1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 07 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 560       Contents: Re: "Get off the Itanic" Re: "Get off the Itanic" Re: "Get off the Itanic"2 Re: BZIP2 (1.0.3) v. VMS -- yet another adaptation2 Re: BZIP2 (1.0.3) v. VMS -- yet another adaptation Re: can't dismount ? Re: can't dismount ? Re: can't dismount ? Re: can't dismount ? Re: can't dismount ? Re: can't dismount ?1 Re: easy way to convert PCL to postscript on vms? 1 Re: easy way to convert PCL to postscript on vms? 1 Re: easy way to convert PCL to postscript on vms? & Re: How long for a shadow copy over CI& Re: How long for a shadow copy over CI Re: HP's strategy explained :  Re: HP's strategy explained : ) Re: Missed opportunity for VMS marketing.  Re: Multiple X servers?  Re: Multiple X servers?  Re: Multiple X servers?  Re: Multiple X servers?  Re: Multiple X servers?  Re: Multiple X servers?  Re: Multiple X servers?  new MySQL and Python kits > Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1> Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1> Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1> Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1> Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1> Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1> Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1> Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1> Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1" Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ?" Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ?" Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ?" Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha" Re: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha" Re: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha" Re: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha" Re: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 08:17:24 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: "Get off the Itanic" 3 Message-ID: <u$TVhlhG5O0C@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <Xpa1f.799$R62.456@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   / >  Do you really think there is any substantial 8 > difference between a Chevy Cavalier and a Ford Taurus?  G    I think there's a lot more difference between a Chevy Cavalier and a A    Ford Taurus than there is between a Chevy Cavalier and a Chevy 
    Cobalt.  G    Between GM, Ford, Daimler-Chrysler, Toyota, ... I've seen amaizingly 6    large differences in how to solve the same problem.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 13:43:17 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: "Get off the Itanic" + Message-ID: <3qncbkFfu1nmU1@individual.net>   3 In article <u$TVhlhG5O0C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:i > In article <Xpa1f.799$R62.456@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > 0 >>  Do you really think there is any substantial9 >> difference between a Chevy Cavalier and a Ford Taurus?  > I >    I think there's a lot more difference between a Chevy Cavalier and a C >    Ford Taurus than there is between a Chevy Cavalier and a Chevy  >    Cobalt. > I >    Between GM, Ford, Daimler-Chrysler, Toyota, ... I've seen amaizingly 8 >    large differences in how to solve the same problem.  E If course there are, but I was trying to pick competing products. You . know, like Solaris, HPUX, Tru64 and yes, VMS.   E You'll note my example didn't compare the Chevy to a Mercedes either. H I have never seen Mercedes include "crash survivability" in any of theirI commercials.  I have never seen a Hummer commercial that involved running G one into a wall, like Toyota does.  Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, B etc.  all run similar commercials touting their product over theirH competitors.  They all can't be the #1 they claim.  Is it FUD? Probably.E But that's marketing.  Calling SUN's ads FUD is meaningless.  What HP E needs to do is respond in kind.  Have equivalent ads playing up their H strengths and SUN's weaknesses.  Let me know when you see their responseF published somehwere other than 16 layers deep on a webpage no one will ever visit.    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:21:38 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)! Subject: Re: "Get off the Itanic" < Message-ID: <Svv1f.878$R62.799@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  3 In article <u$TVhlhG5O0C@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:i > In article <Xpa1f.799$R62.456@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > 0 >>  Do you really think there is any substantial9 >> difference between a Chevy Cavalier and a Ford Taurus?  > I >    I think there's a lot more difference between a Chevy Cavalier and a C >    Ford Taurus than there is between a Chevy Cavalier and a Chevy  >    Cobalt. > I >    Between GM, Ford, Daimler-Chrysler, Toyota, ... I've seen amaizingly 8 >    large differences in how to solve the same problem.  E If course there are, but I was trying to pick competing products. You . know, like Solaris, HPUX, Tru64 and yes, VMS.   E You'll note my example didn't compare the Chevy to a Mercedes either. H I have never seen Mercedes include "crash survivability" in any of theirI commercials.  I have never seen a Hummer commercial that involved running G one into a wall, like Toyota does.  Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, B etc.  all run similar commercials touting their product over theirH competitors.  They all can't be the #1 they claim.  Is it FUD? Probably.E But that's marketing.  Calling SUN's ads FUD is meaningless.  What HP E needs to do is respond in kind.  Have equivalent ads playing up their H strengths and SUN's weaknesses.  Let me know when you see their responseF published somehwere other than 16 layers deep on a webpage no one will ever visit.    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:26:18 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>; Subject: Re: BZIP2 (1.0.3) v. VMS -- yet another adaptation 4 Message-ID: <usw1f.14132$ao1.13088@news.cpqcorp.net>  6 I believe there is a bzip2 in the GNV package as well.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:21:42 GMT * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda); Subject: Re: BZIP2 (1.0.3) v. VMS -- yet another adaptation < Message-ID: <qgx1f.890$R62.250@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>  8 > I believe there is a bzip2 in the GNV package as well.  =    I believe so, too (although I haven't installed GNV yet).  C "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/opensource/gnvreadme_first.html" agrees.   E    Though it's not the only change, I believe that the I/O speed gain C from the automatic non-default RMS parameter setting in mine is its = principal advantage.  I assume that a manual "SET RMS_DEFAULT D /BLOCK_COUNT = 127 /BUFFER_COUNT = 2 /EXTEND_QUANTITY = 16384" would have the same effect.   B    I just had so much fun adding this access callback stuff to theE Info-ZIP programs, that I can't resist adding it to nearly everything 
