1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 20 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 585       Contents:, Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution LASER symbiont) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?  Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?  Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ? . Re: Problem getting to SRM from AlphaBIOS 5.70+ Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space! + Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space! / Re: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space! / Re: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space! / Re: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space! ( updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) Re: URL grumble  Re: URL grumble  Re: URL grumble  Re: URL grumble   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 11:09:06 -0700# From: "jlmadden" <jmadden@hvhs.org> 5 Subject: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution C Message-ID: <1129745346.745018.198270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D We're running OpenVMS 7.3 and have come across the following.  A jobE was found to be executing a program that was in a loop.  The operator G performed a Delete/Entry=### on the job.  The job stopped executing the D program, printed "job aborted" in the log, then proceeded to execute: all the remaining commands in the DCL command file.  AfterC experimenting with the use of Delete and Stop/ID, we found that the G problem seems to occur only when the line in the com file following the D command that is executing does NOT start with a $ symbol.  We have a% 4GL report writer that requires this:  eg:  $ SET DEFAULT JOBSPACE       $!       $ Quiz         exe PDRM1401_01        exe PDRM1401_02      $! ,      $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1      .      .      .C When the Delete/Entry=456 command was entered while the PDRM1401_01 E module was executing, the following messages were placed into the log - file and the job continued executing with the  print statement:   $! $ Quiz   exe PDRM1401_01 - %JBC-F-JOBABORT, job aborted during execution B %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored $!' $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1  .  .  .   E Has anyone else seen this in either 7.3 or later versions of OpenVMS?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 12:16:37 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution B Message-ID: <1129749397.071288.39610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   jlmadden wrote: F > We're running OpenVMS 7.3 and have come across the following.  A jobG > was found to be executing a program that was in a loop.  The operator I > performed a Delete/Entry=### on the job.  The job stopped executing the F > program, printed "job aborted" in the log, then proceeded to execute< > all the remaining commands in the DCL command file.  After  E I am guessing you may be running "$ SET NOON". If so try running "SET B ON". Or use ON ERROR to jump to an exit routine. I think you wouldG probably find the batch job would go away but it probably completes the  remaining DCL too quickly.  E > experimenting with the use of Delete and Stop/ID, we found that the I > problem seems to occur only when the line in the com file following the F > command that is executing does NOT start with a $ symbol.  We have a' > 4GL report writer that requires this:  > eg:  $ SET DEFAULT JOBSPACE 	 >      $! 
 >      $ Quiz  >        exe PDRM1401_01 >        exe PDRM1401_02	 >      $! . >      $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1 >      . >      . >      .E > When the Delete/Entry=456 command was entered while the PDRM1401_01 G > module was executing, the following messages were placed into the log / > file and the job continued executing with the  > print statement: >  > $! > $ Quiz >   exe PDRM1401_01 / > %JBC-F-JOBABORT, job aborted during execution D > %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored > $!) > $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1  > .  > .  > .  > G > Has anyone else seen this in either 7.3 or later versions of OpenVMS?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:34:17 -0400 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> 9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution : Message-ID: <LPudna1VA95gSsvenZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com>  G What bothers me is why doesn't the entire job abort when you issue the  L DELETE/ENTRY command?  The DELETE/ENTRY command appears to be doing a force M exit on the running image only, returning control to the batch command file.  K I would think it should also delete process  that is executing the command  	 file too.    Regards, Tom   6 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message < news:1129749397.071288.39610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >  > jlmadden wrote: G >> We're running OpenVMS 7.3 and have come across the following.  A job H >> was found to be executing a program that was in a loop.  The operatorJ >> performed a Delete/Entry=### on the job.  The job stopped executing theG >> program, printed "job aborted" in the log, then proceeded to execute = >> all the remaining commands in the DCL command file.  After  > G > I am guessing you may be running "$ SET NOON". If so try running "SET D > ON". Or use ON ERROR to jump to an exit routine. I think you wouldI > probably find the batch job would go away but it probably completes the  > remaining DCL too quickly. > F >> experimenting with the use of Delete and Stop/ID, we found that theJ >> problem seems to occur only when the line in the com file following theG >> command that is executing does NOT start with a $ symbol.  We have a ( >> 4GL report writer that requires this: >> eg:  $ SET DEFAULT JOBSPACE
