1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 12 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 570       Contents: AEST SPD Re: AEST SPD8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)* Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard?* Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard?* Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard?* Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard?* Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard?* Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves* Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves* Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves* Re: Epson printers are electronic theievesI Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?) ?) P Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?) ?) ?) ?) H Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?)?)/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today " Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX" Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX" Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCXP Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327P Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327 Re: Samba-3 for OpenVMS I They're baahaack (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) P Re: They're baahaack (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) It Re: VMS logo feedback needed Re: VMS logo feedback needed Re: VMS logo feedback needed Re: VMS logo feedback needed Re: VMS logo feedback needed+ Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from? K [Fwd: Rules of thumb (was:Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today)]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:03:46 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: AEST SPD ( Message-ID: <opsyjdckfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  ( Anybody have a link to the SPD for AEST?  ) Also, can it be used on object libraries?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:02:06 GMT ( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> Subject: Re: AEST SPD 3 Message-ID: <Oz93f.14365$Iq6.9700@news.cpqcorp.net>   / AEST is one component of OMSAIS.  More info at:   < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/omsva/omsais.html   Tom Linden wrote: * > Anybody have a link to the SPD for AEST? > + > Also, can it be used on object libraries?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:15:29 GMT - From: Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) . Message-ID: <BC33f.153518$oW2.150779@pd7tw1no>  * That's one heck of an expensive Olive Oil.  A I just bought some extra-extra virgin 3 litres for under $20 CAN.   ; Same goes for maple syrup... I pay about $10 CAN per litre.    Art    Jeff Cameron wrote:   M > In a world where Gasoline prices are rising, but is still less than bottled 5 > water, here are some comparative prices of liquids. " > Items                   $/gallon# > Gasoline                $    3.00 # > Milk                    $    2.99 # > Coca-Cola               $    2.84 # > Gatorade                $    5.20 # > Evian Water             $    5.60 # > Orange Juice            $    6.64 # > Crisco Oil              $    7.44 # > Perrier Water           $    8.16 # > Snapple                 $   10.32 # > Scope Mouthwash         $   27.20 # > Lemon Oil               $   27.22 # > Olive Oil               $   51.04 # > Shampoo                 $   40.44 # > Real Maple Syrup        $   57.08 # > Jack Daniel's Bourbon   $  101.12 # > Visine Eye Drops        $  995.84 # > Nasacort Nasal Spray    $2,615.28 # > Printer ink             $8,895.72  > E > Calculation based on HP Ink jet cartridge number 58, which contains 9 > 17 ml of black ink at the typical list price of $39.95.  > < > All prices are in US dollars, and are subject to change... > Jeff Cameron > @ > Reference: http://www.vpcga.com/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=152 >  >   > On 10/9/05 9:33 AM, in article> > 43494643$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk, "Dr. Dweeb"* > <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote: >  >  >>Gentlemen, >>N >>I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both incompetant> >>and corrupt.  Someone should sue their scrawny little asses. >>, >>I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device. >>J >>Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5 >>read between 23-28% H >>I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink. >>I >>After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.  >># >>I decided to print the test page.  >> >>Failure - and worse. >>N >>1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message.  This6 >>will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!2 >>2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%J >>3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet >>having printed 1 character >>N >>Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print andK >>I am REALLY pissed off.  Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative 4 >>branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise. >>M >>The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me.  It is E >>both amoral and illegal.  There is no technical reason for what has D >>happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson9 >>cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.  >>L >>I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give up ?E >>Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?  >>! >>Where do I get my money back ??  >> >>Dr. Dweeb  >> >>   >> >> >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:11:37 GMT $ From: measekite <inkystinky@oem.com>A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) 9 Message-ID: <dtb3f.596$dO2.57@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0603060403080309010206009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    *D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE*    Arthur Entlich wrote:   , > That's one heck of an expensive Olive Oil. > C > I just bought some extra-extra virgin 3 litres for under $20 CAN.  > = > Same goes for maple syrup... I pay about $10 CAN per litre.  >  > Art  >  > Jeff Cameron wrote:  > G >> In a world where Gasoline prices are rising, but is still less than  
