1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 554       Contents:D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? Re: Drawlib not loaded Re: Drawlib not loaded Re: Drawlib not loaded Re: Drawlib not loaded Re: Drawlib not loaded GCC ? 	 Re: GCC ? 	 Re: GCC ? F Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767)F Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767)F RE: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767)= How UCX's POP server gets the /OPTION value from the configs? A Re: How UCX's POP server gets the /OPTION value from the configs?  Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q' it.OpenVMS.org makes its debut in Milan , RE: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs!, Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs!6 Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!)6 Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!)6 Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!)6 Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!)6 Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!) Re: Pipe & MySQL Re: Pipe & MySQL Re: Pipe & MySQL Re: Pipe & MySQL Re: Pipe & MySQL8 Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard8 Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard8 Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard! Re: Simh. How to triple the speed  Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s!, Re: What is holding up linux on wall street?, Re: What is holding up linux on wall street?, Re: What is holding up linux on wall street?, Re: What is holding up linux on wall street?, Re: What is holding up linux on wall street?1 RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? 1 RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? 1 RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? / Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues / Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 17:50:51 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? , Message-ID: <4342c0fb$1@news.langstoeger.at>  _ In article <05100319532148_20200274@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: G >   So, I'll return to my almost original question: Is there any chance G >of getting a serious power-save mode?  (Having a user interface like a H >check-box (or two) in the Screen control would be nice, too, instead ofE >having to edit a file and hope that it doesn't get overwritten while H >you're not looking.)  On the bright side, the only cards I have are theF >3Dlabs Oxygen, the ELSA GLoria, and the PBXGA, so that should lighten2 >the workload some (as no one else seems to care).    GY and GZ would be ok for me too  D And to "as no one else seems to care" better check again, as I thinkF that some requests for such a functionality are now over a decade old.N We simply gave up hoping (as LCD monitors are not that power hungry than CRTs)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 02:04:29 -0700 + From: "gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de>  Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded B Message-ID: <1128416669.748959.58210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   FredK schrieb:  = > Well, the rest of the gibberish looks to be OpenGL also not = > loading.  It is as if you have the old Open3D kit partially   > installed, but not completely. >   F Ok, I see. I realized that I have version 4.9 installed but that thereE is version 4.9B available. Now that I have installed this one, things = are all right. No errors any more in DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:53:45 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded 4 Message-ID: <d3u0f.13757$MY6.10604@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 "gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message< news:1128416669.748959.58210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >  > FredK schrieb: > ? > > Well, the rest of the gibberish looks to be OpenGL also not ? > > loading.  It is as if you have the old Open3D kit partially " > > installed, but not completely. > >  > H > Ok, I see. I realized that I have version 4.9 installed but that thereG > is version 4.9B available. Now that I have installed this one, things ? > are all right. No errors any more in DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG.  >   ? Just so you are not suprised later.  The Open3D layered product + won't install on V8.* and is being retired.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:13:07 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded ) Message-ID: <dhtv53$e94$1@news.BelWue.DE>   a In article <d3u0f.13757$MY6.10604@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: 7 >"gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message = >news:1128416669.748959.58210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  >> >> FredK schrieb:  >>@ >> > Well, the rest of the gibberish looks to be OpenGL also not@ >> > loading.  It is as if you have the old Open3D kit partially# >> > installed, but not completely.  >> > >>I >> Ok, I see. I realized that I have version 4.9 installed but that there H >> is version 4.9B available. Now that I have installed this one, things@ >> are all right. No errors any more in DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG. >> > @ >Just so you are not suprised later.  The Open3D layered product, >won't install on V8.* and is being retired.  - Should it then be removed before the upgrade?    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:46:30 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded 3 Message-ID: <qtx0f.13773$m97.2373@news.cpqcorp.net>   I "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote in message # news:dhtv53$e94$1@news.BelWue.DE...  > > B > >Just so you are not suprised later.  The Open3D layered product. > >won't install on V8.* and is being retired. > / > Should it then be removed before the upgrade?  >    Yes.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 18:13:11 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded , Message-ID: <4342c637$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <qtx0f.13773$m97.2373@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:J >"Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote in message$ >news:dhtv53$e94$1@news.BelWue.DE...C >> >Just so you are not suprised later.  The Open3D layered product / >> >won't install on V8.* and is being retired.  >>0 >> Should it then be removed before the upgrade? >  >Yes.   E Will you supply a removal procedure (as it is a VMSINSTALlable kit) ?    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 10:35:34 GMT ! From: i_left@rambler.ru (I. Left)  Subject: GCC ?3 Message-ID: <slrndk4mnm.ngn.i_left@winnie.sbor.net>   3 Where can one find the GNU C compiler for ia64 VMS?  Does it exist? Thanks.    --    I. Left   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:07:24 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: GCC ?4 Message-ID: <w0w0f.13761$y07.13084@news.cpqcorp.net>  W In article <slrndk4mnm.ngn.i_left@winnie.sbor.net>, i_left@rambler.ru (I. Left) writes: 4 :Where can one find the GNU C compiler for ia64 VMS?  E   There is an old gcc for OpenVMS Alpha, and I am aware of no gcc for I   OpenVMS I64.  (I've asked around and looked around before, as I collect G   these sorts of things for the Freeware -- I've not found nor heard of F   any current gcc bits.  If you do find a current port, do let me know*   and I will add it to the next Freeware.)  D   You might get a generic Itanium gcc to work or it might serve as aE   jumping-off point for new work, but there are various extensions to G   the Itanium calling standard to support OpenVMS itself -- OpenVMS I64 E   does use elf and dwarf and such.  (I believe these changes were fed F   back to Intel for future iterations of the Intel tools, but I do notD   know the timing of that or of any subsequent gcc work based on it.G   The calling standard extensions were of some generic interest, FWIW.)   D   Most folks acquire the HP C compiler through purchase, through theH   OpenVMS Hobbyist program, or as part of the suite of products provided!   via the DSPP Developer Program.   6   HP C is available for OpenVMS I64 and OpenVMS Alpha.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:30:47 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> Subject: Re: GCC ?( Message-ID: <4342BC47.236E55A5@mist.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > Y > In article <slrndk4mnm.ngn.i_left@winnie.sbor.net>, i_left@rambler.ru (I. Left) writes: 6 > :Where can one find the GNU C compiler for ia64 VMS? > G >   There is an old gcc for OpenVMS Alpha, and I am aware of no gcc for K >   OpenVMS I64.  (I've asked around and looked around before, as I collect I >   these sorts of things for the Freeware -- I've not found nor heard of H >   any current gcc bits.  If you do find a current port, do let me know, >   and I will add it to the next Freeware.) > F >   You might get a generic Itanium gcc to work or it might serve as aG >   jumping-off point for new work, but there are various extensions to I >   the Itanium calling standard to support OpenVMS itself -- OpenVMS I64 G >   does use elf and dwarf and such.  (I believe these changes were fed H >   back to Intel for future iterations of the Intel tools, but I do notF >   know the timing of that or of any subsequent gcc work based on it.I >   The calling standard extensions were of some generic interest, FWIW.)  > F >   Most folks acquire the HP C compiler through purchase, through theJ >   OpenVMS Hobbyist program, or as part of the suite of products provided# >   via the DSPP Developer Program.  > 8 >   HP C is available for OpenVMS I64 and OpenVMS Alpha. >   T http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.2/gcc/IA_002d64-Options.html#IA_002d64-Options  $ Is this one relevant to your search?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 07:41:09 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) O Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) 3 Message-ID: <QUaVIw3lFR1s@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3qad9pFdnj4aU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes:  A > I have never understood the logic of minimum password lifetime  / > restrictions, so am surprised to see it here.  > ! > Can anyone enlighten me please?   F     I've always believed it's a poor technique for preventing passwordB    reuse.  When a password expires the user must change it and useC    the new one for N days, after which they probably won't go back.   E     Password history is a much better technique.  You can change your E    password again in a hurry if you think the one you just choose has ?    been comprimized.  You can't cycle between your two favorite :    passwords if the timing and depth are set up correctly.     G     IMHO minimum password lifetime should be used only on those systems D    which don't support password history, and we should all move away=    from such systems.  Even Windows will do passowrd history.   E     Minumum lifetime instead of password history was one sore point I H    had with the otherwise superior UNIX DEC shipped for Alpha, no matter$    which name it was shipping under.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 07:59:16 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) O Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) 3 Message-ID: <ko+R0VB8rjV3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <QUaVIw3lFR1s@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: V > In article <3qad9pFdnj4aU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: > B >> I have never understood the logic of minimum password lifetime 0 >> restrictions, so am surprised to see it here. >>  " >> Can anyone enlighten me please? > H >     I've always believed it's a poor technique for preventing passwordD >    reuse.  When a password expires the user must change it and useE >    the new one for N days, after which they probably won't go back.  > G >     Password history is a much better technique.  You can change your G >    password again in a hurry if you think the one you just choose has A >    been comprimized.  You can't cycle between your two favorite < >    passwords if the timing and depth are set up correctly.  H But on operating system less capable that VMS it is possible to overflowK the available password history storage space and use the original password.   I >     IMHO minimum password lifetime should be used only on those systems F >    which don't support password history, and we should all move away? >    from such systems.  Even Windows will do passowrd history.   G How does (contemporary) Windows defend against the attack I mentioned ? ? I thought older versions depended on minimum password lifetime.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:55:59 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukO Subject: RE: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) ) Message-ID: <dhtu4v$pci$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C050@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: >  >  >> -----Original Message----- F >> From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk [mailto:david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk]=20! >> Sent: October 3, 2005 11:33 AM  >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> >> Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations=20 >> integrity (was ;32767)  >>=20 9 >> In article <8g1UG9TIfWJS@eisner.encompasserve.org>,=20 2 >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >> >In article=20 B >> <7dd80f60510020855vd59bfcfr27b5dee47aa38964@mail.gmail.com>,=20, >> Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes:C >> >> On 10/2/05, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote (in part):  >> >>> Larry Kilgallen wrote: G >> >>> >    passwords from being displayed when entered; (iii) enforces C >> >>> >    password minimum and maximum lifetime restrictions; and  >> >>>                ^^^^^^^ E >> >>> I have never understood the logic of minimum password lifetime 4 >> >>> restrictions, so am surprised to see it here. >> >>>& >> >>> Can anyone enlighten me please? >> >>>G >> >>  I believe that a minimum password lifetime will not let a person E >> >> change their passwords within a certain time limit of the first 
