1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 13 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 571       Contents:8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)* Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard?* Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard?D Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1?/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today  Re: HP Forum location  Re: HP Forum location  RE: HP Forum location " Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX" Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX" Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX Re: Samba-3 for OpenVMS  TCP/IP NFS-mount Re: TCP/IP NFS-mountP Re: They're baahaack (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported toItanium ?) toI Re: VMS logo feedback needed Re: VMS logo feedback needed/ Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from? / Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from? 1 Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? 1 Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? 1 Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ? 6 [Fwd: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?]: Re: [Fwd: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?]: Re: [Fwd: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?]: Re: [Fwd: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?]P [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Rules of thumb (was:Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march toP Re: [Fwd: Rules of thumb (was:Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today)]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:15:39 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) B Message-ID: <1129148140.ba8022fa6f87f1f9685d4437ad947100@teranews>  < On 10/12/2005 12:11:37 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:  . > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.( > --------------060306040308030901020600; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    > *D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE*      > * > --------------060306040308030901020600--  C Using MIME in a newsgroup is the true meaning of bullshit exchange.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:45:53 -0700  From: Frank <fb@notspam.com>A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) , Message-ID: <QBe3f.3730$gj1.1089@fed1read05>   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > > > On 10/12/2005 12:11:37 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote: >  > . >>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.( >>--------------060306040308030901020600; >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ! >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  >  >  >>*D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE*  >  >  > * >>--------------060306040308030901020600-- >  > E > Using MIME in a newsgroup is the true meaning of bullshit exchange.   / Measershithead is the true meaning of sewerage.  Frank    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:59:41 GMT $ From: measekite <inkystinky@oem.com>A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) : Message-ID: <hHf3f.651$dO2.536@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>   Frank wrote:   > Wayne Sewell wrote:  >  >>? >> On 10/12/2005 12:11:37 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:  >> >>0 >>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.* >>> --------------060306040308030901020600= >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed # >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  >> >> >> >>> *D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE*  >> >> >> >>, >>> --------------060306040308030901020600-- >> >> >>F >> Using MIME in a newsgroup is the true meaning of bullshit exchange. >  > $ > I an the true meaning of sewerage. > Frank    AND SHIT TOO   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:35:27 -0700  From: Jon <jon@imnohere.co> A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) + Message-ID: <75h3f.3933$gj1.662@fed1read05>    measekite wrote: >  >  > Frank wrote: >  >> Wayne Sewell wrote: >> >>> @ >>> On 10/12/2005 12:11:37 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote: >>>  >>> 1 >>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. + >>>> --------------060306040308030901020600 > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed$ >>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>> *D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE* >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>> - >>>> --------------060306040308030901020600--  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>> G >>> Using MIME in a newsgroup is the true meaning of bullshit exchange.  >> >> >>% >> I an the true meaning of sewerage.  >> Frank >  >  > AND SHIT TOO  F I only lurk here but I tend to agree with others assessment of you. I E see that every time someone post something you will go in and change  G their post. What is that all about. Are you too limited that you can't  @ come up your own original posting. Or else you post in all caps 9 something that is totally meaningless and very obnoxious. E Don't bother to answer me cause I am going to take others advice and  E kill file you. I just found out how to do that. I have had enough of  7 your no help answers and useless waste of my bandwidth.  jon    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:00:08 GMT $ From: measekite <inkystinky@oem.com>A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) < Message-ID: <ski3f.2214$7h7.1486@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>   Frank wrote:   > Jon wrote: >  >> measekite wrote:  >> >>>  >>>  >>> Frank wrote: >>>  >>>> Wayne Sewell wrote: >>>> >>>>> B >>>>> On 10/12/2005 12:11:37 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote: >>>>>  >>>>> 3 >>>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - >>>>>> --------------060306040308030901020600 @ >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed& >>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>> *D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE* >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> / >>>>>> --------------060306040308030901020600--  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>> I >>>>> Using MIME in a newsgroup is the true meaning of bullshit exchange.  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>' >>>> I an the true meaning of sewerage. 
