1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 09 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 563       Contents:# Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? # Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp? & Re: How long for a shadow copy over CI/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today P Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] -dealing with ;3276) Re: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users ) Re: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users ) Re: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users ) Re: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users  Re: Time to produce EV79s! Re: Vamp Hacked! Re: Vamp Hacked!6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?6 Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?6 RE: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?1 RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:24:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?, Message-ID: <43481D03.6C62C804@teksavvy.com>  E Connecting to 211.124.168.216 at port 25 reveals (upon disconnection)  that it is myh.no-ip.org    + Also, it appears to affect only comp.os.vms   F I wonder if it wouldn't be a member of the email distribution list whoA then injects the messages into NNTP. (like the email/nntp gateway ! between infovax and comp.os.vms).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 16:05:24 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>, Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?- Message-ID: <4348267D.4AFB0440@vaxination.ca>   < BTW, there is a web site configured for http://myh.no-ip.org  G (so this appears to be a web server configured as a multihomed one, but D with a "default" home page comfigured to provide a simplistic page : 	<html>  	</html>    H The owner's email address is m-ito@myh.no-ip.org  .... I have sent him a* "kind" letter showing  duplicated headers.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:43:36 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>, Subject: Re: Double-postings via home.ne.jp?< Message-ID: <c4X1f.95014$RW.92626@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   JF Mezei wrote: G > Connecting to 211.124.168.216 at port 25 reveals (upon disconnection)  > that it is myh.no-ip.org >  > - > Also, it appears to affect only comp.os.vms  > H > I wonder if it wouldn't be a member of the email distribution list whoC > then injects the messages into NNTP. (like the email/nntp gateway # > between infovax and comp.os.vms).   D Certainly a possibility but if they were an info-vax subscriber you C would think they would notice. Perhaps someone should check recent  # info-vax additions in Japan though.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:13:26 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: How long for a shadow copy over CI + Message-ID: <43482865.B3E5117A@comcast.net>    Rob Brooks wrote:  > 6 > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Rob Brooks wrote:  > >>N > >> Minicopy is not controller-dependent; it'll work with any storage, as allP > >> the work is done by VMS.  The "write bitmap" subsystem (first developed for; > >> minicopy) is also used by Host-Based Minimerge (HBMM).  > > P > >> Minicopy first appeared on V7.3 (both VAX and Alpha), and was backported to > >> V7.2-2. > > L > > In it's present form, that's true. However, I'm fairly certain I've seenF > > it before in a form that relied on the HSJs to handle the bitmaps. > L > You are wrong; HSC/J/D controllers support controller based miniMERGE, notL > miniCOPY.  Well, the HSD05 doesn't support controller-based minimerge, but+ > aside from that, my statement is correct.  > K > That implementation does NOT use any sort of a bitmap to drive the merge.  > J > > Granted, it may have been CSCPATs or something similar, not officiallyI > > issued/supported, but I can't be going senile just yet. I'll check my D > > records here - may even have a sample of their OPCOM log on a CD > > somewhere. > M > I have no idea what you thought you saw, but it wasn't any form of minicopy  > that was controller-based.  B Actually, you're probably right. I believe it was just mini-merge.E Surprised the spit out of me to see it happen, because I thought that , was just a future "wish list" item for HBVS.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:31:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today, Message-ID: <43481E84.5BA7116F@teksavvy.com>  C Note: In this past couple of weeks, the HP Cuts in France have been G mentioned repeatedly on BBC World service as an example of why there is  unrest in europe (strikes etc).   H It is interesting that it is the cuts in France that are making the newsE and not the ones on Germany. Nevertheless, it is bad publicity for HP A worldwide, except in the USA where media rarely cover such events  outside the USA.  H It was a terrible PR decision on HP's part, and I am wondering if it wasE just inpept management who blindly announced large job cust to please F wall street without thinking about the PR implications outside the USA" where HP makes a lot fo its money.  E (I know that for a long time, Digital made more than 50% of its money F outside the USA, and if this is the same for HP, then making decisions+ with non-USA PR in mnd would be critical.).     E If I were Dell right now, I would announce some new support centre in B France and hire some workers. Even if it is a small centre, the PR, goodwill woudl sway many sales over to Dell.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:05:37 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <43482691.74A28823@comcast.net>   