 >>      $! >>      $ Quiz >>        exe PDRM1401_01  >>        exe PDRM1401_02 
 >>      $!/ >>      $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1 	 >>      . 	 >>      . 	 >>      . F >> When the Delete/Entry=456 command was entered while the PDRM1401_01H >> module was executing, the following messages were placed into the log0 >> file and the job continued executing with the >> print statement:  >> >> $! 	 >> $ Quiz  >>   exe PDRM1401_010 >> %JBC-F-JOBABORT, job aborted during executionE >> %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored  >> $! * >> $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1 >> . >> . >> . >>H >> Has anyone else seen this in either 7.3 or later versions of OpenVMS? >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:28:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution , Message-ID: <4356E4B9.F0C09CB7@teksavvy.com>   Tom Simpson wrote: > H > What bothers me is why doesn't the entire job abort when you issue theM > DELETE/ENTRY command?  The DELETE/ENTRY command appears to be doing a force N > exit on the running image only, returning control to the batch command file.    A My experience is that it does kill the job.  My guess is that the E software does wicked things with its exit handler to cause the job to 3 continue to execute. Is that technically possible ?    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 17:45:03 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution B Message-ID: <1129769103.644998.46110@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Tom Simpson wrote:H > What bothers me is why doesn't the entire job abort when you issue theM > DELETE/ENTRY command?  The DELETE/ENTRY command appears to be doing a force N > exit on the running image only, returning control to the batch command file.L > I would think it should also delete process  that is executing the command > file too.   F I'm suggesting that it does but the forced exit occurs a little beforeB the process is killed. On a fast Alpha that can get you a few moreF lines of DCL. I think I have seen this happen before but only when SETE NOON which I wouldn't normally use in batch. In a related situation a G batch job which reaches its cpu limit will take an ON ERROR for example  - that case is documented.  E If the batch job launches into another long cpu intensive routine and > completes it, then there is definitely something very strange. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:54:00 -0400 8 From: "Chris" <paynoattentionto@themanbehindthe.curtain>9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution : Message-ID: <JUB5f.11266$ns3.895348@news20.bellglobal.com>  I I would suggest that you refer this question to Cognos, as QUIZ and other L Powerhouse components don't always react in a fashion that you might predict   just my $.02  5 "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote in message < news:1129769103.644998.46110@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >  > Tom Simpson wrote:J > > What bothers me is why doesn't the entire job abort when you issue theI > > DELETE/ENTRY command?  The DELETE/ENTRY command appears to be doing a  force J > > exit on the running image only, returning control to the batch command file. F > > I would think it should also delete process  that is executing the command 
 > > file too.  > H > I'm suggesting that it does but the forced exit occurs a little beforeD > the process is killed. On a fast Alpha that can get you a few moreH > lines of DCL. I think I have seen this happen before but only when SETG > NOON which I wouldn't normally use in batch. In a related situation a I > batch job which reaches its cpu limit will take an ON ERROR for example  > - that case is documented. > G > If the batch job launches into another long cpu intensive routine and @ > completes it, then there is definitely something very strange. > --   > Alan Greig >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 22:11:10 -0700/ From: "GeorgeC" <gconstantinides@myrealbox.com>  Subject: LASER symbiont C Message-ID: <1129785070.677828.210440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Hi all,   - I am running OpenVMS V7.2-2 on an Alpha 1200.   = I have a few LAT print queues using the LASER print symbiont. ? These printers are connected to the network via Emulex (NETQUE) @ print servers.  The printers are fitted with ethernet interfaces? so they are capable of being connected to the network directly.   D I want to connect the printers directly on the network and eliminate@ the print servers. I can do that by converting the LAT queues toF TCPIP queues and use the default TCPIP print symbiont TCPIP$TELNETSYM.2 In fact, I do this already with some of my queues. However there is a snag...  