1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 20 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 586       Contents:. "Jumbo Packets" and TCPIP Services for OpenVMS# Alpha 8400 and VAX 7700 CPU cabinet 0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution Re: ES40 MODEL NUMBER F$GETSYI= For Sale: DEC TU81E-CA TU81 PLUS 9 TRACK Tape Drive (TU81ECA)  HP says Sun goes down  Re: LASER symbiont Re: LASER symbiont Re: LASER symbiont Re: LASER symbiont Re: LASER symbiont Looking for TCP/IP 5.4 eco Re: Looking for TCP/IP 5.4 eco Oracle 9i or 10g under itanium) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? ' Re: pws600au vms startup console output , Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday), Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday), Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday), Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday), Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) Re: URL grumble = [Q] Where are text strings in SHOW.EXE? (Technical Question!) A Re: [Q] Where are text strings in SHOW.EXE? (Technical Question!)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 09:17:22 -0700" From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com7 Subject: "Jumbo Packets" and TCPIP Services for OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1129825042.115117.303420@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F      I am running OpenVMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP Services for OpenVMS version 5.4, ECO 4.   F      I am trying to maximize the throughput of my GB NIC (connected toG a GB Network) while using the ABClient Product (VMS agent for TSM, from B StorServer).    The Customer Support for ABClient suggested that ID should investigate whether the TCPIP stack supports "Jumbo Packets".   So 3 Questions  ? Q1.   Does TCPIP Services for OpenVMS, 5.4 ECO 4 support "Jumbo  Packets"??? B Q2.   How would I be able to find out if I am already using them??F Q3.   If it does (from Q1), and I am not (from Q2), how do I turn them on????   Thanks in advance.   Dave.    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2005 13:39:21 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> , Subject: Alpha 8400 and VAX 7700 CPU cabinet0 Message-ID: <slrndlf7g9.12p.thierry@MARS.Family>   Hello!  O There is an Alpha 8400 and a VAX 7700 CPU cabinet to be given away near Zurich, M Switzerland.  The Alpha 8400 has 12 425MHz CPUs and 4 GB of RAM, I don't know 9 about the VAX, but it should all be in working condition. J There's also a PDP-11/23, a VAXmate and a VT 340 if anybody is interested. Here are some pictures: 1 http://www.computermuseum.li/Sold/thumbnails.html O (a lot of the stuff is already gone, but you can see the Alpha, the VAX and the  PDP-11)    Thierry    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:36:54 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution + Message-ID: <3rp396FkgtenU1@individual.net>    Alan Greig wrote:  > Tom Simpson wrote: > H >>What bothers me is why doesn't the entire job abort when you issue theM >>DELETE/ENTRY command?  The DELETE/ENTRY command appears to be doing a force N >>exit on the running image only, returning control to the batch command file.L >>I would think it should also delete process  that is executing the command >>file too.  >  > H > I'm suggesting that it does but the forced exit occurs a little beforeD > the process is killed. On a fast Alpha that can get you a few moreH > lines of DCL. I think I have seen this happen before but only when SET. > NOON which I wouldn't normally use in batch.  G I've seen this before, and IIRC as part of testing / migration to V4.0!   B I think you are correct about the image being aborted but the DCL E carrying on when SET NOON is in effect, and have certainly cured the  5 problem in the past with a judiciously placed SET ON.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 07:14:32 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution 3 Message-ID: <SmakvS7PwnML@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <1129745346.745018.198270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "jlmadden" <jmadden@hvhs.org> writes: F > We're running OpenVMS 7.3 and have come across the following.  A jobG > was found to be executing a program that was in a loop.  The operator I > performed a Delete/Entry=### on the job.  The job stopped executing the F > program, printed "job aborted" in the log, then proceeded to execute< > all the remaining commands in the DCL command file.  AfterE > experimenting with the use of Delete and Stop/ID, we found that the I > problem seems to occur only when the line in the com file following the F > command that is executing does NOT start with a $ symbol.  We have a' > 4GL report writer that requires this:  > eg:  $ SET DEFAULT JOBSPACE 	 >      $! 
