1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 13 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 572       Contents:8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)8 Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson)C Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) I Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?) ?) I Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?) ?) P Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327 Re: Samba-3 for OpenVMS  Re: TCP/IP NFS-mountP Usage of 3X-DEGXA-TB within AlphaServer 1000 5/400, AlphaStation DS20, AlphaStat  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:06:28 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) B Message-ID: <1129215988.80ac1b7d493216e71ebc2a4d1bbebd0a@teranews>  < On 10/12/2005 20:00:08 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:   > Frank wrote:  
 >> Jon wrote:    >>> measekite wrote:   >>>> Frank wrote:    >>>>> Wayne Sewell wrote:   C >>>>>> On 10/12/2005 12:11:37 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:   4 >>>>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.. >>>>>>> --------------060306040308030901020600A >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ' >>>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    >>>>>>> *D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE*   0 >>>>>>> --------------060306040308030901020600--  J >>>>>> Using MIME in a newsgroup is the true meaning of bullshit exchange.  . >>>>> I an the true meaning of sewerage. Frank   >>>> AND SHIT TOO   J >>> I only lurk here but I tend to agree with others assessment of you.  IH >>> see that every time someone post something you will go in and changeL >>> their post.  What is that all about.  Are you too limited that you can'tD >>> come up your own original posting.  Or else you post in all capsJ >>> something that is totally meaningless and very obnoxious. Don't botherK >>> to answer me cause I am going to take others advice and kill file you.  G >>> I just found out how to do that.  I have had enough of your no help 2 >>> answers and useless waste of my bandwidth. jon  K >> Good idea.  Everyone should kill file my stupid ass then I can only talk  >> to me. Frank     J In all my years on usenet, I think this is the first time I have ever seenO someone edit text quoted from another poster.  That's low, even for usenet.  Of L course, I don't read anything but comp.os.vms.  It may be more common in the anarchy of the alt groups.   original text:  L >>Good idea.  Everyone should kill file his stupid ass then he can only talk >>to himself. Frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:52:10 -0700  From: Frank <fb@notspam.com>A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) , Message-ID: <uov3f.4801$gj1.3679@fed1read05>   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > > > On 10/12/2005 20:00:08 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote: >  >  >>Frank wrote: >  > 
 >>>Jon wrote:  >  >  >>>>measekite wrote: >  >  >>>>>Frank wrote:  >  >  >>>>>>Wayne Sewell wrote:  >  > C >>>>>>>On 10/12/2005 12:11:37 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:  >  > 4 >>>>>>>>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.. >>>>>>>>--------------060306040308030901020600A >>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ' >>>>>>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  >  >  >>>>>>>>*D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE*  >  > 0 >>>>>>>>--------------060306040308030901020600-- >  > J >>>>>>>Using MIME in a newsgroup is the true meaning of bullshit exchange. >  > . >>>>>>I an the true meaning of sewerage. Frank >  >  >>>>>AND SHIT TOO  >  > J >>>>I only lurk here but I tend to agree with others assessment of you.  IH >>>>see that every time someone post something you will go in and changeL >>>>their post.  What is that all about.  Are you too limited that you can'tD >>>>come up your own original posting.  Or else you post in all capsJ >>>>something that is totally meaningless and very obnoxious. Don't botherK >>>>to answer me cause I am going to take others advice and kill file you.  G >>>>I just found out how to do that.  I have had enough of your no help 2 >>>>answers and useless waste of my bandwidth. jon >  > K >>>Good idea.  Everyone should kill file my stupid ass then I can only talk  >>>to me. Frank  >  >  > L > In all my years on usenet, I think this is the first time I have ever seenQ > someone edit text quoted from another poster.  That's low, even for usenet.  Of N > course, I don't read anything but comp.os.vms.  It may be more common in the > anarchy of the alt groups. >  > original text: >  > M >>>Good idea.  