 Lurker wrote:  > 6 > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message4 > news:AH91f.3055$R4.475957@news20.bellglobal.com... > > 3 > > "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com> wrote in message 3 > > news:RoM0f.16157$iM2.1328350@news.xtra.co.nz... K > > > What about the customers? What about 3rd party people? What about the  > > > damage2 > > > the strikers are doing to their own economy? > > >  > > F > > It's funny that almost no one raises the same questions when upperJ > > management decides to down size you and ship your job to a third world > > country. > G > Could it be because that decision doesn't affect (or, at least, isn't E > expected to affect) either the customers, 3rd party or the economy? = > Or it might even (horror!) actually affect them positively?   G Well, let's see now: we have fewer workers, so we can only provid eless ) product or less service at the same cost.   ! Nope, don't see any benefit thre.   M > > What happens to your economy when the only person making good money is in  > > upper management?  > A > What happens when unions run out of control? Remember Moulinex? B > The main reason cited in the press for it's demise was that it'sB > repeated attempts to restructure (euphemism, right?) were always? > blocked by the unions and state regulations. Where is it now?   2 Probably decided to "take their ball and go home".  E Like it or else, your employees are your business partners as much as D your vendors, investors or anyone else. Screw your partners, and you only screw yourself.  G Give your partners a fair shake and they'll raise you to the heights of E heaven, business success wise. Screw them, and they'll pound you into F the ground until you stop getting up so they can pound you down again.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:10:06 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <4348279E.F50AC337@comcast.net>   
 Lurker wrote:  > ' > <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1128724103.155553.67760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > F > >The UK Employee Representatives strongly disagree with the proposedH > >work-force management figure of 968 for the United Kingdom. EmployeesG > >are extremely concerned with the continual erosion of UK jobs, being B > >transferred under the banner of 'off-shore and near-shoring' to > >emerging European countries > A > Don't you realise that fighting to keep jobs in UK means taking > > away jobs in "emerging European countries" as you call them.  A You can't "lose" what you never had. Nothing is being taken away.   D > There is nothing wrong with it actually, it's quite understandableE > that you would fight for that. But let's not be hypocritical - it's B > obvious that "emerging countries" will fight for those jobs too.  F I've yet to hear of American (or European) business people being taken6 hostage and jobs demanded in return for their safety.   < How can anyone "fight" for something that doesn't exist yet?  > > And they appear to be winning. It's neither right nor wrong, > it's called competition.  H Well, yes and no. No number of wrongs *EVER* makes a right, call it what	 you will.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:09:04 +1300$ From: "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today5 Message-ID: <93_1f.16807$iM2.1380806@news.xtra.co.nz>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:43482691.74A28823@comcast.net...   G > Like it or else, your employees are your business partners as much as ) > your vendors, investors or anyone else.   5 Employees - yes, they are. Unions - no, they are not.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:56:37 +1300$ From: "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today5 Message-ID: <uo12f.16836$iM2.1382183@news.xtra.co.nz>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:4348279E.F50AC337@comcast.net...   > > How can anyone "fight" for something that doesn't exist yet?  / How about a "fight" for a really good contract?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:00:31 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] -dealing with ;3276 + Message-ID: <4348255E.BB31EBBC@comcast.net>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > 5 > Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:  >   > > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:M > >> Anyone know where the details of ODS-5 and version numbering is defined?  > I > > Kirby McCoy's book "VMS File System Internals", ISBN 1-55558-056-4 or H > > 0-13-931783-X, details ODS-2 and version numbering. ODS-5 is just anG > > extension (fairly minor in scope) to ODS-2 for things like extended A > > character sets for filenames. Hoff's pointers may be helpful.  > P > Specifically, does ODS-5 have the same NAME, VERSION-NUMBER, FID (with counts,Q > lengths etc) as the ODS-2 directory? The name part I can ignore, if the rest is 