G User written applications rely on queue form definitions (LANDSCAPE,..) 2 that do not work with the default TELNET symbiont.  E What are my options?  At this stage I want to avoid using DCPS, which @ I now believe is free and included in the standard distribution.  E Is there a more recent version of LASER (or similar) which works with  TELNET queues?   Thanks G.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:57:27 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?0 Message-ID: <xt-dnVGocdCVFMveRVn-gg@bresnan.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote: i > In article <ZX95f.47089$U9.10746@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  > H >>Did you know your colour printer might be encoding the date, time and E >>printer serial number in every print? Researchers for the EFF have  K >>broken the code on some printers which allows them to identify the date,  6 >>time and printer serial number of each print page... >  > N > My colleague heard about it. He said this was a requirement from US security4 > services on behalf of their fight against terror.  > 9 > Wondering what other US manufactured equipment tells...   + It seems that any technology can be abused. B Funny that some people even find the article as nothing more than  conspiracy theory stuff.H Some won't believe you if you tell them there is a big grizzly standing  behind them.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Oct 2005 18:28:41 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?+ Message-ID: <3rnhipFjfn10U1@individual.net>   0 In article <xt-dnVGocdCVFMveRVn-gg@bresnan.com>,% 	GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> writes:  > Christoph Gartmann wrote: j >> In article <ZX95f.47089$U9.10746@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: >>  I >>>Did you know your colour printer might be encoding the date, time and  F >>>printer serial number in every print? Researchers for the EFF have L >>>broken the code on some printers which allows them to identify the date, 7 >>>time and printer serial number of each print page...  >>   >>  O >> My colleague heard about it. He said this was a requirement from US security 5 >> services on behalf of their fight against terror.   >>  : >> Wondering what other US manufactured equipment tells... > - > It seems that any technology can be abused.   @ Abused is a matter of opinion.  To me it is totally meaningless.  D > Funny that some people even find the article as nothing more than  > conspiracy theory stuff.  D Especially something as old as this.  It started with the very firstB color copier.  Of course, just because your paranoid deoesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you.  J > Some won't believe you if you tell them there is a big grizzly standing  > behind them.  D Some people refuse to get upset when you tell them there is squirrel standing behind them.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:08:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?, Message-ID: <4356B5C9.BA006669@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:F > Especially something as old as this.  It started with the very firstD > color copier.  Of course, just because your paranoid deoesn't mean  > everyone isn't out to get you.  D I didn't start with the very first colour copiers, they were far too1 crude to do anything ressenbling authentic notes.   @ A few generations later, they did become good enough to actuallyB generate authentic notes. American Express, knowing that one xeroxE copier could print real traveller's cheques got Xerox to add logic to F its scanner/printer device to detect the image of a traveller's cheque$ and add something like "VOID" on it.  F I am not sure about currency. The US dollar used to be extremely weak,F but once they finally allowed it to catch up with the times in the mid5 1990s, simple photocopiers were no longer sufficient.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:44:39 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?0 Message-ID: <loWdnTYyHK_VI8veRVn-tw@bresnan.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <xt-dnVGocdCVFMveRVn-gg@bresnan.com>,' > 	GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> writes:  >  >>Christoph Gartmann wrote:  >>j >>>In article <ZX95f.47089$U9.10746@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: >>>  >>> J >>>>Did you know your colour printer might be encoding the date, time and G >>>>printer serial number in every print? Researchers for the EFF have  M >>>>broken the code on some printers which allows them to identify the date,  8 >>>>time and printer serial number of each print page... >>>  >>> O >>>My colleague heard about it. He said this was a requirement from US security 5 >>>services on behalf of their fight against terror.   >>> : >>>Wondering what other US manufactured equipment tells... >>- >>It seems that any technology can be abused.  >  > B > Abused is a matter of opinion.  To me it is totally meaningless. >   G To other governments this kind of tracking can be used to plant phoney  E evidence by changing out certain components inside the laser printer. G Black mail comes to mind, and corporate espionage happens all the time. G Security requirements are everywhere, but the common man on the street  * is mostly unawares as to what is going on.