1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 553       Contents:D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1?D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1?D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? Re: DELL dumped Itanic?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic? F RE: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767)F Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767)F RE: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q New OpenVMS brochure Re: New OpenVMS brochureD New white paper on OpenVMS Cluster support with HP Integrity Servers' OT : Is HP still socially responsible ?  Re: Pipe & MySQL Re: Pipe & MySQL8 Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard8 Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard( Re: Thought you would enjoy this posting Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s!1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X / Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues / Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues  Re: [OT] - dealing with ;32767 Re: [OT] - dealing with ;32767  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:56:01 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? 2 Message-ID: <05100312560146_20200274@antinode.org>  * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>  I > >    I have less primary XP1000 with a fairly fresh installation of VMS J > > V8.2 (and friends) and an ELSA GLoria Synergy card.  I haven't checkedL > > its screen saver/waster operation yet, but playing with it would be lessI > > bothersome than with the primary XP1000.  Should the GZ (ELSA) driver B > > have the same power-save capability as the GF (3Dlabs) driver? > M > Completely different drivers, but I think that the GZ driver also turns off 6 > the appropriate signals to put the monitor to sleep.  D    I'm starting to think that you're making the whole thing up.  The> secondary XP1000 (500 MHz) with the ELSA (GZ) card has a cleanH installation of OPENVMS V8.2, DWMOTIF V1.5, and not a whole lot more.  I" added the node-specific changes toH SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM to match the same fileA on the primary system, with these obvious results (from "SHOW LOG  DECW*"):  "   "DECW$SERVER_PIXEL_DEPTH" = "24"#   "DECW$SERVER_REFRESH_RATE" = "75"   G    It seems to work the same as the primary system with the 3Dlabs (GF) F card, that is, no true display sleep mode.  The display on this systemE is some Dell/Sony thing with a power LED which turns yellow when it's E attached to a Mac and the Mac goes into Energy Save mode.  On the VMS D system, the screen goes dark but the LED stays green (and there's noG click from what I assume is some relay inside the thing, either).  (The A LEDs on the LK450-AA flash in an entertaining sequence, however.)   H    Aside from a brief flash/click between logout and the appearance of aF new "Welcome to LOCAL:.ALP2" login window, I never see any evidence ofF anything like a sleepy display mode, just a dark screen.  This is trueF for a logged-in session and for the login window.  Waiting long enough; to engage the screen lock also seems to make no difference.   
    Initially:   A ALP2 $ type SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.dt.sessions.current]dt.settings;1  Dtsession*AllowExp:     1  Dtsession*Interval:     600  Dtsession*ShutDownMode: 4 ! Dtsession*ShutDownState:        1  Dtsession*PreferBlank:  0  Dtsession*Timeout:      120   ?    After manual editing and a couple of login-logout and reboot  operations:   @ ALP2 $ type SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.dt.sessions.current]dt.settings; Dtsession*AllowExp:     1  Dtsession*Interval:     600  Dtsession*ShutDownMode: 4 ! Dtsession*ShutDownState:        1  Dtsession*PreferBlank:  1  Dtsession*Timeout:      120   D    If it would be useful, I could probably find enough connectors toF create a break-out display cable and scope the wires of your choice toA see better exactly what it _is_ doing, but it's pretty clear that ? whatever it is, it's not persuading any of the displays I have.   6    Any other suggestions would be gratefully received.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:23:42 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? 3 Message-ID: <24j0f.13731$YJ6.3011@news.cpqcorp.net>   I Hmmm.  Taking a look at it, it seems that it is setup for a "light sleep"  mode. D IIRC we force VSYNC active high, and HSYNC active low - which is oneC of the power saver modes.  IIRC there are several power down modes, H each takes a different amount of time to power various monitors up from.J Without actually looking closer into it, my guess is that it isn't putting the 2 monitor into sleep mode - to allow faster on time.    7 "Steven M. Schweda" <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message , news:05100312560146_20200274@antinode.org..., > From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> > K > > >    I have less primary XP1000 with a fairly fresh installation of VMS L > > > V8.2 (and friends) and an ELSA GLoria Synergy card.  I haven't checkedI > > > its screen saver/waster operation yet, but playing with it would be  lessK > > > bothersome than with the primary XP1000.  Should the GZ (ELSA) driver D > > > have the same power-save capability as the GF (3Dlabs) driver? > > K > > Completely different drivers, but I think that the GZ driver also turns  off 8 > > the appropriate signals to put the monitor to sleep. > F >    I'm starting to think that you're making the whole thing up.  The@ > secondary XP1000 (500 MHz) with the ELSA (GZ) card has a cleanJ > installation of OPENVMS V8.2, DWMOTIF V1.5, and not a whole lot more.  I$ > added the node-specific changes toJ > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM to match the same fileC > on the primary system, with these obvious results (from "SHOW LOG 