 > consistant.   H I believe it's safe to say that ODS-5 is a superset of ODS-2: everything' that's in ODS-2 is in ODS-5, plus more.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 20:33:01 -0200 6 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users, Message-ID: <43482cfd$1@news.langstoeger.at>  H In article <di8pid02kvo@enews1.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:F >How do people go about dealing with email sent to non-existant users?  D We do not accept them at the very first mail server to the internet.M "RCPT TO: <unknown user>" gets no ok and the mail keeps on the remote/foreign L mailserver for delivery (or bouncing). Therefor we do not have such mails...  K >                                                                       I'm L >getting "Returned mail" messages from TCPIP$SMTP@*********.*** (my system) N >when it tries to let the spammer know that there is no such user.  Since the K >spammers don't normally provide real email addresses, the messages bounch,  >and I get these messages.  A Better use a SMTP server which doesn't accept the mail before the ) address check. That means, better use MX. K Or upgrade to TCPIP V5.5 (which requires VMS V8.2) were this is fixed also.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:46:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users, Message-ID: <4348220E.3537C335@teksavvy.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > H > How do people go about dealing with email sent to non-existant users?   E If you have some consistent destinations lets say chocolate.spamnot ,  you can deal with it this way:  " $CREATE TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:NLA0.DIS	 $<CTRL-Z>    then:   B MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=CHOCOLATE.SPAMNOT SMTP%:nla0@yourdomain.tld    H this way, any inbound mail for chocolate.spamnot is accepted and then atE the VMSmail level redirected to the SMTP queues for delivery to nla0  F and the SMTO symbiont sees the NLA0 distribution list and delivers theG message to all recipients on the list. Since there are no recipients on G the list, the message is delivered to nobody and the software considers  it was succesfully delivered.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2005 14:46:57 -0700  From: jordan@ccs4vms.com2 Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant usersC Message-ID: <1128808017.415856.317390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:L > How do people go about dealing with email sent to non-existant users?  I'mL > getting "Returned mail" messages from TCPIP$SMTP@*********.*** (my system)N > when it tries to let the spammer know that there is no such user.  Since theL > spammers don't normally provide real email addresses, the messages bounch, > and I get these messages.  > L > This user has never had an account on my system, though I'm pretty sure itK > was a valid address prior to my finally getting the domain last year (the L > interesting thing is it took about 5 months for the first of these to show > up). >  > 		Zane  B In one of the ECOs to TCPIP V5.4 for Alpha the ability to have theA receiver (as opposed to the actual SMTP symbiont) check for valid F addresses before accepting mail was added.  I'm pretty sure it was ECO9 2, and its mentioned in the release notes for that patch.   < You can add the line "Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability" to theB SMTP.CONFIG file; set to TRUE to keep the current behavior, set toD FALSE makes the receiver check the existence of the recipient before accepting the mail.   E The sites we have using Alphas for mail service saw a huge decline in = problem mails and mail queue buildup once this was activated.    Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:24:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.4, SMTP & non-existant users, Message-ID: <4348551C.A155333C@teksavvy.com>   jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote: > > You can add the line "Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability" to theD > SMTP.CONFIG file; set to TRUE to keep the current behavior, set toF > FALSE makes the receiver check the existence of the recipient before > accepting the mail.      Funny, I woudl have put in:   H Receiver-Checks-DeliverabilityL TRUE or FALSE. This would have been fart
 more obvious.   C The current nomemclaure makes you believe that the symbiont will no 5 longer check deliverability when it handles messages.   E (Remember that the receiver merely writes incoming messages to a file < and submits the file to the symbiont for actual processing).  G Seems to me that even of you say Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability: FALSE, - the symbiont must still check deliverability.   F It would be intersting to hear from the TCPIP engineers (are there any' left ?) on why they chose that wording.    ------------------------------   Date: 08 Oct 2005 20:32:05 GMT$ From: "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com># Subject: Re: Time to produce EV79s! 7 Message-ID: <Xns96E9E53D5BD2ADCovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   + bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in $ news:3qpvbgFg408nU1@individual.net:   2 > In article <11ketalc66q7fd4@corp.supernews.com>,0 >      Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   <snip>  F >> I bring up this customer at this point, since the person who pushedG >> for windows is deceased, (some might say my timing was off), and the G >> users are complaining about having to point and click.  They realize G >> that for all day long work, the mouse just slows them down.  Now the H >> requests are for modifications that minimize the need for the mouse. & >> Hey, the money spends just as well. > E > A number of years ago when the PS2 was in vogue our local BlueCross D > would not take any hardware that did not say IBM on it.  