 >> >> change.  >> >>=20C >> >> This would be useful if you're not using history lists and=20  >> allow usersB >> >> to repeat passwords often. It would stop people who would=20 >> change their F >> >> passwords and then immediately change them back to the original,) >> >> thereby keeping their old password.  >> >< >> >On certain operating systems from the Pacific Northwest,9 >> >I believe one can change the password enough times to = >> >overflow the password history space and cause the desired 6 >> >password to fall off the end and thus be reusable. >> >B >> >VMS prevents that attack cold by requiring generated passwordsB >> >at that point, but lesser operating systems don't seem to have >> >figured it out.  >>=20 A >> However minimum password lifetime opens up another security=20  >> vulnerability in B >> that a user who realises that someone may have seen what new=20 >> password they setB >> has to find someone with privileges to override this setting=20 >> before they canA >> change their password again. End result - they don't bother=20  >> because it's too  >> much hassle.  >>=20  >>=20  >  >  >David,  > G >Would this not be solved by letting them change passwords on their own H >at 1 hour (or some short time), but using password history to not allow  >the last x number of passwords? >   B The systems I've seen which use minimum password lifetimes usuallyB only allow you to set it in days (ie minimum 1 day if you use it).    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >Regards >  >Kerry Main  >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada  >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom  >(remove the DOT's and AT)=20  > 5 >OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 07:40:20 GMT 7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) F Subject: How UCX's POP server gets the /OPTION value from the configs?$ Message-ID: <2005Oct4.074020@hujicc>   Hello,  N   We run Multinet as our TCP/IP package and have problems with the performanceO of its POP3/IMAP servers; the problem is that for each LIST command it computes P the exact size of each message in the mailbox which takes a lot of time when the( mailbox is large or have a lot of items.  O    I tried grabing the POP and IMAP servers from the UCX installation and found O that by defining some logicals I can tell the UCX servers to behave differently < (it has the FAST_SCAN option). Now I am left with one issue:  K   The server sends the MAIL11 headers followed by a blank line and then the @ RFC822 headers which drives Email clients crzy; I've defined theK IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS (or something alike) but then it says that I must set L /OPTION=TOP_HEADERS for it to work. Since I cannot install full UCX (runningL Multinet...) I cannot use the TCPIP$UCP command to set this option. Any ideaG how it passes the options value to the server's EXE file so I can do it 	 manually?   3                                   Thanks! __Yehavi:    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 18:11:38 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)J Subject: Re: How UCX's POP server gets the /OPTION value from the configs?, Message-ID: <4342c5da$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ^ In article <2005Oct4.074020@hujicc>, yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) writes:L >  The server sends the MAIL11 headers followed by a blank line and then theA >RFC822 headers which drives Email clients crzy; I've defined the L >IGNORE_MAIL11_HEADERS (or something alike) but then it says that I must setM >/OPTION=TOP_HEADERS for it to work. Since I cannot install full UCX (running M >Multinet...) I cannot use the TCPIP$UCP command to set this option. Any idea H >how it passes the options value to the server's EXE file so I can do it
 >manually?  I You _can_ install TCPIP without running it. All my systems have more than ? one TCPIP stack installed (but only one is active of course)...   , How about "with TCPIP$POP_mumble logicals" ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:17:09 +0100 From: "John" <john@yahoooo.co>' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q 0 Message-ID: <M7p0f.16615$R5.1143@news.indigo.ie>  K Alan, model is a ML5521 dox matrix, the procedure I notepaded was actually  K for an OKI 20/20n laser. The only thing I changed was the IP address which  M the ML5521 resides at and a name for it, the OKI 20/20n is called "laser" on  H the VMS. The printer will be used not to print exactly from the VMS but K rather a software application that runs on the VMS (the OKI 20/20n is used  K for the exact same software application), I have set it up on the software  ; but it needs it on the VMS server also, if that makes sense     6 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message 5 news:HQg0f.68423$RW.4200@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...  >  > 
 > John wrote:  >  >>L >> I'm happy enough to 'enter' at each line I originally posted, if that is J >> all it takes but deviating from it, would be too much for me, so can't ) >> really respond to what lpr/lpd unix is  > I > The sequence you posted is designed to setup a specific type of remote  G > printer using the lpr/lpd protocol which comes from Unix land. It is  K > usually used when the other system is another computer with queues on it  M > itself, not just a plain printer. However some high end printers and print  E > servers support it and even some low end ones. Are you copying the  L > procedure from another OKI printer of the same type? If so then it should M > work. But if you have just jotted down the procedure used for a specialist  ? > high end print server then it probably won't work on the OKI.  >  > What's the OKI model number? >  >  > --  
 > Alan Greig     ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 05:02:02 -0700 * From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q C Message-ID: <1128427196.770251.181220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    John wrote: L > Alan, model is a ML5521 dox matrix, the procedure I notepaded was actuallyL > for an OKI 20/20n laser. The only thing I changed was the IP address whichN > the ML5521 resides at and a name for it, the OKI 20/20n is called "laser" on  F Ok a quick search fins that the ML5521 can support lpd connection with% the appropriate interface. Details at 8 http://www.okieurope.co.uk/binaryData/6946/C7350nEN1.pdf  E In other words you stand a chance of getting it to work using exactly G the procedure you posted. If the 5521 is already used as a printer from B other systems it might be worth checking with whoever set it up on- these systems and ask them if lpd is enabled.   I > the VMS. The printer will be used not to print exactly from the VMS but L > rather a software application that runs on the VMS (the OKI 20/20n is usedL > for the exact same software application), I have set it up on the software= > but it needs it on the VMS server also, if that makes sense  >  > 7 > "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message 7 > news:HQg0f.68423$RW.4200@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...  > >  > >  > > John wrote:  > >  > >>M > >> I'm happy enough to 'enter' at each line I originally posted, if that is K > >> all it takes but deviating from it, would be too much for me, so can't + > >> really respond to what lpr/lpd unix is  > > J > > The sequence you posted is designed to setup a specific type of remoteH > > printer using the lpr/lpd protocol which comes from Unix land. It isL > > usually used when the other system is another computer with queues on itN > > itself, not just a plain printer. However some high end printers and printF > > servers support it and even some low end ones. Are you copying theM > > procedure from another OKI printer of the same type? If so then it should N > > work. But if you have just jotted down the procedure used for a specialistA > > high end print server then it probably won't work on the OKI.  > >   > > What's the OKI model number? > >  > >  > > --   > > Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:19:26 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>0 Subject: it.OpenVMS.org makes its debut in Milan= Message-ID: <iYx0f.80928$Jp.2795827@twister.southeast.rr.com>    From: Antonio Vigliotti   K On September 30, it.OpenVMS.org, the Italian OpenVMS Community Portal, has  K been officially presented during the HP OpenVMS Technical Update Days, the  = meeting of major OpenVMS users that was held in Milan, Italy.   M Susan Skonetski, Editor of HP OpenVMS Journal, the world leading publication  M of OpenVMS, briefly introduced scope and contents of the project, announcing  L that the website will also feature translations in Italian of articles from  the Journal.  M The Italian version is the latest arrival in the OpenVMS.org website family.  J Future localised versions for other European countries and Asia have also  been announced.   M Antonio Vigliotti, editor of it.OpenVMS.org, thanked HP for the presentation  L and said that the occasion was inspirational for him and the whole staff of K the Italian website. "With the help of the OpenVMS Italian Community" - he  E said  - " we hope to achieve the outstanding results of Ken Farmers'  K OpenVMS.org and deliver useful content and service to developers and users  