 else I touch.   G    Some folks might find the DCL wildcards handy.  (The comments in the G original code say that this was easy, but it clearly was never tested.)   F    Besides, _someone_ has to test the C compiler on the IA64 TestDrive system.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:58:13 +0100 0 From: Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> Subject: Re: can't dismount ? 4 Message-ID: <di59ql$7uc$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > M > Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote on 10/06/2005 11:52:07 AM:  >  >  >>$ dism disk$www 2 >>%DISM-W-CANNOTDMT, DISK$WWW cannot be dismounted1 >>%DISM-W-INSTIMAGE, 7 images installed on volume  >>+ >>This (ODS2) disk used to hold osu_server. 8 >>I've deleted (& uninstalled) all the installed images.. >>$ sho dev/fil shows nothing (except indexf).. >>$ ins lis/fu/glo shows nothing on this disk.+ >>There are no printers or spooled devices.  >>1 >>How can I find/clear these 'installed images' ?  >>Alpha VMS 7.3-1  >> > & > FWIW, does INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL help?  " No - a strict subset of lis/fu/glo  . > and does DISMOUNT/ABORT work (probably not).  F Haven't tried it - my experience is that it puts the disk effectively A beyond use until you solve the problem, usually necessitating an   emergency reboot.   3 This is not a cluster, and there is no quorum disk.  And I don't have a DKA0 ;)   Thanks Chris    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:51:28 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: can't dismount ? Q Message-ID: <OFD47EA4B2.4AD139F6-ON85257093.0056FD0B-85257093.00571C14@metso.com>   K Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote on 10/07/2005 03:58:13 AM:    > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > > K > > Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote on 10/06/2005 11:52:07  AM:  > >  > >  > >>$ dism disk$www 4 > >>%DISM-W-CANNOTDMT, DISK$WWW cannot be dismounted3 > >>%DISM-W-INSTIMAGE, 7 images installed on volume  > >>- > >>This (ODS2) disk used to hold osu_server. : > >>I've deleted (& uninstalled) all the installed images.0 > >>$ sho dev/fil shows nothing (except indexf).0 > >>$ ins lis/fu/glo shows nothing on this disk.- > >>There are no printers or spooled devices.  > >>3 > >>How can I find/clear these 'installed images' ?  > >>Alpha VMS 7.3-1  > >> > > ( > > FWIW, does INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL help? > $ > No - a strict subset of lis/fu/glo > 0 > > and does DISMOUNT/ABORT work (probably not). > G > Haven't tried it - my experience is that it puts the disk effectively B > beyond use until you solve the problem, usually necessitating an > emergency reboot.  >   3 I agree.  I've been there and declined the t-shirt.   5 > This is not a cluster, and there is no quorum disk.  > And I don't have a DKA0 ;) >  > Thanks > Chris - Can someone walk him through SDA on this one?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:07:20 -0400, From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com> Subject: Re: can't dismount ? 9 Message-ID: <1128701397_119301@spool6-east.superfeed.net>   J Sorry, in one of the messages I saw DKA0) and cluster in the text. I guess& that was someone else with an example.   So,    $ Show device/files says what?    = "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message . news:di59ql$7uc$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk... > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > > K > > Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote on 10/06/2005 11:52:07  AM:  > >  > >  > >>$ dism disk$www 4 > >>%DISM-W-CANNOTDMT, DISK$WWW cannot be dismounted3 > >>%DISM-W-INSTIMAGE, 7 images installed on volume  > >>- > >>This (ODS2) disk used to hold osu_server. : > >>I've deleted (& uninstalled) all the installed images.0 > >>$ sho dev/fil shows nothing (except indexf).0 > >>$ ins lis/fu/glo shows nothing on this disk.- > >>There are no printers or spooled devices.  > >>3 > >>How can I find/clear these 'installed images' ?  > >>Alpha VMS 7.3-1  > >> > > ( > > FWIW, does INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL help? > $ > No - a strict subset of lis/fu/glo > 0 > > and does DISMOUNT/ABORT work (probably not). > G > Haven't tried it - my experience is that it puts the disk effectively B > beyond use until you solve the problem, usually necessitating an > emergency reboot.  > 5 > This is not a cluster, and there is no quorum disk.  > And I don't have a DKA0 ;) >  > Thanks > Chris       O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:21:45 GMT , From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com> Subject: Re: can't dismount ? < Message-ID: <tgx1f.891$R62.420@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  J Sorry, in one of the messages I saw DKA0) and cluster in the text. I guess& that was someone else with an example.   So,    $ Show device/files says what?    = "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote in message . news:di59ql$7uc$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk... > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > > K > > Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote on 10/06/2005 11:52:07  AM:  > >  > >  > >>$ dism disk$www 4 > >>%DISM-W-CANNOTDMT, DISK$WWW cannot be dismounted3 > >>%DISM-W-INSTIMAGE, 7 images installed on volume  > >>- > >>This (ODS2) disk used to hold osu_server. : > >>I've deleted (& uninstalled) all the installed images.0 > >>$ sho dev/fil shows nothing (except indexf).0 > >>$ ins lis/fu/glo shows nothing on this disk.- > >>There are no printers or spooled devices.  > >>3 > >>How can I find/clear these 'installed images' ?  > >>Alpha VMS 7.3-1  > >> > > ( > > FWIW, does INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL help? > $ > No - a strict subset of lis/fu/glo > 0 > > and does DISMOUNT/ABORT work (probably not). > G > Haven't tried it - my experience is that it puts the disk effectively B > beyond use until you solve the problem, usually necessitating an > emergency reboot.  > 5 > This is not a cluster, and there is no quorum disk.  > And I don't have a DKA0 ;) >  > Thanks > Chris       O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 16:22:00 GMT  From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: can't dismount ? < Message-ID: <Igx1f.892$R62.113@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  K Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote on 10/07/2005 03:58:13 AM:    > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:  > > K > > Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote on 10/06/2005 11:52:07  AM:  > >  > >  > >>$ dism disk$www 4 > >>%DISM-W-CANNOTDMT, DISK$WWW cannot be dismounted3 > >>%DISM-W-INSTIMAGE, 7 images installed on volume  > >>- > >>This (ODS2) disk used to hold osu_server. : > >>I've deleted (& uninstalled) all the installed images.0 > >>$ sho dev/fil shows nothing (except indexf).0 > >>$ ins lis/fu/glo shows nothing on this disk.