 >> bottled6 >> water, here are some comparative prices of liquids.# >> Items                   $/gallon $ >> Gasoline                $    3.00$ >> Milk                    $    2.99$ >> Coca-Cola               $    2.84$ >> Gatorade                $    5.20$ >> Evian Water             $    5.60$ >> Orange Juice            $    6.64$ >> Crisco Oil              $    7.44$ >> Perrier Water           $    8.16$ >> Snapple                 $   10.32$ >> Scope Mouthwash         $   27.20$ >> Lemon Oil               $   27.22$ >> Olive Oil               $   51.04$ >> Shampoo                 $   40.44$ >> Real Maple Syrup        $   57.08$ >> Jack Daniel's Bourbon   $  101.12$ >> Visine Eye Drops        $  995.84$ >> Nasacort Nasal Spray    $2,615.28$ >> Printer ink             $8,895.72 >>F >> Calculation based on HP Ink jet cartridge number 58, which contains: >> 17 ml of black ink at the typical list price of $39.95. >>= >> All prices are in US dollars, and are subject to change...  >> Jeff Cameron  >>A >> Reference: http://www.vpcga.com/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=152  >> >>! >> On 10/9/05 9:33 AM, in article ? >> 43494643$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk, "Dr. Dweeb" + >> <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote:  >> >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> E >>> I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both   >>> incompetant @ >>> and corrupt.  Someone should sue their scrawny little asses. >>> . >>> I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device. >>> E >>> Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the   >>> other 5  >>> read between 23-28% J >>> I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink. >>> K >>> After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.  >>> % >>> I decided to print the test page.  >>>  >>> Failure - and worse. >>> B >>> 1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah"  >>> message.  This8 >>> will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!4 >>> 2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%I >>> 3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not   >>> yet  >>> having printed 1 character >>> G >>> Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot  
 >>> print and B >>> I am REALLY pissed off.  Check how much 6 cartridges (even of  >>> alternative 6 >>> branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise. >>> E >>> The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes   >>> me.  It isG >>> both amoral and illegal.  There is no technical reason for what has F >>> happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson; >>> cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.  >>> E >>> I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I  
 >>> give up ? G >>> Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?  >>> # >>> Where do I get my money back ??  >>> 
 >>> Dr. Dweeb  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >> >> >>  & --------------060306040308030901020600) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   ? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">  <html> <head>I   <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">    <title></title>  </head> ' <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> U <div align="center"><font size="-1"><font face="Verdana"><big><big><big><big><b><font }  color="#ff0000">D</font></b><font color="#ff0000"><b>A BULLSHIT XCHANGE</b></font></big></big></big></big></font></font><br>  </div> <br> Arthur Entlich wrote: I <blockquote cite="midBC33f.153518$oW2.150779@pd7tw1no" type="cite">That's # one heck of an expensive Olive Oil.    <br>   <br>A I just bought some extra-extra virgin 3 litres for under $20 CAN.    <br>   <br>; Same goes for maple syrup... I pay about $10 CAN per litre.    <br>   <br> Art    <br>   <br> Jeff Cameron wrote:    <br>   <br>F   <blockquote type="cite">In a world where Gasoline prices are rising, but is still less than bottled     <br>3 water, here are some comparative prices of liquids.      <br>z Items&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $/gallon     <br>{ Gasoline&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.00      <br> Milk&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.99      <br>v Coca-Cola&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.84     <br>{ Gatorade&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.20      <br>l Evian Water&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.60     <br>g Orange Juice&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.64      <br>q Crisco Oil&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 7.44      <br>b Perrier Water&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8.16     <br>{ Snapple&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp; 10.32      <br>S Scope Mouthwash&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp; 27.20      <br>q Lemon Oil&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp; 27.22      <br>q Olive Oil&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp; 51.04      <br>{ Shampoo&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp; 40.44      <br>N Real Maple Syrup&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp;&nbsp; 57.08     <br>0 Jack Daniel's Bourbon&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp; 101.12     <br>I Visine Eye Drops&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $&nbsp; 995.84      <br>0 Nasacort Nasal Spray&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $2,615.28     <br>] Printer ink&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; $8,895.72      <br>     <br>C Calculation based on HP Ink jet cartridge number 58, which contains      <br>7 17 ml of black ink at the typical list price of $39.95.      <br>     <br>: All prices are in US dollars, and are subject to change...     <br> Jeff Cameron     <br>     <br> Reference: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.vpcga.com/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=152">http://www.vpcga.com/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=152</a>     <br>     <br>     <br> On 10/9/05 9:33 AM, in article     <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:43494643$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk">43494643$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk</a>, "Dr. Dweeb"     <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com">&lt;NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com&gt;</a> wrote:      <br>     <br>     <br>&     <blockquote type="cite">Gentlemen,
       <br>
       <br>@ I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both incompetant 
       <br>A and corrupt.&nbsp; Someone should sue their scrawny little asses. 
       <br>
       <br>* I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.
       <br>
       <br>F Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5 
       <br> read between 23-28% 
       <br>F I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink.
       <br>
       <br>G After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink. 
       <br>
       <br>! I decided to print the test page. 
       <br>
       <br> Failure - and worse.
       <br>
       <br>L 1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message.&nbsp; This
       <br>4 will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!
       <br>0 2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%
       <br>D 3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet 
       <br> having printed 1 character
       <br>
       <br>B Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot	 print and 
       <br>B I am REALLY pissed off.&nbsp; Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative 
       <br>2 branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise.
       <br>
       <br>J The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me.&nbsp; It is 
       <br>H both amoral and illegal.&nbsp; There is no technical reason for what has
       <br>B happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson
       <br>7 cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right. 
       <br>
       <br>E I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give  up ?
       <br>C Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ? 
       <br>
       <br> Where do I get my money back ?? 