 >>>> Frank >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>> AND SHIT TOO >> >> >>I >> I only lurk here but I tend to agree with others assessment of you. I  H >> see that every time someone post something you will go in and change D >> their post. What is that all about. Are you too limited that you I >> can't come up your own original posting. Or else you post in all caps  < >> something that is totally meaningless and very obnoxious.H >> Don't bother to answer me cause I am going to take others advice and H >> kill file you. I just found out how to do that. I have had enough of : >> your no help answers and useless waste of my bandwidth. >> jon >  > E > Good idea. Everyone should kill file my stupid ass then I can only  
 > talk to me.  > Frank    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:04:29 GMT % From: Roger Ivie <rivie@ridgenet.net> 3 Subject: Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard? 3 Message-ID: <slrndkqr2d.r58.rivie@Stench.no.domain>   1 On 2005-10-12, H Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> wrote: B > The VAXstation 2000 is different from the VAXstation 4000-90 (A)G > because the dongle also carries the video signal. The VAXstation 2000 D > dongle has (IIRC) a DB9 connector at the system bulkhead while the; > 4000-90 has a DB15 connector for mouse and keyboard only. F > If you cannot find any documentation then I could figure out the pin/ > lay-out of the VAXstation 4000 cable for you.   A The 2000 has a DB-25 for the printer, a DB-9 for the console, and C a DB-15 for video, keyboard, and mouse. Well, except I think "DB-9" F should actually be "DE-9" and I'm not sure what "DB-15" should be (theB B refers to the size of the connector, so a DB-9 would be the size" of a DB-25, but only have 9 pins). --  
 Roger Ivie rivie@ridgenet.net http://anachronda.webhop.org/  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- 
 Version: 3.12 H GCS/P d- s:+++ a+ C++ UB--(++++) !P L- !E W++ N++ o-- K w O- M+ V+++ PS+? PE++ Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X-- R tv++ b++ DI+++ D+ G e++ h--- r+++ z+++   ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 13:34:03 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> 3 Subject: Re: Anyone have a firefox (6520) keyboard? A Message-ID: <1129149243.049724.9490@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Roger Ivie wrote: 3 > On 2005-10-12, H Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> wrote: D > > The VAXstation 2000 is different from the VAXstation 4000-90 (A)I > > because the dongle also carries the video signal. The VAXstation 2000 F > > dongle has (IIRC) a DB9 connector at the system bulkhead while the= > > 4000-90 has a DB15 connector for mouse and keyboard only. H > > If you cannot find any documentation then I could figure out the pin1 > > lay-out of the VAXstation 4000 cable for you.  > C > The 2000 has a DB-25 for the printer, a DB-9 for the console, and E > a DB-15 for video, keyboard, and mouse. Well, except I think "DB-9" H > should actually be "DE-9" and I'm not sure what "DB-15" should be (theD > B refers to the size of the connector, so a DB-9 would be the size$ > of a DB-25, but only have 9 pins).  G The 9 pin RS232 connector is a DB-9. The 15 pin (3 rows of 5) connector  is an HD-15.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:01:39 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)M Subject: Re: Auto-disabling screen saver on Alpha VMS V7.3-2, DWMOTIF V1.3-1? 2 Message-ID: <05101300013975_20200274@antinode.org>  + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com>   K > MPlayer has some code that turns off the screensaver.  Wanna bet that is   > your culprit?   A    You win.  In normal operation, it apparently disables and then D re-enables the screen saver/waster, so it normally works just fine. D However, if the user whacks the window, it apparently aborts withoutF getting to the re-enable step, and that's what caused the trouble.  As  usual, everything's complicated.  E    If it already has an exit handler, it could use one more step.  If  not, it could use one.      Well, that was educational.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:59:41 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <434DB17D.FB467F09@comcast.net>    Z wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote: K > > This one is a bit different. Delphi used to be GM. GM spun it off a few J > > years ago (I think 1999). It has struggled since because GM puts priceE > > pressure on the products it buys from Delphi, yet Delphi is still G > > straddled with the burdens that GM had agreed to back when it owned  > > Delphi. (eg: benefits etc).  > > L > > Car companies and Wall Mart have long hung suppliers by the neck, tryingH > > to extract every penny out of suppliers who are not very profitable. > > L > > In many cases, the drive to be competitive results in large corporationsF > > focusing hardships on a fairly focused area of the corporation andK > > letting the rest keep their comfortable budgets. Often, it is the wrong L > > areas that are asked to make sacrifices and that is simpky because headsJ > > of the "good" areas manage to convince the CEO that they should not beJ > > the target of cuts and that the CEO should instead cut budgets of such > > and such departments.  > I > "The average union worker's wage-and-benefit package at Delphi is about $ > $65 an hour, according to Delphi." > ; > The *average* UAW wage and benefits package is *$65/hr*?! C > _SIXTY_FIVE_DOLLARS_PER_HOUR?! That's all anyone needs to know to  > understand the problem.   C Not exactly. If the LOWEST paid worker was making the equivalent of C $135,000 a year, not only would the average be higher, the top-paid A workers wouldlike making hundreds of millions to make the average  balance out.  E Remember also that this includes benefits. Their actual gross earning  are considerably less.  C > ps: Congratulations, UAW, you've killed yet another golden goose.   7 If the goose was truly "golden" it would have survived.   F ...and considering that the top executives probably get the equivalentG of tens of thousands per hour, you're likely barking up the wrong tree.  Blame the greedy exec.'s first.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:03:43 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today* Message-ID: <434DB26F.5267D12@comcast.net>   Z wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote: J > > I doubt UAW had anything to do with it. Blame management first for notL > > being able to "make it work". Other companies do, they should have, too. > I > You doubt that Delphi paying UAW monkeys $130 THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR 4 > in total compensation had anything to do with it?! >  > You're joking, right?   D No, but I'm certain you are. Remember: as mentioned in another post,E that's an *AVERAGE* value. Averages are easily skewed by values which < are well out of profile compared to the "bell" of the curve.  E Seriously: what is the source of your vendetta? Were you screwed by a C union? Lost a good job when management refused to negotiate in good C faith with a collective bargaining agent? What's your problem, son?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:26:47 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>  Subject: Re: HP Forum locationD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0510121725530.1829@localhost.localdomain>  ! On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, FredK wrote:   D > All computers and no play makes it attractive to hold a convention > in Saskatoon in February ;-)  4 I *like* Saskatoon in February.  It's almost spring!     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:39:31 -0400 * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: HP Forum location, Message-ID: <434dc8e4$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  2 "Rob Brown" <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote in message> news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0510121725530.1829@localhost.localdomain...# > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, FredK wrote:  > F > > All computers and no play makes it attractive to hold a convention  > > in Saskatoon in February ;-) > 6 > I *like* Saskatoon in February.  It's almost spring! >  >   2 Saskatoon is no Regina, heck it's no Moose Jaw ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:51:10 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: HP Forum locationR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C355@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: FredK [mailto:fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com]=20! > Sent: October 12, 2005 10:40 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: Re: HP Forum location >=204 > "Rob Brown" <mylastname@gmcl.com> wrote in message@ > news:Pine.LNX.4.61.0510121725530.1829@localhost.localdomain...% > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, FredK wrote:  > > H > > > All computers and no play makes it attractive to hold a convention" > > > in Saskatoon in February ;-) > > 8 > > I *like* Saskatoon in February.  It's almost spring! > >  > >  >=204 > Saskatoon is no Regina, heck it's no Moose Jaw ;-) >=20 >=20   Smile for the day ..  D Reminds me of old joke about 2 Americans flying in a small plane getF caught up in a major storm and get completely and totally lost - blown way, way of course.   H They emerge from the storm clouds and are barely able to land on a smallD field. Not having any clue whatsoever where they are, they decide toH walk across the field where they see a farmer on a tractor and decide to ask him where they are.   - "Saskatoon, Saskatchewan" replies the farmer.   G The one American looks back in panic at his friend and says "Oh my god, & they don't even speak English here!!!"   :-)    Regards    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 15:48:34 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com + Subject: Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX B Message-ID: <1129157314.806861.45210@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  * if the ceo is too stupid to act on another( users experiences and test himself, then& he deserves to run slow ... tcpware is available on a trial basis ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:08:00 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX + Message-ID: <434DB370.DA290965@comcast.net>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > , > if the ceo is too stupid to act on another* > users experiences and test himself, then( > he deserves to run slow ... tcpware is  > available on a trial basis ...  F Actually, since CxO's lead the pack among WhineBloze addicts, the wise@ are the ones who will break from the pack and dare to strive for excellence.   G Doing what everone else does and getting what everyone else gets is the C antithesis of excellence, rather it's the DEFINITION of mediocrity.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:13:00 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: Migrating from Multinet to UCX + Message-ID: <434DB49C.274F7C9B@comcast.net>   ! "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > Bob Blum wrote:  > > > K > > > Gee, I see no reason not to migrate away from Multinet... to TCPware. ( > > > <Cheshire cat grin fully implied>. > > > K > > > Seriously, though, I am not aware of any automatic method, unless (as K > > > you are asking) someone has already done this before. Since it is not L > > > a trivial matter, and I would hope an infrequent event, chances are noL > > > one has taken the time to write an automatic or semi-automatic method. > > > 2 > > > That being said, I would ask some questions: > > >  > >>C > > >         * What other applications use Multinet (like Oracle)?  > > K > > Oracle, MQ Series, application middleware and the application front-end 	 > > tier.  > >  > I > Unfortunately if you have a network related problem and tell Oracle you E > are using anything except TCPIP Services for VMS they will tell you H > sorry for your luck.  HP's stack is the only offically supported stack
 > for Oracle.  > J > > > The answers to these should at least give you the direction to go to > > > perform it manually. > > ? > > Surprisingly little of the above figures into the scenario.  > > 4 > > So far, MQ Series looks like it works just fine. > > 6 > > Opinions are that Oracle should not need a reLINK. > >  > G > Probably not... Just depends how similar Multinet's and TCPIP's RTL'S " > are.  I haven't checked in ages.  E I believe PSC works quite closely with UCX Engineering to ensure that 8 their UCX emulation API is 100% compatible, bug-for-bug.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:17:06 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Samba-3 for OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <434DB591.11DC4FBD@comcast.net>   " Tapani.Rundgren@treville.se wrote: >  > Hi David!  > F > Distributed Netbeans does not use Windows I/O. It could, but in case: > of file access on OpenVMS server, FTP will do just fine.? > And You can "mount" a local drive and then copy files from/to 2 > OpenVMS servers, if that is what You need to do.> > There are other FTP based products that are intergrated with@ > Windows I/O but use FTP for transport, WebDrive comes to mind.  E Unfortunately, as was dicussed here in another thread some time back, C SMB provides more than upload/download capability. Remote files are B opened by applications as if they were locally resident, providing1 record-level access which is beyond scope of FTP.   H ...unless there have been advances in FTP of which I am not aware (quite likely, actually).  G The other thread included a discussion of the possibility of developing G a FAL service for TCP/IP (DECnet people will understand the reference).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 11:52:13 -0700 From: "Bendix" <br@b-riis.dk>  Subject: TCP/IP NFS-mount C Message-ID: <1129143133.326479.189620@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi, can anyone help.  ; I'm trying to nfs-mount in tcpip with the following result. C Why dosn't it work this time, I have followed the same procedure on 8 several newly installed systems to check that nfs works.= I can't figure out what the errormessage is trying to tell me   < -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node  = I can't find any further information in the logfiles for nfs.  So what is going on?   BendixD -------------------------------------------------------------------- TCPIP> sh vers  5   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V5.1 )   on a VAX 4000-100A running OpenVMS V7.1    TCPIP> TCPIP> show map "             Dynamic Filesystem Map; Pathname                                Logical File System   2 /test                                   $3$DKA300:
 TCPIP> sh exp   1 File System                             Host name   & /test/data                           *0                               Options:  Typeless   TCPIP> sh proxy   ; VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name   3 NOBODY            ON             -2          -2   * 0 TCPIP> mount dnfs: /host=vax1 /path="/test/data"< %TCPIP$DNFSMOUNT-E-MOUNTFAIL, error mounting _DNFS5:[000000]< -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node TCPIP>   UAF> sh nobody  A Username: NOBODY                           Owner:  SYSTEM MANAGER C Account:  SYSTEM                           UIC:    [1,4] ([SYSTEM]) < CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES Default:  SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] LGICMD:   LOGIN.COM  Flags:# Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri + Secondary days:                     Sat Sun  No access restrictionsD Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  8   Login Fails:     0> Pwdlifetime:           (none)    Pwdchange:  20-SEP-2005 11:03> Last Login: 23-SEP-2005 10:26 (interactive),            (none) (non-interactive) 9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       300  Bytlm:        32768 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:        40  JTquota:       4096 9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:        40  WSdef:          256 9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:        50  WSquo:          512 9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        30  WSextent:      2048 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:       300  Pgflquo:      40960  Authorized Privileges:D   ACNT      ALLSPOOL  ALTPRI    AUDIT     BUGCHK    BYPASS    CMEXEC CMKRNLD   IMPERSONATDIAGNOSE  DOWNGRADE EXQUOTA   GROUP     GRPNAM    GRPPRV IMPORTD   LOG_IO    MOUNT     NETMBX    OPER      PFNMAP    PHY_IO    PRMCEB PRMGBLC   PRMMBX    PSWAPM    READALL   SECURITY  SETPRV    SHARE     SHMEM  SYSGBLC   SYSLCK    SYSNAM    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    UPGRADE   VOLPRO    WORLD  Default Privileges: D   ACNT      ALLSPOOL  ALTPRI    AUDIT     BUGCHK    BYPASS    CMEXEC CMKRNLD   IMPERSONATDIAGNOSE  DOWNGRADE EXQUOTA   GROUP     GRPNAM    GRPPRV IMPORTD   LOG_IO    MOUNT     NETMBX    OPER      PFNMAP    PHY_IO    PRMCEB PRMGBLC   PRMMBX    PSWAPM    READALL   SECURITY  SETPRV    SHARE     SHMEM  SYSGBLC   SYSLCK    SYSNAM    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    UPGRADE   VOLPRO    WORLD    UAF> sh tcpip$nobody  ? Username: TCPIP$NOBODY                     Owner:  TCPIP$NOBODY ; Account:  TCPIP                            UIC:    [3375,2]  ([TCPIP,TCPIP$NOBODY ])< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES& Default:  SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$NOBODY] LGICMD:   LOGIN  Flags:  Restricted# Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri + Secondary days:                     Sat Sun F Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222F Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123F Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######F Batch:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Local:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Remote:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------D Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     0> Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired)> Last Login:            (none) (interactive),            (none) (non-interactive) 9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:        50  Bytlm:        52200 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:        18  JTquota:       4096 9 Prclm:           2  DIOlm:        18  WSdef:          350 9 Prio:            8  ASTlm:       100  WSquo:          512 9 Queprio:         4  TQElm:        15  WSextent:       512 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:       100  Pgflquo:      10240  Authorized Privileges:   NETMBX    TMPMBX Default Privileges:    NETMBX    TMPMBX   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:16:33 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: TCP/IP NFS-mount . Message-ID: <dijqv1$ej0$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Bendix" <br@b-riis.dk> writes in article <1129143133.326479.189620@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> dated 12 Oct 2005 11:52:13 -0700:  >Hi, can anyone help.  > < >I'm trying to nfs-mount in tcpip with the following result.D >Why dosn't it work this time, I have followed the same procedure on9 >several newly installed systems to check that nfs works. > >I can't figure out what the errormessage is trying to tell me > = >-SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node   D I believe that means that the UID/GID/IPaddress combination is beingL rejected by the remote server.  Have you checked the logfiles on the server?  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:14:18 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: They're baahaack (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported toItanium ?) toI , Message-ID: <434D6E99.5606D0E3@teksavvy.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  >  > Richard Maher wrote: >  > > K > > PS. Talking about Whinging-Poms for a moment, just what is it with this O > > weather in Perth these days??? I've got 2 thick (Tog 20?) duvets on and all   I > Nothing. That's perfectly normal October weather in Perth, Scotland :-)     $ Or Perth Ontario for that matter....   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:19:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: VMS logo feedback needed , Message-ID: <434D6FDE.66D0E175@teksavvy.com>   William Webb wrote: I > did you ever put up the Alphapowered "pixellated cat" logos I sent you?     F The problem is that the alphapowered image was not good enough qualityF to trace intelligently. The dots were fuzzy and their shape not clear.@ I'd need something that was clearer. (the dots were not square).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:57:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: VMS logo feedback needed , Message-ID: <434D78B2.486D7650@teksavvy.com>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:  > E > Looks good JF. Would the Great White look bigger with smaller eyes?   D Vernon's eyes were done last year... you should have complained back then :-) :-) :-)  H However, I do plan a revision this fall to fix one line.  Should the eye really be reduced ?     0 > Check out Cafe Press, http://www.cafepress.com  F Blank page on netscape. But Was able to get something out via Mosaic. A (validator.w3.org found about 200 html errors on the front page).   D So they basically want 300dpi for printing.  For an 8** inch image , that would be 2400*2400.      N > I can get some test tshirts/mugs/mouse pads made if the guy is still around.N > Let me know if interested.  I'll try to contact him today and follow-up with > you.    > How would you normally function ? Get a big batch done ? Or doF print-on-demand whenever you have an order  you get thenm to produce a4 mug or t-shirt or polo shirt and have them ship it ?   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 11:32:53 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 8 Subject: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?C Message-ID: <1129141973.580047.216080@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   > we did them with our web apps and a stopwatch and did not keep= them ... we pitted tcpware againset both ucx and multinet and  both got beat ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:18:05 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?+ Message-ID: <434DB5CD.F7F0CF64@comcast.net>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > @ > we did them with our web apps and a stopwatch and did not keep? > them ... we pitted tcpware againset both ucx and multinet and  > both got beat ...   , Not sure the "jury" is gonna buy that one...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:31:06 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>: Subject: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?< Message-ID: <434d5661$0$90334$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk>   Tom M wrote:K > Looks like it is basically an interpreter, so performance is likely poor.   3 It is not a classic interpreter but a JIT compiler.   # The MS runtimes performs excellent.    Mono performs usable.   N > The porting guide for Mono talks about needing a code generator for the JIT,% > so porting it would be non-trivial.   3 Mono is already ported to IA-64, so the instruction  set is not a problem.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:52:48 -0500 ' From: "Tom M" <kryios@spam.comcast.net> : Subject: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?0 Message-ID: <KLqdnahiVrjIItDeRVn-uw@comcast.com>  0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message6 news:434d5661$0$90334$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk... > Tom M wrote:G > > Looks like it is basically an interpreter, so performance is likely  poor.  > 5 > It is not a classic interpreter but a JIT compiler.  >   J I didn't get the impression that the compiler generates machine code, so I> wonder how much better it performs that a good IL interpreter.  % > The MS runtimes performs excellent.  >    Yes    > Mono performs usable.  > K > > The porting guide for Mono talks about needing a code generator for the  JIT,' > > so porting it would be non-trivial.  > 5 > Mono is already ported to IA-64, so the instruction  > set is not a problem.  >   % I was thinking in terms of the Alpha.   J (Remember you are posting on comp.os.vms where it is forbidden to refer toE IA-64 in a positive manner.  Be careful or you'll draw the ire of the  thought police).   Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:52:25 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?, Message-ID: <434DCBCD.BD1593A5@teksavvy.com>   Tom M wrote:  L > I didn't get the impression that the compiler generates machine code, so I? > wonder how much better it performs that a good IL interpreter     H When you consider that the IA64 thing expects the compiler to do much ofG the optimisation work and prepare/order instructions for most efficient D execution, how do Java and other interpretors perform on IA64 versus= conventional architectures that have smarter CPUs in terms of  optimisations ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:00:19 -0400 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> ? Subject: [Fwd: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?] * Message-ID: <434D5D43.2050401@comcast.net>  @ > we did them with our web apps and a stopwatch and did not keep? > them ... we pitted tcpware againset both ucx and multinet and  > both got beat ...   I I'm afraid that "wall clock" time may be more subjective, and subject to  F   "outside" factors (instantaneous network latency, bandwidth to/from = the web site) which could adversely influence perceptions of  ! responsiveness (or lack thereof).   I That being said, I think that both stacks from Process.com have been (up  D until releatively recently) more fully-featured than their "native" < counterpart.  Information in a related thread regarding the G "supportableness" of the Process stacks in relation to Oracle products  1 may become a real "deal-killer" however, if true.    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 12:51:38 -0700; From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> C Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?] C Message-ID: <1129146698.853031.102740@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    BRAD wrote: = > counterpart.  Information in a related thread regarding the H > "supportableness" of the Process stacks in relation to Oracle products3 > may become a real "deal-killer" however, if true.   F If you have Oracle MetaLink see article 222553.1 "FAQ for Oracle RDBMS< Release 9.2.X for Alpha OpenVMS" Section 5.2 (Copied below):  > 5.2 What TCP/IP vendors are supported with Oracle RDBMS 9.2.X?  < Only DIGITIAL TCP/IP Services from HP is certified. For more information read:   D Oracle9i Installation Guide Release 2 (9.2.0.2.0) for Alpha OpenVMS.  E However, things may not be so bleak... just depends.  Here is another C Metalink article #28253.1 "VMS: TCP/IP Vendors Supported - MATRIX - B ALPHA (and VAX) OpenVMS" Created 11-May-1995, Updated 17-Mar-2003.E It's alittle old, but one statement is open-ended.  A note at the end  of the article states thus:   C For Oracle release 7.3.3+, we only certifiy against UCX. We support C other TCP/IP vendors on the understanding that Oracle will only fix E issues that reproduce under UCX (DEC TCP/IP). If the problem does not C reproduce, you would have to contact the appropriate TCP/IP vendor.   ( Not the best news, but still an opening.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 15:46:12 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com C Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?] B Message-ID: <1129157172.486436.16390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  J > I'm afraid that "wall clock" time may be more subjective, and subject toG >   "outside" factors (instantaneous network latency, bandwidth to/from > > the web site) which could adversely influence perceptions of# > responsiveness (or lack thereof).     0 the tests were done on a dormat internal network0 with no other traffic and a direct connection to3 the alpha ... sorry, they lost ... and I don't know 2 of too many wall clocks that sh time in hundredths of seconds ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:21:17 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>C Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Where does TCPWARE gets its crispness from?] + Message-ID: <434DB68D.448099D9@comcast.net>   ! "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote:  > 