- > >>There are no printers or spooled devices.  > >>3 > >>How can I find/clear these 'installed images' ?  > >>Alpha VMS 7.3-1  > >> > > ( > > FWIW, does INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL help? > $ > No - a strict subset of lis/fu/glo > 0 > > and does DISMOUNT/ABORT work (probably not). > G > Haven't tried it - my experience is that it puts the disk effectively B > beyond use until you solve the problem, usually necessitating an > emergency reboot.  >   3 I agree.  I've been there and declined the t-shirt.   5 > This is not a cluster, and there is no quorum disk.  > And I don't have a DKA0 ;) >  > Thanks > Chris - Can someone walk him through SDA on this one?    ------------------------------   Date: 7 OCT 2005 10:22:26 GMT 4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: can't dismount ? 5 Message-ID: <7OCT05.10222651@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>   H In a previous article, Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote:   ->>>$ dism disk$www 4 ->>>%DISM-W-CANNOTDMT, DISK$WWW cannot be dismounted3 ->>>%DISM-W-INSTIMAGE, 7 images installed on volume   E Perhaps some processes are still active and preventing the files from K being un-installed. To tell if there are processes that still have channels  open to the disk in question:   
 $ anal/sys .  SDA> set out sda.lis SDA> sho proc/chan all	 SDA> exit   H The search for the the process names OR physical disk name that disk$www% translates to. Say it's dka101, then:    $ sea  sda.lis "Name: ",dka101:   D That will list all the process names (twice) but those with channelsI open to the disk will have additional lines (highlighted) just below them 
 like this:   ..D Process index: 0011   Name: AUDIT_SERVER      Extended PID: 20A00211D Process index: 0012   Name: JOB_CONTROL       Extended PID: 20A00212L   0050  7FF3E080  815DCF00      $1$DGA11:[SITE$ROOT.SYSEXE]QMAN$MASTER.DAT;2 ..   --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison @ --            karcher.donteventhinkofspamming@waisman.wisc.edu     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:34:28 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>: Subject: Re: easy way to convert PCL to postscript on vms?& Message-ID: <434624ff$1@news1.ethz.ch>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > any ideas?  I Converting code? When I was doing that (like 6 years ago?) there were no  I tools available, but doing it by hand wasn't a difficult job (and it was  H a complete library). Most of the primitives are equivalent but a bit of / coding and trial-and-error was still necessary.   E ...or you mean maybe converting some files? DECprint Services (DCPS)   might help there.    S    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 09:32:32 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: easy way to convert PCL to postscript on vms?* Message-ID: <434640b0@news.langstoeger.at>  ^ In article <1128632656.033796.81210@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: >any ideas?   * DCPS (done via SYS$SHARE:TRN$PCL_PS.EXE) ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:21:23 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: easy way to convert PCL to postscript on vms?< Message-ID: <7eq1f.855$R62.640@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  ^ In article <1128632656.033796.81210@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: >any ideas?   * DCPS (done via SYS$SHARE:TRN$PCL_PS.EXE) ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 07:06:36 -0700 ' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> / Subject: Re: How long for a shadow copy over CI C Message-ID: <1128693996.566326.222300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F > That said, how do you feel about "unsupported" tricks? It's possibleJ > (recommendable is another question) to mirror within an array (HSx pair)J > and control that from the host, though the methods of communicating withJ > the controller pair are unsupported anymore, though they still work to a > fair degree.    G If this means putting both members of the shadow set on the same set of E controllers, no.  We need the applications to keep running even if we A lose both of the controllers serviceing one of the members of the  shadow set.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:21:27 GMT ' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> / Subject: Re: How long for a shadow copy over CI < Message-ID: <Hvv1f.875$R62.395@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  F > That said, how do you feel about "unsupported" tricks? It's possibleJ > (recommendable is another question) to mirror within an array (HSx pair)J > and control that from the host, though the methods of communicating withJ > the controller pair are unsupported anymore, though they still work to a > fair degree.    G If this means putting both members of the shadow set on the same set of E controllers, no.  We need the applications to keep running even if we A lose both of the controllers serviceing one of the members of the  shadow set.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:23:59 GMT  From: kashe@sonic.net & Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :8 Message-ID: <925ck1te8e6j3fpikbu9ggphmi27tlolna@4ax.com>  4 On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:21:38 -0500, David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   >Rich wrote: >>   >>  1.  Cut jobs.  >> 2.  Save money. >> 3.  Shore up stock price. >  >4. Go out of business  = 	But not before bestowing platinum parachutes on the brigands  at the top.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:21:05 GMT  From: kashe@sonic.net & Subject: Re: HP's strategy explained :< Message-ID: <Blp1f.851$R62.103@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  4 On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:21:38 -0500, David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   >Rich wrote: >>   >>  1.  Cut jobs.  >> 2.  Save money. >> 3.  Shore up stock price. >  >4. Go out of business  = 	But not before bestowing platinum parachutes on the brigands  at the top.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:33:27 +0000 (UTC)( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)2 Subject: Re: Missed opportunity for VMS marketing.5 Message-ID: <di5itn$sjc$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   5 In article <4345D2C6.584A8828@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: D > Had VMS management gone to hollywood and offered to pay to get VMS7 > exposure in that show, they would have considered it.   6 And what should a potential customer buy next monday ? A dead end alpha box ?@ A dead end (at least according to some people here) itanic box ?