       <br>
       <br>	 Dr. Dweeb 
       <br>
       <br>
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       <br>     </blockquote>      <br>     <br>     <br>   </blockquote> 
 </blockquote>  </body>  </html>   ( --------------060306040308030901020600--   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2005 23:48:29 -0700& From: "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com>3 Subject: Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard? B Message-ID: <1129099709.794504.69760@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  G The Vaxstation 4000 model 90 uses the same pinout as the DEC 3000 M400.    HTH   	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 08:05:36 -0700# From: "H Vlems" <hvlems@freenet.de> 3 Subject: Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard? C Message-ID: <1129129536.186505.176490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @ The VAXstation 2000 is different from the VAXstation 4000-90 (A)E because the dongle also carries the video signal. The VAXstation 2000 B dongle has (IIRC) a DB9 connector at the system bulkhead while the9 4000-90 has a DB15 connector for mouse and keyboard only. D If you cannot find any documentation then I could figure out the pin- lay-out of the VAXstation 4000 cable for you.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:49:03 -0700 ! From: Crabs <Crabs@ihatespam.com> 3 Subject: Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard? 9 Message-ID: <9eidnbFwaczyrdDenZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@sunset.net>    jacob.ritorto@gmail.com wrote:E > I have an old VAX 6250 that seems to be booting and operable, but I I > have no keyboard for it.  Iirc, it takes a keyboard with a db15 plug or G > something like that.  Just wanted to fire it up and see if I remember H > VMS.  If you have one, please reply to jacob.ritorto@gmail.com.  MaybeA > we can work something out for a trade..  Got lotsa pdp11 stuff.  >  > thanks >  > jake >  http://cgi.ebay.com/DIGITAL-DEC-COMPAQ-ALPHA-KEYBOARD-MOUSE-INTERFACE-CABLE_W0QQitemZ5818642676QQcategoryZ1479QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:55:06 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>3 Subject: Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard? + Message-ID: <dijbkr$mvc$1@news01.intel.com>    jacob.ritorto@gmail.com wrote:B > Shoot, mistake in above post:  It's a Vax Station 3520.  Has theE > graphics board, ethernet, etc.  The onboard keyboard connector is a ; > db15 male and requires db15 female plug on keyboard wire.   @      So what you need is an LK201, or the newer LK401, keyboard.B   An LK461, etc., will NOT work since these have a PS-2 connector.C   And, no, sorry, I don't have either an LK201 or LK401 to offer...    	-Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:30:06 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 3 Subject: Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard? 3 Message-ID: <yKb3f.14389$Ou6.8140@news.cpqcorp.net>   c In article <1129073723.378644.311000@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, jacob.ritorto@gmail.com writes: D :I have an old VAX 6250 that seems to be booting and operable, but IH :have no keyboard for it.  Iirc, it takes a keyboard with a db15 plug orF :something like that.  Just wanted to fire it up and see if I rememberG :VMS.  If you have one, please reply to jacob.ritorto@gmail.com.  Maybe @ :we can work something out for a trade..  Got lotsa pdp11 stuff.  C   Firefox is the VAXstation 3520 and VAXstation 3540, and the video A   cable used the then-standard LK201 or compatible keyboard.  The B   connection out to the keyboard and mouse was made via the video D   cable  on various of the systems of this vintage.  17-01864-01 wasG   the cable here for the VCB03, according to my ancient-cable listings.   E   The VAX 6250 is a far larger VAX system, and tended to use a serial F   connection via MMJ or DB25 or whatever serial controller was presentE   in the box, and a serial terminal.  SMP boxes in this series didn't F   tend to have UNIBUS controllers, so the usual connectivity -- beyondC   the console serial line -- was via BI serial controller or via an    external terminal server.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:32:31 GMT - From: Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> 3 Subject: Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves , Message-ID: <j_23f.155807$1i.48357@pd7tw2no>   That is totally incorrect.  G In fact, one of the reasons Epson has been able to get away with their  A chip monitoring system, which requires refilled cartridges to be  E reprogrammed, is because it is promoted as a feature because you can  F remove the cartridge and rental it at a later time WITHOUT losing the H ink level reported.  For instance, let's say you decide you want to put H a fair amount of unsupervised printing while you are asleep.  You might F wish to replace one or more cartridges with fresh ones to be sure you D won't run low on ink during the night.  Then the following day, you F might wish to reinstall the old cartridges to use them up.  Since the G presumed ink levels are recorded within the chip on the cartridge, the  F printer immediately knows the anticipated ink levels.  I use the term I anticipated, because the chip doesn't actually read the amount of ink in  G the cartridge, but rather makes an intelligent estimate based upon the  > number of dots the printer has expressed in any one ink color.     Art        JF Mezei wrote:   
 > Tony wrote:  > Q >>Have you tried using the driver software to change all the cartridges again but 5 >>using the *same* cartrdiges? I have seen this work.  >  >  > I > EPSON cartridges can only be inserted into te printer once. If you take G > a brand new cartridge, put it in printer, then take it out and put it A > back it, it will indicate 0 even though it is full. You need to G > electronically reset the cartridge so it thinks it was never inserted  > into a printer before.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:24:13 GMT - From: Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> 3 Subject: Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves - Message-ID: <xS23f.165909$tl2.24989@pd7tw3no>   E Something went wrong here.  The ink levels on the 5 other cartridges  D should not have dropped to zero unless they were very close to that H prior to your replacing the black cartridges.  Each time a cartridge is I replaced, about 5-10% of all cartridges ink supply is removed, since the  F printer does a purge cycle and cannot run a purge process on only one G cartridge, so instead all the cartridges are equally drained.  If they  D all happened to be fairly low they may have been drained to zero or  there about.  G This is why I'm not keen on individual ink cartridges, since each time  @ one is replaced, all other cartridges lose a fair amount of ink.  