1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 05 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 556       Contents:' Re: =??Q?Re:_INFO-VAX_gone_berserk=3F?= ' Re: =??Q?Re:_INFO-VAX_gone_berserk=3F?=  Antsoft Best domain software Re: Drawlib not loaded Re: Drawlib not loaded Re: Drawlib not loaded* FA on eBay: MicroVAX, VAXstations and more* FA on eBay: MicroVAX, VAXstations and more4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobsF Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767)F Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767)/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today  Re: HP's strategy explained :  Re: HP's strategy explained :  Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q+ Re: Match-Maker wanted - Oz positions on go + Re: Match-Maker wanted - Oz positions on go  More on HSJ40 hung tapes Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapesP Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327, Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs!, Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs!6 Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!) Re: SC008/Star Couplers. Re: SC008/Star Couplers. Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s! RE: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s!1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X 1 Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X , Re: What is holding up linux on wall street?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?1 RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? 1 RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 04:55:12 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: =??Q?Re:_INFO-VAX_gone_berserk=3F?=3 Message-ID: <PQvleHUewkJg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <1128484290.e543d66355d5cf35ed1e1cb04880f8ee@teranews>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:  >  > D > On 10/04/2005 22:21:52 sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > M >> I just got about a hundred old postings, including a few "Rejected posting I >> to INFO-VAX@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU" messages related to duplicates of my own C >> postings.  If this continues, someone might wish to take a look.  >  > J > Yeah, I got a bunch of those duplicates too.  If my last couple of postsM > hadn't been via an actual newsreader and news server, those would probably   > have been dupes too.  < I got a recent rush of duplicates over the newsgroup itself.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:21:12 GMT - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: =??Q?Re:_INFO-VAX_gone_berserk=3F?=< Message-ID: <sON0f.689$R62.215@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  m In article <1128484290.e543d66355d5cf35ed1e1cb04880f8ee@teranews>, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:  >  > D > On 10/04/2005 22:21:52 sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > M >> I just got about a hundred old postings, including a few "Rejected posting I >> to INFO-VAX@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU" messages related to duplicates of my own C >> postings.  If this continues, someone might wish to take a look.  >  > J > Yeah, I got a bunch of those duplicates too.  If my last couple of postsM > hadn't been via an actual newsreader and news server, those would probably   > have been dupes too.  < I got a recent rush of duplicates over the newsgroup itself.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:05:46 +0200/ From: "Vasilisa" <vasialisa-petrova@ryandex.ru> % Subject: Antsoft Best domain software 8 Message-ID: <1128528505_46069@spool6-east.superfeed.net>  , Find expired domains with the best software: http://www.antssoft.com         r The best domain names are already taken. But with expired domain software you can find the best domain names like:  -------------------------------- http://www.beyx.com  http://www.c6d.de  http://www.fyq.us  http://www.gv0.net http://www.j1o.de  http://www.aj0.net http://www.3tt.de  http://www.3ss.de  http://www.aryh.com  http://www.qym.us  http://www.f6x.de  http://www.60n.de  http://www.7ix.de  http://www.k9m.de  http://www.4bx.de  http://www.9kk.de  http://www.bx0.net http://www.0ol.de  http://www.w6x.de  http://www.xub.us     O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups E ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:49:56 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded 3 Message-ID: <8SQ0f.13896$7M7.1045@news.cpqcorp.net>   H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:yg2xVve52dc9@eisner.encompasserve.org... = > In article <74D0f.13854$ar7.3079@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" $ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > > E > > I will add it as a work item.  In general, there are two types of  issues.  > > One B > > is more severe - some 3D graphics cards (especially on antique TurbochannelD > > systems) were *only* supported via Open3D - and will simply stop working. > F >    So before I update the OS on my Turbochannel workstation I should7 >    check to see if I have one of the supported cards?  >   ? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6674/6674pro_retired.html    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 08:03:18 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded 3 Message-ID: <yg2xVve52dc9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <74D0f.13854$ar7.3079@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > K > I will add it as a work item.  In general, there are two types of issues.  > One M > is more severe - some 3D graphics cards (especially on antique Turbochannel K > systems) were *only* supported via Open3D - and will simply stop working.   D    So before I update the OS on my Turbochannel workstation I should5    check to see if I have one of the supported cards?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:21:30 GMT ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Drawlib not loaded ; Message-ID: <urQ0f.710$R62.77@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>   ` In article <74D0f.13854$ar7.3079@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: > K > I will add it as a work item.  In general, there are two types of issues.  > One M > is more severe - some 3D graphics cards (especially on antique Turbochannel K > systems) were *only* supported via Open3D - and will simply stop working.   D    So before I update the OS on my Turbochannel workstation I should5    check to see if I have one of the supported cards?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:39:49 -0400 From: "Jim" <rowufo@gmail.com>3 Subject: FA on eBay: MicroVAX, VAXstations and more : Message-ID: <6p6dnfMLXI_kJt7enZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com>  L MicroVAX 2000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815897035 VAXstation 2000:  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815950980  VAXstation 4000 VLC:  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815995823   
 ...plus...   MicroPDP-11/73: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815995817  ASR 33 TeleType:  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815897031    Jim    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:21:07 GMT  From: "Jim" <rowufo@gmail.com>3 Subject: FA on eBay: MicroVAX, VAXstations and more < Message-ID: <TyP0f.698$R62.186@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  L MicroVAX 2000: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815897035 VAXstation 2000:  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815950980  VAXstation 4000 VLC:  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815995823    ....plus...    MicroPDP-11/73: = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815995817  ASR 33 TeleType:  = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5815897031    Jim    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:59:25 GMT $ From: measekite <inkystinky@oem.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs < Message-ID: <xJL0f.4031$Zs3.3303@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>   Bill Todd wrote:  / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  >  >> Bill  >> >> I am English - not American >  >  > Thank      > God    YA HEAR DAT FRANKIE CRANKIE   F > for small favors:  we have far too many jingoistic ignoramuses like  > you as it is.  > K >> But I have several members of Family in UK and in the US by marriage who # >> died fighting Germany in France.  >  OLD MAN TODD IS AN OLD FART    > ? > As I already observed, the American GIs in that lot died not  I > 'protecting' France (they were sent *long* after France had been taken  I > and not as a result of that occupation but rather as a result of Japan  H > bombing Pearl Harbor and then Germany declaring war on us) but during H > the general effort to prevent Germany and its allies from taking over H > the *rest* of the world (and/or to prevent the Russians from doing so G > if we didn't help take some of it back ourselves:  the Russians were  9 > of course well on the way back West long before D-Day).  >  >> Enough said.  >  > ; > Apparently not, since you're still laboring under severe  ! > misapprehensions about history.  > ? >  Granted Japan was a decider but remember those Liberty ships  > . >> carrying all kinds of equipment to Britain. >  > E > No "GI's lives were taken protecting France" on those ships either.  >  >> Or did I just imagine that? >  > G > No, you just imagined that it somehow supported your previous drivel   > in this area.  >  > - bill >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 08:00:55 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) O Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) 3 Message-ID: <k1ePhkjHY2Qu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <ko+R0VB8rjV3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > J > But on operating system less capable that VMS it is possible to overflowM > the available password history storage space and use the original password.  > J >>     IMHO minimum password lifetime should be used only on those systemsG >>    which don't support password history, and we should all move away @ >>    from such systems.  Even Windows will do passowrd history. > I > How does (contemporary) Windows defend against the attack I mentioned ? A > I thought older versions depended on minimum password lifetime.   F    All I know for sure is that my Windows XP has security settings forF    the password history.  IIRC it also has minimum age settings, whichG    we have at 0.  The notion that Windows actually got password history     right never crossed my mind.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:21:37 GMT ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) O Subject: Re: Getting Management attention for operations integrity (was ;32767) < Message-ID: <RjR0f.714$R62.273@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  c In article <ko+R0VB8rjV3@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > J > But on operating system less capable that VMS it is possible to overflowM > the available password history storage space and use the original password.  > J >>     IMHO minimum password lifetime should be used only on those systemsG >>    which don't support password history, and we should all move away @ >>    from such systems.  Even Windows will do passowrd history. > I > How does (contemporary) Windows defend against the attack I mentioned ? A > I thought older versions depended on minimum password lifetime.   F    All I know for sure is that my Windows XP has security settings forF    the password history.  IIRC it also has minimum age settings, whichG    we have at 0.  The notion that Windows actually got password history     right never crossed my mind.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:47:08 +1300$ From: "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today5 Message-ID: <RoM0f.16157$iM2.1328350@news.xtra.co.nz>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:43432C6B.A7DF605D@teksavvy.com... > Bill Gunshannon wrote:J > > The wonders of socialism.  If you don't have something, don't work for it,  > > just whine louder. >  > F > The wonders of democracy and citizens getting involved to tell their? > politcians what is wrong and needs to be fixed to serve THEM.  > H > Remember that politicians are there to serve people, not the other way around.   L What about the customers? What about 3rd party people? What about the damage, the strikers are doing to their own economy?  G You know, a few years back we had a holiday in France almost finalized. K But then another strike happened with reports of massive delays at airports G etc etc. We've cancelled and found another place for the holiday. Guess K which country businesses (including the airlines) lost our tourist dollars?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:06:24 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today. Message-ID: <mdQ0f.7$Yh5.1182@news.uswest.net>  3 "Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message 6 news:J4G0f.525$R62.277@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp...C > I just got back from a quick holiday in France. Everything worked E > properly, the whole place was clean, the people great fun, the food @ > terrific and cheap, the wine even more so. If that's caused by! > socialist whining, bring it on.   E CLEAN???  I was a teenager living in West Germany in the late 70s and K distinctly remember the French countryside filthy.  You could tell, without J any signs which side of the border you were standing on by the filth lyingG around in France vs. the lack of anything out of order in West Germany. C West Germany was the first European country I was in and was rather C surprised France was so filthy, especially when contrasted with the I cleanliness of West Germany.  Maybe it's changed, but I somehow doubt it.   F As for the people, as long as you stay away from Paris, the French areL wonderful.  I found Parisians to be haughty, snobbish, and complete jerks ifH you weren't from Paris - yes, I noticed this attitude even towards their fellow countrymen.  
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:00:32 +0100 & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today1 Message-ID: <051020051500322481%nospam@yrl.co.uk>   > In article <mdQ0f.7$Yh5.1182@news.uswest.net>, Michael D. Ober% <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote:   5 > "Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message 8 > news:J4G0f.525$R62.277@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp...E > > I just got back from a quick holiday in France. Everything worked G > > properly, the whole place was clean, the people great fun, the food B > > terrific and cheap, the wine even more so. If that's caused by# > > socialist whining, bring it on.  > G > CLEAN???  I was a teenager living in West Germany in the late 70s and M > distinctly remember the French countryside filthy.  You could tell, without L > any signs which side of the border you were standing on by the filth lyingI > around in France vs. the lack of anything out of order in West Germany. E > West Germany was the first European country I was in and was rather E > surprised France was so filthy, especially when contrasted with the K > cleanliness of West Germany.  Maybe it's changed, but I somehow doubt it.   D You better believe it. Provincial France is now one of the most spicB and span bits of the EU. Somebody moved the junk while you weren'tC looking. Germany has not recovered from re-absorbing the East. Even $ Switzerland has graffiti everywhere. > H > As for the people, as long as you stay away from Paris, the French areN > wonderful.  I found Parisians to be haughty, snobbish, and complete jerks ifJ > you weren't from Paris - yes, I noticed this attitude even towards their > fellow countrymen.   heh! but they do it with style!  >  > Mike Ober. >  >  >    --  1 To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ C PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810  E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:21:13 GMT & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today< Message-ID: <tjR0f.712$R62.241@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  > In article <mdQ0f.7$Yh5.1182@news.uswest.net>, Michael D. Ober% <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote:   5 > "Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message 8 > news:J4G0f.525$R62.277@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp...E > > I just got back from a quick holiday in France. Everything worked G > > properly, the whole place was clean, the people great fun, the food B > > terrific and cheap, the wine even more so. If that's caused by# > > socialist whining, bring it on.  > G > CLEAN???  I was a teenager living in West Germany in the late 70s and M > distinctly remember the French countryside filthy.  You could tell, without L > any signs which side of the border you were standing on by the filth lyingI > around in France vs. the lack of anything out of order in West Germany. E > West Germany was the first European country I was in and was rather E > surprised France was so filthy, especially when contrasted with the K > cleanliness of West Germany.  Maybe it's changed, but I somehow doubt it.   D You better believe it. Provincial France is now one of the most spicB and span bits of the EU. Somebody moved the junk while you weren'tC looking. Germany has not recovered from re-absorbing the East. Even $ Switzerland has graffiti everywhere. > H > As for the people, as long as you stay away from Paris, the French areN > wonderful.  