 >      $ Quiz  >        exe PDRM1401_01 >        exe PDRM1401_02	 >      $! . >      $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1 >      . >      . >      .E > When the Delete/Entry=456 command was entered while the PDRM1401_01 G > module was executing, the following messages were placed into the log / > file and the job continued executing with the  > print statement: >  > $! > $ Quiz >   exe PDRM1401_01 / > %JBC-F-JOBABORT, job aborted during execution D > %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored  D I no longer have a VMS system to play around to test this in detail,G but I believe that a queue manager abort is implemented as a SYS$FORCEX > delivered as a user mode AST to the target process with a exit status of JBC-F-JOBABORT.   ? The effect of this is to run down any currently executing image 5 so that it terminates with the JBC-F-JOBABORT status.   G Now, as you have helpfully shown above, this fatal (-F-) status appears H to be superseded by the DCL-W-SKPDAT code.  So, where DCL would normallyB have done the default ON ERROR THEN EXIT handling and run down theF current command procedure, the DCL-W-SKPDAT is quietly ignored and the procedure continues.  D My recollection is that the queue manager gives FORCEX a few secondsD to percolate and then whips out the $DCLPRC hammer to hit the targetC batch job with.  If the batch job can complete normally within that = few second grace period, this would fit the symptoms you see.   E I also recall (albeit less reliably) that if the batch job is running F purely at DCL level (in Supervisor mode) and not activating any imagesA then the user mode $FORCEX will be completely ineffective and the E first thing that impacts the batch job is the $DCLPRC hammer falling.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:17:56 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution ( Message-ID: <dj85e4$pq5$1@pcls4.std.com>    briggs@encompasserve.org writes:  E >I no longer have a VMS system to play around to test this in detail, H >but I believe that a queue manager abort is implemented as a SYS$FORCEX? >delivered as a user mode AST to the target process with a exit  >status of JBC-F-JOBABORT.  @ >The effect of this is to run down any currently executing image6 >so that it terminates with the JBC-F-JOBABORT status.  H >Now, as you have helpfully shown above, this fatal (-F-) status appearsI >to be superseded by the DCL-W-SKPDAT code.  So, where DCL would normally C >have done the default ON ERROR THEN EXIT handling and run down the G >current command procedure, the DCL-W-SKPDAT is quietly ignored and the  >procedure continues.   E >My recollection is that the queue manager gives FORCEX a few seconds E >to percolate and then whips out the $DCLPRC hammer to hit the target D >batch job with.  If the batch job can complete normally within that> >few second grace period, this would fit the symptoms you see.  I I vaguely remember reading that the queue manager first issues a $FORCEX, G then issues what amounts to a $FORCEX in supervisor mode after waiting, @ then again in exec mode before the actual $DELPRC (not $DCLPRC).  C The first will run down an image, but DCL will continue on if there I is a $ SET NOON or something (and that forcex will have no effect if the  I batch job is in a DCL only loop), the second may behave similarly due to  H the way DCL is implemented (except no immunity from being in a DCL only E loop), the third is effectively almost as big of a hammer as $DELPRC.   F >I also recall (albeit less reliably) that if the batch job is runningG >purely at DCL level (in Supervisor mode) and not activating any images B >then the user mode $FORCEX will be completely ineffective and theF >first thing that impacts the batch job is the $DCLPRC hammer falling.  H No effect to DCL by a user mode $FORCEX, correct.  Not sure if my memoryG is correct that there are more attempts after the first $FORCEX and the  $DELPRC or not.