They evenB > willingly paid a premium for memory because of demanding the IBM? > name on the box, even though at that time IBM memory was just , > re-badged (and re-priced) Kingston Memory. > D > "I don't care which one wins as long as it says VAX on the front." > 5 > There was a time when DEC was riding that wave too.  >   ; > Style's don't change, only the brand in the king's favor.   I Actually, Dave is describing something slightly different.  The WinTendo  I operating system is so widespread that this is where you are most likely   to notice the problem.  I I've been closely involved with data entry for at least 15 years now.  I  B saw the tail end of "key-punch-girls" prepping data for mainframe I processing right through to current systems.  I'd vote to confiscate the  I mouse, and banish the browser interfaces that are springing up.  Someone  J who spends all day, every day, entering sales orders is getting less work 2 done than their predecessor who had a VT terminal.  G What is it about pretty graphics that makes people completely clueless  I about the actual job that has to be done, and how to most efficiently do  H it?  I'm waiting for our Chinese customers to say the current system is I too slow, but perhaps they've never had what I consider old computers to  " compare the data entry speed with.     Doc.   ------------------------------   Date: 08 Oct 2005 20:07:32 GMT$ From: "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! 7 Message-ID: <Xns96E9E113544FEDCovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   + Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in 5 news:w4G0f.521$R62.507@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp:    F >>Anyways, as Graham has demonstrated, the design of Notes allows for F >>expansion in ways never even dreamt of by the original implementors.  F > Is the interface available for use elsewhere?  If so, can it be used@ > for commercial customer support bulletin boards if the systems6 > involved are not running under the hobbyist license?  H I don't know if you followed up on the cluster, but Graham does plan to J release this.  I suspect it will make its way onto the Freeware alongside H Notes.  Unfortunately you seem to be keen to make a move off PHP in the 
 near-term.     Doc.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 16:27:55 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> Subject: Re: Vamp Hacked! B Message-ID: <1128806878.0c6d2860df586ac65abb5ce5762f75bd@teranews>  < On 10/08/2005 15:07:32 "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:  - > Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote in 6 > news:w4G0f.521$R62.507@news-virt.s-kddi1.home.ne.jp:  G >>> Anyways, as Graham has demonstrated, the design of Notes allows for H >>> expansion in ways never even dreamt of by the original implementors.  K >> Is the interface available for use elsewhere?  If so, can it be used for J >> commercial customer support bulletin boards if the systems involved are* >> not running under the hobbyist license?  I > I don't know if you followed up on the cluster, but Graham does plan to K > release this.  I suspect it will make its way onto the Freeware alongside I > Notes.  Unfortunately you seem to be keen to make a move off PHP in the  > near-term.  I The only reason I went to PHP in the first place was because of a lack of K native VMS applications for certain things.  If I can get the functionality N directly on VMS, then yes, I won't use PHP for those things.  I will still useM it for the applictions that are not on vms in any form, such as photo gallery 	 programs.   M I am not sure if I will use the PTR bugtracking thing even if it is released, O because it has a large number of prerequisite packages, many of which cost real J money, such as RDB and RTR.  The PHP bugtracker I am now using is based on mysql.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:57:39 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? + Message-ID: <434824B3.C1F66522@comcast.net>    Nigel Barker wrote:  > R > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:57:45 -0500, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> > wrote: >  > >FredK wrote:  > >> [snip] H > >> The voices in your head are suggesting that if VMS were to run on aH > >> PC, that VMS would arbitrarily support any hardware...  and that is" > >> beyond even wishful thinking. > > ' > >Well, no - that seems a bit extreme.  > > C > >The truth is, however, that with the major roadblock obliterated C > >(getting VMS natively onto IA32 and/or x86-64), the "impossible" H > >suddenly becomes possible - and from there, anything can happen. It'sG > >just a question of who is willing to do the work (write the drivers, D > >etc.). In the open source world, there seems little doubt that if > >someone can, they will. > > H > >We see that even in this group. Frequent posters here certainly beingK > >among the ones most likely to roll their own, necessity being the mother  > >of invention. > Q > Where are the people currently writing device drivers for sound cards, graphics K > cards, wireless LAN cards etc? These are just a few of the unsupported or N > partially supported devices that have been discussed on the newsgroup in theN > last few days. What makes you think that if VMS were on yet another hardware< > architecture that this would be any more likely to happen?  3 http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?marketability    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:59:17 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? + Message-ID: <43482515.16B9F093@comcast.net>    Dave Froble wrote: >  > Nigel Barker wrote: T > > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:57:45 -0500, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>
