1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 08 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 562       Contents: Re: can't dismount ?# Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? A Re: How UCX's POP server gets the /OPTION value from the configs? / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today 6 looking for VMS/Fortran/Rdb/OSU job in northern Europe6 looking for VMS/Fortran/Rdb/OSU job in northern Europe) Re: Missed opportunity for VMS marketing.  Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes Re: Need to Find. P Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327! Re: Resetting Compaq SANSwitch 16 % TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users  Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Time to produce EV79s!" Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 06:23:07 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: can't dismount ? - Message-ID: <87slvdarw4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> writes:   > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: A >> Chris Sharman <chris.sharman@sorry.nospam> wrote on 10/06/2005  >> 11:52:07 AM:  >> >>>$ dism disk$www3 >>>%DISM-W-CANNOTDMT, DISK$WWW cannot be dismounted 2 >>>%DISM-W-INSTIMAGE, 7 images installed on volume >>> , >>>This (ODS2) disk used to hold osu_server.9 >>>I've deleted (& uninstalled) all the installed images. / >>>$ sho dev/fil shows nothing (except indexf). / >>>$ ins lis/fu/glo shows nothing on this disk. , >>>There are no printers or spooled devices. >>> 2 >>>How can I find/clear these 'installed images' ? >>>Alpha VMS 7.3-1 >>> ' >> FWIW, does INSTALL LIST/GLOBAL help?  > $ > No - a strict subset of lis/fu/glo > / >> and does DISMOUNT/ABORT work (probably not).  > G > Haven't tried it - my experience is that it puts the disk effectively B > beyond use until you solve the problem, usually necessitating an > emergency reboot.   5 > This is not a cluster, and there is no quorum disk.  > And I don't have a DKA0 ;)  C Do you have deep directory structures? Time to get ANAL and go data F diving through the file system structures. Look for FCBs of direcoriesB with a zero reference count, yes, zero, that have not been cleared/ out. If you find them, you know who to tell! ;)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:22:11 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>, Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?< Message-ID: <n5N1f.94409$RW.28698@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Dave Froble wrote: > Alan Greig wrote:  > J > Not so.  Now there is three copies.  Better stop complaining before the $ > number of copies is up to 10.  :-)  ; I just got a reply and its bdd news I'm afraid. here it is:   
 Dear Alan,  6 Thank you for contacting @NetHome Abuse Response Team.  C We do outsource work for Cable TV Operators to provide an Internet   Service for their subscribers.  9 The IP address 211.124.166.216 you have informed to us is B not assigned for one of their subscribers.Therefore We cant't help you any further.I It will be better for you to contact someone, or e-mail address managing   IP address 211.124.166.216.   
 Best regards,    Tomohiro Hirata  Abuse Response Team, @NetHome Co., Ltd.     --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:52:51 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> , Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?8 Message-ID: <7v8fk1hjho54f13jli6fh7f9k6vp140bbm@4ax.com>  K On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 10:22:11 GMT, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote:   < >I just got a reply and its bdd news I'm afraid. here it is: >  >Dear Alan,  > 7 >Thank you for contacting @NetHome Abuse Response Team.  > D >We do outsource work for Cable TV Operators to provide an Internet  >Service for their subscribers.  > : >The IP address 211.124.166.216 you have informed to us isC >not assigned for one of their subscribers.Therefore We cant't help  >you any further. J >It will be better for you to contact someone, or e-mail address managing  >IP address 211.124.166.216.  H I've reported this too.  The headers looked fairly genuine, so it didn'tK occur to me that the IP address was not in the home.ne.jp domain.  It isn't L (as they report) - it belongs to zaq.ne.jp.  They don't exactly have much inI English on their main web-site, but I guess a mail to abuse@zaq.ne.jp may  achieve something.  I However, home.ne.jp are not exactly uninvolved.  It looks very much as if K their news server was used to post these duplicates.  It's either wide open I or they are providing services to zaq.ne.jp.  Either way, they could look - into this, or at least pass the complaint on.   ! Typical "service desk" mentality.    --  + Our other starship separates into 2 pieces!    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:55:13 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>, Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?; Message-ID: <RkP1f.94795$RW.4143@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    John Laird wrote:   K > However, home.ne.jp are not exactly uninvolved.  