 > DECW*"): > $ >   "DECW$SERVER_PIXEL_DEPTH" = "24"% >   "DECW$SERVER_REFRESH_RATE" = "75"  > I >    It seems to work the same as the primary system with the 3Dlabs (GF) H > card, that is, no true display sleep mode.  The display on this systemG > is some Dell/Sony thing with a power LED which turns yellow when it's G > attached to a Mac and the Mac goes into Energy Save mode.  On the VMS F > system, the screen goes dark but the LED stays green (and there's noI > click from what I assume is some relay inside the thing, either).  (The C > LEDs on the LK450-AA flash in an entertaining sequence, however.)  > J >    Aside from a brief flash/click between logout and the appearance of aH > new "Welcome to LOCAL:.ALP2" login window, I never see any evidence ofH > anything like a sleepy display mode, just a dark screen.  This is trueH > for a logged-in session and for the login window.  Waiting long enough= > to engage the screen lock also seems to make no difference.  >  >    Initially:  > C > ALP2 $ type SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.dt.sessions.current]dt.settings;1  > Dtsession*AllowExp:     1  > Dtsession*Interval:     600  > Dtsession*ShutDownMode: 4 # > Dtsession*ShutDownState:        1  > Dtsession*PreferBlank:  0  > Dtsession*Timeout:      120  > A >    After manual editing and a couple of login-logout and reboot 
 > operations:  > B > ALP2 $ type SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR.dt.sessions.current]dt.settings; > Dtsession*AllowExp:     1  > Dtsession*Interval:     600  > Dtsession*ShutDownMode: 4 # > Dtsession*ShutDownState:        1  > Dtsession*PreferBlank:  1  > Dtsession*Timeout:      120  > F >    If it would be useful, I could probably find enough connectors toH > create a break-out display cable and scope the wires of your choice toC > see better exactly what it _is_ doing, but it's pretty clear that A > whatever it is, it's not persuading any of the displays I have.  > 8 >    Any other suggestions would be gratefully received. > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:53:21 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? 2 Message-ID: <05100319532148_20200274@antinode.org>  * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>  K > Hmmm.  Taking a look at it, it seems that it is setup for a "light sleep"  > mode. F > IIRC we force VSYNC active high, and HSYNC active low - which is oneE > of the power saver modes.  IIRC there are several power down modes, J > each takes a different amount of time to power various monitors up from.L > Without actually looking closer into it, my guess is that it isn't putting > the 4 > monitor into sleep mode - to allow faster on time.  D    Having no handy power measuring instrument, I can't say much with@ authority, but it sure seems unlikely to me that leaving the CRTG filament on, the HV on, and the sweep operating is actually saving much D power.  I thought that the whole idea was to let the user suffer for6 twenty seconds if he left the room for an hour or two.  F    So, I'll return to my almost original question: Is there any chanceF of getting a serious power-save mode?  (Having a user interface like aG check-box (or two) in the Screen control would be nice, too, instead of D having to edit a file and hope that it doesn't get overwritten whileG you're not looking.)  On the bright side, the only cards I have are the E 3Dlabs Oxygen, the ELSA GLoria, and the PBXGA, so that should lighten 1 the workload some (as no one else seems to care).   F    On the _actual_ original complaint, after all the fooling around, IH haven't caught it again reverting to mystery settings.  But I still haveA my eye on it.  (I want to make that clear in case it's reading my  e-mail.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:03:31 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?4 Message-ID: <7Ni0f.13726$TI6.11192@news.cpqcorp.net>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: ' > DELL dumps their Itanium server pages   + Illuminata has this take on the situation:  , http://www.illuminata.com/perspectives/?p=82  I "Last week must have been slow for news. Either that, or the opportunity  H to Itanium-bash is just so irresistible that otherwise reliable writers D jump on rumors that just arent credible or stories that strain the  definition of newsworthiness." ... F "Companies like Dell who have zero desire to design their own support D electronics dont have a good option to offer Itaniums today. Intel I cancelled its Bayshore chipset successor to the 870 a while back because  I the major Itanium OEMs like HP and SGI were building their own chipsets,  F leaving precious little demand for an Intel product. Thus, until such H time as Itanium and x86 Xeon interconnect logic converges in about 2007 G (with Tukwila and Whitefields Common System Interface) OEMs who might  I otherwise contemplate selling a commodity Itanium system as a sideline   dont really have that option.  F Thus, Dells decision to get out of the Itanium business doesnt shed . light on any worsening of Itaniums fortunes."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 19:41:49 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>  Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?= Message-ID: <nOKdnX0j79NcXNzeRVn-hQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    Keith Parris wrote: / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > ( >> DELL dumps their Itanium server pages >  > - > Illuminata has this take on the situation:  . > http://www.illuminata.com/perspectives/?p=82 > K > "Last week must have been slow for news. Either that, or the opportunity  J > to Itanium-bash is just so irresistible that otherwise reliable writers F > jump on rumors that just arent credible or stories that strain the   > definition of newsworthiness." > ... H > "Companies like Dell who have zero desire to design their own support F > electronics dont have a good option to offer Itaniums today. Intel K > cancelled its Bayshore chipset successor to the 870 a while back because  K > the major Itanium OEMs like HP and SGI were building their own chipsets,  H > leaving precious little demand for an Intel product. Thus, until such J > time as Itanium and x86 Xeon interconnect logic converges in about 2007 I > (with Tukwila and Whitefields Common System Interface) OEMs who might  K > otherwise contemplate selling a commodity Itanium system as a sideline    > dont really have that option. > H > Thus, Dells decision to get out of the Itanium business doesnt shed 0 > light on any worsening of Itaniums fortunes."  H Ah, yes - aren't paid 'analysts' wonderful?  Always there when you need F 'em, even when what you need them to say reverses from one day to the H next.  And they don't always even wait for an article to be ordered up: G   after all, they know which side their bread is buttered on, and want   that butter supply to continue.   I What Dell's decision to dump Itanic shows is that there's no significant  G market for Itanic outside those which vendors like HP and SGI actively  C created by dumping their own platforms and leaving their customers  F little choice.  