Everyone should kill file his stupid ass then he can only talk  >>>to himself. Frank >  >  > B Well this is also the first and only time I've ever run into such F behavior. He changes others postings and pretends like nobody notices @ that he's done it. To call this guy a jerk and a loser would be G complimenting him. He obviously has some really bad human relationship  H problems. But in todays world he is able to openly vent his hostilities E and hide behind the cloak of the Internet. That's the mark of a real   coward. G Problem is, his disruptive behavior adds nothing to this ng other than   chaos.H Kill file works great. When I click on the ng is see maybe 50 messages. E Then it changes to 37 and I know that 13 messages from him have been  C deleted. Great! Then the only way I ever see his sorry ass is when  , somebody else has responded to his insanity. Frank    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:28:50 GMT $ From: measekite <inkystinky@oem.com>A Subject: Re: ALL printers are electronic thieves (Was just Epson) < Message-ID: <mPw3f.16281$6e1.795@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>   Frank wrote:   > Wayne Sewell wrote:  >  >>? >> On 10/12/2005 20:00:08 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:  >> >> >>> Frank wrote: >> >> >> >>>> Jon wrote:  >>>  >> >> >>>>> measekite wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>>>> Frank wrote:  >>>>>  >> >> >>>>>>> Wayne Sewell wrote:  >>>>>> >> >>E >>>>>>>> On 10/12/2005 12:11:37 measekite <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote:  >>>>>>>  >> >>6 >>>>>>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.0 >>>>>>>>> --------------060306040308030901020600C >>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed ) >>>>>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  >>>>>>>> >> >>! >>>>>>>>> *D**A BULLSHIT XCHANGE*  >>>>>>>> >> >>2 >>>>>>>>> --------------060306040308030901020600-- >>>>>>>> >> >>C >>>>>>>> Using MIME in a newsgroup is the true meaning of bullshit   >>>>>>>> exchange. >>>>>>>  >> >>0 >>>>>>> I an the true meaning of sewerage. Frank >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> AND SHIT TOO  >>>>>  >> >>E >>>>> I only lurk here but I tend to agree with others assessment of  
 >>>>> you.  I J >>>>> see that every time someone post something you will go in and changeI >>>>> their post.  What is that all about.  Are you too limited that you   >>>>> can't F >>>>> come up your own original posting.  Or else you post in all capsF >>>>> something that is totally meaningless and very obnoxious. Don't  >>>>> botherH >>>>> to answer me cause I am going to take others advice and kill file G >>>>> you. I just found out how to do that.  I have had enough of your  
 >>>>> no help 4 >>>>> answers and useless waste of my bandwidth. jon >>>> >> >>I >>>> Good idea.  Everyone should kill file my stupid ass then I can only  	 >>>> talk  >>>> to me. Frank  >>>  >> >> >>I >> In all my years on usenet, I think this is the first time I have ever   >> seen G >> someone edit text quoted from another poster.  That's low, even for   >> usenet.  OfI >> course, I don't read anything but comp.os.vms.  It may be more common  	 >> in the  >> anarchy of the alt groups.  >> >> original text:  >> >>F >>>> Good idea.  Everyone should kill file his stupid ass then he can  >>>> only talk >>>> to himself. Frank >>>  >> >> >>D > Well this is also the first and only time I've ever run into such H > behavior. He changes others postings and pretends like nobody notices < > that he's done it. To call me a jerk and a loser would be H > complimenting me. I obviously have some really bad human relationship I > problems. But in todays world I am  able to openly vent my hostilities  G > and hide behind the cloak of the Internet. That's the mark of a real  	 > coward. H > Problem is, my disruptive behavior adds nothing to this ng other than  > chaos.I > Kill file does works great. I always find a way to answer and then lie  E > about it. When I click on the ng is see maybe 50 messages. Then it  G > changes to 37 and I know that 13 messages from him have been deleted  D > but I manage to see them indirectly and look forward to answering B > them. Great! Then the only way I ever see his sorry ass is when A > somebody else has responded to his insanity. I just said that.   > Frank    TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN?   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:42:25 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) L Subject: Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?)3 Message-ID: <ocpcj8WYtz03@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <434C1046.16722.48BD16F@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes: - > On 11 Oct 2005 at 16:28, Bob Koehler wrote: D >> I think the guys who ported OSF/1 to Alpha were well aware of the >> memory barrier instruction.   > G > But most of the user-mode code I see just assumes that global memory  D > is visible automatically.  Is there something that does MB's on a  > periodic basis?  >   C    On a single-processor system, the memory must appear this way to D    the CPU, no matter how many processes are involved, and no matter5    what part of a memory access was/was-not complete.   G    On a multi-processor CPU, processes running on differenet processors @    would see inconsistencies unless the process did something to    explicitly synchronize.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:44:32 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) R Subject: Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?) ?)3 Message-ID: <0VLbETSW6cfB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <434CEA24.27412.7DECF83@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:  > E > Okay, I was being sloppy.  