It looks very much as if M > their news server was used to post these duplicates.  It's either wide open K > or they are providing services to zaq.ne.jp.  Either way, they could look / > into this, or at least pass the complaint on.  > # > Typical "service desk" mentality.   G There is a web server and an smtp server running on 211.124.166.216. I  F get a blank page fromn the web server but a message to postmaster via @ the smtp server might get results. I suggest several of us try. E Postmaster@[211.124.166.216] didn't bounce at least. You need the []  $ brackets for a numeric address iirc.     --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 13:25:05 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?+ Message-ID: <3qpvlhFg408nU2@individual.net>   ; In article <RkP1f.94795$RW.4143@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, + 	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > John Laird wrote:  > L >> However, home.ne.jp are not exactly uninvolved.  It looks very much as ifN >> their news server was used to post these duplicates.  It's either wide openL >> or they are providing services to zaq.ne.jp.  Either way, they could look0 >> into this, or at least pass the complaint on. >>  $ >> Typical "service desk" mentality. > I > There is a web server and an smtp server running on 211.124.166.216. I  H > get a blank page fromn the web server but a message to postmaster via B > the smtp server might get results. I suggest several of us try. G > Postmaster@[211.124.166.216] didn't bounce at least. You need the []  & > brackets for a numeric address iirc.   F I would suggest looking at the Paths: header and getting in touch withF their peers.  If their peers stop accepting news from them the problem goes away!!    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:11:26 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> , Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?8 Message-ID: <n7hfk1l4vtub4h79n48mc2br7ou7dp0q1b@4ax.com>  K On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:55:13 GMT, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote:    >John Laird wrote: > L >> However, home.ne.jp are not exactly uninvolved.  It looks very much as ifN >> their news server was used to post these duplicates.  It's either wide openL >> or they are providing services to zaq.ne.jp.  Either way, they could look0 >> into this, or at least pass the complaint on. >>  $ >> Typical "service desk" mentality. > H >There is a web server and an smtp server running on 211.124.166.216. I G >get a blank page fromn the web server but a message to postmaster via  A >the smtp server might get results. I suggest several of us try.  F >Postmaster@[211.124.166.216] didn't bounce at least. You need the [] % >brackets for a numeric address iirc.   L Thanks for the tip.  I doubt it's malicious as much as ineptness.  From whatH I recall of setting up news servers, it can be all too easy to configure! them to propagate stuff back out.    --  5 Everybody ends up kissing the wrong person goodnight.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:48:58 +0000 (UTC)< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann), Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?) Message-ID: <di8ppa$i5v$1@news.BelWue.DE>   f In article <RkP1f.94795$RW.4143@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:H >There is a web server and an smtp server running on 211.124.166.216. I G >get a blank page fromn the web server but a message to postmaster via  A >the smtp server might get results. I suggest several of us try.  F >Postmaster@[211.124.166.216] didn't bounce at least. You need the [] % >brackets for a numeric address iirc.    Possible e-mail address is: 1     Hyodom@hokusetsu.jcom.co.jp (Hyodo, Masayuki)  Fax:    +81-727-49-0030 Company     Hokusetsu Cable Net Co.,Ltd  N I sent him both, an e-mail and a fax. Do the same and he'll be surprised aboutL the paperwork he'll find on Monday (which is some hours earlier than most of the world).    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:14:48 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>, Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?= Message-ID: <YfS1f.82666$iW5.55559@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:  H > I would suggest looking at the Paths: header and getting in touch withH > their peers.  If their peers stop accepting news from them the problem
 > goes away!!   H The upsetream peer is exactly who we've been complaining to but they've F just washed their hands of it. Thus my suggestion to try email to the 