Otherwise, Dell would be able to sell them, and Intel H would have found it well worth it to continue with the Bayshore chipset " to enable those sales to continue.  H By the way, while CSI should indeed debut in 2007 with Whitefield, it's B looking a lot like there won't be any Itanic able to use it until E Tukwila (which is looking a lot more like a 2008 than a 2007 product   these days).   = bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:04:15 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> O Subject: RE: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C050@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----E > From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk]=20   > Sent: October 3, 2005 11:33 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com = > Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations=20  > integrity (was ;32767) >=208 > In article <8g1UG9TIfWJS@eisner.encompasserve.org>,=201 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > >In article=20A > <7dd80f60510020855vd59bfcfr27b5dee47aa38964@mail.gmail.com>,=20 + > Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes: B > >> On 10/2/05, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote (in part): > >>> Larry Kilgallen wrote:F > >>> >    passwords from being displayed when entered; (iii) enforcesB > >>> >    password minimum and maximum lifetime restrictions; and > >>>                ^^^^^^^D > >>> I have never understood the logic of minimum password lifetime3 > >>> restrictions, so am surprised to see it here.  > >>> % > >>> Can anyone enlighten me please?  > >>> F > >>  I believe that a minimum password lifetime will not let a personD > >> change their passwords within a certain time limit of the first > >> change. > >>=20 B > >> This would be useful if you're not using history lists and=20
 > allow users A > >> to repeat passwords often. It would stop people who would=20  > change theirE > >> passwords and then immediately change them back to the original, ( > >> thereby keeping their old password. > > ; > >On certain operating systems from the Pacific Northwest, 8 > >I believe one can change the password enough times to< > >overflow the password history space and cause the desired5 > >password to fall off the end and thus be reusable.  > > A > >VMS prevents that attack cold by requiring generated passwords A > >at that point, but lesser operating systems don't seem to have  > >figured it out. >=20@ > However minimum password lifetime opens up another security=20 > vulnerability inA > that a user who realises that someone may have seen what new=20  > password they set A > has to find someone with privileges to override this setting=20  > before they can @ > change their password again. End result - they don't bother=20 > because it's too > much hassle. >=20 >=20     David,  F Would this not be solved by letting them change passwords on their ownG at 1 hour (or some short time), but using password history to not allow  the last x number of passwords?    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:36:47 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>O Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) ) Message-ID: <P0l0f.2162$g85.548@trnddc01>    Paul Sture wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > <snip> >  > Thanks for that Larry. >  >>E >> Supplemental Guidance: Users take reasonable measures to safeguard I >>    authenticators including maintaining possession of their individual H >>    authenticators, not loaning or sharing authenticators with others,C >>    and reporting lost or compromised authenticators immediately. @ >>    For password-based authentication, the information system:= >>    (i) protects passwords from unauthorized disclosure and > >>    modification when stored and transmitted; (ii) prohibitsA >>    passwords from being displayed when entered; (iii) enforces = >>    password minimum and maximum lifetime restrictions; and  >  >               ^^^^^^^ A > I have never understood the logic of minimum password lifetime  / > restrictions, so am surprised to see it here.  > ! > Can anyone enlighten me please?   @ The only sensible reason I have heard is to prevent someone from? reusing a password by changing it repeatedly until the password ? history has aged off the previous password and then changing it  back to the original value.   = If the minimum password lifetime times the number of retained ; passwords is long enough (more than a month or two), gaming < the system is pointless since the gamer needs to use the new> password long enough to remember it and get comfortable typing it.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 22:09:30 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) O Subject: RE: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) 3 Message-ID: <v5q+4OZ8ajUU@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C050@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >  >  >> -----Original Message----- F >> From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk]=20! >> Sent: October 3, 2005 11:33 AM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> >> Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations=20 >> integrity (was ;32767)  >>=20 9 >> In article <8g1UG9TIfWJS@eisner.encompasserve.org>,=20 2 >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  < >> >On certain operating systems from the Pacific Northwest,9 >> >I believe one can change the password enough times to = >> >overflow the password history space and cause the desired 6 >> >password to fall off the end and thus be reusable. >> >B >> >VMS prevents that attack cold by requiring generated passwordsB >> >at that point, but lesser operating systems don't seem to have >> >figured it out.  >>=20 A >> However minimum password lifetime opens up another security=20  >> vulnerability in B >> that a user who realises that someone may have seen what new=20 >> password they setB >> has to find someone with privileges to override this setting=20 >> before they canA >> change their password again. End result - they don't bother=20  >> because it's too  >> much hassle.  >>=20  >>=20  >  >  > David, > H > Would this not be solved by letting them change passwords on their ownI > at 1 hour (or some short time), but using password history to not allow ! > the last x number of passwords?   E Allowing one hour for the person known to have purloined the password % to have full use of it is a bad idea.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:54:50 +0100! From: "John" <r.@9999yahoo.