% When they do, it is already too late.    > D >>Funny that some people even find the article as nothing more than  >>conspiracy theory stuff. >  > F > Especially something as old as this.  It started with the very firstD > color copier.  Of course, just because your paranoid deoesn't mean  > everyone isn't out to get you.  H It just goes to show you that technology can be abused for various ends.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:51:47 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?0 Message-ID: <11ldj3eh9ao6l2d@corp.supernews.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote: i > In article <ZX95f.47089$U9.10746@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  > H >>Did you know your colour printer might be encoding the date, time and E >>printer serial number in every print? Researchers for the EFF have  K >>broken the code on some printers which allows them to identify the date,  6 >>time and printer serial number of each print page... >  > N > My colleague heard about it. He said this was a requirement from US security4 > services on behalf of their fight against terror.  > 9 > Wondering what other US manufactured equipment tells...  >    Christoph Gartmann  >   E I'm thinking that this may have been a reasonable request, and not a  B requirement.  If 'requirement' is the correct word, then the next  revolution is way past due.   B I'm also thinking about some of the court decisions RIAA has been B getting.  If the SS could hold printer makers liable when someone H counterfits some money, then it's not safe to make and sell printers in E the USA.  It's not safe to make and sell aircraft in the USA.  Where   will this insanity end?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 16:59:11 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?C Message-ID: <1129766351.951811.295980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:  F > Some people refuse to get upset when you tell them there is squirrel > standing behind them.   G There's probably a few dissident groups in China, publishing pamphlets, / who might be more inclined to see it as a bear.  --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2005 01:54:31 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?+ Message-ID: <3robmnFkgumnU1@individual.net>   C In article <1129766351.951811.295980@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, - 	"Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > G >> Some people refuse to get upset when you tell them there is squirrel  >> standing behind them. > I > There's probably a few dissident groups in China, publishing pamphlets, 1 > who might be more inclined to see it as a bear.   G I doubt there are many dissident groups in China using computer systems H with HP Color Laser Printers.  Forgeting the cost, the power consumptionG and TEMPEST emmissions would give them away long before their pamphlets  hit the street.      bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 14:09:53 -0700- From: "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> & Subject: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?C Message-ID: <1129756193.572622.111490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Stanley F. Quayle wrote:2 > On 15 Oct 2005 at 20:21, David J Dachtera wrote:E > > ...or perhaps Stan Quayle might make a similar inquiry seeking to 3 > > prolong his tenure in the VAX emulation market.  > F > Thanks for the mention.  Actually, there's still 100,000 VAX systems > out there.  / Ah HA! So, that means there are 311,000 Alphas!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:09:38 -0400 8 From: "Chris" <paynoattentionto@themanbehindthe.curtain>& Subject: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?: Message-ID: <n7C5f.11319$ns3.901029@news20.bellglobal.com>  D If anyone has a contact at HP that they KNOW to be "in the know" andK unflinchingly honest, ask them when the last VAX was actually manufactured. L The real answer definitely surprised me, given the "official" announcements.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:11:00 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 7 Subject: Re: Problem getting to SRM from AlphaBIOS 5.70 ( Message-ID: <opsyw6wm1mzgicya@hyrrokkin>  I On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:34:28 +0200, Bill Bennett <no.spam@plea.se> wrote:    > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > >> I got a call from an employee of a former consulting clientA >> whose home PWS500-AU was the victim of a power failure and now @ >> is coming up into AlphaBIOS instead of SRM.  Does anyone have@ >> any hints on how to get it back into SRM mode ?  I don't have >> that model of machine.   >>  AlphaBIOS 5.70 July 20, 1999 > I > Here is a little checklist I made for myself once (for a group of PWS    > 433au machinesK > running Tru64 UNIX; for some reason, the 433au tended to loose the CMOS    > backup3 > battery much more often than the 500au or 600au):  >  >   -- in the Alphabios: >  >     - press F2 to enter setup 8 >       (you can set the Alphabios time if you want, butA >         it has no effect on the Tru64 system time after reboot)  >     - select CMOS setup - >     - press F6 to enter advanced CMOS setup   >     - tab to Console Selection= >     - select Digital Unix Console (SRM) with the arrow keys 1 >     - press F10 twice to exit to setup and save  >     - press Enter to confirmF >     - press the _Reset_ button (the small button next to the power  	 > button) ' >       on the front of the workstation    final step, install new battery    > H > Be sure NOT to cycle power at this point; the reason that the system  