I found Parisians to be haughty, snobbish, and complete jerks ifJ > you weren't from Paris - yes, I noticed this attitude even towards their > fellow countrymen.   heh! but they do it with style!  >  > Mike Ober. >  >  >    --  1 To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ C PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810  E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:42:51 -06006 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today. Message-ID: <wgU0f.27$k%1.458@news.uswest.net>  3 "Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message 6 news:tjR0f.712$R62.241@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp...@ > In article <mdQ0f.7$Yh5.1182@news.uswest.net>, Michael D. Ober' > <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote:  > 7 > > "Elliott Roper" <nospam@yrl.co.uk> wrote in message : > > news:J4G0f.525$R62.277@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp...G > > > I just got back from a quick holiday in France. Everything worked I > > > properly, the whole place was clean, the people great fun, the food D > > > terrific and cheap, the wine even more so. If that's caused by% > > > socialist whining, bring it on.  > > I > > CLEAN???  I was a teenager living in West Germany in the late 70s and G > > distinctly remember the French countryside filthy.  You could tell,  without H > > any signs which side of the border you were standing on by the filth lying K > > around in France vs. the lack of anything out of order in West Germany. G > > West Germany was the first European country I was in and was rather G > > surprised France was so filthy, especially when contrasted with the I > > cleanliness of West Germany.  Maybe it's changed, but I somehow doubt  it.  > F > You better believe it. Provincial France is now one of the most spicD > and span bits of the EU. Somebody moved the junk while you weren'tE > looking. Germany has not recovered from re-absorbing the East. Even & > Switzerland has graffiti everywhere.   That's good to know.   > > J > > As for the people, as long as you stay away from Paris, the French areG > > wonderful.  I found Parisians to be haughty, snobbish, and complete  jerks ifL > > you weren't from Paris - yes, I noticed this attitude even towards their > > fellow countrymen. > ! > heh! but they do it with style!  > >  > > Mike Ober. > >  > >  > >  >  > --  3 > To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ E > PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810  E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:10:13 GMT - From: Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> & Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :- Message-ID: <FTL0f.100711$tl2.42762@pd7tw3no>    They used to be, pre-Carly.    Art    mark_hpq@yahoo.com wrote:    > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  >>>Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >>D >>Not at all to those of us who are engaged in VMS rather than stock7 >>market stuff.  If you have something to say, post it.  >  >  > H > You can see that (among other things) Mark Hurd got a bonus of 400,000 > HP stocks G > and now he is laying off 15 % of the employees despite an increase of  > the profits of HP. > ? > The funny thing is that HP claims to be an "ethical" company.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:21:57 -0500 ' From: Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> & Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :* Message-ID: <WWM0f.2430$2_6.2162@fe02.lga>   mark_hpq@yahoo.com wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>> Larry Kilgallen wrote:E >> Not at all to those of us who are engaged in VMS rather than stock 8 >> market stuff.  If you have something to say, post it. >  > H > You can see that (among other things) Mark Hurd got a bonus of 400,000 > HP stocks G > and now he is laying off 15 % of the employees despite an increase of  > the profits of HP. > ? > The funny thing is that HP claims to be an "ethical" company.  >  > I While there is nothing unethical about reducing the workforce by 15%, it  C may affect customer service in a negative way, and may also affect  I employee loyalty negatively as well.  Some managers can only see today's  G bottom line as they don't plan to be with that company in 10 years.....      --    Ron Hunter  rphunter@charter.net   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:28:02 +0100 From: "John" <john@yahoooo.co>' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q 0 Message-ID: <0oK0f.16707$R5.1411@news.indigo.ie>  : Richard please refrain from posting the same message twice  8 "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com> wrote in message 6 news:sbG0f.643$R62.437@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp...E > Actually I find that protection of knowledge thing to be offensive.  > . > We all generally share our knowledge openly. > K > The thing is, your question quickly exposed your lack of familiarity with  > the actual process.  > I > Because you asked the question, the way you did, you set off the Alarm   > bells K > that said someone with light knowledge was going to change the system and L > they should first have the sanction of their management to do this, on the/ > understanding that the activity was going on.  > C > Most OpenVMS systems in active use today are in high availability G > situations, banks, traders, process control, telephony and the like.  	 > Messing F > up something could mean a real bad situation for more than just the 	 > system.  >  > + > "John" <john@yahoooo.co> wrote in message , > news:c%30f.16569$R5.1169@news.indigo.ie...C >> David, thanks for your considered reply. Don't have to defer to  
 >> management H >> because I am Management. Thats one thing about IT people they like toH >> protect knowledge, seemingly I presume in case they are then the ones > chosenL >> by "management" for downsizing, I guess protectionism is still bouyont in >> Information Technology  >>B >> "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message( >> news:4340A2EC.252177D8@comcast.net... >> > John wrote: >> >> J >> >> How can I install a printer using VMS on an Alpha server. I have theK >> >> following code which I notepaded from the last time one was installed  > and L >> >> have changed the relevany name of printer and its IP address to what I >> >> want. F >> >> Name of Printer = OKI , IP Address = 10.1.1.250. Which is a Dot 
 >> >> Matrix.  >> >> K >> >> If I carry out the instructions below will it work or will I cock up   >> >> myJ >> >> whole server?? Do I have to add a Print Queue etc .I'm not in IT but > want >> >> toK >> >> learn something which should be learanable. I can get to the $ prompt  > etc  >> >>  >> >
 >> > John, >> >C >> > No offense, but if you're not in IT, I'd have to defer to your J >> > management to give you the privileges that would be required by what  >> > youC >> > want to do. In many shops, it would not be security compliant.  >> >I >> > That said, the examples in the on-line documentation may be helpful.  >> > Start from here:  >> >% >> > http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc  >> > >> > --  >> > David J Dachtera  >> > dba DJE Systems >> > http://www.djesys.com/  >> >. >> > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:' >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  >> >- >> > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: $ >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >> >' >> > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: $ >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ >> > >> > Coming soon: + >> > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page  >> >> >  >  > G > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet   > News==----K > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+   > NewsgroupsH > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption  > =----  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:34:39 -0400, From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q 8 Message-ID: <1128523037_44281@spool6-east.superfeed.net>  ( I post via Microsoft Outlook newsreader. I only post a single message.   G I believe that there is a secondary system (INFO-VAX) picking up what I H posted and re-posting automatically. I got a number of failed to deliverH email messages yesterday about undeliverable postings due to duplication that came from INFO-VAX.  L I would suggest that INFO-VAX, maybe running on Windows mumble something, is	 at fault.    rtt       ) "John" <john@yahoooo.co> wrote in message * news:0oK0f.16707$R5.1411@news.indigo.ie...< > Richard please refrain from posting the same message twice > 9 > "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com> wrote in message 8 > news:sbG0f.643$R62.437@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp...G > > Actually I find that protection of knowledge thing to be offensive.  > > 0 > > We all generally share our knowledge openly. > > H > > The thing is, your question quickly exposed your lack of familiarity with > > the actual process.  > > J > > Because you asked the question, the way you did, you set off the Alarm	 > > bells I > > that said someone with light knowledge was going to change the system  and J > > they should first have the sanction of their management to do this, on the 1 > > understanding that the activity was going on.  > > E > > Most OpenVMS systems in active use today are in high availability H > > situations, banks, traders, process control, telephony and the like. > > Messing G > > up something could mean a real bad situation for more than just the  > > system.  > >  > > - > > "John" <john@yahoooo.co> wrote in message . > > news:c%30f.16569$R5.1169@news.indigo.ie...D > >> David, thanks for your considered reply. Don't have to defer to > >> management J > >> because I am Management. Thats one thing about IT people they like toJ > >> protect knowledge, seemingly I presume in case they are then the ones