 actual IP.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 16:28:29 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?+ Message-ID: <3qqaddFft22pU1@individual.net>   = In article <YfS1f.82666$iW5.55559@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, + 	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > I >> I would suggest looking at the Paths: header and getting in touch with I >> their peers.  If their peers stop accepting news from them the problem  >> goes away!! > J > The upsetream peer is exactly who we've been complaining to but they've H > just washed their hands of it. Thus my suggestion to try email to the  > actual IP. >   . Sounds like time for the Usenet Death Penalty.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 13:03:16 GMT 7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) J Subject: Re: How UCX's POP server gets the /OPTION value from the configs?$ Message-ID: <2005Oct8.130316@hujicc>  . > How about "with TCPIP$POP_mumble logicals" ?  % Couldn't find the relevant logical...   8                                        Thanks! __Yehavi:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:19:53 +1300$ From: "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today5 Message-ID: <4hL1f.16729$iM2.1372316@news.xtra.co.nz>   % <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message < news:1128724103.155553.67760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  D >The UK Employee Representatives strongly disagree with the proposedF >work-force management figure of 968 for the United Kingdom. EmployeesE >are extremely concerned with the continual erosion of UK jobs, being @ >transferred under the banner of 'off-shore and near-shoring' to >emerging European countries  ? Don't you realise that fighting to keep jobs in UK means taking < away jobs in "emerging European countries" as you call them.  B There is nothing wrong with it actually, it's quite understandableC that you would fight for that. But let's not be hypocritical - it's @ obvious that "emerging countries" will fight for those jobs too.< And they appear to be winning. It's neither right nor wrong, it's called competition.  9 [Snipping the rest of the post which contains no economic  sense, just some propaganda]   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:57:28 +1300$ From: "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today5 Message-ID: <oQL1f.16734$iM2.1371300@news.xtra.co.nz>   4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message2 news:AH91f.3055$R4.475957@news20.bellglobal.com... > 1 > "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com> wrote in message 1 > news:RoM0f.16157$iM2.1328350@news.xtra.co.nz... I > > What about the customers? What about 3rd party people? What about the 
 > > damage0 > > the strikers are doing to their own economy? > >  > D > It's funny that almost no one raises the same questions when upperH > management decides to down size you and ship your job to a third world
 > country.  E Could it be because that decision doesn't affect (or, at least, isn't C expected to affect) either the customers, 3rd party or the economy? ; Or it might even (horror!) actually affect them positively?   K > What happens to your economy when the only person making good money is in  > upper management?   ? What happens when unions run out of control? Remember Moulinex? @ The main reason cited in the press for it's demise was that it's@ repeated attempts to restructure (euphemism, right?) were always= blocked by the unions and state regulations. Where is it now?    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 07:50:29 -0700  From: mark_hpq@yahoo.com8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayB Message-ID: <1128783029.563367.28290@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   > A > Don't you realise that fighting to keep jobs in UK means taking > > away jobs in "emerging European countries" as you call them. > D > There is nothing wrong with it actually, it's quite understandableE > that you would fight for that. But let's not be hypocritical - it's B > obvious that "emerging countries" will fight for those jobs too.> > And they appear to be winning. It's neither right nor wrong, > it's called competition. >    Don't you realize that  C 1) In the end if the level of service decreases (and it often does)  customers will stop to buy HP   B 2) When a company, like HP does all the time, claims to be ethicalF and that its employees are its best asset, it should fight to keep itsF employees even changing the type of jobs they are doing specially when; the profits are growing due to the work of these employees. D Also it should not distribute millions of dollars in stock gifts andF options (much more than IBM for instance ) to some execs including theE CEO. In fact a law should stop this kind of stock gifts during layoff E plans because the same people what receive stock options will benefit F from them because of the short sighted view of most stock analysts who7 don't even have a clue about the real businesses of HP.   E 3) People from UK or other countries will also soon realize that they A should buy their products from companies who  are ethical (in the G previous acception). I hope that under the pressure of HP employees all G over Europe, HP will realize that this stock oriented lay off plan will # cause more harm than benefit to HP.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:16:29 +0000 (UTC)9 From: vmsfortranrdbosu@gNOmSPAMx.nREMOVEeCAPITAL_LETTERSt ? Subject: looking for VMS/Fortran/Rdb/OSU job in northern Europe 1 Message-ID: <di8nsd$2cga$1@fiasco.xenopsyche.net>   I I have several years' experience with VMS, Fortran (77--95), Rdb and the  H OSU HTTP server.  