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q 0 Message-ID: <b0g0f.16600$R5.1286@news.indigo.ie>  H Rest assured Richard I'm not in the process of raiding your bank a/c or M anyone elses, nor in any of the areas you suggest 'most' VMS systems are in.  L I am simply trying to add a printer on VMS, this is turning into top secret  stuff         8 "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com> wrote in message 2 news:1128350765_40281@spool6-east.superfeed.net...E > Actually I find that protection of knowledge thing to be offensive.  > . > We all generally share our knowledge openly. > K > The thing is, your question quickly exposed your lack of familiarity with  > the actual process.  > I > Because you asked the question, the way you did, you set off the Alarm   > bells K > that said someone with light knowledge was going to change the system and L > they should first have the sanction of their management to do this, on the/ > understanding that the activity was going on.  > C > Most OpenVMS systems in active use today are in high availability G > situations, banks, traders, process control, telephony and the like.  	 > Messing F > up something could mean a real bad situation for more than just the 	 > system.  >  > + > "John" <john@yahoooo.co> wrote in message , > news:c%30f.16569$R5.1169@news.indigo.ie...C >> David, thanks for your considered reply. Don't have to defer to  
 >> management H >> because I am Management. Thats one thing about IT people they like toH >> protect knowledge, seemingly I presume in case they are then the ones > chosenL >> by "management" for downsizing, I guess protectionism is still bouyont in >> Information Technology  >>B >> "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message( >> news:4340A2EC.252177D8@comcast.net... >> > John wrote: >> >> J >> >> How can I install a printer using VMS on an Alpha server. I have theK >> >> following code which I notepaded from the last time one was installed  > and L >> >> have changed the relevany name of printer and its IP address to what I >> >> want. F >> >> Name of Printer = OKI , IP Address = 10.1.1.250. Which is a Dot 
 >> >> Matrix.  >> >> K >> >> If I carry out the instructions below will it work or will I cock up   >> >> myJ >> >> whole server?? Do I have to add a Print Queue etc .I'm not in IT but > want >> >> toK >> >> learn something which should be learanable. I can get to the $ prompt  > etc  >> >>  >> >
 >> > John, >> >C >> > No offense, but if you're not in IT, I'd have to defer to your J >> > management to give you the privileges that would be required by what  >> > youC >> > want to do. In many shops, it would not be security compliant.  >> >I >> > That said, the examples in the on-line documentation may be helpful.  >> > Start from here:  >> >% >> > http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc  >> > >> > --  >> > David J Dachtera  >> > dba DJE Systems >> > http://www.djesys.com/  >> >. >> > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:' >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  >> >- >> > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: $ >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >> >' >> > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: $ >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ >> > >> > Coming soon: + >> > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page  >> >> >  >  > G > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet   > News==----K > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+   > NewsgroupsH > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption  > =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:12:39 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q + Message-ID: <4341E517.352282A6@comcast.net>    John wrote:  > L > David, thanks for your considered reply. Don't have to defer to managementG > because I am Management. Thats one thing about IT people they like to  > protect knowledge,  + That seems like an unfair characterization.   ; > seemingly I presume in case they are then the ones chosen ! > by "management" for downsizing,   B In any company I've ever worked for, it had more to do with who isE authorized to do what. I had one job that I almost quit the first day F because the CIO did something to system without my knowledge, and whenA challenged, he proclaimed that the job I was hired to do was his. C (Rather a strange bird - the exception, not the rule, fortunately.)   B Where I work now, the CTO is not authorized to access the back-endE systems, and if he did, and I found it, I'd lose *MY* job if I didn't 
 report it.  H In some workplaces, what you're proposing, if not duly authorized, couldF be construed as unauthorized computer access, and could leave you open$ to termination, prosecution or both.  + > I guess protectionism is still bouyont in  > Information Technology  E That's never stopped any company *I'VE* ever worked for. Most of them E are so adept at shooting themselves in the foot, their "feet" now end D just below the scalp (i.e., there's little or nothing of them left).E Think of it as Micro$lop axing Bill Gates because his salary+benefits A was too expensive. "Key" people have no protection, by and large.   : Like Richard T., I too find that classification offensive.  G As a member of management in a past "life", I'd like to suggest that it F may be more constructive overall to view your tech. staff as your teamC members, rather than as adversaries. In my experience, that form of ? relationship has proven to be eminently more productive than an  adversarial arrangement.   My $0.02...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:29:44 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>  Subject: New OpenVMS brochure 3 Message-ID: <I9j0f.13734$rJ6.7010@news.cpqcorp.net>   < New brochure details benefits of HP OpenVMS operating system by Marc Courchesne  I The new brochure, "HP OpenVMS: Exceeding the expectations of the worlds  F most demanding enterprises," is now available. The brochure offers an A array of detailed information and proof points, highlighting the  I exceptional features and benefits of the OpenVMS environment for both HP  2 Integrity servers and HP AlphaServer systems. See 7 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9831EN.pdf    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:18:44 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>! Subject: Re: New OpenVMS brochure + Message-ID: <4341E684.19019CC7@comcast.net>    Keith Parris wrote:  > > > New brochure details benefits of HP OpenVMS operating system > by Marc Courchesne > J > The new brochure, "HP OpenVMS: Exceeding the expectations of the worldsG > most demanding enterprises," is now available. The brochure offers an B > array of detailed information and proof points, highlighting theJ > exceptional features and benefits of the OpenVMS environment for both HP3 > Integrity servers and HP AlphaServer systems. See 9 > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/5982-9831EN.pdf   D ...and the mainstream publications where this has been mentioend are ...?