 > > chosenK > >> by "management" for downsizing, I guess protectionism is still bouyont  in > >> Information Technology  > >>D > >> "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message* > >> news:4340A2EC.252177D8@comcast.net... > >> > John wrote: > >> >> L > >> >> How can I install a printer using VMS on an Alpha server. I have theC > >> >> following code which I notepaded from the last time one was 	 installed  > > and L > >> >> have changed the relevany name of printer and its IP address to what I 
 > >> >> want. G > >> >> Name of Printer = OKI , IP Address = 10.1.1.250. Which is a Dot  > >> >> Matrix.  > >> >> L > >> >> If I carry out the instructions below will it work or will I cock up
 > >> >> myL > >> >> whole server?? Do I have to add a Print Queue etc .I'm not in IT but > > want
 > >> >> toF > >> >> learn something which should be learanable. I can get to the $ prompt > > etc  > >> >>  > >> > > >> > John, > >> >E > >> > No offense, but if you're not in IT, I'd have to defer to your K > >> > management to give you the privileges that would be required by what 
 > >> > youE > >> > want to do. In many shops, it would not be security compliant.  > >> >K > >> > That said, the examples in the on-line documentation may be helpful.  > >> > Start from here:  > >> >' > >> > http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc  > >> >
 > >> > --  > >> > David J Dachtera  > >> > dba DJE Systems > >> > http://www.djesys.com/  > >> >0 > >> > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:) > >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  > >> >/ > >> > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: & > >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > >> >) > >> > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: & > >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > >> > > >> > Coming soon: - > >> > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page  > >> > >> > >  > >  > > H > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet > > News==----L > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ > > NewsgroupsI > > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption 	 > > =----  > >  >  >       O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:21:15 GMT , From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com>' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q < Message-ID: <LbS0f.716$R62.241@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  ( I post via Microsoft Outlook newsreader. I only post a single message.   G I believe that there is a secondary system (INFO-VAX) picking up what I H posted and re-posting automatically. I got a number of failed to deliverH email messages yesterday about undeliverable postings due to duplication that came from INFO-VAX.  L I would suggest that INFO-VAX, maybe running on Windows mumble something, is	 at fault.    rtt       ) "John" <john@yahoooo.co> wrote in message * news:0oK0f.16707$R5.1411@news.indigo.ie...< > Richard please refrain from posting the same message twice > 9 > "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com> wrote in message 8 > news:sbG0f.643$R62.437@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp...G > > Actually I find that protection of knowledge thing to be offensive.  > > 0 > > We all generally share our knowledge openly. > > H > > The thing is, your question quickly exposed your lack of familiarity with > > the actual process.  > > J > > Because you asked the question, the way you did, you set off the Alarm	 > > bells I > > that said someone with light knowledge was going to change the system  and J > > they should first have the sanction of their management to do this, on the 1 > > understanding that the activity was going on.  > > E > > Most OpenVMS systems in active use today are in high availability H > > situations, banks, traders, process control, telephony and the like. > > Messing G > > up something could mean a real bad situation for more than just the  > > system.  > >  > > - > > "John" <john@yahoooo.co> wrote in message . > > news:c%30f.16569$R5.1169@news.indigo.ie...D > >> David, thanks for your considered reply. Don't have to defer to > >> management J > >> because I am Management. Thats one thing about IT people they like toJ > >> protect knowledge, seemingly I presume in case they are then the ones
 > > chosenK > >> by "management" for downsizing, I guess protectionism is still bouyont  in > >> Information Technology  > >>D > >> "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message* > >> news:4340A2EC.252177D8@comcast.net... > >> > John wrote: > >> >> L > >> >> How can I install a printer using VMS on an Alpha server. I have theC > >> >> following code which I notepaded from the last time one was 	 installed  > > and L > >> >> have changed the relevany name of printer and its IP address to what I 
 > >> >> want. G > >> >> Name of Printer = OKI , IP Address = 10.1.1.250. Which is a Dot  > >> >> Matrix.  > >> >> L > >> >> If I carry out the instructions below will it work or will I cock up
 > >> >> myL > >> >> whole server?? Do I have to add a Print Queue etc .I'm not in IT but > > want
 > >> >> toF > >> >> learn something which should be learanable. I can get to the $ prompt > > etc  > >> >>  > >> > > >> > John, > >> >E > >> > No offense, but if you're not in IT, I'd have to defer to your K > >> > management to give you the privileges that would be required by what 
 > >> > youE > >> > want to do. In many shops, it would not be security compliant.  > >> >K > >> > That said, the examples in the on-line documentation may be helpful.  > >> > Start from here:  > >> >' > >> > http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc  > >> >
 > >> > --  > >> > David J Dachtera  > >> > dba DJE Systems > >> > http://www.djesys.com/  > >> >0 > >> > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:) > >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  > >> >/ > >> > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: & > >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > >> >) > >> > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: & > >> > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > >> > > >> > Coming soon: - > >> > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page  > >> > >> > >  > >  > > H > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet > > News==----L > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ > > NewsgroupsI > > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption 	 > > =----  > >  >  >       O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:09:30 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>' Subject: Re: Install a Printer on VMS Q < Message-ID: <_US0f.73478$RW.61293@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Richard Tomkins wrote: > I > I believe that there is a secondary system (INFO-VAX) picking up what I J > posted and re-posting automatically. I got a number of failed to deliverJ > email messages yesterday about undeliverable postings due to duplication > that came from INFO-VAX. > N > I would suggest that INFO-VAX, maybe running on Windows mumble something, is > at fault.   1 The fault would appear to be with the host below.   < Message-ID: <LbS0f.716$R62.241@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp># Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:21:15 GMT " NNTP-Posting-Host: 211.124.166.216! X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.ne.jp G X-Trace: news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp 1128525675 211.124.166.216 (Thu,   06 Oct 2005 00:21:15 JST) 0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:21:15 JST  E That is host news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp is regenerating everything   with a new message ID and date   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 00:47:15 -0700  From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au 4 Subject: Re: Match-Maker wanted - Oz positions on goB Message-ID: <1128498435.539971.61220@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Hi Richard,    I would like to now as well.  " The Sydney based job especially...  ! Shared memory, TCPIP, QIO me too.   ! C and FORTRAN, not PASCAL either.   ) Where are the VMS FORTRAN and VMS C jobs?   $ Just installing on my hobbist system   Stuart   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 08:21:14 GMT  From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au 4 Subject: Re: Match-Maker wanted - Oz positions on go< Message-ID: <_1M0f.682$R62.533@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>   Hi Richard,    I would like to now as well.  " The Sydney based job especially...  ! Shared memory, TCPIP, QIO me too.   ! C and FORTRAN, not PASCAL either.   ) Where are the VMS FORTRAN and VMS C jobs?   $ Just installing on my hobbist system   Stuart   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 03:55:29 -0700 * From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>! Subject: More on HSJ40 hung tapes B Message-ID: <1128509729.766202.73240@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  @ Ok. a week ago I posted about a problem with tapes hung on HSJ40G controllers. The suggested work-around of deleting the unit then adding B it back again worked but after less than a week it re-occurred. As> several people emailed me to say they used to see this problemB regularly on the HSJ40 I am trying to understand why. Firmware bugB surely? Firmware installed is V34J-0. i couldn't find the firmwareG immediately on the HP site so can anyone tell me the latest release and D where I might find it? Any comments as to whether ayone recalls this* problem being fixed by a firmware upgrade?   Thanks   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:21:16 GMT & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>% Subject: Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes < Message-ID: <wjR0f.713$R62.208@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>   Alan Greig wrote: B > Ok. a week ago I posted about a problem with tapes hung on HSJ40I > controllers. The suggested work-around of deleting the unit then adding D > it back again worked but after less than a week it re-occurred. As@ > several people emailed me to say they used to see this problemD > regularly on the HSJ40 I am trying to understand why. Firmware bugD > surely? Firmware installed is V34J-0. i couldn't find the firmwareI > immediately on the HP site so can anyone tell me the latest release and F > where I might find it? Any comments as to whether ayone recalls this, > problem being fixed by a firmware upgrade? > & This was a regular problem for me too.  C On the firmware side, we also had a problem with heavy disk I/O on  B HSJ40s; we were told that that was a firmware bug, but no further I firmware fixes would be released, HSJ40s having come to the end of their  G official support date. The official recommendation was to upgrade to a  G later model - the rest of our controllers were HSJ50s at that time. We  I just lived with it, moving our heavy disk I/O load to HSJ50 served disks.   + The timeframe would be 5 or more years ago.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:21:47 GMT & From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net>% Subject: Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes * Message-ID: <v4T0f.2980$ir4.1632@edtnps90>   Alan Greig wrote: B > Ok. a week ago I posted about a problem with tapes hung on HSJ40I > controllers. The suggested work-around of deleting the unit then adding D > it back again worked but after less than a week it re-occurred. As@ > several people emailed me to say they used to see this problemD > regularly on the HSJ40 I am trying to understand why. Firmware bugD > surely? Firmware installed is V34J-0. i couldn't find the firmwareI > immediately on the HP site so can anyone tell me the latest release and F > where I might find it? Any comments as to whether ayone recalls this, > problem being fixed by a firmware upgrade? >  > Thanks >   E We logged many calls on HSJ40 problems besides the one you mentioned.  E.g.,  $ moun/fore/nounload  $2$mua12:  %MOUNT-F-DATALOST, data lost     DATALOST,  data lost)     Facility:     SYSTEM, System Services @     Explanation:  Data was lost on a PTD$WRITE operation because4 		the heterminal driver's type-ahead buffer is full.G     User Action:  Wait until the driver is ready for input and try 			  2 entering the data again. For information on how to6 		program the pseudoterminal, refer to the OpenVMS I/O 		User's Reference Manual.    $ mount/fore/nounload  $2$mua12:" %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, medium is offline8 %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount device _$2$MUA12: (HSJM05)   Interrupt   ; After many service calls, we finally got a firmware update. 5 	HSJ40 Firmware version V37J-1, Hardware version  B01 @ We applied it in Mar of 2004.  I vaguely recall that it may have( reduced the problems but not completely.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 09:42:43 -0700  From: "R Boyd" <bob@hax.com>% Subject: Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes C Message-ID: <1128530563.909690.302580@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   D I recall that another factor in these failures is whether or not youG have the tape drives assigned exclusively to one controller or allow it ( to be failed over from one to the other.  F The most stable configuration is to assign each tape drive exclusivelyD to one controller and not allow for automatic failover.  This almostF completely eliminated the troubles I had with the drives going offline like you're seeing.    Robert Boyd    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:21:12 GMT  From: "R Boyd" <bob@hax.com>% Subject: Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes < Message-ID: <cYT0f.723$R62.240@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  D I recall that another factor in these failures is whether or not youG have the tape drives assigned exclusively to one controller or allow it ( to be failed over from one to the other.  F The most stable configuration is to assign each tape drive exclusivelyD to one controller and not allow for automatic failover.  This almostF completely eliminated the troubles I had with the drives going offline like you're seeing.    Robert Boyd    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:06:57 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> Y Subject: Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327 3 Message-ID: <l_R0f.13904$0O7.6144@news.cpqcorp.net>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:J > Anyone know where the details of ODS-5 and version numbering is defined?  F Kirby McCoy's book "VMS File System Internals", ISBN 1-55558-056-4 or E 0-13-931783-X, details ODS-2 and version numbering. ODS-5 is just an  D extension (fairly minor in scope) to ODS-2 for things like extended = character sets for filenames. Hoff's pointers may be helpful.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:26:40 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! & Message-ID: <4343802f$1@news1.ethz.ch>   Keith Parris wrote:  > American Micro Devices (AMD)  ( Don't you mean _Advanced_ Micro Devices?   S    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:29:23 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS & alpha still drive Intels fabs! 3 Message-ID: <7rR0f.13901$lL7.5112@news.cpqcorp.net>    S wrote:* > Don't you mean _Advanced_ Micro Devices?  F Yep. Gotta get my fingers fixed -- the auto-complete feature seems to  generate errors.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:12:18 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS on rx2600 (was Re: Time to produce EV79s!) L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0510050812180001@user-uinj46f.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <l975k1p7i8j04aagvi2fnp36134jqs6sei@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker  <nigel@hp.com> wrote:     M >The easiest way to distinguish between McKinley & Madison rx2600 is that the I >front panel of the former are a light beige colour whilst the latter are P >'Carbon' or 'Graphite' or some other marketing word for black or dark grey. TheI >little picture certainly appears that it is darker than a McKinley box &  this is K >confirmed by the 1.3GHz CPUs. Maximum speed for McKinley AFAIR was 900MHz.   H The color of the front panel is NOT a reliable indicator of McKinley vs.