I am currently employed at a permanent position where G I use some of these skills (and the others I keep polished elsewhere),  H and at some time have been paid to use each of these skills (though not  always all at once).  @ I am looking for a similar job in Sweden, Norway, Denmark or theH Netherlands.  Neither language nor residence/work permits are a problem.  I I am looking for a permanent job, the plan being to move house once more  I in my life.  It doesn't matter much where in these countries the job is,  / and travel as part of the job is not a problem.   ? What is the best way to look for such jobs, for obvious reasons E anonymously at first, in these countries?  What fraction of such jobs H are advertised via, say, Monster?  Is it worth checking with individual C companies?  If so, which ones?  What about contacting a headhunter  D directly---does anyone have any experience with that and can anyone  recommend any good headhunters?   G Please send any and all hints to the email address from which this was  ( posted, removing the obvious spam block.  H If anyone can get me a job by doing substantially more than just giving G hints about where to apply, then I would be happy to pay such a person  * some compensation for the effort involved.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 15:13:12 +0000 (UTC)9 From: vmsfortranrdbosu@gNOmSPAMx.nREMOVEeCAPITAL_LETTERSt ? Subject: looking for VMS/Fortran/Rdb/OSU job in northern Europe 1 Message-ID: <di8nm8$2cfn$1@fiasco.xenopsyche.net>   I I have several years' experience with VMS, Fortran (77--95), Rdb and the  H OSU HTTP server.  I am currently employed at a permanent position where G I use some of these skills (and the others I keep polished elsewhere),  H and at some time have been paid to use each of these skills (though not  always all at once).  @ I am looking for a similar job in Sweden, Norway, Denmark or theH Netherlands.  Neither language nor residence/work permits are a problem.  I I am looking for a permanent job, the plan being to move house once more  I in my life.  It doesn't matter much where in these countries the job is,  / and travel as part of the job is not a problem.   ? What is the best way to look for such jobs, for obvious reasons E anonymously at first, in these countries?  What fraction of such jobs H are advertised via, say, Monster?  Is it worth checking with individual C companies?  If so, which ones?  What about contacting a headhunter  D directly---does anyone have any experience with that and can anyone  recommend any good headhunters?   G Please send any and all hints to the email address from which this was  ( posted, removing the obvious spam block.  H If anyone can get me a job by doing substantially more than just giving G hints about where to apply, then I would be happy to pay such a person  * some compensation for the effort involved.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 10:30:08 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: Missed opportunity for VMS marketing., Message-ID: <43479fb0$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <di5itn$sjc$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>, m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes:6 >In article <4345D2C6.584A8828@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei( ><jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:E >> Had VMS management gone to hollywood and offered to pay to get VMS 8 >> exposure in that show, they would have considered it. > 7 >And what should a potential customer buy next monday ?  >A dead end alpha box ? A >A dead end (at least according to some people here) itanic box ? $ >A not (yet?) existing VMS/x86 box ?E >Advertising only makes sense if you actually have something to sell. 4 >Maybe HP know they have nothing reasonable to sell, >so why advertise ?   O What makes you believe that if they have something to sell they will advertize? H If they wanted VMS to grow, they would have done VMS ads in the past andL they wouldn't have made a situation where they have nothing to sell anymore.M In short, they wouldn't have killed the Alpha (until Itanic gets successful).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:20:28 -0500 . From: Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom>% Subject: Re: More on HSJ40 hung tapes 0 Message-ID: <Qv2dncZ577LfWtreRVn-tw@comcast.com>   Alan Greig wrote: B > Ok. a week ago I posted about a problem with tapes hung on HSJ40I > controllers. The suggested work-around of deleting the unit then adding D > it back again worked but after less than a week it re-occurred. As@ > several people emailed me to say they used to see this problemD > regularly on the HSJ40 I am trying to understand why. Firmware bugD > surely? Firmware installed is V34J-0. i couldn't find the firmwareI > immediately on the HP site so can anyone tell me the latest release and F > where I might find it? Any comments as to whether ayone recalls this, > problem being fixed by a firmware upgrade? >  > Thanks >   H The latest firmware is V37J-6.  That includes patches 2-6.  IIRC, there E were fixes that would be beneficial to tape operations, specifically  9 V37J-5.  The HSOF patches should all be installed anyway.   