 in Italy."   http://it.openvms.org  OpenVMS.org - Italy   + -------------------------------------------    :)       Ken   % _____________________________________  Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 3 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  HP OpenVMS News and Info   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 07:48:43 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: RE: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! 3 Message-ID: <rbZLQP0NuHcl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C017@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes: > G > Ahh its to bad I could not divulge what major semi-chip manufacturing F > environments use OpenVMS. I suspect the answer would really surprise > most folks ..   F    Lets see; Intel we know about, that leaves Power or SPARC.  I don'tC    think IBM will tolerate much nonsense and I know their technical 6    people fully respect the capabilties of VMScluster.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:03:01 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! 3 Message-ID: <VIx0f.13775$K97.7772@news.cpqcorp.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:~ > In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C017@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:G >>Ahh its to bad I could not divulge what major semi-chip manufacturing F >>environments use OpenVMS. I suspect the answer would really surprise >>most folks ..  > ? >    Lets see; Intel we know about, that leaves Power or SPARC.   = Semiconductor manufacturing includes far more than just CPUs.   = Companies I'm aware of using OpenVMS include Intel, National  A Semiconductor, American Micro Devices (AMD), Motorola, Fairchild  D Semiconductor, Philips Semiconductors, Dallas Semiconductor, Micron C Technology, Siliconix, Altera, Sony Computer Entertainment, Taiwan  / Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), and / Wacker Siltronic. I'm sure there are many more.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 16:52:56 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!) , Message-ID: <4342b368$1@news.langstoeger.at>  Y In article <Tnh0f.13707$Dq6.5659@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: f >In article <43417dcb$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: >...J >:(The RX2600 is also already on EBAY, but AFAIK not capable of VMS, whileC >:the RX2620, the RX1600 and the RX1620 are not on EBAY, so far ;-)  >... > H >  The OpenVMS SPD lists the rx2600 -- at 1.0 GHz, 1.3 GHz, 1.4 GHz, andF >  1.5 GHz, single or dual processor -- as being officially supported.  A So, this Server (currently the only one on EBAY) would run VMS !?   > 	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5813075384  K VMS is not listed in this auction ;-) and last time I asked such a question I (for a 2600, but way cheaper) I got answer "No" (McKinley vs. Madison ?).   L If "YES" this time (which I could believe, though I don't know how to detectI "Madison"/"McKinley" in the name "2600") it is $7000 for a used system !!  Cheap would be $700 or less    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:59:44 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!) 8 Message-ID: <l975k1p7i8j04aagvi2fnp36134jqs6sei@4ax.com>  N On 4 Oct 2005 16:52:56 -0200, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:  Z >In article <Tnh0f.13707$Dq6.5659@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:g >>In article <43417dcb$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  >>... K >>:(The RX2600 is also already on EBAY, but AFAIK not capable of VMS, while D >>:the RX2620, the RX1600 and the RX1620 are not on EBAY, so far ;-) >>...  >>I >>  The OpenVMS SPD lists the rx2600 -- at 1.0 GHz, 1.3 GHz, 1.4 GHz, and G >>  1.5 GHz, single or dual processor -- as being officially supported.  > B >So, this Server (currently the only one on EBAY) would run VMS !? > ? >	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5813075384  > L >VMS is not listed in this auction ;-) and last time I asked such a questionJ >(for a 2600, but way cheaper) I got answer "No" (McKinley vs. Madison ?). > M >If "YES" this time (which I could believe, though I don't know how to detect J >"Madison"/"McKinley" in the name "2600") it is $7000 for a used system !! >Cheap would be $700 or less  L The easiest way to distinguish between McKinley & Madison rx2600 is that theH front panel of the former are a light beige colour whilst the latter areO 'Carbon' or 'Graphite' or some other marketing word for black or dark grey. The P little picture certainly appears that it is darker than a McKinley box & this isJ confirmed by the 1.3GHz CPUs. Maximum speed for McKinley AFAIR was 900MHz.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 10:39:12 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!) 3 Message-ID: <muYpN7$3fNae@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <gqx0f.13772$A27.12120@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:   I > Not to add confusion, but while the SPD states that we SUPPORT OpenVMS  G > only on Madison systems, I have several rx2600s with 900Mhz McKinley  G > CPUs.  They run OpenVMS just fine.  It is just that we don't support   > that platform.  D But for hobbyist purposes that may not matter, since hobbyists don't have "support" on any rx2600.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 17:58:42 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!) , Message-ID: <4342c2d2$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <muYpN7$3fNae@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: ^ >In article <gqx0f.13772$A27.12120@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:J >> Not to add confusion, but while the SPD states that we SUPPORT OpenVMS H >> only on Madison systems, I have several rx2600s with 900Mhz McKinley H >> CPUs.  They run OpenVMS just fine.  It is just that we don't support  >> that platform.  > E >But for hobbyist purposes that may not matter, since hobbyists don't  >have "support" on any rx2600.  J Exactly. Maybe this is the reason why nobody of us bought the $1899 rx2600