 > switchedK > to the Alphabios is usually that the CMOS backup battery is dead, and the L > default BIOS is the Alphabios; once you have the SRM console running, it   > willI > retain that configuration as long as the system has power.  Your user    > will want K > to replace the CMOS backup battery (a standard lithium battery that can    > beL > found in any electronic or photo shop, but I don't recall the model just   > now) > at the next opportunity. > < > After the reset, the system SRM console should start; if   > auto_action=HALT, L > you can set the SRM time and date prior to booting if you want, but that   >   has G > no effect on the Tru64 system time; to set the system time prior to    > rebooting I > to multiuser mode (assuming auto_action=HALT), boot to single user mode ? > first and set the system time, then reboot to multiuser mode.  > -- > K > I never had to do this on a system running VMS, so I don't know how the    > SRM K > time and date interacts with the VMS system time; you user will want to    > log L > in  as system as soon as possible after rebooting to check and/or change   > that.  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 14:31:56 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 4 Subject: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space!C Message-ID: <1129757516.086014.231650@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27069    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 15:02:21 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 4 Subject: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space!C Message-ID: <1129757467.247768.140700@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27069    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 17:27:55 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net>8 Subject: Re: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space!B Message-ID: <1129768075.007028.50410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Dave Froble wrote: > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:- > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27069   F > "Singer says Sun hears a consistent message from HP customers: "TheyD > have no idea where HP is going." Even Intel, he says, has begun toH > eschew the Itanium in favour of Montecito but when you talk to HP they > have one direction - Itanium"   D It makes sense if you assume someone mixed up Montecito and Paxville (the dual core Xeon).   J > How clueless does this guy have to be to not know that Montecito is justI > another version of the itanic?  Would you buy a computer from this guy?  --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:38:33 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 8 Subject: Re: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space!0 Message-ID: <11ldsrt5eqpe47d@corp.supernews.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >>bob@instantwhip.com wrote: >>, >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27069 >  > F >>"Singer says Sun hears a consistent message from HP customers: "TheyD >>have no idea where HP is going." Even Intel, he says, has begun toH >>eschew the Itanium in favour of Montecito but when you talk to HP they >>have one direction - Itanium"  >  > F > It makes sense if you assume someone mixed up Montecito and Paxville > (the dual core Xeon).   G Hell of an assumption Alan.  Maybe for some, but this is suppost to be  H someone intimate with computers.  Sounds like a real loose cannon to me.  B E-mailed the author of the piece.  Told him his work was a little I shoddy, if all he could do is regurgutate Sun propaganda without calling  ( the guy on some of the obvious mistakes.  J >>How clueless does this guy have to be to not know that Montecito is justI >>another version of the itanic?  Would you buy a computer from this guy?      --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:07:23 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>8 Subject: Re: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space!= Message-ID: <e6idnRB5R6VAZsveRVn-jw@metrocastcablevision.com>    Dave Froble wrote: > Alan Greig wrote:  >  >> Dave Froble wrote:  >> >>> bob@instantwhip.com wrote: >>> . >>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27069 >> >> >>H >>> "Singer says Sun hears a consistent message from HP customers: "TheyF >>> have no idea where HP is going." Even Intel, he says, has begun toJ >>> eschew the Itanium in favour of Montecito but when you talk to HP they! >>> have one direction - Itanium"  >> >> >>G >> It makes sense if you assume someone mixed up Montecito and Paxville  >> (the dual core Xeon). >  > I > Hell of an assumption Alan.  