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:32:17 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> M Subject: New white paper on OpenVMS Cluster support with HP Integrity Servers 4 Message-ID: <5cj0f.13738$rJ6.10497@news.cpqcorp.net>  K New white paper details HP OpenVMS Cluster support for HP Integrity servers  By Marc Courchesne  A The new white paper, HP OpenVMS Cluster support on HP Integrity  A servers, provides detailed information about HP OpenVMS Cluster  C software running on HP Integrity servers and how the design of the  G OpenVMS Cluster architecture facilitates the integration of OpenVMS on  G HP Integrity servers into an existing OpenVMS Cluster environment. See  8 http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-2161ENW.pdf   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 12:06:13 -0700  From: mark_hpq@yahoo.com0 Subject: OT : Is HP still socially responsible ?B Message-ID: <1128366373.932169.17050@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  ( Seen in "La Tribune" of October 3 2005 :  " Is HP still socially responsible ?      = Dominique Biedermann, general manager of Ethical fund Ethos :   5 As long term investor, we analyze companies globally. 9 Today, Hewlett-PAckard must justify these layoffs because * they affect sites which mainly do profits.+ Where is the coherence of such a strategy ? 5 Of course the IT market changes but this is not new : 3 HP could have invested in new activities instead of  killing so many jobs. 5 How can one speak of responsible developpement seeing  these conditions ? (...) 5 I also think that a law should limit exercising stock 3 options while work force reduction plans are active 3 so that high managers keep their credibility by not ( taking profit of the raise of the stock.   More info :    http://cftchp.blogspot.com/  http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:11:08 -0700 # From: Joe Bloggs <JBloggs@acme.com>  Subject: Re: Pipe & MySQL 8 Message-ID: <1673k1dnsvedteq9tehgqk28mapruv50oc@4ax.com>  A On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:18:36 +0100, issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com>  wrote:   >Here's a challenge... > H >When loading a database schema into MySQL on platforms such as Linux & G >Windows, the usual format is to redirect a SQL text file to the MySQL   >interpreter as follows, > * >	mysql -u username -p database < file.sql > J >at which point it challenges the user for their password, and if correct  >the SQL file is processed.  > J >I am trying to do this on VMS but with no luck. I've tried the following, > 1 >	$ pipe mysql -u username -p database < file.sql  > J >Both on the command line and in a DCL file with the password on the next  >line. > F >So far I've been defeated; the password challenge seems to throw the J >piping process. This is a really useful technique - can anyone help with  >this. >  >Thanks.  F somewhat on a tangent, but the showstopper for me, wrt. pipe && mySQL,< (and then, mySQL itself) was getting a *useful* status back  to the DCL cmd-line.    7 in the end, I wound up wrapping most/all mySQL scripts  * inside perl wrappers; small example below:     perl -w mysql_exec.pl -  --timeout='timeout' -  --cmd="''sql_cmd'" - 2>&1 >'tmpnam'.stderr    ============   use strict;    use DBI; use vmsish;  use Getopt::Long; ) use Sys::SigAction qw( set_sig_handler );    my $ds      = 'dbi:mysql'; my $db      = 'dbname';  my $host    = 'localhost'; my $usr     = 'user';  my $psw     = 'password';  my $cmd     = 'SHOW STATUS;';  my $trace   = 0;' my $timeout = 300;          # 5 minutes 	 my $file;    my $dbh; my $sth;     my @cmds = ();       GetOptions(            'db=s'      => \$db          , 'usr=s'     => \$usr         , 'psw=s'     => \$psw         , 'cmd=s'     => \$cmd         , 'host=s'    => \$host           , 'trace=i'   => \$trace"         , 'timeout=i' => \$timeout         , 'file=s'    => \$file 
         );       $ds .= ':' . $db;      $ds .= ':' . $host;        if( $file ) {      $         if( open( FH ,"<$file" )) {                       my $tmp = $\; ,                 undef $/;       # slurp mode                 $cmd = <FH>;)                 $\ = $tmp;                                  } else {8                  die "unable to open file: $file, $!\n";	         }      }         @cmds = split( /;/, $cmd );           eval {  D         my $h = set_sig_handler( 'ALRM' ,sub { die "Timed Out!\n"; } );         alarm $timeout;     E         $dbh = DBI->connect( $ds ,$usr ,$psw ,{ RaiseError => 1 }  ); )         printf( "success: connect()\n" );                   $dbh->trace( $trace );'         printf( "success: trace()\n" );                    foreach $cmd ( @cmds ) {  '                         my $tmp = $cmd;   *                         $tmp =~ s/\012//g;*                         $tmp =~ s/\015//g;  6                         if( length( $tmp ) > 8 ) {      1                                 $cmd =~ s/\012//; 1                                 $cmd =~ s/\015//;   ;                         printf( "...working on:[$cmd]\n" ); ,                         $dbh->do( $tmp );   4                         printf( "success: do()\n" );                 } 	         }          $dbh->disconnect; ,         printf( "success: disconnect()\n" );                  alarm 0;     };     alarm 0;                  if( $@ ) {$         if( $@ eq "Timed Out!\n" ) {#             die "ERROR: TimeOut?\n"          } else {+             die "ERROR: DBI, DBI::errstr\n" 	         }      }            if( $dbh ) {           $dbh->disconnect;      }             exit 1;    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:58:29 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Pipe & MySQL + Message-ID: <4341E1C5.23D32505@comcast.net>    issinoho wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > issinoho wrote:  > >  > >>Mark Berryman wrote: > >> > >>>issinoho wrote: > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>Here's a challenge...  > >>>>L > >>>>When loading a database schema into MySQL on platforms such as Linux &K > >>>>Windows, the usual format is to redirect a SQL text file to the MySQL  > >>>>interpreter as follows,  > >>>>2 > >>>>    mysql -u username -p database < file.sql > >>>>F > >>>>at which point it challenges the user for their password, and if( > >>>>correct the SQL file is processed. > >>>>O > >>>>I am trying to do this on VMS but with no luck. I've tried the following,  > >>>>9 > >>>>    $ pipe mysql -u username -p database < file.sql  > >>>>I > >>>>Both on the command line and in a DCL file with the password on the  > >>>>next line. > >>>>J > >>>>So far I've been defeated; the password challenge seems to throw theI > >>>>piping process. This is a really useful technique - can anyone help  > >>>>with this. > >>>  > >>> G > >>>If its okay to put the password on the command line, the following  > >>>syntax works: > >>> E > >>>$ pipe mysql -u username --password=password database < file.sql  > >>> M > >>>If you must prompt for the password, I have found the following to work:  > >>> 9 > >>>$ mysql -u username -p -e "source file.sql" database  > >>>  > >>>Mark Berryman > >>  > >>Thank-you. That *does* work. > >>H > >>Shame though that the pipe redirection has problems not evidenced on > >>other platforms. > >  > > K > > I don't think PIPE is the issue there. Seems to me you're trying to mix 6 > > incompatible uses of the stdin (SYS$INPUT) stream. > >  > > Try a construct like this: > >  > > $ SAY := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT  > > $ pipe -, > >       (SAY password ; TYPE file.sql) | -3 > >       mysql -u username -p database < SYS$PIPE:  > > I > > ...and see if that works. It might not, but it's another way to "skin I > > the cat" if it does, on top of Mike's suggestion which obviously does  > > work, as you reported. > >  > H > %DCL-W-INVREDSYN, invalid redirection type specified in a pipe segment  D How 'bout sans the "< SYS$PIPE:" part? In a DCL proc, it may need to look like this:    $ SAY := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT  $ pipe -# 	(SAY password ; TYPE file.sql) | - % 	(define/user sys$input sys$pipe: ; -   	mysql -u username -p database )   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 11:56:54 -0700  From: jordan@ccs4vms.comA Subject: Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard C Message-ID: <1128365814.947935.289450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Robert Alan Byer wrote: @ > I have a couple of AlphaPC164 motherboards in cases that I use> > personally as workstations and file servers running OpenVMS. > < > My problem is that one of the ATX power supplies in one of< > AlphaPC164's died on me.  I read the manual that came withC > the motherboard and it says to use an ATX power supply.  I bought B > the cases with power supplies quite some time back and they were3 > designed to work with the AlphaPC164 motherboard.  > I > I go out and get a new modern ATX power supply, but it doesn't work, it F > won't power up and I ended up taking a power supply out of one of my: > OTHER working AlphaPC164 systems so I could at least get > my e-mail server going.  > 9 > My question is, is it even possible to use a modern ATX = > power supply with this motherboard and if so, how?  I would ? > like to put in something more than a 350W power supply in it.  >  > Thanks in advance    Robert, F      most current ATX cases use soft power controls instead of the oldE hard switches.  There's a pin on the large connector that needs to be E grounded to power the supply up; I don't remember which one.  Even if G the supply has a built in switch, the soft power has to be grounded for  it to turn on.   Rich   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:20:07 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)A Subject: Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard 2 Message-ID: <05100314200779_20200274@antinode.org>   From: jordan@ccs4vms.com  H >      most current ATX cases use soft power controls instead of the oldG > hard switches.  There's a pin on the large connector that needs to be G > grounded to power the supply up; I don't remember which one.  Even if I > the supply has a built in switch, the soft power has to be grounded for  > it to turn on.  F    The pin in question should be "PS_ON#", pin 14, green.  If you needG pictures, and if you can't do better elsewhere, I have a PDF file of an D "ATX / ATX12V Power Supply Design Guide" "Version 1.1",  "(Copyright6 2000 Intel Corporation)", which I could put somewhere.      If that _is_ the problem.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:49:56 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: Thought you would enjoy this posting + Message-ID: <4341DFC4.7D794F71@comcast.net>    Alan Greig wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > E > > One of the many wish-list items is an enhancement to PURGE to add K > > something akin to a /FIX_VERSIONS qualifier such the remaining versions J > > will be renumbered starting at ;1 or /FIX_VERSIONS=x where renumbering > K > Spiralog (Filed-64) removed the restriction on maximum file version IIRC.   H "Removed"? ...or changed the size/type? Perhaps unsigned longword with a* maximum somewhere around 4-giga-something:  1 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ say f$fao( "!UL", %xffffffff ) 
 4294967295  F (Wow! Try purging *THAT* down to one version!!! Kick it off on Monday,# may finish by the end of the week!)    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 21:08:00 -0100 * From: "Michael Kraemer" <M.Kraemer@gsi.de># Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! 0 Message-ID: <43419DB0.MD-1.4.4.M.Kraemer@gsi.de>  b > In article <0Ac0f.13653$Dn6.4315@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > >   J > > The rx1620 will  continue to be followed onto in the low-end.  I can'tD > > give you box names for unannounced systems.  If you only want 1PD > > on a rx1620, then only order it with 1P.  It is cheaper than the > > DS15 on the Alpha low-end. > Q > The rx1620 is not that cheap. The price displayed on the hp site is without OS, Q > without disks (and they are very expensive) and with only 512 Mb of memory (may O > be its ok for an IA64 ?). VMS was even not allowed as an OS choice .... grrr.  > And no sound card. > 	 > Patrick   2 If HP would give an honest answer they'd tell you:@ You want a cheap box with sound ? Get one of our Windoze boxes !   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:48:17 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com># Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! 