D In the end probably the cheapest printer to run is a 4 color (CMYK) $ using ganged cartridges (CMY and K).   Art    Dr. Dweeb wrote:   > Gentlemen, > O > I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both incompetant  > > and corrupt.  Someone should sue their scrawny little asses. > , > I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device. > K > Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5   > read between 23-28% H > I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink. > I > After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.  > # > I decided to print the test page.  >  > Failure - and worse. > O > 1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message.  This  6 > will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!2 > 2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%K > 3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet   > having printed 1 character > O > Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print and  L > I am REALLY pissed off.  Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative 4 > branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise. > N > The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me.  It is F > both amoral and illegal.  There is no technical reason for what has E > happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson  9 > cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.  > L > I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give up ?E > Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?  > ! > Where do I get my money back ??  >  > Dr. Dweeb  >  >    >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:57:41 GMT - From: Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> 3 Subject: Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves - Message-ID: <Vl33f.153397$oW2.78837@pd7tw1no>   E If your printer is still under warranty, I would contact Epson about  I your claim and see what they have to say.  It is very possible there was   a defect in this machine.    Art    Dr. Dweeb wrote:   > Anna Daptor wrote: > < >>"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( >>news:43497EE5.425D1A68@teksavvy.com... >> >>>Tony wrote: >>> > >>>>Have you tried using the driver software to change all the >>>>cartridges again but7 >>>>using the *same* cartrdiges? I have seen this work.  >>>  >>> E >>>EPSON cartridges can only be inserted into te printer once. If you F >>>take a brand new cartridge, put it in printer, then take it out and= >>>put it back it, it will indicate 0 even though it is full.  >>F >>No it won't. Epson carts have a chip that remembers the ink level soG >>you *can* take them out of the printer and it'll know how much ink is " >>in the cart when you replace it. >> >  > J > I am not certain who is correct here, though I have seen others than JF # > mention this somewhere else IIRC.  > N > The printer "decided" that the cartridge was empty rather arbitrarily - the K > final page printed flawlessly.  The % full for the colours seems to dive  N > pretty rapidly, even when the only colour printed was some trivial 10 pixel  > logo.  > L > I think it is a giant scheme of deceit and lies and I am really mad about  > it.  > O > Sadly, like almost everything else in the computer world, no one gives a FF.  L > and there is no where to lodge a complaint.  Well maybe there is - I will N > try during the week to harass support here and see what happens.  I predict  > abject failure.  >  > Dr. Dweeb  >  >  >>>You need toH >>>electronically reset the cartridge so it thinks it was never inserted >>>into a printer before.  >>+ >>That's true if you've refilled the cart.   >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:55:38 GMT - From: Arthur Entlich <e-printerhelp@mvps.org> 3 Subject: Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves - Message-ID: <_j33f.166065$tl2.48867@pd7tw3no>   C In the US and Canada, at least, I have not heard of Epson refusing  G warranty repair due to 3rd party inks being used.  Different countries  D have differing laws regarding the nature of wraranty, so you may be  correct for the UK.    Art    Shooter wrote:  K > This discussion now brings up again that Epson will not honour a warranty H > claim if third party ink is used or can be proved to be used. it is myJ > opinion that if they do not state plainly that other ink can not be usedN > then in the UK there could be room for litigation for misrepresentation as aN > buyer is buying only a printer and is not and should not be tied to OEM ink. > Any views on this. > @ > "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote in message9 > news:43494643$0$78282$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...  >  >>Gentlemen, >>B >>I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both > 
 > incompetant  > > >>and corrupt.  Someone should sue their scrawny little asses. >>, >>I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device. >>J >>Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the other 5 >>read between 23-28% H >>I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from Gold-Ink. >>I >>After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the ink.  >># >>I decided to print the test page.  >> >>Failure - and worse. >>H >>1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah" message. >  > This > 6 >>will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!2 >>2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0%J >>3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not yet >>having printed 1 character >>J >>Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot print >  > and  > K >>I am REALLY pissed off.  Check how much 6 cartridges (even of alternative 4 >>branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise. >>J >>The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me.  It >  > is > E >>both amoral and illegal.  There is no technical reason for what has D >>happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing a non-Epson9 >>cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right.  >>L >>I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I give up ?E >>Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally apprpriate ?  >>! >>Where do I get my money back ??  >> >>Dr. Dweeb  >> >> >> >> >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:49:08 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>R Subject: Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?) ?). Message-ID: <434CEA24.27412.7DECF83@localhost>  + On 12 Oct 2005 at 14:13, John Reagan wrote: F > MB doesn't make memory "visible", it specifies read/write ordering. D > If you have active, multiple threads/processes writing to the sameH > piece of memory and care about what the other thread/process is doing,1 > then you need to use memory barriers as needed.   C Okay, I was being sloppy.  