1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 16 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 578       Contents:6 Announcing the closing of the VMSGateway Experts Group2 Announcing the proVMS Computer Experts Association* Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today  Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ? ' Re: pws600au vms startup console output ' Re: pws600au vms startup console output ' Re: pws600au vms startup console output  Re: VMS support strategy?  Re: VMS support strategy?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:41:25 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> ? Subject: Announcing the closing of the VMSGateway Experts Group 3 Message-ID: <4352042a$0$4322$626a54ce@news.free.fr>    Friends,  @ Who said that Providence does not enough take care of us Humans?  M At the same time I accepted a full time position in an English international  D College as Buildings & Maintenance Commitee Chairman and IT Manager Q (www.chavagnes.org), we see the proVMS Association created (see my previous post  Q today. Site in French for the moment is at http://213.41.97.87/provms/index.php).   C In these conditions, I announce the closing of the VMSGateway site  N http://www.vmsgateway.net/ and suggest all of you who sent me your resums to  get in touch with proVMS.    Long life to VMS.  Cheers to all.   D. --   Didier MORANDI - IT Manager " Collge international de Chavagnes 96 rue du Calvaire# 85250 Chavagnes-en-Paillers, France  Tl. : +33 (0)6 7983 6418. http://www.chavagnes.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:31:51 +0200 - From: Didier Morandi <prenom.nom@freesurf.fr> ; Subject: Announcing the proVMS Computer Experts Association 3 Message-ID: <435201ec$0$4321$626a54ce@news.free.fr>   O (from French page http://213.41.97.87/provms/index.php translated by Altavista)   * Welcome on the site of association proVMS!  P proVms is an association which promotes activity around the system exploitation I OpenVMS. It gathers service companies in data processing and consultants   independent. These members:   ) diffuse general knowledge around OpenVMS,   B mutualisent a share of their activity of marketing around OpenVMS,  D use of the network made up to answer complex offers more effectively  H As professionals intervening regularly in heterogeneous data-processing N environments, we think that OpenVMS still has a role important there to play. Q Within this framework, proVMS gives to our customers opportunity to appuyer on a  I network of excellence allowing use a successful and perennial of OpenVMS.    Why OpenVMS?  L OpenVMS is a conceived system ̱exploitation there is more than 20 years by M Digital Equipment for the architecture VAX. It has had for summer related to  O architectures Alpha and Itanium, respectively by Digital Equipment, Compaq and  N HP. Its perenniality for the 20 next years is ensured thanks to certification , DII COE and the engagement official from HP.  R OpenVMS has the reputation of être stable, reliable and sure. The corruptions of @ data, the intrusions or the attacks viral by buffer overrun are Q quasi-non-existent incidents in OpenVMS environment. Moreover, the facility with  O installer, to configure it and manage it in make the system exploitation owner  > having the operating burnup (Total Cost of Ownership) weakest.  O Leader uncontested in the field of the cluster, OpenVMS is often used to build  T environments with high availability (cluster “disaster-tolerant”). The clusters Q OpenVMS made it possible companies to survive major data-processing catastrophes  + such as the attentat of September 11, 2001.   N Thanks to its respect of standards (posix, DII COE, Java;), OpenVMS integrate P easily in a heterogeneous environment without losing its intrinsic qualities of L robustness. This capacity with intégrer in a heterogeneous environment was M reinforced recently by its presence on the platform Integrity at the side of    HP-UX, Linux and Windows server.  " How to contact association proVMS?  Q As our statutes indiquent, proVMS is an association economic of acteurs (service  K companies in data processing and consultants independent) which accroit by   co-optation.   statutes of proVMS  P If you want to join us, contact us by email to introduce and to you describe us Q your motivations. The companies without vocation to join us as active member can  B support our action by sponsoring or join us like associate member.   address of proVMS    proVMS 70-88, boulevard Anatole France  93200 Saint Denis  France   FYI. --  1 Didier MORANDI - Expert informaticien - VMS / SAP 1   13 chemin du Gué, 1213 Petit-Lancy (GE) Suisse 1 Tél. : +33(0)6 7983 6418 ~ www.didiermorandi.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:26:30 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> 3 Subject: Re: Epson printers are electronic theieves = Message-ID: <43526316$0$67262$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>   
 Frenki wrote: # > http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml  >   L I have this, but resetting cartridges is not possible via software - I will ? need to buy an electronic resetter - which may or may not work.    Dweeb   0 > On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:33:07 +0200, "Dr. Dweeb"* > <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> wrote: > 