3 Message-ID: <5rj0f.13741$bJ6.1597@news.cpqcorp.net>   5 "Michael Kraemer" <M.Kraemer@gsi.de> wrote in message * news:43419DB0.MD-1.4.4.M.Kraemer@gsi.de...? > > In article <0Ac0f.13653$Dn6.4315@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" $ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > > > L > > > The rx1620 will  continue to be followed onto in the low-end.  I can'tF > > > give you box names for unannounced systems.  If you only want 1PF > > > on a rx1620, then only order it with 1P.  It is cheaper than the  > > > DS15 on the Alpha low-end. > > G > > The rx1620 is not that cheap. The price displayed on the hp site is  without OS, G > > without disks (and they are very expensive) and with only 512 Mb of  memory (may K > > be its ok for an IA64 ?). VMS was even not allowed as an OS choice ....  grrr.  > > And no sound card. > >  > > Patrick  > 4 > If HP would give an honest answer they'd tell you:B > You want a cheap box with sound ? Get one of our Windoze boxes !  D OK.  If you want a cheap box with sound, we have many PC's with bothC Windows or Linux to choose from.  While the cost of a rx16xx may be D cheaper than a DS15 - the cost of these boxes cannot rival that of a) commodity PC - which can cost under $500.   H We believe that you should be able to choose the right tool for the job.  E VMS is a choice for the rx1620, someone needs to verify that for some C reason the ordering menu isn't giving you a VMS price.  Perhaps the > system you configured didn't have everything you need for VMS?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:03:32 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! 3 Message-ID: <Exk0f.13746$5N6.1920@news.cpqcorp.net>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:C > (The RX2600 is also already on EBAY, but AFAIK not capable of VMS   D My rx2600 came with VMS factory-installed and it runs VMS just fine.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:37:15 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0310052237110001@user-uinj4ib.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <43417dcb$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote:  G >In article <uqD61eYO3qeS@sinead>, pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, ( CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) writes:= >>In article <0Ac0f.13653$Dn6.4315@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" $ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:J >>> The rx1620 will  continue to be followed onto in the low-end.  I can'tD >>> give you box names for unannounced systems.  If you only want 1PD >>> on a rx1620, then only order it with 1P.  It is cheaper than the >>> DS15 on the Alpha low-end. >>E >>The rx1620 is not that cheap. The price displayed on the hp site is  without OS, E >>without disks (and they are very expensive) and with only 512 Mb of  memory (may O >>be its ok for an IA64 ?). VMS was even not allowed as an OS choice .... grrr.  >>And no sound card. > I >Bob meant "cheap", and Fred replied "cheaper than DS15" which we know is E >ridiculously overpriced (just like the DS10 before - but the DS10 is I >already on the 2nd market - like EBAY - while the DS15 is not - at least K >not on EBAY). So, nobody is suprised, yet, and nobody is happy, yet. Sigh.  > I >(The RX2600 is also already on EBAY, but AFAIK not capable of VMS, while B >the RX2620, the RX1600 and the RX1620 are not on EBAY, so far ;-)  < VMS V8.2 and V8.2-1 support the following Integrity servers:  + rx2600: any CPU variant newer than McKinley  rx2620: any CPU variant  rx1600: any CPU variant  rx1620: any CPU variant & rx4640: any CPU variant, including mx2  & All of these can be bought with 1 CPU.  ; Supported memory configurations range from 512 MB to 64 GB.   G Current IO includes 1 Gbit/sec ethernet, U320 SCSI (including dual-host G configurations), 2 Gbit/sec FibreChannel, and the same graphics (Radeon  7500) as OpenVMS Alpha.   ? V8.2-1 also adds support for some mid-range and high-end server A configurations, probably not of interest in this discussion about  entry-level systems.  D The entry-level roadmap remains quite busy into the future.  Work isJ ongoing on improved versions of the current systems, as well as new system, families, new IO technologies, new adapters.  B Customers (but perhaps not spectators) seem to be happy with theseD systems.  Performance on current rx2620 and rx4640 systems generallyJ exceeds that on similarly-configured DS15, DS25, or ES45 systems, with theJ Integrity systems significantly less expensive.  It's getting increasinglyI difficult to find workloads that give the advantage to the Alpha systems.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:18:45 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net># Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! = Message-ID: <vuOdnZBRQp47n9_eRVn-tg@metrocastcablevision.com>    Robert Deininger wrote:    ...       It's getting increasinglyK > difficult to find workloads that give the advantage to the Alpha systems.   G Gee, yuh think?  With EV7/EV7z a full process generation behind Itanic  E (has been for over 2 years now, and was supposed to be *two* process  C generations behind by now if Montecito hadn't seriously stumbled):  I funny how abandoning development makes it increasingly difficult to stay  F ahead, though in large systems I suspect that even the newest Itanics G may still have some difficulty keeping up with their outcast precursor  E (the only current architecture which would have had a good chance of  E surpassing - or even merely matching - POWER5 in said large systems,   incidentally).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 00:04:09 GMT 9 From: Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> : Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS XD Message-ID: <nospam.News.Bob-1FA254.20041103102005@news.verizon.net>   In article  8 <1128325944.828962.105210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,!  stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote:    > Hi Group,  > G > I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able to H > connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac
 > OSX 10.3.x.  > E > I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get the F > ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not asF > nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts > were pretty poor.  > G > Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for 