 Madison CPUs.   J I've seen systems upgraded from McKinley to Madison in the field, and most% of them did not get new front panels.   J I'm not even sure that manufacturing did the front panel changeover at the& same time they did the CPU changeover.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 03:22:51 -0700 1 From: "Leigh" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> ! Subject: Re: SC008/Star Couplers. C Message-ID: <1128507771.825533.199920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G Does everything have to be powered down that is connected to the SC008?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:21:07 GMT 1 From: "Leigh" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> ! Subject: Re: SC008/Star Couplers. < Message-ID: <DGO0f.693$R62.189@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  G Does everything have to be powered down that is connected to the SC008?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 06:21:29 GMT ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! < Message-ID: <JhK0f.676$R62.589@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:A > ok Sue and everyone else at HP ... after reading this, itaniums A > future doesn't look bright, and it is now time to make IBM live 9 > up to its legal obligations and start making EV79s NOW!   F boob, when will you get it through your thick skull, if you even have A anything above your shoulders, that IBM has NO LEGAL OBLIGATIONS!   I If anything, you're thinking about Intel.  And you can see where they're   going.  D IBM is only the source of the copper chips, which are currently the I fastest Alphas available.  For a price, they'll probably continue making  8 chips.  That's the business IBM Micro-electronics is in.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:33:21 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net># Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! = Message-ID: <1Padnd55r5op7t7eRVn-sg@metrocastcablevision.com>    Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----9 >>From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]   >>Sent: October 4, 2005 9:38 PM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! >>Subject: Time to produce EV79s!  >>A >>ok Sue and everyone else at HP ... after reading this, itaniums A >>future doesn't look bright, and it is now time to make IBM live 9 >>up to its legal obligations and start making EV79s NOW!  >>@ >>The chip improvement timeline looks like a disaster since they) >>removed the alpha team from itanium ...  >>A >>Do it now or lose vms customers to IBM!  Why can't IBM have not @ >>had NIH syndrome and bought vms for power????????  FOOLS!!!!!! >> >>+ >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26519  >> >> >  >  > I > Bob, the day after that article was printed, the following article also  > appeared:  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26552 % > IBM's Power 5+ to launch at 2.1GHz  0 > Disappointing for IBM, cheering news for Intel9 > By Charlie Demerjian: Thursday 29 September 2005, 08:06   B It's amusing how quick Itanic boosters are to jump in glee at the   thought that POWER5+ may fizzle.  F In fact, they just have very short memories.  When IBM introduced the D POWER4+ shrink to 130 nm. from the 180 nm., 1.3 GHz POWER4, the new E POWER4+ was introduced (in low-to-mid-range systems only) at 1.2 and  F 1.45 GHz - even the faster of the two only marginally faster than its A predecessor.  A few months later, the higher-end POWER4+ systems  A appeared at 1.7 GHz (a significant increase).  And later 1.9 GHz  H high-end POWER4+ systems appeared, fully 30% faster than POWER4+ at its 
 introduction.   H IBM is *very* careful with both new processors and new processes.  They G get introduced at conservative clock speeds and ramp up (and move into  F higher-range systems) only after IBM is absolutely confident of their F ability to do so.  There may also be a significant portion of Osborne = effect involved:  introducing a much faster POWER5+ in their  ? low-to-mid-range offerings before making it available in their  C higher-end products could easily cause a slump in those higher-end  F product sales while customers waited for it to become available there.  F And a good card-player might just hold back a few strong cards in the I hand to play when Montecito eventually appears, of course - though given  H how much Montecito has slipped in both schedule and performance IBM may H run out of patience before then and figure it's no longer any strategic H threat (especially since POWER6 will be coming along shortly thereafter  anyway).   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:21:18 GMT ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net># Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! < Message-ID: <O9L0f.678$R62.673@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>   Main, Kerry wrote: >>-----Original Message-----9 >>From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]   >>Sent: October 4, 2005 9:38 PM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! >>Subject: Time to produce EV79s!  >>A >>ok Sue and everyone else at HP ... after reading this, itaniums A >>future doesn't look bright, and it is now time to make IBM live 9 >>up to its legal obligations and start making EV79s NOW!  >>@ >>The chip improvement timeline looks like a disaster since they) >>removed the alpha team from itanium ...  >>A >>Do it now or lose vms customers to IBM!  Why can't IBM have not @ >>had NIH syndrome and bought vms for power????????  FOOLS!!!!!! >> >>+ >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26519  >> >> >  >  > I > Bob, the day after that article was printed, the following article also  > appeared:  > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26552 % > IBM's Power 5+ to launch at 2.1GHz  0 > Disappointing for IBM, cheering news for Intel9 > By Charlie Demerjian: Thursday 29 September 2005, 08:06   B It's amusing how quick Itanic boosters are to jump in glee at the   thought that POWER5+ may fizzle.  F In fact, they just have very short memories.  When IBM introduced the D POWER4+ shrink to 130 nm. from the 180 nm., 1.3 GHz POWER4, the new E POWER4+ was introduced (in low-to-mid-range systems only) at 1.2 and  F 1.45 GHz - even the faster of the two only marginally faster than its A predecessor.  A few months later, the higher-end POWER4+ systems  A appeared at 1.7 GHz (a significant increase).  And later 1.9 GHz  H high-end POWER4+ systems appeared, fully 30% faster than POWER4+ at its 