I should have said something like "make  2 the changes to memory visible to other processes".  E Be that as it may, I don't see any sort of memory barrier constructs  D in the Unix code I've looked at.  How are they making global memory  work without them?  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:47:43 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?) ?) ?) ?)  3 Message-ID: <zea3f.14373$4t6.9882@news.cpqcorp.net>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:- > On 12 Oct 2005 at 14:13, John Reagan wrote:  > F >>MB doesn't make memory "visible", it specifies read/write ordering. D >>If you have active, multiple threads/processes writing to the sameH >>piece of memory and care about what the other thread/process is doing,1 >>then you need to use memory barriers as needed.  >  > E > Okay, I was being sloppy.  I should have said something like "make  4 > the changes to memory visible to other processes". > G > Be that as it may, I don't see any sort of memory barrier constructs  F > in the Unix code I've looked at.  How are they making global memory  > work without them? >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com+ > "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"  >  > G You don't need MBs just to make the changes visible.  That happens all  ' by itself.  You need it for things like   & memcpy(shared_data, local_data, size); data_is_available = true;   H where the other process is looping on data_is_available waiting to read D the shared_data.  Without some sort of write ordering, the write to G data_is_available may show up to the other processor before the writes   to the shared_data show up.   G Some language intrinsics or rtl calls include MBs, but not all of them.    --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:13:40 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>Q Subject: Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?)?) 4 Message-ID: <oS83f.14363$nl6.10677@news.cpqcorp.net>   Stanley F. Quayle wrote:  G > But most of the user-mode code I see just assumes that global memory  D > is visible automatically.  Is there something that does MB's on a  > periodic basis?  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com+ > "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"  >  > H MB doesn't make memory "visible", it specifies read/write ordering.  If I you have active, multiple threads/processes writing to the same piece of  G memory and care about what the other thread/process is doing, then you  & need to use memory barriers as needed.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:26:55 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today= Message-ID: <434d0f1e$0$78280$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Z wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: F >> This one is a bit different. Delphi used to be GM. GM spun it off aG >> few years ago (I think 1999). It has struggled since because GM puts D >> price pressure on the products it buys from Delphi, yet Delphi isF >> still straddled with the burdens that GM had agreed to back when it$ >> owned Delphi. (eg: benefits etc). >>D >> Car companies and Wall Mart have long hung suppliers by the neck,B >> trying to extract every penny out of suppliers who are not veryJ >> profitable. In many cases, the drive to be competitive results in largeB >> corporations focusing hardships on a fairly focused area of theC >> corporation and letting the rest keep their comfortable budgets. E >> Often, it is the wrong areas that are asked to make sacrifices and F >> that is simpky because heads of the "good" areas manage to convinceF >> the CEO that they should not be the target of cuts and that the CEO; >> should instead cut budgets of such and such departments.  > C > "The average union worker's wage-and-benefit package at Delphi is * > about $65 an hour, according to Delphi." > ; > The *average* UAW wage and benefits package is *$65/hr*?! C > _SIXTY_FIVE_DOLLARS_PER_HOUR?! That's all anyone needs to know to  > understand the problem.   M Yeah, I read that.  But I was negotiating recently where the company told me  J that for every dollar of salary, there were 46cents in direct, additional L charges the company had to pay (healthcare etc. etc) - not office space and / that sort of stuff, but actual extra $ charges.   - It was Europe, so that speaks enough of that.   4 Anyway, I thought 65 average was pretty high anyway.   Dweeb    > D > ps: Congratulations, UAW, you've killed yet another golden goose.    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2005 13:44:18 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <3r4i9iFhfm5pU1@individual.net>   = In article <434d0f1e$0$78280$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, 6 	"Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> writes:
 > Z wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote:G >>> This one is a bit different. Delphi used to be GM. GM spun it off a H >>> few years ago (I think 1999). It has struggled since because GM putsE >>> price pressure on the products it buys from Delphi, yet Delphi is G >>> still straddled with the burdens that GM had agreed to back when it % >>> owned Delphi. (eg: benefits etc).  >>> E >>> Car companies and Wall Mart have long hung suppliers by the neck, C >>> trying to extract every penny out of suppliers who are not very K >>> profitable. In many cases, the drive to be competitive results in large C >>> corporations focusing hardships on a fairly focused area of the D >>> corporation and letting the rest keep their comfortable budgets.F >>> Often, it is the wrong areas that are asked to make sacrifices andG >>> that is simpky because heads of the "good" areas manage to convince G >>> the CEO that they should not be the target of cuts and that the CEO < >>> should instead cut budgets of such and such departments. >>D >> "The average union worker's wage-and-benefit package at Delphi is+ >> about $65 an hour, according to Delphi."  >>< >> The *average* UAW wage and benefits package is *$65/hr*?!D >> _SIXTY_FIVE_DOLLARS_PER_HOUR?! That's all anyone needs to know to >> understand the problem. > O > Yeah, I read that.  But I was negotiating recently where the company told me  L > that for every dollar of salary, there were 46cents in direct, additional N > charges the company had to pay (healthcare etc. etc) - not office space and 1 > that sort of stuff, but actual extra $ charges.  > / > It was Europe, so that speaks enough of that.   G I have been out of that game for a pretty long time, but I can tell you G that 20 years ago the general rule of thumb was that total compensation G usually equalled twice the salary.  That is, if you were paying someone E $30,000 he was costing the company $60,000.  Considering the rises in E things like healthcare, unemployment, vacation, etc.  