Maybe for some, but this is suppost to be  J > someone intimate with computers.  Sounds like a real loose cannon to me. > D > E-mailed the author of the piece.  Told him his work was a little K > shoddy, if all he could do is regurgutate Sun propaganda without calling  * > the guy on some of the obvious mistakes.  E Why do you assume that the mistake was made by Singer and not by the  H article's author?  Hales does not regularly cover processors and is not G always the sharpest tool in The Inquirer's shed:  if he were, he would  E presumably have commented upon the inconsistency himself rather than  K merely passed it on (let alone in a paraphrase rather than a direct quote).    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Oct 2005 18:02:41 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com 1 Subject: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) C Message-ID: <1129770161.487022.235110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Dear distribution lists,  D As you can tell I am back in my office after a wonderful three weeksB doing the European OpenVMS Technical Update Days.  This message ofE updated VMS information is long and please keep in mind that urls can B and do wrap to the next line, they all work I have tried them all.  E Sorry about this size of this, but its better than sending individual  email messages.   F Reminder where the jobs are concerned I have nothing to do with hiring anyone.    Warm Regards as always,  Sue        Table of Contents   * Asia Pacific OpenVMS Technical Update days
 ANNOUNCEMENTS B 	The HP DECset V12.7 product release is now shipping to customers!0 	availability of Web Service Integration Toolkik	 Reminders  VMS MENTIONS IN THE PRESS E NOW AVAILABLE for the French and Italian VMS readers in our community  COOL WEB SITES - my favorites  EVENTS New Feature - "It is Personal" Jobs - there is a bunch of them   K ___________________________________________________________________________ B Asia Pacific OpenVMS Technical Update Days still to come - see you there 1 Sydney Nov 3-4 http://www.hp.com.au/ovmstechdays/ 5 Melbourne Nov 8-9, http://www.hp.com.au/ovmstechdays/  Singapore Nov 14-15 5 http://h50055.www5.hp.com/edm/sg/SG543010/default.htm  Taiwan Nov 17-18@ http://218.32.200.131/enterprise/activity/051117_VMs/default.asp  O _______________________________________________________________________________ 
 ANNOUNCEMENTS     A The HP DECset V12.7 product release is now shipping to customers!   G HP DECset version 12.7 for OpenVMS on HP Integrity servers, AlphaServer F systems, and VAX systems is now available. HP DECset is a powerful setA of command-line oriented development tools to be used with the HP > OpenVMS compilers to aid developers in editing, compiling, and? debugging their code. HP DECset supports multiple languages and E improves software development productivity. Language Sensitive Editor 7 (LSE) support for JAVA and HTML is new in DECset V12.7.   % For more information on DECset visit: = http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html 2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP4229/SP4229PF.PDF2 http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2707/SP2707PF.PDF> --------------------------------------------------------------  D HP has announced availability of Web Service Integration Toolkit forC OpenVMS (WSIT) version 1.0 for HP Integrity servers and AlphaServer E systems.  WSIT is a collection of easy-to-use integration tools which B are highly extensible, based on standards and built on open sourceA technology.  The toolkit can be used to call OpenVMS applications F written in 3GL languages, such as C, BASIC, COBOL, and ACMS from newerC technologies and languages such as Java, Microsoft .NET, Java -RMI, C JMS, and web services.  To learn more or to download, please visit: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/wsit/index.html      ; ___________________________________________________________ 	 Reminders   7 Articles for the Technical Journal are due November 15.   G If you have anyone that would like to sign up for the VMS interest list  just have them send me email  - New HP-Interex Belux web server in production  "http://www.hp-interex.be"  * Here is the latest issue of Customer TimesU "http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/customertimes/index.html?jumpid=em_CTjun05_hm"  __________________________   VMS MENTIONS IN THE PRESS   # HP expands virtualization offerings Z "http://searchopensource.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid39_gci1125028,00.html"  % Computerworld Article from Tech Forum S "http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,105503,00.html"   D Stop Arguing About Cars and Start Managing Fleets (this one compares VMS to being just like UNIX)4 "http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh101705-story04.html"  D IBM User Group President Warns Of IT Personnel Shortage (I like this one)L "http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=171204068"  D its an interview with the Samba team lead and he does mention VMS as