 > BRAD wrote: ? > > counterpart.  Information in a related thread regarding the J > > "supportableness" of the Process stacks in relation to Oracle products5 > > may become a real "deal-killer" however, if true.  > H > If you have Oracle MetaLink see article 222553.1 "FAQ for Oracle RDBMS> > Release 9.2.X for Alpha OpenVMS" Section 5.2 (Copied below): > @ > 5.2 What TCP/IP vendors are supported with Oracle RDBMS 9.2.X? > > > Only DIGITIAL TCP/IP Services from HP is certified. For more > information read:  > F > Oracle9i Installation Guide Release 2 (9.2.0.2.0) for Alpha OpenVMS.  E Then, both TCPware and Multinet should be supported by implication as D both provide "UCX emulation". I believe PSC goes to great lengths toD ensure that the UCX emulation APIs are 100% compatible, bug-for-bug.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:40:42 -0400 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> Y Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Rules of thumb (was:Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march to * Message-ID: <434D82DA.6010807@comcast.net>  
 > BRAD wrote:  > F >>> I'm beginning to suspect that such claims about the "true" cost ofJ >>> workers is rapidly approaching the status of "urban myth".  Can anyone3 >>> clearly cite statistics that _prove_ otherwise?  >  > I > Twice the base salary would include office costs. I think 40% to 50% is I > about right. Of course, in companies with higher fringe benefits, those G > costs would be higher. (for instance, consider Google that has valets F > that handle chores on behalf of workers such as sending/fetching dry > cleaning etc etc).  . And UAW workers figure into this equation how?  G > In the end, whether a corporation has to pay health care via taxes or J > send a cheque to some private insurance company, they still need to send > a cheque.   F If corporations make the money back on tax rebates, the net effect is H substantial.  Perhaps UAW workers can write off union dues on their tax F returns, but the net effect for them is probably far less substantial.  I > And when the employer makes contributions to your pension plan, that is G > real cash as well. (And is enough to send corportions such as Delphi, ' > Northwest, Delta etc into bankrupcy).   E That is, when they don't lose the money via malfeasance, or outright  D fraud.  So GM may be liable for Delphi's pension costs - well guess H what; they _are_ liable for those costs, and if they haven't managed to I meet those obligations because of mismanagement or malfeasance, they the  H executives responsible need to start imagining how they will look in an  orange jumpsuit.	:-)  D > The USA spends nearly 18% of its GDP on health care. Other westernI > countries are at about 12%. So while yor personal costs for health care G > may seem low, you need to consider how much your employer has to pay.   H I _do_ appreciate the statistics, but it still seems to me that far too ? much attention is spent on those nasty workers, rather than on  A executives that get $USD21MM golden parachutes for running their   companies into the ground.	:-)  C I wonder how much Delphi/GM executives will suffer because of this  D bankruptcy, in comparison to the thousands of workers who will lose 7 their jobs, and the ripple effect on the local economy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 16:25:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: [Fwd: Rules of thumb (was:Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today)]  , Message-ID: <434D7121.B6337AAA@teksavvy.com>   BRAD wrote: D > I'm beginning to suspect that such claims about the "true" cost ofH > workers is rapidly approaching the status of "urban myth".  Can anyone1 > clearly cite statistics that _prove_ otherwise?   G Twice the base salary would include office costs. I think 40% to 50% is G about right. Of course, in companies with higher fringe benefits, those E costs would be higher. (for instance, consider Google that has valets D that handle chores on behalf of workers such as sending/fetching dry cleaning etc etc).  E In the end, whether a corporation has to pay health care via taxes or H send a cheque to some private insurance company, they still need to send
 a cheque.   G And when the employer makes contributions to your pension plan, that is E real cash as well. (And is enough to send corportions such as Delphi, % Northwest, Delta etc into bankrupcy).     B The USA spends nearly 18% of its GDP on health care. Other westernG countries are at about 12%. So while yor personal costs for health care E may seem low, you need to consider how much your employer has to pay.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.571 ************************