8 There are some other symptoms that can bite you, though.  H If you have a tape problem check the tape UNIT's condition from the HSJ I (SHOW T14 or whatever). If the tape drive is in "exclusive access" mode,  H you'll HAVE to reboot the HSJ to access the tape, no alternative.  This G usually follows an OPCOM message that the tape has gone offline in the   middle of some operation.   F If that isn't the condition, check the "container" for the tape drive F (either "SHOW TAPE FULL" or "SHOW TAPE140" for example).  If the tape F containter has an error "Misconfigured or no device installed at this B PTL" you may be able to recover by typing "CLEAR UNKNOWN TAPExxx" I Typically this latter condition is caused if a tape drive has been power    cycled AFTER the HSJ was booted.  G Unfortunately, unless your HSJs are/were under a maintenance contract,  F getting the latest PCMCIA release of firmware will probably be a cost  item...    bob    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 10:11:01 -0200 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Need to Find., Message-ID: <43479b35$1@news.langstoeger.at>  c In article <di6n6k$30f$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>, Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> writes: - >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   : Please don't do MIME in USENET textonly groups. Thank you.  I >Can anyone tell me where I can find this file at? I have the *.pcsi but   >not this one. > % >DEC-AXPVMS-DFU-V0301-1.PCSI$DATABASE   H This file will be created in SYS$SYSTEM during installation of the .PCSI    ) What is the background of your question ?    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 06:05:42 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com Y Subject: Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327 - Message-ID: <87wtkpasp5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:    > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:K >> Anyone know where the details of ODS-5 and version numbering is defined?   G > Kirby McCoy's book "VMS File System Internals", ISBN 1-55558-056-4 or F > 0-13-931783-X, details ODS-2 and version numbering. ODS-5 is just anE > extension (fairly minor in scope) to ODS-2 for things like extended ? > character sets for filenames. Hoff's pointers may be helpful.   N Specifically, does ODS-5 have the same NAME, VERSION-NUMBER, FID (with counts,O lengths etc) as the ODS-2 directory? The name part I can ignore, if the rest is  consistant.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:52:40 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> * Subject: Re: Resetting Compaq SANSwitch 16= Message-ID: <sNL1f.124399$G8.8390@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   D ** The SANswitch 16 manual (EK-BCP28-IA.B01) says this on page 4-12:       Reset to Default  H     To reset all values in the Configuration menu to default conditions,L press <Enter> while Reset to Default displays on the front panel. Select YesI and press     <Enter>. If you have customized the Ethernet IP address and G switch name for your environment, these do not reset to default values. ?     NOTE: Resetting the switch to default conditions causes all I configuration settings, names, and passwords entered to revert to default 	 settings.     H ** The Fabric OS manual V3.1.x / V4.1.x (AA-RS24C-TE) says this on pages 139-140:       configDefault C     Reset a subset of configuration settings to the default values. 
 configDefault 	     Admin      V3.1.x and V4.1.x K     Use this command to reset certain configuration settings to the default H values. All configuration parameters, with the following exceptions, are reset to default     values: : n         Ethernet MAC address, IP address, and subnetmask n         IP gateway address n         License keys n         OEM customization  n         SNMP configuration n         System name  n         World Wide Name ' n         Advanced Zoning configuration J     Note: See the configure command for more information on default values for configuration parameters. K     The configDefault command may not be executed on an enabled switch. You > must first disable the switch using the switchDisable command.       Fabric OS CommandsD     Some configuration parameters are cached by the system. To avoidK unexpected switch behavior, reboot the system after executing this command.         Operands 	     None.      Example :     To restore the system configuration to default values:  B      switch:admin> configDefault Committing Configuration ...done.       See Also6     agtcfgDefault configure switchDisable switchEnable      G Worth checking that you did disable the switch first. Maybe you need to  update the firmware too?   --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk E It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 15:45:17 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com . Subject: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users, Message-ID: <di8pid02kvo@enews1.newsguy.com>  J How do people go about dealing with email sent to non-existant users?  