I would be very H surprised if that number wasn't, in fact, higher today.  These invisibleI costs were one of the reasons many places relied on temps for things like G clerical workers (and, in our case, even laborers).  I see a resurgence E of the use of temps, and maybe this is the reason why.  I know places E today that use temp services even for professional positions like IT.    > 6 > Anyway, I thought 65 average was pretty high anyway.  G I expect it is more likely to me on the low side accross the whole UAW.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 05:56:34 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com + Subject: Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX C Message-ID: <1129121794.389926.205490@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 B I N G O !!!    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 05:58:27 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com + Subject: Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX C Message-ID: <1129121907.944035.166340@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ; we did the benchmarks on our webserver with purveyor and it  was conclusive ...   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 06:19:38 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX A Message-ID: <1129123178.708611.6950@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:= > we did the benchmarks on our webserver with purveyor and it  > was conclusive ...  D Yeah, but you won't share them so all we have is your word and vague' comments.  Try selling that to the CIO.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 09:01:58 -0700$ From: "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org>Y Subject: Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327 C Message-ID: <1129130398.674834.211180@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:k > In article <1129050313.461461.52920@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:  > J > > Some days us old guys just need to drive the engineers nuts with weirdE > > backwards compatibility issues with 25-year old apps :-).  Yes, I  > > remember PIP for VMS...  > K >    Do you remember VMS DIRECTORY command output in the format of PIP /LI?   D Now that I don't remember...  I remember doing the equivalent of setD file/enter and I remember when set file/enter first appeared (it wasC undocumented and unsupported but I found it by dumping the cld).  I G started with VMS 2.4 (the blue wall) and will end with 7.3.  Sadly, 8.x G will never be installed here due to the failure of the Appletalk stack.   	    .../Ed    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:31:04 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> Y Subject: Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327 8 Message-ID: <d8eqk1tamcppgjf2refuj7h5eaa2j8pm0j@4ax.com>  D On 12 Oct 2005 09:01:58 -0700, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> wrote:   >Bob Koehler wrote: l >> In article <1129050313.461461.52920@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes: >>K >> > Some days us old guys just need to drive the engineers nuts with weird F >> > backwards compatibility issues with 25-year old apps :-).  Yes, I >> > remember PIP for VMS... >>L >>    Do you remember VMS DIRECTORY command output in the format of PIP /LI? > E >Now that I don't remember...  I remember doing the equivalent of set E >file/enter and I remember when set file/enter first appeared (it was D >undocumented and unsupported but I found it by dumping the cld).  IH >started with VMS 2.4 (the blue wall) and will end with 7.3.  Sadly, 8.xH >will never be installed here due to the failure of the Appletalk stack.  D PIP's /EN and /RM switches were the equivalent of set file/enter andJ /remove, iirc.  I also used to like /FR which reported as well as the freeK space, the maximum contiguous space.  It's not all that long ago that disks H got so big this ceased to be so much of an issue (as anyone who has everI tried to add files to a huge directory on a badly-fragmented, nearly-full  disk will know).  J Of course, the real luxury arrived with alphabetical directoy listings.  IG think I even wrote a small program to sort DIR output on a P/OS machine ; after wasting hours not noticing files in strange places...    --  / The F-16. Takes a licking, and takes a licking.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 03:46:12 -0700! From: Tapani.Rundgren@treville.se   Subject: Re: Samba-3 for OpenVMSC Message-ID: <1129113972.324656.276430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi David!   D Distributed Netbeans does not use Windows I/O. It could, but in case8 of file access on OpenVMS server, FTP will do just fine.= And You can "mount" a local drive and then copy files from/to 0 OpenVMS servers, if that is what You need to do.< There are other FTP based products that are intergrated with> Windows I/O but use FTP for transport, WebDrive comes to mind.   /Tapani    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:10:35 +0100 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> R Subject: They're baahaack (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?)5 Message-ID: <diinke$h1r$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au>    Hi,   G On the 10/10/05 at some God-forsaken hour, arne@vajhoej.dk wrote mainly 	 bollocks.   > > No COM+ => no 2 phase commit, no components with declarative > transactions etc. in .NET !   J You can have 2PC between any resource manager under the control of MTS/DTCK (eg SQL Server) on the W2K side, and any resource manager under the control I of DECdtm on the VMS side (which should include Orrible Oracle via the XA G Veneer, but most certainly does include Rdb and RMS) TODAY!!! (Alpha or D VAX). And *NO* additional software is required on the W2K side, just standard Windows APIs.  K hotTIP does it now! (with or without Tier3) and does it bloody well. Let me 5 now if you'd like an evaluation copy of the software.   K If you'd like to know why HP isn't all over this then please take it upwith  your sales rep.    Regards Richard Maher   G PS. Talking about Whinging-Poms for a moment, just what is it with this K weather in Perth these days??? I've got 2 thick (Tog 20?) duvets on and all I the air-conditioning in the world but no bloody central-heating :-( We've E been here a month and have had five sunny days to talk about and it's H mid-OCTOBER. Now that the pool's clean, the kids (hardened to an EnglishJ summer) have jumped in, but I haven't been anywhere without my ski-jacket. What's gone wrong?  H And forget the crap about spiders and snakes and sharks, the real killerH here is bindy-weed! And I've poured about a hundred bucks of weed-killerI onto the Bridgeworks-version of a lawn that is here, only to have it rain K within twelve hours every bloody time :-( Anyway, I'm sure it'll be too hot 