 last year ;-)    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:54:54 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!) 4 Message-ID: <yty0f.13785$y97.12827@news.cpqcorp.net>   Nigel Barker wrote: N > The easiest way to distinguish between McKinley & Madison rx2600 is that theJ > front panel of the former are a light beige colour whilst the latter areM > 'Carbon' or 'Graphite' or some other marketing word for black or dark grey.   D My rx2600 which runs VMS has the same light grey front panel as the E picture of the system on eBay. Only the disks and DVD drive are dark  4 enough to be called Carbon or Graphite (i.e. black).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:36:25 +0200 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?=  Subject: Re: Pipe & MySQL 7 Message-ID: <434222ee$0$17246$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>    > Here's a challenge...  > H > When loading a database schema into MySQL on platforms such as Linux &G > Windows, the usual format is to redirect a SQL text file to the MySQL  > interpreter as follows,  > . >     mysql -u username -p database < file.sql > J > at which point it challenges the user for their password, and if correct > the SQL file is processed. > K > I am trying to do this on VMS but with no luck. I've tried the following,  > 5 >     $ pipe mysql -u username -p database < file.sql  > J > Both on the command line and in a DCL file with the password on the next > line.  > F > So far I've been defeated; the password challenge seems to throw theJ > piping process. This is a really useful technique - can anyone help with > this.  > 	 > Thanks.     J Sorry for this late reply, I was out of my office during the last 2 weeks.     you can connect to mysql using mysql -umyacc -pmypwd database or- mysql --user=myacc --password==mypwd database   J If you need to execute a file within sql you can use the "source" command: mysql> source file.sql   Hope this can help you.   ? You can also write a small Python or Perl script to do the job.        JF   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 03:48:26 -0700 & From: "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pipe & MySQL B Message-ID: <1128422906.024117.80670@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  C Inside a pipe segment SYS$PIPE is equivalent to SYS$INPUT, so the < C SYS$PIPE is redundant, if not in error. Apperently, it IS an error.   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:03:48 +0100% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Pipe & MySQL 0 Message-ID: <11k56em3sq0kve8@corp.supernews.com>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:4341E1C5.23D32505@comcast.net...  > issinoho wrote:  >> >> David J Dachtera wrote: >> > issinoho wrote: >> > >> >>Mark Berryman wrote:  >> >>  >> >>>issinoho wrote:  >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>>Here's a challenge... >> >>>> L >> >>>>When loading a database schema into MySQL on platforms such as Linux  >> >>>>&L >> >>>>Windows, the usual format is to redirect a SQL text file to the MySQL >> >>>>interpreter as follows, >> >>>> 3 >> >>>>    mysql -u username -p database < file.sql  >> >>>> G >> >>>>at which point it challenges the user for their password, and if ) >> >>>>correct the SQL file is processed.  >> >>>> F >> >>>>I am trying to do this on VMS but with no luck. I've tried the  >> >>>>following,  >> >>>> : >> >>>>    $ pipe mysql -u username -p database < file.sql >> >>>> J >> >>>>Both on the command line and in a DCL file with the password on the >> >>>>next line.  >> >>>> K >> >>>>So far I've been defeated; the password challenge seems to throw the J >> >>>>piping process. This is a really useful technique - can anyone help >> >>>>with this.  >> >>> >> >>>H >> >>>If its okay to put the password on the command line, the following >> >>>syntax works:  >> >>>F >> >>>$ pipe mysql -u username --password=password database < file.sql >> >>>I >> >>>If you must prompt for the password, I have found the following to   >> >>>work:  >> >>>: >> >>>$ mysql -u username -p -e "source file.sql" database >> >>> >> >>>Mark Berryman  >> >> ! >> >>Thank-you. That *does* work.  >> >> I >> >>Shame though that the pipe redirection has problems not evidenced on  >> >>other platforms.  >> > >> >L >> > I don't think PIPE is the issue there. Seems to me you're trying to mix7 >> > incompatible uses of the stdin (SYS$INPUT) stream.  >> > >> > Try a construct like this:  >> > >> > $ SAY := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT
 >> > $ pipe - - >> >       (SAY password ; TYPE file.sql) | - 4 >> >       mysql -u username -p database < SYS$PIPE: >> >J >> > ...and see if that works. It might not, but it's another way to "skinJ >> > the cat" if it does, on top of Mike's suggestion which obviously does >> > work, as you reported.  >> > >>I >> %DCL-W-INVREDSYN, invalid redirection type specified in a pipe segment  > F > How 'bout sans the "< SYS$PIPE:" part? In a DCL proc, it may need to > look like this:  >  > $ SAY := WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 
 > $ pipe -$ > (SAY password ; TYPE file.sql) | -& > (define/user sys$input sys$pipe: ; -! > mysql -u username -p database )  >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > $ > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/  >  > Coming soon:( > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page  + Still no luck, but thanks for persevering.     ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:07:34 +0100% From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Pipe & MySQL 0 Message-ID: <11k56lr1op3ib70@corp.supernews.com>  D "Jean-Franois Pironne" <jf.pieronne@laposte.net> wrote in message 1 news:434222ee$0$17246$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...  >  >> Here's a challenge... >>I >> When loading a database schema into MySQL on platforms such as Linux & H >> Windows, the usual format is to redirect a SQL text file to the MySQL >> interpreter as follows, >>/ >>     mysql -u username -p database < file.sql  >>K >> at which point it challenges the user for their password, and if correct  >> the SQL file is processed.  >>L >> I am trying to do this on VMS but with no luck. I've tried the following, >>6 >>     $ pipe mysql -u username -p database < file.sql >>K >> Both on the command line and in a DCL file with the password on the next  >> line. >>G >> So far I've been defeated; the password challenge seems to throw the K >> piping process. This is a really useful technique - can anyone help with  >> this. >>
 >> Thanks. >  > L > Sorry for this late reply, I was out of my office during the last 2 weeks. >  >   > you can connect to mysql using  > mysql -umyacc -pmypwd database > or/ > mysql --user=myacc --password==mypwd database  > L > If you need to execute a file within sql you can use the "source" command: > mysql> source file.sql >  > Hope this can help you.  > A > You can also write a small Python or Perl script to do the job.  >  >  >  > JF  ) Thanks, Jean-Francois - that's nailed it.   6 $ pipe mysql -uusername -ppassword database < file.sql  
 Thanks, all.     ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 10:03:10 -0700 ( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: Pipe & MySQL C Message-ID: <1128445390.480289.162920@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Alex, ? Thanks for the idea. That pipe command makes a really effective @ addition to some stuff I've been working on. Here's the snippet:   $ targ = "bcv_roads1G $ pipe (wri sys$output "set env/clu" ; wri sys$output "do sho dev/files  ''targ'" ) | mcr sysman   F (it looks as if html hosed the quotes around targ in the sho/dev/files@ part. it should be singleq-singleq-TARG-singleq. But then when i7 previewed the message, it looks OK. I just don't know!)   E i used to write this stuff out to a file and then run it.  This is so  much more elegant.   regards, denny    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 07:08:45 GMT ) From: Hans Bachner <Hans@Bachner.priv.at> A Subject: Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard 0 Message-ID: <dhsj4d.6q.1@usenet.bachner.priv.at>    <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote:   > Robert Alan Byer wrote:  <snip>= >> My problem is that one of the ATX power supplies in one of = >> AlphaPC164's died on me.  I read the manual that came with D >> the motherboard and it says to use an ATX power supply.  I boughtC >> the cases with power supplies quite some time back and they were 4 >> designed to work with the AlphaPC164 motherboard. >>H >> I go out and get a new modern ATX power supply, but it doesn't work,  <snip> > 	 > Robert, H >      most current ATX cases use soft power controls instead of the oldG > hard switches.  There's a pin on the large connector that needs to be G > grounded to power the supply up; I don't remember which one.  