 >> Gentlemen,  >>C >> I have reached the conclusion that the Epson corporation is both D >> incompetant and corrupt.  Someone should sue their scrawny little	 >> asses.  >>- >> I have an RX500 - a high end combi-device.  >>C >> Today, the reading on my black ink cartridge hit zero, while the  >> other 5 read between 23-28%? >> I replaced the black cartridge with a 3rd party product from  >> Gold-Ink. >>E >> After installation the printer informed me that it was loading the  >> ink.  >>$ >> I decided to print the test page. >> >> Failure - and worse.  >>@ >> 1: "The ink cartridge is different from Epson blah blah blah"F >> message.  This will now appear EVERY time I try to print !!!!!!!!!!3 >> 2: The device reset all 5 other cartridges to 0% G >> 3: The device has the black cartridge now pegged at 83%, despite not ! >> yet having printed 1 character  >>E >> Because the other 5 cartridges now MUST be replaced I still cannot G >> print and I am REALLY pissed off.  Check how much 6 cartridges (even D >> of alternative branbd) ink costs - this is an expensive exercise. >>G >> The audacity of these assholes to pull this sort of stunt amazes me. C >> It is both amoral and illegal.  There is no technical reason for D >> what has happenned to me - it is just punishment for installing aD >> non-Epson cartridge - something I believe is my commercial right. >>C >> I mean, how much money do I have to spend on cartridges before I C >> give up ? Is an ERROR message at EVERY print job even marginally  >> apprpriate ?  >>" >> Where do I get my money back ?? >>
 >> Dr. Dweeb     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:51:15 +1300 $ From: "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today1 Message-ID: <HBn4f.696$S24.45616@news.xtra.co.nz>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:434B0747.DB956724@comcast.net...  > Lurker wrote:   4 > > I'll give you [an admittedly anecdotal] example:1 > > Some years back I used to work for a software / > > company which was split about 50/50 between . > > unionized and non-unionized employees. Can/ > > you imagine the amount of mutual resentment - > > between those two groups? Ironically, the 5 > > non-unionized people were actually getting better 6 > > pay packages (despite the usual claims that unions7 > > get you a better deal). But of course, I'll have to 4 > > admit that unionized people did get those 2-hour0 > > discussion meetings on company time when the" > > rest of us had to do the work. > >  > > What's honest about that?  > A > Unless the facts you cite were deliberately hidden, EVERYTHING!   * Well, they were not hidden and I would say/ there was absolutely nothing honest about that. , Consider: the calls are coming in whether or+ not your buddies are discussing how best to / rip-off (sorry, I mean milk-off, err, whatever, 1 but you get the drift) In the meantime the people + who do the work have to handle those calls. ( No wonder they are paid better. But they0 would (and did) still resent those free-loaders.   > > > Are unions perfect? No > > >   > > > Are employers perfect? No. > > >   > > > Are employees perfect? NO. > > > ) > > > It's all about checks and balances.  > > & > > Well, I'll agree with that one but) > > my personal feeling is that the thing " > > is way too much out of balance > > at the moment. > G > If you mean that employers are exploiting employees at the employees' - > expense, I'd have to agree whole-heartedly.   ' No, I most definitely do not mean that.   3 I guess we are at complete mis-understanding there. : In fact, if it was not for the unions I (and others) would7 be getting a lot better deals. The reason that we don't 7 is that we have to pay the costs of those union claims.   1 Luckily, I now work for the completely union-free 3 company. But even so, I do have to pay [indirectly] 5 for that nonsense through taxes and higher costs when  I buy some goods or services.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:57:17 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> & Subject: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?= Message-ID: <4352866c$0$67257$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:2 > On 15 Oct 2005 at 20:21, David J Dachtera wrote:D >> ...or perhaps Stan Quayle might make a similar inquiry seeking to2 >> prolong his tenure in the VAX emulation market. > F > Thanks for the mention.  Actually, there's still 100,000 VAX systemsE > out there.  Might be a lifetime employment opportunity.  [Shameless 8 > Plug(tm) Alert:  http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html] > D >> ...but, yes, cleaning up the 32-bit code so the source tree could) >> serve all three architectures is [...]  > < > And unnecessary.  Wait until an emulator for Alpha becomes > available... >   L Well, I want one - then I will have VAX/VMS and Alpha/VMS VMs on my Win2003 % machine - one box is better than 3 !!    Dweeb    > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com, > "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:40:49 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>0 Subject: Re: pws600au vms startup console output+ Message-ID: <3reeg2Fiv580U1@individual.net>    Steven M. Schweda wrote:+ > From: Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>  > H >>Yep, turns out it's TTA0, not OPA0.  See my response to David Sneddon. >>? >>The question is why you are allowed to boot from TTA0 at all.  >  > G >    It was _helping_ you.  Some people will complain if they're hanged  > with a new rope. >   7 Indeed. It's a useful feature once you know it's there.