# A not (yet?) existing VMS/x86 box ? D Advertising only makes sense if you actually have something to sell.3 Maybe HP know they have nothing reasonable to sell,  so why advertise ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:42:20 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>   Subject: Re: Multiple X servers?8 Message-ID: <i3eck1h7pklifg8dbq76bq973mml4a61u3@4ax.com>  B On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:39:50 GMT, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote:   >Hi Joe Sewell > C >What is the model number of the 5-port belkin PCI USB card you are D >using on your DS10?  Do any of the other single or dual port boards >work? > B >What devices do they appear as under VMS and what version are you >using?  >  >I am using a DS10L.   >  >Thanks  >  >Stuart  >   M OH*0 are the USB ports. When you plug in & configure a device the device name N depends on the device type e.g. KBD0 is a keyboard, MOU0 is a mouse, DNA0 is a; mass storage device & AGA0 is a joystick or steering wheel.   L Take a look at UCM the Universal Serial Bus Configuration Manager. It's been0 there since at least 7.3-2 Documentation is hereE http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6048/6048pro_079.html#ucm_intro    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:21:18 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>   Subject: Re: Multiple X servers?< Message-ID: <i6r1f.856$R62.114@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  B On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:39:50 GMT, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote:   >Hi Joe Sewell > C >What is the model number of the 5-port belkin PCI USB card you are D >using on your DS10?  Do any of the other single or dual port boards >work? > B >What devices do they appear as under VMS and what version are you >using?  >  >I am using a DS10L.   >  >Thanks  >  >Stuart  >   M OH*0 are the USB ports. When you plug in & configure a device the device name N depends on the device type e.g. KBD0 is a keyboard, MOU0 is a mouse, DNA0 is a; mass storage device & AGA0 is a joystick or steering wheel.   L Take a look at UCM the Universal Serial Bus Configuration Manager. It's been0 there since at least 7.3-2 Documentation is hereE http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6048/6048pro_079.html#ucm_intro    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:51:15 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>   Subject: Re: Multiple X servers?8 Message-ID: <r3mck157doqcbbg6ji63eqkkgjn7ane3n5@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:33:51 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  a >In article <i6r1f.856$R62.114@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: D >>On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:39:50 GMT, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: >> >>>Hi Joe Sewell >>> E >>>What is the model number of the 5-port belkin PCI USB card you are F >>>using on your DS10?  Do any of the other single or dual port boards >>>work? >>> D >>>What devices do they appear as under VMS and what version are you	 >>>using?  >>>  >>>I am using a DS10L.   >>> 	 >>>Thanks  >>> 	 >>>Stuart  >>>  >>O >>OH*0 are the USB ports. When you plug in & configure a device the device name P >>depends on the device type e.g. KBD0 is a keyboard, MOU0 is a mouse, DNA0 is a= >>mass storage device & AGA0 is a joystick or steering wheel.  >>N >>Take a look at UCM the Universal Serial Bus Configuration Manager. It's been2 >>there since at least 7.3-2 Documentation is hereG >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6048/6048pro_079.html#ucm_intro  >>C >Interesting. Does this support USB 2.0 or just the older USB 1.1 ?  > E >Also are there any USB wireless cards supported ie with VMS drivers  * >- Preferably with WPA supplicant support.  . USB 1.1 only. No USB wireless cards supported.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 12:21:24 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>   Subject: Re: Multiple X servers?: Message-ID: <8Lt1f.868$R62.0@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  H On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:33:51 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  a >In article <i6r1f.856$R62.114@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: D >>On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:39:50 GMT, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: >> >>>Hi Joe Sewell >>> E >>>What is the model number of the 5-port belkin PCI USB card you are F >>>using on your DS10?  Do any of the other single or dual port boards >>>work? >>> D >>>What devices do they appear as under VMS and what version are you	 >>>using?  >>>  >>>I am using a DS10L.   >>> 	 >>>Thanks  >>> 	 >>>Stuart  >>>  >>O >>OH*0 are the USB ports. When you plug in & configure a device the device name P >>depends on the device type e.g. KBD0 is a keyboard, MOU0 is a mouse, DNA0 is a= >>mass storage device & AGA0 is a joystick or steering wheel.  >>N >>Take a look at UCM the Universal Serial Bus Configuration Manager. It's been2 >>there since at least 7.3-2 Documentation is hereG >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6048/6048pro_079.html#ucm_intro  >>C >Interesting. Does this support USB 2.0 or just the older USB 1.1 ?  > E >Also are there any USB wireless cards supported ie with VMS drivers  * >- Preferably with WPA supplicant support.  . USB 1.1 only. No USB wireless cards supported.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:28:11 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>  Subject: Re: Multiple X servers?3 Message-ID: <LJu1f.14124$im1.4994@news.cpqcorp.net>   . "Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message2 news:i3eck1h7pklifg8dbq76bq973mml4a61u3@4ax.com...D > On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:39:50 GMT, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: >  > >Hi Joe Sewell > > E > >What is the model number of the 5-port belkin PCI USB card you are F > >using on your DS10?  Do any of the other single or dual port boards > >work? > > D > >What devices do they appear as under VMS and what version are you	 > >using?  > >  > >I am using a DS10L. > > 	 > >Thanks  > > 	 > >Stuart  > >  > J > OH*0 are the USB ports. When you plug in & configure a device the device nameK > depends on the device type e.g. KBD0 is a keyboard, MOU0 is a mouse, DNA0  is a= > mass storage device & AGA0 is a joystick or steering wheel.  > I > Take a look at UCM the Universal Serial Bus Configuration Manager. It's  been2 > there since at least 7.3-2 Documentation is hereG > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6048/6048pro_079.html#ucm_intro  >   H I posted a link to the Walmart site a while week ago or so on the BelkinF 5-port USB PCI adapter (I believe the part number is F5U220).  The keyI is that this has a compatable NEC controller with one of the VMS drivers.   C If you do not see any OH* devices, use ANAL CLUE CONFIG to find the = unconfigured device.  Then edit SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT to add an 1 appropriate record.  It will look something like:   " device = "NEC OHCI USB controller"	 name = OH  driver = SYS$OHCIDRIVER 