I'mK getting "Returned mail" messages from TCPIP$SMTP@*********.*** (my system)  M when it tries to let the spammer know that there is no such user.  Since the  J spammers don't normally provide real email addresses, the messages bounch, and I get these messages.   J This user has never had an account on my system, though I'm pretty sure itI was a valid address prior to my finally getting the domain last year (the J interesting thing is it took about 5 months for the first of these to show up).   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 03:35:43 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! 0 Message-ID: <11ketalc66q7fd4@corp.supernews.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>JF Mezei wrote:  >> >>>Dave Froble wrote:  >>>  >>>  >>>>Main, Kerry wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>J >>>>>For most Cust business exec's, what chip their applications run on isI >>>>>likely somewhere near #123 on their list of things they worry about.  >>>> >>>>I totally agree. >>>  >>>  >>>I disagree. >>> J >>>Take Linux or Windows for instance. Most software is available on 8086.H >>>Only a small subset of Windows apps are available on that IA64 thing. >>> + >>>Software availability is very important.  >>> I >>>And if a piece of software exists on Alpha-VMS but not IA64-VMS, guess < >>>where the customer will go when HP stops selling Alphas ? >>>  >>H >>Well, I don't get out much.  But my limited experiences have been thatC >>the customers didn't care much about the CPU.  They wanted to run G >>windoz.  Cheap PCs may have been an argument, but the core reason was 	 >>the OS.  >  > E > Well, I'd question that. In my mind what the user *REALLY* wants is 9 > "point and click", and the underlying system be damned.  > G > When you look at all the goofy machinations like Citrix and such that C > "WhineBloze addicts" go through to run an app. on one machine and J > display it on a another, the subtle elegance of X's intent really shines
 > through. > E > Makes you wonder if Bill Gates won't someday end up like Jake Blues G > standing in the brilliant, blue-white beam and finally see the light.  >   H Well, one current customer, at one time, wasn't going to be happy until I the logo said MicroSoft Windows.  I discussed various possibilities, and  E I could read it in his face, anything that wasn't windoz just wasn't  I going to get selected.  At some point, you just have to go with the flow.   H I bring up this customer at this point, since the person who pushed for G windows is deceased, (some might say my timing was off), and the users  H are complaining about having to point and click.  They realize that for I all day long work, the mouse just slows them down.  Now the requests are  H for modifications that minimize the need for the mouse.  Hey, the money  spends just as well.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 13:19:44 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)# Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! + Message-ID: <3qpvbgFg408nU1@individual.net>   0 In article <11ketalc66q7fd4@corp.supernews.com>,* 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > David J Dachtera wrote:  >> Dave Froble wrote:  >>   >>>JF Mezei wrote: >>>  >>>>Dave Froble wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Main, Kerry wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> K >>>>>>For most Cust business exec's, what chip their applications run on is J >>>>>>likely somewhere near #123 on their list of things they worry about. >>>>>  >>>>>I totally agree.  >>>> >>>> >>>>I disagree.  >>>>K >>>>Take Linux or Windows for instance. Most software is available on 8086. I >>>>Only a small subset of Windows apps are available on that IA64 thing.  >>>>, >>>>Software availability is very important. >>>>J >>>>And if a piece of software exists on Alpha-VMS but not IA64-VMS, guess= >>>>where the customer will go when HP stops selling Alphas ?  >>>> >>> I >>>Well, I don't get out much.  But my limited experiences have been that D >>>the customers didn't care much about the CPU.  They wanted to runH >>>windoz.  Cheap PCs may have been an argument, but the core reason was
 >>>the OS. >>   >>  F >> Well, I'd question that. In my mind what the user *REALLY* wants is: >> "point and click", and the underlying system be damned. >>  H >> When you look at all the goofy machinations like Citrix and such thatD >> "WhineBloze addicts" go through to run an app. on one machine andK >> display it on a another, the subtle elegance of X's intent really shines  >> through.  >>  F >> Makes you wonder if Bill Gates won't someday end up like Jake BluesH >> standing in the brilliant, blue-white beam and finally see the light. >>   > J > Well, one current customer, at one time, wasn't going to be happy until K > the logo said MicroSoft Windows.  I discussed various possibilities, and  G > I could read it in his face, anything that wasn't windoz just wasn't  K > going to get selected.  At some point, you just have to go with the flow.  > J > I bring up this customer at this point, since the person who pushed for I > windows is deceased, (some might say my timing was off), and the users  J > are complaining about having to point and click.  