 > > wrote: > >  > >  > >>FredK wrote: > >> > >>>[snip] H > >>>The voices in your head are suggesting that if VMS were to run on aH > >>>PC, that VMS would arbitrarily support any hardware...  and that is" > >>>beyond even wishful thinking. > >>( > >>Well, no - that seems a bit extreme. > >>D > >>The truth is, however, that with the major roadblock obliteratedD > >>(getting VMS natively onto IA32 and/or x86-64), the "impossible"I > >>suddenly becomes possible - and from there, anything can happen. It's H > >>just a question of who is willing to do the work (write the drivers,E > >>etc.). In the open source world, there seems little doubt that if  > >>someone can, they will.  > >>I > >>We see that even in this group. Frequent posters here certainly being L > >>among the ones most likely to roll their own, necessity being the mother > >>of invention.  > >  > > S > > Where are the people currently writing device drivers for sound cards, graphics M > > cards, wireless LAN cards etc? These are just a few of the unsupported or P > > partially supported devices that have been discussed on the newsgroup in theP > > last few days. What makes you think that if VMS were on yet another hardware> > > architecture that this would be any more likely to happen? > >  > > -- > > Nigel Barker# > > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur  > >  > D > Sounds like something that should come out of the hobbyist people.D > There are already places that could make such available.  Or a newE > distribution site could be set up for drivers written by hobbyists.  > K > Wonder how many people have a clue on how to begin to write such drivers?   D There's a related sub-thread somewhere in this morass about USB V2.0G support. Seems relevant to mention just now. Fred K. was participating.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:02:21 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> ? Subject: RE: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce? R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C1EA@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Dave Froble [mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com]=20  > Sent: October 8, 2005 1:13 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: Why did VMS users go along with the itanium farce?  >=20 > Nigel Barker wrote: ; > > On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:57:45 -0500, David J Dachtera=20  > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> 
 > > wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > >>FredK wrote: > >> > >>>[snip] H > >>>The voices in your head are suggesting that if VMS were to run on aH > >>>PC, that VMS would arbitrarily support any hardware...  and that is" > >>>beyond even wishful thinking. > >>( > >>Well, no - that seems a bit extreme. > >>D > >>The truth is, however, that with the major roadblock obliteratedD > >>(getting VMS natively onto IA32 and/or x86-64), the "impossible"? > >>suddenly becomes possible - and from there, anything can=20  > happen. It'sH > >>just a question of who is willing to do the work (write the drivers,E > >>etc.). In the open source world, there seems little doubt that if  > >>someone can, they will.  > >>< > >>We see that even in this group. Frequent posters here=20 > certainly being > > >>among the ones most likely to roll their own, necessity=20 > being the mother > >>of invention.  > >=20 > >=20@ > > Where are the people currently writing device drivers for=20 > sound cards, graphics A > > cards, wireless LAN cards etc? These are just a few of the=20  > unsupported orB > > partially supported devices that have been discussed on the=20 > newsgroup in theB > > last few days. What makes you think that if VMS were on yet=20 > another hardware> > > architecture that this would be any more likely to happen? > >=20 > > -- > > Nigel Barker# > > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur  > >=20 >=20G > Sounds like something that should come out of the hobbyist people.=20 G > There are already places that could make such available.  Or a new=20 E > distribution site could be set up for drivers written by hobbyists.  >=20@ > Wonder how many people have a clue on how to begin to write=20 > such drivers?  >=20 > --=20 6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >=20  H Or perhaps there are some interested in assisting with the OpenOffice to OpenVMS project?  
 Reference: http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org/   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:56:03 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> : Subject: RE: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C1E9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: healyzh@aracnet.com [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com]=20  > Sent: October 6, 2005 6:42 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > Subject: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? >=20( > Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote:G > > Instead, OpenVMS is focussing on improved J2EE and .Net integration  > > technologies.  >=20; > I don't suppose that ".Net integration" might include C#?  >=20 > 		Zane >=20    H Not sure if I understand your question, but with C# you can generate webC services modules on Windows which can easily integrate with OpenVMS  developed web services.   
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