 adapter = PCI  id = 0x523710B9 
 end_device   or  " device = "NEC OHCI USB controller"	 name = OH  driver = SYS$OHCIDRIVER 
 adapter = PCI  id = 0x00351003 
 end_device  B Then use the SYSMAN IO REBUILD command to reload the configuration0 database, and SYSMAN IO AUTO to load the driver.  ; Once you have an OH device, the USB configuration code will C work at system startup, but at this point you probably will have to ; run the USB$STARTUP.COM file since this is only done in the * startup path when an OH device is present.  : The current UCM command requires you to manually configure4 devices that are plugged in.  This is done using the4 UCM SHOW DEVICE/UNCONF command to show the potential9 devices, and the UCM ADD DEVICE <ddcu> command to add it. B Then you hot-plug the device to get VMS to create it - after this,: the device will always be configured when plugged in (some> devices need to always be plugged into the same place for this@ to work - see the documentation - it is in the System Management Utilities Manual).  ; In V8.3 I have made some major changes to UCM.  You will no @ longer need to do the ADD DEVICE - devices will be automatically@ detected, configured and loaded.  There are commands to turn offB the auto-loading, as well as exclude/include specific devices from
 this process.   = So, on V7.3-2, plugging in a second KB and Mouse will get you ? two unconfigured devices - they will be KBD1 and MOU1 (if there @ are multiple USB devices).  The first KB and Mouse will *always*@ be configured automatically - even on V7.3-2 - as KBD0 and MOU0.  B In V8.3, we will be adding 2 new serial port/multiplexer devices -; the DIGI/EDGEPORT and the FTDI 232AM/232BM - in addition to @ the existing PROLIFIC serial driver.  We also will be shipping a: joystick driver (device AG) along with some same code thatA implements a fairly complete library interface for joysticks.  We > have done a lot of work on disk/mass storage devices (but odds8 are you will need to add SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT records forB things you randomly plug in).  Forrest has also provided a generic< driver for non-HID (human interface) devices called UGDRIVER@ that will allow user-written support for USB devices (along with8 some example code).  Eventually, we will probably spin a9 generic HID driver (it's a bit more complex to do right).    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:45:17 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk  Subject: Re: Multiple X servers?) Message-ID: <di5u5d$hi6$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   \ In article <r3mck157doqcbbg6ji63eqkkgjn7ane3n5@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:I >On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:33:51 +0000 (UTC), david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > b >>In article <i6r1f.856$R62.114@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:E >>>On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:39:50 GMT, stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote:  >>>  >>>>Hi Joe Sewell  >>>>F >>>>What is the model number of the 5-port belkin PCI USB card you areG >>>>using on your DS10?  Do any of the other single or dual port boards 	 >>>>work?  >>>>E >>>>What devices do they appear as under VMS and what version are you 
 >>>>using? >>>> >>>>I am using a DS10L.    >>>>
 >>>>Thanks >>>>
 >>>>Stuart >>>> >>> P >>>OH*0 are the USB ports. When you plug in & configure a device the device nameQ >>>depends on the device type e.g. KBD0 is a keyboard, MOU0 is a mouse, DNA0 is a > >>>mass storage device & AGA0 is a joystick or steering wheel. >>> O >>>Take a look at UCM the Universal Serial Bus Configuration Manager. It's been 3 >>>there since at least 7.3-2 Documentation is here H >>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6048/6048pro_079.html#ucm_intro >>> D >>Interesting. Does this support USB 2.0 or just the older USB 1.1 ? >>F >>Also are there any USB wireless cards supported ie with VMS drivers + >>- Preferably with WPA supplicant support.  > / >USB 1.1 only. No USB wireless cards supported.  >   & That's to say the least disappointing.   Thanks    
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >-- 
 >Nigel Barker   >Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 17:05:50 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: Multiple X servers?, Message-ID: <4346aaee$1@news.langstoeger.at>  \ In article <r3mck157doqcbbg6ji63eqkkgjn7ane3n5@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:/ >USB 1.1 only. No USB wireless cards supported.   % And do you know of unsupported ones ?    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:21:54 +0200 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= " Subject: new MySQL and Python kits7 Message-ID: <4346a0ad$0$27420$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>   7 MySQL 4.1.14 is now available for OpenVMS AXP and IA64.   4 This kit no longer required OPENSSL to be installed.  F Instead the various mysql images are statically linked against OpenSSL 0.97E.    A A new Python 2.3.5 kit is now available for OpenVMS AXP and IA64.   F It include some bugfix and a high level class to access indexed files.  4 This kit no longer required OPENSSL to be installed.  G Instead the python shareable image is statically linked against OpenSSL  0.97E.  : Download from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/kits/  
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 08:21:33 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 3 Message-ID: <+m4Vuw2iwTIm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A4ADE6.B7583ACF@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  > O > Until the Itanium fizzles and then we're faced with doing this all over again 6 > for yet another new be-all end-all of architectures.  D    In which case #indef __VAX should still be true and hopefully VMSH    Engineering will continue to follow lessons learned and not split the    source pool.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 08:20:20 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 3 Message-ID: <2lMBDglmI76a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <Hge1f.629$h6.187820@news.siol.net>, "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@siol.net> writes: > H > As this are OpenVMS specific changes on common sources, this will haveN > inpact on other platforms, so I don't think that this will suffice. If I canL > define, that I'm on OpenVMS (I'm sure that I can), then #ifndef __VAX willJ > work ok). I'll look at it in following days (as I say, my C knowledge is > very much 0).  >   & #if defined(__VMS) && ! defined(__VAX)      non-VAXen stuff   #else       VAXen stuff   #endif   or   #ifdef __VMS    #ifndef __VAX         non-VAXen stuff       #else         VAXen stuff 	    #endif  #endif      A    Yes, you can indent preprocessor lines if you're using ANSI C.    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:51:24 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 2 Message-ID: <05100708512457_20200274@antinode.org>  ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)    > #ifdef __VMS >    #ifndef __VAX >  >       non-VAXen stuff  > 