 > Mac OSX? > A > Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files.  >  > Thanks >  > Stuart  = While I worked at Digital/Compaq/HP (Mac OS X days were only  C Compaq/HP), I used Mac OS X 10.3 Terminal rather well.  I did make   some changes to the setup.  A In the Terminal -> Window Settings... -> Keyboard, I ether added  A new key mappings, or modified existing mappings to work properly  B with the extended keyboard, especially so that I could use things A like the arrow keys, and the keypad with VMSNOTES which uses EVE   as its editor.  = I also set Terminals -> Windows Settings ... -> Emulation to   Strick Vt100 emulation.   B You may also want to specify the Terminal Preferences -> $TERM to 0 something that is recognized by your VMS system.  > I also installed on Panther, uControl so that I could map the B Capslock key as Control.  On Tiger the System Preferences has the  ability to do that for you.   B As for Control/Z, if you can not get that to work, then there are 2 some issues that have nothing to do with Terminal.  A Since leaving Digital/Compaq/HP (OK they threw me out along with  @ most of the 3rd floor of ZKO :-), I have used both Terminal and = iTerm as my primary terminal sessions talking to my PowerMac  A workstation, and Linux systems both in my office and 2,000 miles  
 away via ssh.   C Both have their advantages for what I do (writing software), and I  5 spend a great deal of time in terminal/iTerm windows.   2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2005 14:32:50 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues3 Message-ID: <Zn1iru68sa5q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <43417f1e$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: e > In article <wXeekSYKcmgx@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: g >>In article <43416370$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: N >>> I saw a keyword "GENERIC" to F$GETQUI to get a list of all generic queues.M >>> But I don't saw a keyword "EXECUTION" or similar to get all other queues. M >>> Do I have to loop over all queues, check if it's GENERIC and if yes, then  >>> jump over, >>@ >>Even if you do, there should be many fewer GENERIC queues than >>execution queue. > " > Indeed, but what is your point ? > ' > Currently I do already jump over with { > $ IF ((F$GETQUI (("DISPLAY_QUEUE", "QUEUE_FLAGS", "''queue':", "FREEZE_CONTEXT") .AND. %X200) .NE. 0 THEN GOTO next_queue 0 > but there could be a better way, couldn't it ?  A A different way might look cleaner, but it would not be much more 
 efficient.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:17:45 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues+ Message-ID: <4341E649.46E1F68E@comcast.net>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > L > I saw a keyword "GENERIC" to F$GETQUI to get a list of all generic queues.K > But I don't saw a keyword "EXECUTION" or similar to get all other queues. K > Do I have to loop over all queues, check if it's GENERIC and if yes, then L > jump over, or is there a better way (like a keyword I overlooked so far) ?  F Try "PRINTER" or "TERMINAL" instead of "GENERIC". "SYMBIONT" will pickA up all execution queues except batch queues, but including server  queues.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:55:04 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' Subject: Re: [OT] - dealing with ;32767 + Message-ID: <4341E0F8.BD7BF530@comcast.net>    Z wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote: H > >>Just because it's simple to write a DCL procedure or issue a few DCLI > >>commands to prune versions, that doesn't necessarily make the problem  > >>simple.  > G > > True. There's a lot of places where fully-qualified filespec.'s are J > > stored, including the version. Go and changed those, you'd have rather > > an issue to deal with. > > F > > Also, not quite sure what the reference to "version pruning" trulyL > > indicates. PURGE and version limits seems to do quite nicely, other than > > the ;32767 thing.  > H > Sorry "version pruning," as I use the term, is some way to address theE > ;32767 issue. If could be using N minutes of scheduled down time to I > purge/rename or embed a date/time into filenames or directories created G > so that there's only a ;1 version or even building a transaction that 9 > closes/opens files so that files can be purged/renamed.  > I > It would be nice if the 3rd party developers of software for VMS system 7 > took VMS file versions into consideration but few do.   H They don't encounter it in the UN*X or M$ world. What else is there? ;-)  J > Or even if VMS's /VERSION_LIMIT=1 meant that a new ;1 would still be ;1,A > not ;2. That would be a clean, simple fix (from my POV, anyway)   F To continue that, given /VERSION_LIMIT=5, for example, you'd only everH have no more than ;1 through ;5, even if the lastest gets replaced every
 day or so.  E Could be turned off by default, defaulting to the "old" behavior, new / behavior enabled via a (new?) system parameter.    Guy? Is this beyond your scope?    Anyone else?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:55:55 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' Subject: Re: [OT] - dealing with ;32767 + Message-ID: <4341E12B.D4AEAA4B@comcast.net>    BRAD wrote:  > 
 > Z wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > J > >>> Just because it's simple to write a DCL procedure or issue a few DCLK > >>> commands to prune versions, that doesn't necessarily make the problem 
 > >>> simple.  > >  > > H > >> True. There's a lot of places where fully-qualified filespec.'s areK > >> stored, including the version. Go and changed those, you'd have rather  > >> an issue to deal with.  > >>G > >> Also, not quite sure what the reference to "version pruning" truly M > >> indicates. PURGE and version limits seems to do quite nicely, other than  > >> the ;32767 thing. > >  > > J > > Sorry "version pruning," as I use the term, is some way to address theG > > ;32767 issue. If could be using N minutes of scheduled down time to K > > purge/rename or embed a date/time into filenames or directories created I > > so that there's only a ;1 version or even building a transaction that ; > > closes/opens files so that files can be purged/renamed.  > >  > G > I thought that RENAME would change the file version of a file that is J > open for access; no downtime needed.  I'm probably misunderstanding your$ > specific application requirements. > C > Anyway, that's how RENAME works on my system, with SSH log files.   C I'd have to try files that are locked such that you can't even TYPE  them.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.553 ************************