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:25:07 -0500 ) From: Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> 0 Subject: Re: pws600au vms startup console outputB Message-ID: <1129469120.e0c9095f1487cbeaca1cadfe9c4310ec@teranews>  H On 2005-10-15 23:26:53 -0500, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) said:  + > From: Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>  > I >> Yep, turns out it's TTA0, not OPA0.  See my response to David Sneddon.  >>  @ >> The question is why you are allowed to boot from TTA0 at all. > G >    It was _helping_ you.  Some people will complain if they're hanged  > with a new rope. >   G Yeah, some help.  If it *really* wants to be helpful, it should behave  G like a full console instead of a half-assed one.  In other words, make  F the two ports completely interchangable, so it doesn't matter *which* G one you use.  For that matter, all machines should do this.  Make OPA0  ; be whichever port you get input from when no OS is running.   F The only possible use for the current gag is if the real OPA0 port is D physically broken.  Otherwise it makes more sense to simply use the 1 real console port and get the full functionality.  --   Wayne Sewell   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2005 09:19:25 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: pws600au vms startup console output3 Message-ID: <n9owdO$0DXkS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1129435170.3db6f352d7e1cbc01a5d7a499217b25f@teranews>, Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:  H > Yep, turns out it's TTA0, not OPA0.  See my response to David Sneddon. > ? > The question is why you are allowed to boot from TTA0 at all.   1 Perhaps as insurance against the day a UART dies. @ Of course one has to hope it is an isolated incident rather than1 a case where both UARTs die in the "wrong" order.   D I suppose the term UART may no longer be accurate, but the principle remains.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:48:53 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) " Subject: Re: VMS support strategy?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1610050749110001@user-uinj4cs.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <1129435862.f33d68fa348d6fad9745868816f364ae@teranews>, Wayne  # Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote:   L >On 2005-10-15 21:17:55 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) said: > ? >> In article <4351A9DE.A75EC95@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera  & >> <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >>> Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  H >>>> As regards business issues, this newsgroup only has people venting.G >>>> Those interested in actually getting answers from HP need to do so ? >>>> through the various invitational Manager Forums run by HP.  >>> L >>> I trust you're now going to tell us the magic incantation for how to get! >>> onto the "invitee" list ... ?  >>  A >> That seems like an appropriate topic for the alternative forum  >> just mentioned. > C >Not that I am involved in this discussion, but isn't that comment   >somewhat circular?  >  > F >If you want to find out how to get an invitation to a forum, you can F >ask *on* the forum you don't have an invitation to and cannot access?  D I believe Larry was talking about this forum, just recently created:2 http://groups.google.com/group/systems-support-vms  @ There are currently two posts, both by the founder of the forum.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:32:47 -0500 ) From: Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> " Subject: Re: VMS support strategy?B Message-ID: <1129469581.ab75ffcca3e58d59f3e5787be4485fa5@teranews>  C On 2005-10-16 06:48:53 -0500, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert   Deininger) said:  E > In article <1129435862.f33d68fa348d6fad9745868816f364ae@teranews>,  + > Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote:  > N >> On 2005-10-15 21:17:55 -0500, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) said: >>  @ >>> In article <4351A9DE.A75EC95@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera ' >>> <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  >>>> Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >>> I >>>>> As regards business issues, this newsgroup only has people venting. H >>>>> Those interested in actually getting answers from HP need to do so@ >>>>> through the various invitational Manager Forums run by HP. >>>>  M >>>> I trust you're now going to tell us the magic incantation for how to get " >>>> onto the "invitee" list ... ? >>> B >>> That seems like an appropriate topic for the alternative forum >>> just mentioned.  >>  E >> Not that I am involved in this discussion, but isn't that comment   >> somewhat circular?  >>   >>  H >> If you want to find out how to get an invitation to a forum, you can H >> ask *on* the forum you don't have an invitation to and cannot access? > F > I believe Larry was talking about this forum, just recently created:4 > http://groups.google.com/group/systems-support-vms > B > There are currently two posts, both by the founder of the forum.  E Okay, sorry.  Usenet message ordering strikes again.  Didn't see the  A post about the google forum until *after* this one, and the word   "alternative" didn't register. --   Wayne Sewell   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.578 ************************