 >    #else >  >       VAXen stuff  >    #endif  > #endif > C >    Yes, you can indent preprocessor lines if you're using ANSI C.   E    More compilers (preprocessors) are happier if you don't indent the  "#", as in:    #ifdef __VMS #   ifndef __VAX         non-VAXen stuff    #   else         VAXen stuff 	 #   endif  #endif  D But I can't say just how far back you need to go to get into trouble? your way.  Perhaps VAX C.  (Do I spend too much time working on 
 antiques?)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:21:23 GMT * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 < Message-ID: <Dvv1f.874$R62.760@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)    > #ifdef __VMS >    #ifndef __VAX >  >       non-VAXen stuff  > 
 >    #else >  >       VAXen stuff  >    #endif  > #endif > C >    Yes, you can indent preprocessor lines if you're using ANSI C.   E    More compilers (preprocessors) are happier if you don't indent the  "#", as in:    #ifdef __VMS #   ifndef __VAX         non-VAXen stuff    #   else         VAXen stuff 	 #   endif  #endif  D But I can't say just how far back you need to go to get into trouble? your way.  Perhaps VAX C.  (Do I spend too much time working on 
 antiques?)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:21:31 GMT ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 < Message-ID: <Lvv1f.876$R62.267@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  ` In article <Hge1f.629$h6.187820@news.siol.net>, "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@siol.net> writes: > H > As this are OpenVMS specific changes on common sources, this will haveN > inpact on other platforms, so I don't think that this will suffice. If I canL > define, that I'm on OpenVMS (I'm sure that I can), then #ifndef __VAX willJ > work ok). I'll look at it in following days (as I say, my C knowledge is > very much 0).  >   & #if defined(__VMS) && ! defined(__VAX)      non-VAXen stuff   #else       VAXen stuff   #endif   or   #ifdef __VMS    #ifndef __VAX         non-VAXen stuff       #else         VAXen stuff 	    #endif  #endif      A    Yes, you can indent preprocessor lines if you're using ANSI C.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:35:54 +0200. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@siol.net>G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 / Message-ID: <uBw1f.662$h6.191952@news.siol.net>   H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:2lMBDglmI76a@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > >  > ( > #if defined(__VMS) && ! defined(__VAX) >  >    non-VAXen stuff >  > #else  >  >    VAXen stuff >  > #endif >  > or >  > #ifdef __VMS >    #ifndef __VAX >  >       non-VAXen stuff  > 
 >    #else >  >       VAXen stuff  >    #endif  > #endif >   J Thanks very much. I'll also try compile this on my mvaxes so if it will beJ successful, I can provide itanium, alpha and vax images for any interested party.   Best, Gorazd   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:19:09 GMT 7 From: John Malmberg <malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp> G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 4 Message-ID: <h6y1f.14145$Hr1.12273@news.cpqcorp.net>   Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > L > Thanks very much. I'll also try compile this on my mvaxes so if it will beL > successful, I can provide itanium, alpha and vax images for any interested > party.  G For I64, I would recommend that you start with the SAMBA 2.2.12 source  5 at:  http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~malmberg/samba/   H It not only has the #ifndef __VAX in the right places, it also will use   some of the new features in 8.2.  D And then apply the changes from the latest Samba 2.2.8 from the JYC G Samba distribution.  The hard part will be identifying all of them.  I  0 am too busy to do that at the moment to do that.  I If you are going to work with the older SAMBA, 2.2.12 is where that UNIX  C version froze the 2.2.x stream, and there really are not that many  ! differences from 2.2.8 to 2.2.12.   B I had to remove the SAMBA 2.2.12 source for a while because I got E mail-bombed out of disk quota by servers that were bouncing the last  8 SOBER viruses back to one of my forged e-mail addresses.  G Fortunately only about 8 mail servers were configured to be so abusive.   I Two of them were generating bounces for non-existent users at rate of 20   per second each.  9 I just could not delete the e-mail coming in fast enough.   I Please direct all SAMBA questions to the samba-vms mailing list or gmane  B newsgroup gmane.network.samba.vms.  Instructions are available at  http://www.samba.org.   I It is likely that you will get a faster answers about the 2.2.x releases   there.   -John ! malmberg@dskwld.zko.dec.compaq.hp  wb8tyw@qsl.net Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 12:57:01 -0500 / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 - Message-ID: <3di6boWJ2zhP@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: $ > VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>  P >> Until the Itanium fizzles and then we're faced with doing this all over again7 >> for yet another new be-all end-all of architectures.  > F >    In which case #indef __VAX should still be true and hopefully VMSJ >    Engineering will continue to follow lessons learned and not split the >    source pool.   # What lesson should we have learned?    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 12:22:33 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: Samba 2.2-8 build 20050817 ported to Itanium OpenVMS 8.2-1 3 Message-ID: <AVOLIAGjQFcj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <3di6boWJ2zhP@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes: ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: % >> VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  >>> Q >>> Until the Itanium fizzles and then we're faced with doing this all over again 8 >>> for yet another new be-all end-all of architectures. >>  G >>    In which case #indef __VAX should still be true and hopefully VMS K >>    Engineering will continue to follow lessons learned and not split the  >>    source pool. > % > What lesson should we have learned?   K    Every time you make a copy of something (as in VMS source for the VAX -  L    Alpha migration) you double the effort to maintain and improve it.  When D    you don't make a copy (as in the VMS source for the Alpha - IA64 @    migration) then you make incremental increases in the effort.  F    I'd hope any new architecture which VMS might support someday would?    share the Alpha - IA64 source pool instead of having its own     copy.