Even if I > the supply has a built in switch, the soft power has to be grounded for  > it to turn on.  I You can find more details on http://www.omnistep.com/~advantag/pwrsup.htm F Instead of soldering the bridge onto the mainboard, I grounded pin 14 C (green wire) of the power supply with a short piece of wire in the  H connector that plugs into the mainboard (e.g. to adjacent pin 15, black  wire).   Hope this helps, Hans.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:54:46 GMT 1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net> A Subject: Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard 2 Message-ID: <43425166.9080108@mail.ourservers.net>  7 Thanks, I'd appreciate a copy of the PDF to make sure I  ground the right wire :)  8 I'm pretty sure that's the problem, the old power supply4 had a wire with a connector to ground that had to be5 connected in order for the power supply to come on so " I'm pretty sure that's the problem   Thanks for the help.     Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: jordan@ccs4vms.com >  > H >>     most current ATX cases use soft power controls instead of the oldG >>hard switches.  There's a pin on the large connector that needs to be G >>grounded to power the supply up; I don't remember which one.  Even if I >>the supply has a built in switch, the soft power has to be grounded for  >>it to turn on. >  > H >    The pin in question should be "PS_ON#", pin 14, green.  If you needI > pictures, and if you can't do better elsewhere, I have a PDF file of an F > "ATX / ATX12V Power Supply Design Guide" "Version 1.1",  "(Copyright8 > 2000 Intel Corporation)", which I could put somewhere. >  >    If that _is_ the problem. > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 6 >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98185 >    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org  >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:40:00 -0400? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net> A Subject: Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard 0 Message-ID: <11k51e2ekc5hl79@corp.supernews.com>  = FYI I have a couple of the original NEW AXXION power supplies   F If you call ZIPPY (www.zippyusa.com) they could even build one for you   Our price for the PS is $199   Regards    David    --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   > "Robert Alan Byer" <byer@mail.ourservers.net> wrote in message4 news:FYd0f.69927$vJ4.42156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...@ > I have a couple of AlphaPC164 motherboards in cases that I use> > personally as workstations and file servers running OpenVMS. > < > My problem is that one of the ATX power supplies in one of< > AlphaPC164's died on me.  I read the manual that came withC > the motherboard and it says to use an ATX power supply.  I bought B > the cases with power supplies quite some time back and they were3 > designed to work with the AlphaPC164 motherboard.  > I > I go out and get a new modern ATX power supply, but it doesn't work, it F > won't power up and I ended up taking a power supply out of one of my: > OTHER working AlphaPC164 systems so I could at least get > my e-mail server going.  > 9 > My question is, is it even possible to use a modern ATX = > power supply with this motherboard and if so, how?  I would ? > like to put in something more than a 350W power supply in it.  >  > Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:44:03 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>* Subject: Re: Simh. How to triple the speed& Message-ID: <43425d02$1@news1.ethz.ch>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:J > SIMH expects 100% of the CPU, I believe part of the issue is the knowingN > when the emulated system is actually ideal.  IIRC this has been solved underG > KLH10 and possibly modified copies of SIMH by modifying TOP20 itself.   I It does not expect that much of the CPU: I just compiled the latest with  H Visual C++ and optimizations, and on this machine (dual AthlonMP 2400+) @ it eats only about 50% CPU time while giving about 10 VUPs (not H impressive at all). The load on the two CPUs is not the same (60 - 40%) F but I don't know how to check who's to blame. Maybe with gcc/mingw it E would go better, but I wasn't able yet to figure out how to get that   thing compiling anything.    S    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 15:40:14 +0100 K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! ! Message-ID: <QQTDwIVS7Aik@sinead>   C In article <43419DB0.MD-1.4.4.M.Kraemer@gsi.de>, "Michael Kraemer"   <M.Kraemer@gsi.de> writes:  R >> The rx1620 is not that cheap. The price displayed on the hp site is without OS,R >> without disks (and they are very expensive) and with only 512 Mb of memory (mayP >> be its ok for an IA64 ?). VMS was even not allowed as an OS choice .... grrr. >> And no sound card.  >>  
 >> Patrick > 4 > If HP would give an honest answer they'd tell you:B > You want a cheap box with sound ? Get one of our Windoze boxes !  K I have one, a P4 3Ghz with an Intel 7.1 sound chip (not bad at all ...) and L even 2 P3 laptops (but Compaq branded :-)). We also have two other HP P4 2.8M Ghz and two AMD 3200+ ones at home (but only with standard 5.1 sound chip)...   L But I want to continue listening music on my VMS workstation (actually DS10 $ with substandard stereo sound card).   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 17:36:09 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! , Message-ID: <4342bd89$1@news.langstoeger.at>  g In article <Exk0f.13746$5N6.1920@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes: ! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: D >> (The RX2600 is also already on EBAY, but AFAIK not capable of VMS > E >My rx2600 came with VMS factory-installed and it runs VMS just fine.   I Yes, there are rx2600 which run VMS and other rx2600 which don't run VMS. H And EBAY had the latter - for over a year now - (but now have the former for $7k for a used one)...   -EPLAN  ' PS: One swallow does not make it spring  --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:31:36 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! 8 Message-ID: <2e95k1ptkj7qovqqd57uq52vuh5j9i9ss6@4ax.com>  N On 4 Oct 2005 17:36:09 -0200, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:  h >In article <Exk0f.13746$5N6.1920@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:" >>Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:E >>> (The RX2600 is also already on EBAY, but AFAIK not capable of VMS  >>F >>My rx2600 came with VMS factory-installed and it runs VMS just fine. > J >Yes, there are rx2600 which run VMS and other rx2600 which don't run VMS.I >And EBAY had the latter - for over a year now - (but now have the former  >for $7k for a used one)...   L There are often Alpha systems on Ebay that are not supported by VMS but workO just fine. AFAIK all rx26xx systems will run VMS although only the Madison ones O are supported which in practice means any that are less than about 2 years old.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:36:32 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>5 Subject: Re: What is holding up linux on wall street? . Message-ID: <Dzv0f.5$UB4.1012@news.uswest.net>  K Obviously your concerns, valid as they are, aren't sufficient to stop linux J from making inroads in the financial industry.  The article at linuxplanetL is slanted, as to be expected, towards linux, but it does show that linux isJ starting to make headway in the financial arena, especially at the expenseE of Unix.  It's not clear from this article if other OSs, be they VMS, : Windows Server, or IBM OS/360 are being replaced by linux.  