 introduction.   H IBM is *very* careful with both new processors and new processes.  They G get introduced at conservative clock speeds and ramp up (and move into  F higher-range systems) only after IBM is absolutely confident of their F ability to do so.  There may also be a significant portion of Osborne = effect involved:  introducing a much faster POWER5+ in their  ? low-to-mid-range offerings before making it available in their  C higher-end products could easily cause a slump in those higher-end  F product sales while customers waited for it to become available there.  F And a good card-player might just hold back a few strong cards in the I hand to play when Montecito eventually appears, of course - though given  H how much Montecito has slipped in both schedule and performance IBM may H run out of patience before then and figure it's no longer any strategic H threat (especially since POWER6 will be coming along shortly thereafter  anyway).   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 09:55:23 +0100 K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! ! Message-ID: <MgRY$9EDiJ0w@sinead>   a In article <JaH0f.13882$Zt7.12402@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  >  [...] M > In any case, Alpha "had" sound support.  It didn't have it once PCI went to  > V2.2E > and 3V power.  Marvel/EV7 systems do not have sound - of any kind -  > including a system bell. > K > It's a matter of demand.  We did a bunch of work to keep sound, and while P > there  are a few vocal people who want it - not many who wanted to pay for it. > L > Tell you what.  I'll publish the QIO interface for MMOV's interface to the+ > sound card - feel free to write a driver.   M I was ready to buy an I64 workstation, but at that time VMS was not supported H on them. Now, workstations are gone, an no sound support on the servers.M However, it will be interesting to have the MMOV API but I don't know if I'll O be able to write the driver (however I have a book on writing device drivers on  Alpha ...).   F BTW, whem I buy a VMS system I also buy VMS licences even if I use it E as a hobbyist system. It is the minimum I must do for supporting VMS.    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr              ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 DSNA/DTI/SDER (ex CENA)         / /   /     / /|  /|J Athis-Mons France              / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/              http://membres.lycos.fr/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:16:20 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> # Subject: RE: Time to produce EV79s! R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C0D9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]=20 > Sent: October 5, 2005 3:21 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s!  >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: > >>-----Original Message-----= > >>From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]=20 ! > >>Sent: October 4, 2005 9:38 PM  > >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > >>Subject: Time to produce EV79s!  > >>C > >>ok Sue and everyone else at HP ... after reading this, itaniums C > >>future doesn't look bright, and it is now time to make IBM live ; > >>up to its legal obligations and start making EV79s NOW!  > >>B > >>The chip improvement timeline looks like a disaster since they+ > >>removed the alpha team from itanium ...  > >>C > >>Do it now or lose vms customers to IBM!  Why can't IBM have not B > >>had NIH syndrome and bought vms for power????????  FOOLS!!!!!! > >> > >>/ > >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D26519  > >> > >> > >=20 > >=20 > >=20A > > Bob, the day after that article was printed, the following=20  > article also
 > > appeared:  > >=20/ > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D26552 ) > > IBM's Power 5+ to launch at 2.1GHz=20 2 > > Disappointing for IBM, cheering news for Intel; > > By Charlie Demerjian: Thursday 29 September 2005, 08:06  >=20F > It's amusing how quick Itanic boosters are to jump in glee at the=20" > thought that POWER5+ may fizzle. >=20   [snip..]  H And just as amusing is how quick the pro "anything but Itanium" boostersH are to post any Itanium (or Intel in general) doom-n-gloom stories which. supports their theory that the sky is falling.   :-)   D The reality is that all of the CPU chip vendors are currently havingH issues with trying to find the right balance between heat and higher cpu7 speeds. No one vendor has (yet) found the magic potion.   G On the other hand, you have most large Customers who now recognize that E their Wintel systems are on average 10-20% utilized during prime time G and their UNIX systems 15-30% utilized. So, if Customers seem to be not H exactly sitting on the edge of their seats looking for the latest vendor# speeds-n-feeds, this is likely why.    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:56:14 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! < Message-ID: <O3Q0f.134708$xl6.73962@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Main, Kerry wrote:   >>-----Original Message-----2 >>From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@metrocast.net]  >>Sent: October 5, 2005 3:21 AM  >>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % >>Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s!  >> >>Main, Kerry wrote: >> >>>>-----Original Message-----; >>>>From: bob@instantwhip.com [mailto:bob@instantwhip.com]  ! >>>>Sent: October 4, 2005 9:38 PM  >>>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # >>>>Subject: Time to produce EV79s!  >>>>C >>>>ok Sue and everyone else at HP ... after reading this, itaniums C >>>>future doesn't look bright, and it is now time to make IBM live ; >>>>up to its legal obligations and start making EV79s NOW!  >>>>B >>>>The chip improvement timeline looks like a disaster since they+ >>>>removed the alpha team from itanium ...  >>>>C >>>>Do it now or lose vms customers to IBM!  Why can't IBM have not B >>>>had NIH syndrome and bought vms for power????????  FOOLS!!!!!! >>>> >>>>- >>>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26519  >>>> >>>> >>>  >>>  >>> > >>>Bob, the day after that article was printed, the following  >> >>article also >> >>>appeared: >>> , >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26552& >>>IBM's Power 5+ to launch at 2.1GHz 1 >>>Disappointing for IBM, cheering news for Intel : >>>By Charlie Demerjian: Thursday 29 September 2005, 08:06 >>D >>It's amusing how quick Itanic boosters are to jump in glee at the " >>thought that POWER5+ may fizzle. >> >  > 
 > [snip..] > J > And just as amusing is how quick the pro "anything but Itanium" boostersJ > are to post any Itanium (or Intel in general) doom-n-gloom stories which0 > supports their theory that the sky is falling. >  > :-)  > F > The reality is that all of the CPU chip vendors are currently havingJ > issues with trying to find the right balance between heat and higher cpu9 > speeds. No one vendor has (yet) found the magic potion.  > I > On the other hand, you have most large Customers who now recognize that G > their Wintel systems are on average 10-20% utilized during prime time I > and their UNIX systems 15-30% utilized. So, if Customers seem to be not J > exactly sitting on the edge of their seats looking for the latest vendor% > speeds-n-feeds, this is likely why.  > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > 6 > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. >  >   = Of course, once upon a time programmers wrote efficient code. I And reliability is far more important than ultimate processor speed much   or most of the time.  F I was working a performance call, a continuation a 1.5 years ago on a H VMS health cluster.  There were strong I/O recommendations by a team of E experts.  