 soon. PLEASE.   L BTW. If you know of any VMS/Rdb development/consultancy roles going anywhereJ in Oz at the moment then please let me know. (Not that Agents don't have aF part to play but I haven't had to deal with one for 14 years and wouldL prefer not to break the habit :-) They're are at least 3 pozzys on the go atK the moment that match my skills but we are just ships passing in the night.   0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message6 news:434aaf9c$0$90349$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk... > Main, Kerry wrote:I > > My understanding (hence, not official) is that since Microsoft COM is H > > ancient history i.e. legacy, (Microsoft statement), it does not make6 > > much sense to port those legacy pieces to Itanium. > . > .NET Enterprise Services still rely on COM+. > > > No COM+ => no 2 phase commit, no components with declarative > transactions etc. in .NET !  >  > Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:17:36 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>Y Subject: Re: They're baahaack (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) It = Message-ID: <kh63f.107183$RW.38026@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Richard Maher wrote:   > I > PS. Talking about Whinging-Poms for a moment, just what is it with this M > weather in Perth these days??? I've got 2 thick (Tog 20?) duvets on and all K > the air-conditioning in the world but no bloody central-heating :-( We've G > been here a month and have had five sunny days to talk about and it's J > mid-OCTOBER. Now that the pool's clean, the kids (hardened to an EnglishL > summer) have jumped in, but I haven't been anywhere without my ski-jacket. > What's gone wrong?  G Nothing. That's perfectly normal October weather in Perth, Scotland :-)    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:22:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: VMS logo feedback needed , Message-ID: <434CE3F5.82D01BF5@teksavvy.com>  2 I have made some progress with the VMS logo image.   The first attempt was at: / http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/pastille.jpg    The updated version is at:0 http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/pastille2.jpg  + It is much improved but not yet fully done.   F I still need to work on the lighting for the bottom section. I need toH illuminate the bottom angled section without wrecking the shadows on theF flat section or whiting out the platinum material on the bottom.  (not% sure yet where that is coming from).      A Someone mentioned coffee mugs and t-shirts. Can anyone provide me F information on how big an image (in pixels) shops want for coffee mugs and t-shirts ?  E Also, based on the few comments received, I will not attempt to affix  the HP logo.  G I'll also want to experiment a bit with the gold look. If I can make an > environmen map, I may be able to give the OpenVMS letters moreE refectivity to give them a more realistic shiny/reflective gold look. W (no garantees on that, the software I am using lacks proper reflectivity capabilities).    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 03:56:44 -0700# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> % Subject: Re: VMS logo feedback needed C Message-ID: <1129114604.048895.108870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   = >   I'd raher see a flying window smashed between it's teeth.   F Or, for a bit of surrealism, have the shark smashing a M$-style window as it swims through it.   & Perhaps with a penguin in its mouth...   :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:22:44 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>% Subject: Re: VMS logo feedback needed < Message-ID: <E683f.1215$Sg2.177775@twister.southeast.rr.com>  C Looks good JF. Would the Great White look bigger with smaller eyes?   . Check out Cafe Press, http://www.cafepress.com  K When I get tshirts/mugs/mouse pads done I used images that were 200 pixels  9 +/- wide.  They may have made adjustments I'm unaware of.   M I can get some test tshirts/mugs/mouse pads made if the guy is still around.  M Let me know if interested.  I'll try to contact him today and follow-up with   you.   Ken   % _____________________________________  Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 3 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  HP OpenVMS News and Info                ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:434CE3F5.82D01BF5@teksavvy.com...3 >I have made some progress with the VMS logo image.  >  > The first attempt was at: 1 > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/pastille.jpg  >  > The updated version is at:2 > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/pastille2.jpg > - > It is much improved but not yet fully done.  > H > I still need to work on the lighting for the bottom section. I need toJ > illuminate the bottom angled section without wrecking the shadows on theH > flat section or whiting out the platinum material on the bottom.  (not& > sure yet where that is coming from). >  > C > Someone mentioned coffee mugs and t-shirts. Can anyone provide me H > information on how big an image (in pixels) shops want for coffee mugs > and t-shirts ? > G > Also, based on the few comments received, I will not attempt to affix  > the HP logo. > I > I'll also want to experiment a bit with the gold look. If I can make an @ > environmen map, I may be able to give the OpenVMS letters moreG > refectivity to give them a more realistic shiny/reflective gold look. K > (no garantees on that, the software I am using lacks proper reflectivity   > capabilities).     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:02:16 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> % Subject: Re: VMS logo feedback needed I Message-ID: <8660a3a10510120902t69ee9880xacba6544a795acee@mail.gmail.com>   B On 10/12/05, Kenneth Farmer <kfarmer@nospam.spyderbyte.com> wrote:E > Looks good JF. Would the Great White look bigger with smaller eyes?  > 0 > Check out Cafe Press, http://www.cafepress.com > L > When I get tshirts/mugs/mouse pads done I used images that were 200 pixel= s ; > +/- wide.  They may have made adjustments I'm unaware of.  > L > I can get some test tshirts/mugs/mouse pads made if the guy is still arou= nd. L > Let me know if interested.  I'll try to contact him today and follow-up w= ith  > you. >  > Ken  > ' > _____________________________________ ! > Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 5 > www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  > HP OpenVMS News and Info >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:434CE3F5.82D01BF5@teksavvy.com...5 > >I have made some progress with the VMS logo image.  > >  > > The first attempt was at: 3 > > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/pastille.jpg  > >  > > The updated version is at:4 > > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/pastille2.jpg > > / > > It is much improved but not yet fully done.  > > J > > I still need to work on the lighting for the bottom section. I need toL > > illuminate the bottom angled section without wrecking the shadows on th= e J > > flat section or whiting out the platinum material on the bottom.  (not( > > sure yet where that is coming from). > >  > > E > > Someone mentioned coffee mugs and t-shirts. Can anyone provide me J > > information on how big an image (in pixels) shops want for coffee mugs > > and t-shirts ? > > I > > Also, based on the few comments received, I will not attempt to affix  > > the HP logo. > > K > > I'll also want to experiment a bit with the gold look. If I can make an B > > environmen map, I may be able to give the OpenVMS letters moreI > > refectivity to give them a more realistic shiny/reflective gold look. L > > (no garantees on that, the software I am using lacks proper reflectivit= y  > > capabilities). >  >  >   F The specs differ depend on what product is involved- they're available& on the CafePress website, as I recall.  	 BTW, jf--   G did you ever put up the Alphapowered "pixellated cat" logos I sent you?    Regards,   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 12:05:08 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> % Subject: Re: VMS logo feedback needed I Message-ID: <8660a3a10510120905m79f0cf9cq82dfd767ef32fd07@mail.gmail.com>   B On 10/12/05, Kenneth Farmer <kfarmer@nospam.spyderbyte.com> wrote:E > Looks good JF. Would the Great White look bigger with smaller eyes?  > 0 > Check out Cafe Press, http://www.cafepress.com > L > When I get tshirts/mugs/mouse pads done I used images that were 200 pixel= s ; > +/- wide.  They may have made adjustments I'm unaware of.  > L > I can get some test tshirts/mugs/mouse pads made if the guy is still arou= nd. L > Let me know if interested.  I'll try to contact him today and follow-up w= ith  > you. >  > Ken  > ' > _____________________________________ ! > Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 5 > www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  > HP OpenVMS News and Info >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:434CE3F5.82D01BF5@teksavvy.com...5 > >I have made some progress with the VMS logo image.  > >  > > The first attempt was at: 3 > > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/pastille.jpg  > >  > > The updated version is at:4 > > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/shark/pastille2.jpg > > / > > It is much improved but not yet fully done.  > > J > > I still need to work on the lighting for the bottom section. I need toL > > illuminate the bottom angled section without wrecking the shadows on th= e J > > flat section or whiting out the platinum material on the bottom.  (not( > > sure yet where that is coming from). > >  > > E > > Someone mentioned coffee mugs and t-shirts. Can anyone provide me J > > information on how big an image (in pixels) shops want for coffee mugs > > and t-shirts ? > > I > > Also, based on the few comments received, I will not attempt to affix  > > the HP logo. > > K > > I'll also want to experiment a bit with the gold look. If I can make an B > > environmen map, I may be able to give the OpenVMS letters moreI > > refectivity to give them a more realistic shiny/reflective gold look. L > > (no garantees on that, the software I am using lacks proper reflectivit= y  > > capabilities). >  >  > A Last time I looked (and this *is* from memory), the graphic specs - differ depending on what product is involved-   2 they're listed on the CafePress website someplace.  	 BTW, jf--   G did you ever put up the Alphapowered "pixellated cat" logos I sent you?    Regards,   WWWebb   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 06:05:20 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 4 Subject: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?C Message-ID: <1129122320.288096.261850@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D Okay, this isn't going to be easy, but let me try.  Just don't shootF the messenger, okay?  First of all, the basic misunderstanding here isD that when Bob is saying the "VMS Kernel" he is NOT talking about theD actual VMS kernel (It's cluttered, but some of the clips do mean theE VMS Kernel, but these are by other people). What I am interpreting he A meas is that TCPware has a kernel that was basically written from B scratch (i.e. not ported from BSD, Tru64, OS/F, etc) using the VMSB run-time library calls therefor using the VMS "kernel" API's.  TheG assumption is that UCX/TCPIP and Multinet having borrowed their kernels C from U*IX have their code calling the standard C library functions, D which, on VMS then call the VMS RTLS, thereby adding a layer of codeE and losing some "crispyness" and perhaps some performance.  That's my C interpretation.  I can see where Bob is coming from but I won't say 0 I'll agree without some hard benchmarking proof.   John H. Reinhardt      Reply   * 16. b...@instantwhip.com   Oct 12, 8:56 am  
 B I N G O !!!      Reply   * 17. b...@instantwhip.com   Oct 12, 8:58 am  ; we did the benchmarks on our webserver with purveyor and it  was conclusive ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:11:08 -0400 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> T Subject: [Fwd: Rules of thumb (was:Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today)]( Message-ID: <434D43AC.70001@comcast.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  I > I have been out of that game for a pretty long time, but I can tell you I > that 20 years ago the general rule of thumb was that total compensation I > usually equalled twice the salary.  That is, if you were paying someone G > $30,000 he was costing the company $60,000.  Considering the rises in G > things like healthcare, unemployment, vacation, etc.  I would be very J > surprised if that number wasn't, in fact, higher today.  These invisibleK > costs were one of the reasons many places relied on temps for things like I > clerical workers (and, in our case, even laborers).  I see a resurgence G > of the use of temps, and maybe this is the reason why.  I know places G > today that use temp services even for professional positions like IT.  >   E In this NG, the use of "rules of thumb" are actively discouraged as a F means to solve system performance issues (back on-topic, finally).	:-)  A Why would anyone advocate such usage as a means to "solve" worker  performance issues?	:-)    > 6 >>Anyway, I thought 65 average was pretty high anyway. > I > I expect it is more likely to me on the low side accross the whole UAW.  >   B I'm beginning to suspect that such claims about the "true" cost ofF workers is rapidly approaching the status of "urban myth".  Can anyone/ clearly cite statistics that _prove_ otherwise?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.570 ************************