 Mike Ober.  & <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message= news:1128350972.463035.231450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... ? > I'll tell you what ... security and reliability and a million > > lawyers waiting to sue if anything happens to someones money? > such as a failed orders taking place because the latest patch @ > of the day had not been installed ... OpenVMS CERT counts whenB > compared with linux tells you why, not to mention it is the gold= > standard in clustering ... only 9/11 systems to stand where > > OpenVMS systems ... and no trading company or stock exchange= > in its right mind would risk massive law suits just to look  > trendy ... > 8 > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6027/1/ >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:37:44 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: What is holding up linux on wall street? 3 Message-ID: <sdy0f.13782$R17.5104@news.cpqcorp.net>   H It is mostly things like workstations used by traders that are going to 5 Linux, and doing so mostly at the expense of Solaris.   G Mission-critical and back-end systems continue to be powered by things  L like OpenVMS and NonStop. I don't think you'll see Linux there anytime soon.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 09:25:55 -0700 - From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> 5 Subject: Re: What is holding up linux on wall street? B Message-ID: <1128443154.988136.12740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:? > I'll tell you what ... security and reliability and a million > > lawyers waiting to sue if anything happens to someones money? > such as a failed orders taking place because the latest patch @ > of the day had not been installed ... OpenVMS CERT counts whenB > compared with linux tells you why, not to mention it is the gold= > standard in clustering ... only 9/11 systems to stand where > > OpenVMS systems ... and no trading company or stock exchange= > in its right mind would risk massive law suits just to look  > trendy ... > 8 > http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6027/1/    E There might soon be a whole generation of people who grew up on linux  rather than m$.   G If you haven't heard about One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) and the The $100  Laptop project, read this:   http://laptop.media.mit.edu/   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 12:37:38 -0400 ! From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes) 5 Subject: Re: What is holding up linux on wall street? + Message-ID: <dhub4i$4gi$1@panix3.panix.com>   3 In article <sdy0f.13782$R17.5104@news.cpqcorp.net>, 3 Keith Parris  <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: I >It is mostly things like workstations used by traders that are going to  6 >Linux, and doing so mostly at the expense of Solaris. > H >Mission-critical and back-end systems continue to be powered by things M >like OpenVMS and NonStop. I don't think you'll see Linux there anytime soon.     ? OpenVMS is, as I understand it, the standard for stock exchange D trading floor systems.  The first full SEC-sanctioned stock exchange? to open in 27 years opened about 4 years ago (The International H Securities Exchange, NY) and the floor system was a Scandanavian package running on OpenVMS.   @ HP did a benchmark for them recently that demonstrated 1 million quotes/sec.   < At least some of the backend systems were Oracle on Windows.   --    a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m   ! Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:05:27 -0500 2 From: "-Andy-" <see2go4me@spamdelicious.yahoo.com>5 Subject: Re: What is holding up linux on wall street? 6 Message-ID: <Xns96E5852B39FD4see2go4me@216.196.97.131>  7 "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> enlightened us   with:    7 > There might soon be a whole generation of people who  " > grew up on linux rather than m$.  ; That won't necessarily make things any better for the rest  	 of us...    9 > If you haven't heard about One Laptop Per Child (OLPC)  - > and the The $100 Laptop project, read this:  >  > http://laptop.media.mit.edu/  ; The idea isn't new. For an Indian version see the Simputer:   ! http://www.simputer.org/simputer/   . They've been working on it for a couple years.  ; They apparently have actual hardware today (Sure, it looks  ; like a PDA but is probably a lot more durable than the MIT  # thing would be). And it runs Linux.   9 The only things missing are built-in wireless and giving  : them away... they expect someone to actually pay for them.  < And I believe the Chinese also had a similar project at one  point...   -Andy- --  4 You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant -- Excepting Alice   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:15:48 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> : Subject: RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C06E@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Don.Zong@gmail.com [mailto:Don.Zong@gmail.com]=20   > Sent: October 3, 2005 10:56 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 8 > Subject: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? >=207 > Seems it was not mentioned in the OpenVMS roadmap ...  >=20     Don,  E My understanding (hence, not official) is that since Microsoft COM is D ancient history i.e. legacy, (Microsoft statement), it does not make2 much sense to port those legacy pieces to Itanium.  C Instead, OpenVMS is focussing on improved J2EE and .Net integration 
 technologies.   . Can you expand on what your requirement is?=20  A There are commercial options available to assist with integrating . OpenVMS with legacy Microsoft technologies.=20   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:20:08 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) : Subject: RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?3 Message-ID: <scw0f.13762$y07.3089@news.cpqcorp.net>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C06E@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:: :> From: Don.Zong@gmail.com [mailto:Don.Zong@gmail.com]=20! :> Sent: October 3, 2005 10:56 AM  :> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com9 :> Subject: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? 8 :> Seems it was not mentioned in the OpenVMS roadmap ...  F :My understanding (hence, not official) is that since Microsoft COM isE :ancient history i.e. legacy, (Microsoft statement), it does not make 3 :much sense to port those legacy pieces to Itanium.   H   I checked with Gaitan Dantoni, a resident Microsoft COM expert here inG   OpenVMS Engineering -- he confirmed that COM is not on the roadmap at H   present  for OpenVMS I64.  If you have a specific requirement or such,H   please do contact Gaitan directly.  (Gaitan[dot]Dantoni[at-sign]hp...)  F   As Kerry alludes, Microsoft Ole, its follow-on COM and DCOM, and itsF   follow-on .Net, and the other Microsoft APIs are generally (rapidly)F   moving targets.  (I don't directly know details of Microsoft's VistaI   (nee Longhorn), but I'd definitely expect it involves new APIs.)   Java K   and J2EE, NetBeans and such are rather more portable, and various options B   are available in this space for OpenVMS and for other platforms.  F   (And no, I don't know that you can translate COM over to OpenVMS I64;   using DECmigrate binary translation; using AEST and TIE.)   G   Do contact Gaitan, as he most definitely tracks the products, options E   and trends here -- both Microsoft-based and Sun-based technologies.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:32:18 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>: Subject: RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?. Message-ID: <43425A32.15848.95E855A@localhost>  ) On 4 Oct 2005 at 9:15, Main, Kerry wrote: G > My understanding (hence, not official) is that since Microsoft COM is F > ancient history i.e. legacy, (Microsoft statement), it does not make4 > much sense to port those legacy pieces to Itanium.  ? Ohhh.  This is not good news for a project I've just started.   E There's a control system interface standard call OPC that depends on   COM (DCOM).   D HP's own Basestar OPC product depends on COM.  Did anyone tell them?  = It was on the roadmap a while back -- when did it disappear?? 