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 08:34:28 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ? 3 Message-ID: <U1j1po1YYMMw@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <3qt1f.17857$N61.247465@wagner.videotron.net>, "ICEMAN64B" <iceman64b@yahoo.ca> writes: > Hi,  > L > I'm a VMS Hobbyist (I learn my computer skill on VMS because this is what M > school have at that time). I search a way to run VMS on a PC. I subscribed  M > to Emcompass programm and ordered the OpenVMS 7.3 Hobbyist CD. I also read  K > about the Charon-VAX emulator for the hardware trick. But the Charon-VAX  N > emulator isn't free. I also found on the website of Charon-VAX emulator the N > Freeware version runnning on Fedora Core 4 (Linux). My question is : With a M > pc running FC4, the freeware emulator for the VAX hardware and the OpenVMS  H > license from Hobbyist, is it enought to run a VMS machine or there is N > something I miss ? I only want to do little thing, some DCL command or some O > Pascal program (Is it true that I need the layered version of OpenVMS to run  A > the "application" on OpenVMS ?) In OpenVMS, is TCP/IP include ?   L    If you don't want to run Charon-VAX on FC4, you could run SIMH on almost     anything (for free).   K    OpenVMS VAX is the same, whether running on a real VAX, a Charon-VAX, or ?    SIMH.  It comes with no compilers and the TCP/IP stack isn't     installed.     N    Layered products are products that lay on top of OpenVMS.  You need to get N    the layered product licenses to run the layered products such as compilers M    and network stacks.  You can use HP's IP stack, or either of Process's IP  H    stacks under the hobbyist program.  Once you add the layered product =    licenses you need to install the desired layered products.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:21:41 GMT ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ? < Message-ID: <Vvv1f.879$R62.389@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  b In article <3qt1f.17857$N61.247465@wagner.videotron.net>, "ICEMAN64B" <iceman64b@yahoo.ca> writes: > Hi,  > L > I'm a VMS Hobbyist (I learn my computer skill on VMS because this is what M > school have at that time). I search a way to run VMS on a PC. I subscribed  M > to Emcompass programm and ordered the OpenVMS 7.3 Hobbyist CD. I also read  K > about the Charon-VAX emulator for the hardware trick. But the Charon-VAX  N > emulator isn't free. I also found on the website of Charon-VAX emulator the N > Freeware version runnning on Fedora Core 4 (Linux). My question is : With a M > pc running FC4, the freeware emulator for the VAX hardware and the OpenVMS  H > license from Hobbyist, is it enought to run a VMS machine or there is N > something I miss ? I only want to do little thing, some DCL command or some O > Pascal program (Is it true that I need the layered version of OpenVMS to run  A > the "application" on OpenVMS ?) In OpenVMS, is TCP/IP include ?   L    If you don't want to run Charon-VAX on FC4, you could run SIMH on almost     anything (for free).   K    OpenVMS VAX is the same, whether running on a real VAX, a Charon-VAX, or ?    SIMH.  It comes with no compilers and the TCP/IP stack isn't     installed.     N    Layered products are products that lay on top of OpenVMS.  You need to get N    the layered product licenses to run the layered products such as compilers M    and network stacks.  You can use HP's IP stack, or either of Process's IP  H    stacks under the hobbyist program.  Once you add the layered product =    licenses you need to install the desired layered products.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 08:13:15 -0700 * From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>+ Subject: Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ? B Message-ID: <1128697995.847286.38430@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:P >>    Layered products are products that lay on top of OpenVMS.  You need to getO >    the layered product licenses to run the layered products such as compilers N >    and network stacks.  You can use HP's IP stack, or either of Process's IPI >    stacks under the hobbyist program.  Once you add the layered product ? >    licenses you need to install the desired layered products.   F And I'll just add that the layered product licenses are available as a: hobbyist in case the original poster wasn't clear on this. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:21:15 GMT * From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>+ Subject: Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ? < Message-ID: <Lnw1f.882$R62.772@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>   Bob Koehler wrote:P >>    Layered products are products that lay on top of OpenVMS.  You need to getO >    the layered product licenses to run the layered products such as compilers N >    and network stacks.  You can use HP's IP stack, or either of Process's IPI >    stacks under the hobbyist program.  Once you add the layered product ? >    licenses you need to install the desired layered products.   F And I'll just add that the layered product licenses are available as a: hobbyist in case the original poster wasn't clear on this. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:33:56 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? 3 Message-ID: <8Pu1f.14125$n81.6614@news.cpqcorp.net>   D This just confirms that you are insane.  You would need an NDA if weH were talking about the next generation x86-32 chip, or x86-64 chip, justE as you would need one even if it was an existing chip on a new system 	 platform.   C The voices in your head are suggesting that if VMS were to run on a C PC, that VMS would arbitrarily support any hardware...  and that is  beyond even wishful thinking.   ; The NDA is needed because you would see the roadmap for the ? delivery of new systems.  To do this, you would have to be made D aware that you are being shown information that is subject to change( (like schedules, features, speeds, etc).  D This isn't Integrity server specific, this has always been the case.    : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4345EAEF.8CC73D84@teksavvy.com... > Robert Deininger wrote: J > > I can't talk about future systems that are in the works; if you have aI > > need for such information, please contact OpenVMS product management,  and  > > be prepared to sign an NDA.  >  > J > If VMS were available on the 8086, we wouldn't need to sign NDAs and getG > lawyers involved to ensure that should HP change the roadmap at will, H > we'd be compensated. Why ? Because we know that HP depends on the 8086H > for its survival and we know that it will produce a full range of 8086J > machines and would never artificially limit the 8086 into certan niches. > G > Do you ever doubt that Dell will produce servers using the latest and  > greatest 8086 technology ?. > Do you doubt that HP would not follow Dell ? > I > But for IA64, one needs NDAs to get some sort of speech telling us that J > HP will continue to make IA64 based machines in a certain range of size. >  > That says a lot.