They realize that for K > all day long work, the mouse just slows them down.  Now the requests are  J > for modifications that minimize the need for the mouse.  Hey, the money  > spends just as well.  C A number of years ago when the PS2 was in vogue our local BlueCross B would not take any hardware that did not say IBM on it.  They even@ willingly paid a premium for memory because of demanding the IBMG name on the box, even though at that time IBM memory was just re-badged   (and re-priced) Kingston Memory.  B "I don't care which one wins as long as it says VAX on the front."  3 There was a time when DEC was riding that wave too.    9 Style's don't change, only the brand in the king's favor.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:40:24 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: Re: VMS on a PC - Is it possible ? ( Message-ID: <opsyb25m06zgicya@hyrrokkin>  G On 7 Oct 2005 08:13:15 -0700, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote:    >  > Bob Koehler wrote:L >>>    Layered products are products that lay on top of OpenVMS.  You need  
 >>> to getH >>    the layered product licenses to run the layered products such as   >> compilersD >>    and network stacks.  You can use HP's IP stack, or either of   >> Process's IP J >>    stacks under the hobbyist program.  Once you add the layered product@ >>    licenses you need to install the desired layered products. > H > And I'll just add that the layered product licenses are available as a< > hobbyist in case the original poster wasn't clear on this.   Including PL/I from our site.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 08:01:48 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> ? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? 8 Message-ID: <6tsek1tsu6vab917e2g9nl6m492fmcgg4h@4ax.com>  P On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:57:45 -0500, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  
 >FredK wrote: 	 >> [snip] F >> The voices in your head are suggesting that if VMS were to run on aF >> PC, that VMS would arbitrarily support any hardware...  and that is  >> beyond even wishful thinking. > % >Well, no - that seems a bit extreme.  > A >The truth is, however, that with the major roadblock obliterated A >(getting VMS natively onto IA32 and/or x86-64), the "impossible" F >suddenly becomes possible - and from there, anything can happen. It'sE >just a question of who is willing to do the work (write the drivers, B >etc.). In the open source world, there seems little doubt that if >someone can, they will. > F >We see that even in this group. Frequent posters here certainly beingI >among the ones most likely to roll their own, necessity being the mother  >of invention.  O Where are the people currently writing device drivers for sound cards, graphics I cards, wireless LAN cards etc? These are just a few of the unsupported or L partially supported devices that have been discussed on the newsgroup in theL last few days. What makes you think that if VMS were on yet another hardware: architecture that this would be any more likely to happen?   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:12:39 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> ? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? 0 Message-ID: <11kfv4gpgk4vab5@corp.supernews.com>   Nigel Barker wrote: R > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:57:45 -0500, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> > wrote: >  >  >>FredK wrote: >>	 >>>[snip] F >>>The voices in your head are suggesting that if VMS were to run on aF >>>PC, that VMS would arbitrarily support any hardware...  and that is  >>>beyond even wishful thinking. >>& >>Well, no - that seems a bit extreme. >>B >>The truth is, however, that with the major roadblock obliteratedB >>(getting VMS natively onto IA32 and/or x86-64), the "impossible"G >>suddenly becomes possible - and from there, anything can happen. It's F >>just a question of who is willing to do the work (write the drivers,C >>etc.). In the open source world, there seems little doubt that if  >>someone can, they will.  >>G >>We see that even in this group. Frequent posters here certainly being J >>among the ones most likely to roll their own, necessity being the mother >>of invention.  >  > Q > Where are the people currently writing device drivers for sound cards, graphics K > cards, wireless LAN cards etc? These are just a few of the unsupported or N > partially supported devices that have been discussed on the newsgroup in theN > last few days. What makes you think that if VMS were on yet another hardware< > architecture that this would be any more likely to happen? >  > -- > Nigel Barker! > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur  >   C Sounds like something that should come out of the hobbyist people.  C There are already places that could make such available.  Or a new  C distribution site could be set up for drivers written by hobbyists.   I Wonder how many people have a clue on how to begin to write such drivers?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.562 ************************