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 17:15:11 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)8 Subject: Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queues, Message-ID: <4342b89f$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <4341E649.46E1F68E@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: M >> I saw a keyword "GENERIC" to F$GETQUI to get a list of all generic queues. L >> But I don't saw a keyword "EXECUTION" or similar to get all other queues.L >> Do I have to loop over all queues, check if it's GENERIC and if yes, thenM >> jump over, or is there a better way (like a keyword I overlooked so far) ?  > 2 >Try "PRINTER" or "TERMINAL" instead of "GENERIC".  ? Doesn't meet the requirement as it also shows generic queues...   H >                                                   "SYMBIONT" will pickB >up all execution queues except batch queues, but including server >queues.  H Yes, "SYMBIONT" is equivalent to "PRINTER,SERVER,TERMINAL" as documented (and wanted here).     No cigar (yet)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2005 08:24:25 -0700  From: "R Boyd" <bob@hax.com>8 Subject: Re: [F$GETQUI] How to find all execution queuesB Message-ID: <1128439464.984103.51050@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  E Here's a command procedure as an example of looking at printer queues  to delete old print jobs.      Robert Boyd   " > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > > N > > I saw a keyword "GENERIC" to F$GETQUI to get a list of all generic queues.M > > But I don't saw a keyword "EXECUTION" or similar to get all other queues. M > > Do I have to loop over all queues, check if it's GENERIC and if yes, then N > > jump over, or is there a better way (like a keyword I overlooked so far) ?  ) $ vfl = f$ver(0.or.f$trnlnm("debug$dcl"))  $!D $! F$GETQUI example	find all print jobs older than a given delta and $! 			delete them  $!. $! Author: R.L. Boyd, GE Microelectronics Ctr." $! Date:   31-Aug-1994,16-Sep-1996 $!( $! to enable debug -- DEFINE DEBUG$DCL 1 $!A $! p1 -- expiration threshold(delta time), DEFAULT=7-0:0 (7 days)  $!
 $ set noon $!  $! Set up symbols for everything. $! clear out any old list of inaccessible_jobs $!, $ if f$type(inaccessible_list).nes."" then -) $ 	delete/symbol/global inaccessible_list  $!7 $! attempt to elevate privileges -- it may do some good  $!, $ save_privs = f$setprv("oper,world,sysprv") $! $ null = "" 	 $ b = " "  $ semi = ";"
 $ comma = ","  $ say = "write sys$output "  $! $! $ queue_match =  "*" $ expiration_threshold = p1 F $ if expiration_threshold .eqs."" then $ expiration_threshold = "7-0:"' $ if f$ver() then $ show sym /local/all 8 $   expiration_time = f$cvtime("-"+expiration_threshold) $!
 $ set noon $!) $! cancel any outstanding $GETQUI context  $!% $ TEMP = F$GETQUI("CANCEL_OPERATION")  $! $! see if we are in a cluster  $!) $   control = "WILDCARD,SYMBIONT,PRINTER"  $   aj = "ALL_JOBS" # $   ajf = "FREEZE_CONTEXT,ALL_JOBS"  $   dj = "DISPLAY_JOB" $   dq = "DISPLAY_QUEUE"" $   wf = control+",FREEZE_CONTEXT" $   star = queue_match $  $!C $! Get the next queue name, and establish context for DISPLAY_QUEUE  function $! $QUEUE_LOOP:@ $ nxt_queue_name = F$GETQUI(DQ,"QUEUE_NAME",queue_match,control) $!D $! See if we have a name or if we have gotten to the end of the list $! $ if nxt_queue_name .nes.null  $ then	! another queue name  $!/ $! Use FREEZE_CONTEXT to keep it on this queue.  $! $   star = nxt_queue_name G $   if f$trnlnm("''star'").nes."" then $ define/process/nolog "''star'" 	 "''star'" 0 $   processor = f$getqui(DQ,"PROCESSOR",star,wf)
 $JOB_LOOP:1 $   nxt_job = f$getqui(DJ,"JOB_NAME",,"ALL_JOBS")  $   if nxt_job .nes. "" - $   then	! there is another job on this queue 7 $	submission_time = f$getqui(DJ,"SUBMISSION_TIME",,ajf) 7 $       entry_number = f$getqui(DJ,"ENTRY_NUMBER",,ajf) 2 $	if f$cvtime(submission_time).lts.expiration_time $	then	! This entry is old $!	  read sys$command answer- 8 $!	    /prompt="Delete this entry ? [Y] "/end=QUEUE_LOOP) $!	  if answer.eqs."" then $ answer = "Y"  $!	  if answer" $!	  then	! they want to delete it: $	    say "Deleting Job ",nxt_job," Entry ",entry_number,-D 	        " submitted @ ",submission_time," on Queue ",nxt_queue_name% $	    delete/entry='entry_number'/log  $!	  endif	! delete it $	endif	! entry is old $	goto JOB_LOOP " $   endif	! next job on this queue $   goto QUEUE_LOOP  $  $ endif ! queue check  $! $EXIT:; $ if save_privs.nes.null then $ temp = f$setprv(save_privs)  $ temp = f$ver(vfl)  $ exit	! QUI_EXAMPLE7 $!Last Modified:  17-SEP-1996 11:23:08.40, By: RLB14162    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.554 ************************    xe^ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/93bvmslt/tools/strings.exe (40448 bytes) started.; >>> 226 Transfer completed.  39424 (8) bytes transferred.1  <<< PORT 194,116,244,16,16,1506 >>> 200 Port 16.150 at Host 194.116.244.16 accepted. <<< RETR strings.hZ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/93bvmslt/tools/strings.h (806 bytes) started.9 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  200 (8) bytes transferred.4  <<< PORT 194,116,244,16,16,1516 >>> 200 Port 16.151 at Host 194.116.244.16 accepted. <<< RETR strings8.ce\ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/93bvmslt/tools/strings8.c (2290 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  1702 (8) bytes transferred.  <<< PORT 194,116,244,16,16,1526 >>> 200 Port 16.152 at Host 194.116.244.16 accepted. <<< RETR strings8.exee^ >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/93bvmslt/tools/strings8.exe (3584 bytes) started.: >>> 226 Transfer completed.  2560 (8) bytes transferred.  <<< PORT 194,116,244,16,16,1536 >>> 200 Port 16.153 at