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:02:03 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? 2 Message-ID: <di5rkc$lsd$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  a "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:4345EAEF.8CC73D84@teksavvy.com...   G > Do you ever doubt that Dell will produce servers using the latest and  > greatest 8086 technology ?  ? What, and lose the big discount they get from Intel? No chance.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 03:41:08 -0700  From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au ' Subject: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha C Message-ID: <1128681668.262185.186980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi Group,   A I have just installed a wirless LAN in my aparment using 802.11g.   G My original plan was to cable my alpha to Belkin wireless base station. G  However my partner would not like my alpha in a different room, posing C a rather insteresting cabling problem in a concrete wall apartment.   E Is there any wireless options that I could connect on my alpha to get  wireless connectivity?  0 (Note I has a DS10L with the one PCI slot full.)   Thanks   Stuart   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:21:15 GMT  From: stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au ' Subject: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha < Message-ID: <LSs1f.860$R62.490@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  	 Hi Group,   A I have just installed a wirless LAN in my aparment using 802.11g.   G My original plan was to cable my alpha to Belkin wireless base station. G  However my partner would not like my alpha in a different room, posing C a rather insteresting cabling problem in a concrete wall apartment.   E Is there any wireless options that I could connect on my alpha to get  wireless connectivity?  0 (Note I has a DS10L with the one PCI slot full.)   Thanks   Stuart   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 13:16:24 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha + Message-ID: <3qnap8FfriiuU1@individual.net>   C In article <1128681668.262185.186980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, " 	stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au writes: > Hi Group,  > C > I have just installed a wirless LAN in my aparment using 802.11g.  > I > My original plan was to cable my alpha to Belkin wireless base station. I >  However my partner would not like my alpha in a different room, posing E > a rather insteresting cabling problem in a concrete wall apartment.  > G > Is there any wireless options that I could connect on my alpha to get  > wireless connectivity? > 2 > (Note I has a DS10L with the one PCI slot full.) >   F What about a wireless bridge ihooked to the ethernet port of the Alpha# pointed at the Belkin wireless box?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:21:35 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)+ Subject: Re: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha < Message-ID: <Pvv1f.877$R62.376@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  C In article <1128681668.262185.186980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, " 	stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au writes: > Hi Group,  > C > I have just installed a wirless LAN in my aparment using 802.11g.  > I > My original plan was to cable my alpha to Belkin wireless base station. I >  However my partner would not like my alpha in a different room, posing E > a rather insteresting cabling problem in a concrete wall apartment.  > G > Is there any wireless options that I could connect on my alpha to get  > wireless connectivity? > 2 > (Note I has a DS10L with the one PCI slot full.) >   F What about a wireless bridge ihooked to the ethernet port of the Alpha# pointed at the Belkin wireless box?    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2005 07:23:17 -0700  From: jordan@ccs4vms.com+ Subject: Re: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha C Message-ID: <1128694997.809535.118660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C What protocols do you need to carry?  If TCPIP only will suffice, a F number of 802.11* access points (not routers) are able to run in pointE to point bridge mode.  Many older units (before they became el-cheapo G consumer commodities) also  had that capability, some even operating as E true protocol-transparent bridges; I use a pair of old DEC Roamabouts @ with Wavelan radios (2Mbps top speed, but thats acceptable in my* configuration) in a point to point bridge.  C You could also look at the Motorola WE800G, or other similar units. E I've not used one (I'm trying to get Moto tech support to answer some B questions about them) but by the description, if TCPIP is the onlyG protocol set you need, it might suffice.  Compgeeks.com has had them on  sale on and off for weeks.  G Also, while not as easy to find these days, you could look at powerline D networking gear.  A couple of companies made units that put moderateE speed data over your home interior electrical wiring.  As long as the E two rooms you want to connect are on the same circuit (and I do think D signals will go through a fusebox to other circuits on the same main@ power feed) you can connect, though not as fast as 802.11a or g.   Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:21:12 GMT  From: jordan@ccs4vms.com+ Subject: Re: WLAN options for OpenVMS Alpha < Message-ID: <Inw1f.881$R62.666@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp>  C What protocols do you need to carry?  If TCPIP only will suffice, a F number of 802.11* access points (not routers) are able to run in pointE to point bridge mode.  Many older units (before they became el-cheapo G consumer commodities) also  had that capability, some even operating as E true protocol-transparent bridges; I use a pair of old DEC Roamabouts @ with Wavelan radios (2Mbps top speed, but thats acceptable in my* configuration) in a point to point bridge.  C You could also look at the Motorola WE800G, or other similar units. E I've not used one (I'm trying to get Moto tech support to answer some B questions about them) but by the description, if TCPIP is the onlyG protocol set you need, it might suffice.  Compgeeks.com has had them on  sale on and off for weeks.  G Also, while not as easy to find these days, you could look at powerline D networking gear.  A couple of companies made units that put moderateE speed data over your home interior electrical wiring.  As long as the E two rooms you want to connect are on the same circuit (and I do think D signals will go through a fusebox to other circuits on the same main@ power feed) you can connect, though not as fast as 802.11a or g.   Rich   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.560 ************************