 one of the target platformsX "http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1127053,00.html"  V **************************************************************************************  E NOW AVAILABLE for the French and Italian VMS readers in our community   1 	Italian OpenVMS.Org site - http://it.openvms.org 0 	French OpenVMS.Org site - http://fr.OpenVMS.Org  W ***************************************************************************************    COOL WEB SITES - my favorites    OpenVMS ebusiness information 3 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ebusiness/technology.html   6 THIS IS VERY COOL LOOK AT THIS - Molecular expressions? http://microscopy.fsu.edu/wallpaper/macpaper/chipshots/dec.html    _______________________________  EVENTS  F OpenVMS Technical Update Days, Sydney Nov 3-4 and Melbourne Nov - 8-9," http://www.hp.com.au/ovmstechdays/( Montreal Canada Technical Seminar Oct 27+ http://www.encompasscanada.com/seminars.htm ( Edmonton Canada Technical Seminar Oct 31+ http://www.encompasscanada.com/seminars.htm   ) _________________________________________     D New Feature - Each week I am going to add something personal about aB VMS user/customer/engineer as long as I get the information. It is# Personal -----Original Message----- 7 From: Colin Butcher [mailto:colin.butcher@xdelta.co.uk] ' Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:33 PM  To: Colin Butcher + Subject: My brother's golf course and range     E I know that I've told some of you about this and that you'd asked for C more information if you were over this way. If it's not of interest  then please ignore it.  E If you're in the Edinburgh area and are interested in golf (I'm not!) E then you might find this of use: http://www.kings-acregolf.com/2.html C Apparently they'll also put together "day packages" for conferences  etc. if you'd find that of use.   A Claude Harmon is Butch Harmon's son (Butch is the coach for Tiger F Woods). Ian knows him well and persuaded him to join him at Kings Acre working with Alan.    It's supposed to be pretty good.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:01:50 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> Subject: Re: URL grumble+ Message-ID: <3rng0dFkaamaU1@individual.net>    jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:  > issinoho wrote:  >  >>A few observations,  >>/ >>Why does http://www.openvms.com take me here, ! >>http://www.acctgsoftware.com/ ?  >>G >>Also why do, http://www.hp.com/openvms  & http://openvms.hp.com/ give  >>me big fat 404's ? >>I >>And why has the official site got a URL of http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ ? C >>Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue does it? And not a mention of  >>(open)vms in the URL!  >>; >>Would it be too hard to make things a bit easier to find?  >> >>/grumble>  >  > 4 > I can't imagine what would be easier to find than: > % >      http://www.openvms.digital.com  > @ > which still works.  And as long as enough folks keep using it," > hopefully HP won't shut it down. >    also:   %         http://www.openvms.compaq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:20:33 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com>  Subject: Re: URL grumble1 Message-ID: <dj6kf0$i8s$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   ' Well I still use www.compaq.com/openvms   & Just 'cos it's the only one I remember   Regards Richard Maher   3 "Paul Sture" <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote in message % news:3rng0dFkaamaU1@individual.net...  > jordan@ccs4vms.com wrote:  > > issinoho wrote:  > >  > >>A few observations,  > >>1 > >>Why does http://www.openvms.com take me here, # > >>http://www.acctgsoftware.com/ ?  > >>I > >>Also why do, http://www.hp.com/openvms  & http://openvms.hp.com/ give  > >>me big fat 404's ? > >>K > >>And why has the official site got a URL of http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ ? E > >>Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue does it? And not a mention of  > >>(open)vms in the URL!  > >>= > >>Would it be too hard to make things a bit easier to find?  > >>
 > >>/grumble>  > >  > > 6 > > I can't imagine what would be easier to find than: > > ' > >      http://www.openvms.digital.com  > > B > > which still works.  And as long as enough folks keep using it,$ > > hopefully HP won't shut it down. > >  >  > also:  > ' >         http://www.openvms.compaq.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:32:33 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: URL grumble0 Message-ID: <00A4B86C.511DAF1C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <dj6kf0$i8s$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes: ( >Well I still use www.compaq.com/openvms > ' >Just 'cos it's the only one I remember   ) Well I still use www.openvms.digital.com    ( Just 'cos it's the only one to remember.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:26:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: URL grumble, Message-ID: <4356E40A.EA434776@teksavvy.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: * > Well I still use www.openvms.digital.com > * > Just 'cos it's the only one to remember.   I use ww.hp.com/go/vms  E Just 'cos it is shorter to type. And I know it annoys HP to no end to E know cutsomers are still using "VMS" instead of the darned open word.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.585 ************************