systems until they were about to come out> and replace the existing boxes.  Rest assured that the rx1600,? which was followed by the rx1620, will have a follow on system. > It's on the roadmap, I know what it is.  You would need an NDA to see it though.   = While high-end boxes are the big money in terms of each sale, 0 the low and mid range are usually higher volume.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 07:56:25 -0700  From: Don.Zong@gmail.com6 Subject: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?C Message-ID: <1128351385.905574.204750@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   5 Seems it was not mentioned in the OpenVMS roadmap ...    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 16:59:28 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues, Message-ID: <43416370$1@news.langstoeger.at>  J I saw a keyword "GENERIC" to F$GETQUI to get a list of all generic queues.I But I don't saw a keyword "EXECUTION" or similar to get all other queues. I Do I have to loop over all queues, check if it's GENERIC and if yes, then J jump over, or is there a better way (like a keyword I overlooked so far) ?   TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 11:36:21 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues3 Message-ID: <wXeekSYKcmgx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <43416370$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: L > I saw a keyword "GENERIC" to F$GETQUI to get a list of all generic queues.K > But I don't saw a keyword "EXECUTION" or similar to get all other queues. K > Do I have to loop over all queues, check if it's GENERIC and if yes, then  > jump over,  > Even if you do, there should be many fewer GENERIC queues than execution queue.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 18:57:34 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)8 Subject: Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues, Message-ID: <43417f1e$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <wXeekSYKcmgx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: f >In article <43416370$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:M >> I saw a keyword "GENERIC" to F$GETQUI to get a list of all generic queues. L >> But I don't saw a keyword "EXECUTION" or similar to get all other queues.L >> Do I have to loop over all queues, check if it's GENERIC and if yes, then
 >> jump over,  > ? >Even if you do, there should be many fewer GENERIC queues than  >execution queue.     Indeed, but what is your point ?  % Currently I do already jump over with y $ IF ((F$GETQUI (("DISPLAY_QUEUE", "QUEUE_FLAGS", "''queue':", "FREEZE_CONTEXT") .AND. %X200) .NE. 0 THEN GOTO next_queue . but there could be a better way, couldn't it ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 06:21:27 -0400 / From: BRAD <brMadAhamPilSton-at-cMomcAst.nPeSt> ' Subject: Re: [OT] - dealing with ;32767 0 Message-ID: <bKKdnXPN-f62m9zeRVn-iA@comcast.com>   Z wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote:  > H >>> Just because it's simple to write a DCL procedure or issue a few DCLI >>> commands to prune versions, that doesn't necessarily make the problem  >>> simple.  >  > F >> True. There's a lot of places where fully-qualified filespec.'s areI >> stored, including the version. Go and changed those, you'd have rather  >> an issue to deal with.  >>E >> Also, not quite sure what the reference to "version pruning" truly K >> indicates. PURGE and version limits seems to do quite nicely, other than  >> the ;32767 thing. >  > I > Sorry "version pruning," as I use the term, is some way to address the  F > ;32767 issue. If could be using N minutes of scheduled down time to J > purge/rename or embed a date/time into filenames or directories created H > so that there's only a ;1 version or even building a transaction that 9 > closes/opens files so that files can be purged/renamed.  >   F I thought that RENAME would change the file version of a file that is I open for access; no downtime needed.  I'm probably misunderstanding your  " specific application requirements.  A Anyway, that's how RENAME works on my system, with SSH log files.    <snip> --  . Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"@                       "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"9 %SYSBOOT-F-INSVIRMEM, insufficient virtual... um... er...    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:33:18 -0400, From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com>' Subject: Re: [OT] - dealing with ;32767 8 Message-ID: <1128350155_40273@spool6-east.superfeed.net>  J On systems that I used to manage at Digital I used to run a batch job thatK walked through various directories during low cpu usage and paired back the ; number of file versions, this on our manufacturing systems.   E On all of our corporate computer systems worldwide, shortly after the J Mitnick incident, we set a corporate standard that set all systems to veryH specific settings for all kinds of things. This was automatically set byL DECInspect and enforced also by the DECInspect tool. As auditing for all theL various settings was turned on, if you changed something that was controlledI without getting prior approval by committee, you usually got a phone call I within the hour asking you what you thought you were doing. Non-compliant I systems, no matter how important they were they could be removed from the H network quite quickly. For file versions, I seem to remember that we set that to 3 maximum.  L Now before you all go big brother on me, we, the System Management communityL in Digital decided that this was the best way to handle the issue of 10's ofH thousands of systems worldwide all being used and managed by people withI extensive skills and others with almost no skills. By setting a Corporate L Standard that defined the base security configuration of all systems, we hadH a vehicle that we could use to set up, manage and modify in a structuredL manner. I came to love the setup, as the standard also identified the actualJ responsible manager that owned each and every system as well as the actualG system manager for each and every system, which made it easy to contact + folks about issues involving their systems.   E FWIW, I remember the cleanup after Mitnick took about 3 days. His DCL J command procedure was poorly writtern and just clogged the network copyingJ useless stuff from system to system, hundreds of times per machine. What a	 dickhead.    rtt     7 "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com> wrote in message 2 news:1128302982_39851@spool6-east.superfeed.net...C > It will live on around the world forever, even if just in backups 
 somewhere. > H > Once you hit send, the news group posting lands on hundreds of servers. > within seconds and thousands within minutes. > ! > You cannot delete the internet.  >  > : > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message- > news:55SdnXL-S64Wt93eRVn-3Q@adelphia.com...  > > Alan Greig wrote:  > > > K > > > Drat, I just sent a public reply that was meant to be a reply/sender. L > > > Please pretend you didn't see it if you are on the mailing list or see' > > > it before I cancel it in news :-)  > > G > > As a casualty of pranksters running cancelbots canceling legitimate 4 > > posts, many new servers no longer honor cancels. > > K > > comp.os.vms appears also to be privately archived in many places, and I = > > am not sure how to find all of them for private removals.  > > K > > Apparently if you fill out some web form on google they will remove the . > > copy of your post that they have archived. > > 	 > > -John  > > wb8tyw@qsl.network > > Personal Opinion Only  > >  >  >  > F > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet
 News==----J > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+
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