He hasn't had the down time to implement them in 1.5 years.    Keeps VMS going.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:38:52 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann): Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X) Message-ID: <di03es$5ig$1@news.BelWue.DE>   < In article <4bG0f.637$R62.627@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>,"  stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au writes:  F >I have just install a wireless network and I would like to be able toG >connect to my DS10L running VMS 7.3-2 from my powerbook G4 running Mac  >OSX 10.3.x. > D >I have tried terminal which is pretty poor.  Could not even get theE >ctrl-z to work correctly.  Also tried powerterm - but this is not as E >nice as I had hoped - plus pretty pricy.  Virtual keyboard and fonts  >were pretty poor. > F >Any other suggestions.  Does WRQ still market a terminal emulator for	 >Mac OSX?  > @ >Main use is to run EVE (edit / tpu) for editoring source files.  N DataComet from http://www.databeast.com/ is pretty good and not too expensive.J You may download a trial version with the full functionality but that will terminate after 30 days.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 09:37:00 -0000 / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> : Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X0 Message-ID: <11k77lssemsuo82@corp.supernews.com>  " Galen <gltackett@gmail.com> wrote:H > There's also aterm, which I've built and tried with limited success onF > OS X V10.3.9: http://www.afterstep.org/aterm.php will get you there.* > You have to have X11 installed, however.  A > You can use aterm's resource file to remap the keyboard, if you   I hmm - reading its source to refresh my memory just now, I don't see that. K It has a handful of pertinent resources such as backspace/delete selection, C but nothing that could be regarded as able to "remap" the keyboard.   E > Of course, you should also be able to use X resources to just remap I > xterm's keys as needed, but aterm somehow looks nicer and is probably a  > lot slimmer, too.   B out-of-the-box, xterm has a workable set of keys to emulate vt220.D (though putting PF1-PF4 on F1-F4 isn't what people expect - they can& of course remap those with resources).  4 xterm supports ANSI color, VT220 emulation and UTF-8 There's an faq at 1 	http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html " 	ftp://invisible-island.net/xterm/   --   Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net  ftp://invisible-island.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:21:07 GMT / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> : Subject: Re: VMS compatible terminal emulator for Mac OS X< Message-ID: <nON0f.688$R62.470@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  " Galen <gltackett@gmail.com> wrote:H > There's also aterm, which I've built and tried with limited success onF > OS X V10.3.9: http://www.afterstep.org/aterm.php will get you there.* > You have to have X11 installed, however.  A > You can use aterm's resource file to remap the keyboard, if you   I hmm - reading its source to refresh my memory just now, I don't see that. K It has a handful of pertinent resources such as backspace/delete selection, C but nothing that could be regarded as able to "remap" the keyboard.   E > Of course, you should also be able to use X resources to just remap I > xterm's keys as needed, but aterm somehow looks nicer and is probably a  > lot slimmer, too.   B out-of-the-box, xterm has a workable set of keys to emulate vt220.D (though putting PF1-PF4 on F1-F4 isn't what people expect - they can& of course remap those with resources).  4 xterm supports ANSI color, VT220 emulation and UTF-8 There's an faq at 1 	http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html " 	ftp://invisible-island.net/xterm/   --   Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net  ftp://invisible-island.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:13:57 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: What is holding up linux on wall street? 3 Message-ID: <FcR0f.13898$_P7.3818@news.cpqcorp.net>    Al Dykes wrote: A > OpenVMS is, as I understand it, the standard for stock exchange F > trading floor systems.  The first full SEC-sanctioned stock exchangeA > to open in 27 years opened about 4 years ago (The International J > Securities Exchange, NY) and the floor system was a Scandanavian package > running on OpenVMS.    OMX, from Sweden.   B > HP did a benchmark for them recently that demonstrated 1 million
 > quotes/sec.    Yep.  > > At least some of the backend systems were Oracle on Windows.  G While there are some Windows boxes in less-critical roles (but I don't  E recall any with Oracle Server), the back-end is built around OpenVMS  G systems including an OpenVMS multi-site disaster-tolerant cluster with   Oracle Rdb as the database.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:00:07 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? 0 Message-ID: <11k6qj985sv9fdf@corp.supernews.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:D > and that is exactly why long time vms users like us may have to go< > to sun or IBM because we have multiple 2-10 user workgroup@ > environments where 1P is needed at a cost that was promised usD > when alpha was dropped!  And by limiting yourself to the high end,? > how will you ever grow vms?  VMS flourished by selling to the ? > middle and low end also ... PDP11 minicomputers ran the first B > small accounting office I worked in along with many others along< > with real time manufacturing and VAX/VMS extended that ...: > now you have renigged on your cheap 1P itanium boxes you; > promised as part of the reasoning alpha was being dumped!  >  >   4 You're bitching at the wrong people.  Go find Curly.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2005 08:05:21 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?3 Message-ID: <KnANRJtsA2gG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <scw0f.13762$y07.3089@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  >   JavaM >   and J2EE, NetBeans and such are rather more portable, and various options D >   are available in this space for OpenVMS and for other platforms.  E    I wonder if we'll see the Google additions to Java (just announced B    cooperation between Sun and Google) on some future JRE for VMS?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 13:21:16 GMT ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) : Subject: RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?< Message-ID: <grQ0f.709$R62.322@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  Y In article <scw0f.13762$y07.3089@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  >   JavaM >   and J2EE, NetBeans and such are rather more portable, and various options D >   are available in this space for OpenVMS and for other platforms.  E    I wonder if we'll see the Google additions to Java (just announced B    cooperation between Sun and Google) on some future JRE for VMS?   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.556 ************************