I should have said something like "make  4 > the changes to memory visible to other processes". > G > Be that as it may, I don't see any sort of memory barrier constructs  F > in the Unix code I've looked at.  How are they making global memory  > work without them? >   B    I'm not sure about UNIX, but on VMS any mode change implies MB.@    So a call to do I/O eventually implies MB.  You might not seeC    a problem unless you did a lot of global memory access with very     little I/O.  G    But mostly people used single processor systems, where all processes     see the same thing.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:11:02 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>R Subject: Re: fork() (Was: Re: Will "COM for OpenVMS" be ported to Itanium ?) ?) ?). Message-ID: <434E5CE6.32015.D870169@localhost>  * On 13 Oct 2005 at 9:44, Bob Koehler wrote:? >    But mostly people used single processor systems, where all " >    processes see the same thing.  C Not true.  I had a set of processes communicating through a global  B section.  Worked perfectly on VAX, but totally messed up on Alpha D until I put explicit memory barrier instructions.  Single processor.  5 Hoff told me I'd have to do that, and he was right...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2005 09:39:57 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Y Subject: Re: ODS-5 directory and header definitions, where? Was: [OT] - dealing with ;327 3 Message-ID: <lh2ycv68$pvj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1129130398.674834.211180@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@ewilts.org> writes:  F > Now that I don't remember...  I remember doing the equivalent of setF > file/enter and I remember when set file/enter first appeared (it wasE > undocumented and unsupported but I found it by dumping the cld).  I I > started with VMS 2.4 (the blue wall) and will end with 7.3.  Sadly, 8.x I > will never be installed here due to the failure of the Appletalk stack.       It was in VAX-11/VMS 1.x.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:27:55 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>   Subject: Re: Samba-3 for OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <ss7sk1tlmnc9o0ocilfmmj01pci9nj71lm@4ax.com>  P On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:17:06 -0500, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  # >Tapani.Rundgren@treville.se wrote:  >>   >> Hi David! >>  G >> Distributed Netbeans does not use Windows I/O. It could, but in case ; >> of file access on OpenVMS server, FTP will do just fine. @ >> And You can "mount" a local drive and then copy files from/to3 >> OpenVMS servers, if that is what You need to do. ? >> There are other FTP based products that are intergrated with A >> Windows I/O but use FTP for transport, WebDrive comes to mind.  > F >Unfortunately, as was dicussed here in another thread some time back,D >SMB provides more than upload/download capability. Remote files areC >opened by applications as if they were locally resident, providing 2 >record-level access which is beyond scope of FTP.  P Record level access is not required for Distributed NetBeans so FTP will do just fine.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2005 23:21:32 -0700 From: "Bendix" <br@b-riis.dk>  Subject: Re: TCP/IP NFS-mount B Message-ID: <1129184492.728441.10760@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Keith A. Lewis skrev:    > "Bendix" <br@b-riis.dk> writes in article <1129143133.326479.189620@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> dated 12 Oct 2005 11:52:13 -0700:  > >Hi, can anyone help.  > > > > >I'm trying to nfs-mount in tcpip with the following result.F > >Why dosn't it work this time, I have followed the same procedure on; > >several newly installed systems to check that nfs works. @ > >I can't figure out what the errormessage is trying to tell me > > ? > >-SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node  > F > I believe that means that the UID/GID/IPaddress combination is beingN > rejected by the remote server.  Have you checked the logfiles on the server? > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.    / I didn't write it but what I'm trying to do is:   1 nfs mount a disk on vax1 while logged in to VAX1.   E So in this case client and server is the same VAX. Done the same lots < of times on other VAX'en but it refuses to work on this one.   Bendix   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:21:33 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>Y Subject: Usage of 3X-DEGXA-TB within AlphaServer 1000 5/400, AlphaStation DS20, AlphaStat 3 Message-ID: <000001c5cff9$07b8b900$994614ac@wat153>    Hallo,  F Do anybody have experience with the above configurations? I would like: to use this Gigabit Ethernet interface within this Alphas.   Best regards R. Wingert   % P.S. I know all above is unsupported!    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.572 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            