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 08:02:43 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution A Message-ID: <1129820563.341686.3610@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Michael Moroney wrote:" > briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > G > >I no longer have a VMS system to play around to test this in detail, J > >but I believe that a queue manager abort is implemented as a SYS$FORCEXA > >delivered as a user mode AST to the target process with a exit  > >status of JBC-F-JOBABORT. > B > >The effect of this is to run down any currently executing image8 > >so that it terminates with the JBC-F-JOBABORT status. > J > >Now, as you have helpfully shown above, this fatal (-F-) status appearsK > >to be superseded by the DCL-W-SKPDAT code.  So, where DCL would normally E > >have done the default ON ERROR THEN EXIT handling and run down the I > >current command procedure, the DCL-W-SKPDAT is quietly ignored and the  > >procedure continues.  > G > >My recollection is that the queue manager gives FORCEX a few seconds G > >to percolate and then whips out the $DCLPRC hammer to hit the target F > >batch job with.  If the batch job can complete normally within that@ > >few second grace period, this would fit the symptoms you see. > K > I vaguely remember reading that the queue manager first issues a $FORCEX, I > then issues what amounts to a $FORCEX in supervisor mode after waiting, B > then again in exec mode before the actual $DELPRC (not $DCLPRC). > E > The first will run down an image, but DCL will continue on if there J > is a $ SET NOON or something (and that forcex will have no effect if theJ > batch job is in a DCL only loop), the second may behave similarly due toI > the way DCL is implemented (except no immunity from being in a DCL only G > loop), the third is effectively almost as big of a hammer as $DELPRC.  > H > >I also recall (albeit less reliably) that if the batch job is runningI > >purely at DCL level (in Supervisor mode) and not activating any images D > >then the user mode $FORCEX will be completely ineffective and theH > >first thing that impacts the batch job is the $DCLPRC hammer falling. > J > No effect to DCL by a user mode $FORCEX, correct.  Not sure if my memoryI > is correct that there are more attempts after the first $FORCEX and the  > $DELPRC or not.   8 I was able to reproduce the problem on a VMS 6.2 system:   $ TYPE ABORT.COM $   SET VERIFY $   SET NOON, $   DIR/FULL SYS$SYSDEVICE:[*...]/OUTPUT=NL:
 IMAGE LINE IMAGE LINE 2 $   SHOW SYMBOL $STATUS  $   EXIT   $ TYPE ABORT.LOG $ SET NOVERIFY. Running SYLOGIN.COM at 20-OCT-2005 10:56:45.04 $   SET NOON, $   DIR/FULL SYS$SYSDEVICE:[*...]/OUTPUT=NL:- %JBC-F-JOBABORT, job aborted during execution B %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored $   SHOW SYMBOL $STATUS    $STATUS == "%X00048084"  $   EXIT  % Notice that the severity is 4, not 0.   A >From the 6.2 release notes (don't know if this has been modified  since):   ( 4.1.1.1 Terminating Executing Batch Jobs V6.27   Under the following conditions, the DELETE/ENTRY com- 1   mand might fail to stop an executing batch job:        . 1         The batch job is a DCL command procedure.    . 5         There is an ON ERROR CONTINUE command (or SET 3         NOON command) within the command procedure.     3   The DELETE/ENTRY command causes the job to termi- ?   nate in phases. A delete_process AST routine is given in user 9   mode, supervisor mode, and then executive mode. Because @   there is a small delay between each mode, it is possible that,;   in a batch job, a user-mode image might terminate and the 7   command procedure might continue to execute until the 9   supervisor-mode delete_process AST routine is executed.     5   The return status of the SYNCHRONIZE command is as- =   sumed to contain the termination status of the target batch :   job. In addition, command procedures would normally exe-0   cute a command such as $ON ERROR THEN CONTINUE2   or $SET NOON before issuing the SYNCHRONIZE com-2   mand. If a DELETE/ENTRY command is issued to the2   job executing the SYNCHRONIZE command, the JBC$_9   JOBABORT is interpreted as being the termination status <   of the target batch job rather than a return status of the1   SYNCHRONIZE command. The command procedure then A   continues to execute for a short period with this incorrect as- :   sumption and performs an operation such as requeuing theC   target batch job or incorrectly reporting a failure of the target    batch job.    6   This problem has been fixed for the SYNCHRONIZE com-9   mand by detecting this situation and waiting in an exit 8   handler for longer than the delay between the user and$   supervisor mode termination delay.    >   Any other images that would report the job completion status4   obtained by the SJC$_SYNCHRONIZE_JOB function code;   of the $SNDJBC system service as the return status of the :   program should implement logic similar to the following:       1. Declare an exit handler8   2. In the exit handler, implement the following logic:)         IF (exit status is JBC$_JOBABORT)          THEN               Wait 10 seconds 
         ENDIF    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:02:36 -0500 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) ' Subject: Re: ES40 MODEL NUMBER F$GETSYI 1 Message-ID: <05102012023623@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    John Santos wrote: > 1987 > 8 > (Definitely an ES40 w/ 4 833MHz's.  Not sure if it's a@ > model 1 or model 2.  It has lots of PCI slots, if that helps.)   Thanks - that works for me!   > The search sys$share:*.req ALPHA$K,ES40/match=and ... I wish! F I am on V7.2-1 - thanks anyway - forewarned for better things to come.     John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:16:25 -0500 + From: Chuck Aaron <caaron@ceris.purdue.edu> F Subject: For Sale: DEC TU81E-CA TU81 PLUS 9 TRACK Tape Drive (TU81ECA)5 Message-ID: <dj85b4$grs$1@mailhub227.itcs.purdue.edu>   F This is in like new condition. Magnetic Tape 1 x TU81-PLUS tape drive  (1600/6250 bpi, 9 tracks).G These are being sold for between 400-500 wholesale. Buyer must come to  " Lafayette Indiana to pick up. Make/ an offer.  Pictures are available upon request.   D If you do a search in Google for "TU81 Plus" you will find a lot of  information on this.   Chuck    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 07:32:35 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: HP says Sun goes down3 Message-ID: <WdjLll0i2r0o@eisner.encompasserve.org>       http://whogivesadamn    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:08:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: LASER symbiont , Message-ID: <43574269.4A347D18@teksavvy.com>   GeorgeC wrote: > 	 > Hi all,  > / > I am running OpenVMS V7.2-2 on an Alpha 1200.  > ? > I have a few LAT print queues using the LASER print symbiont.   E I am not familiar with the "LASER" print symbiont. When you do a SHOW ; QUEUE/FULL on the queue, what does it say for "/PROCESSOR="     B > print servers.  The printers are fitted with ethernet interfacesA > so they are capable of being connected to the network directly.   F You need to find out what protocols your printers support on ethernet.B For instance, my old DEClaser 5100 support LAT, APPLETALK and some proprietary windows crap stuff.   G If your pronbters support LAT, then it is simply a question of pointing H your queue definitions to the printer's LAT address instead of the print server's LAT address.   H Also, you failed to mention what data formats your printers support ? DoD they support raw simple ascii, or do they want Postscript or do they) offer choice between Postscript and PCL ?       G > What are my options?  At this stage I want to avoid using DCPS, which B > I now believe is free and included in the standard distribution.  D DCPS gives you plenty of flexibility as well as excellemt support ofE basic VMS queue/forms when sending to postscript capable printers. It G also does on-the fly conversion of ANSI escape sequences to postscript.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 10:12:32 +0200. From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) Subject: Re: LASER symbiont + Message-ID: <+fgjFGV7lHMo@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   u In article <1129785070.677828.210440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "GeorgeC" <gconstantinides@myrealbox.com> writes:  > G > Is there a more recent version of LASER (or similar) which works with  > TELNET queues? >   9 I'm pretty sure yes, although I didn't use it since many   years.; Try to specify /ON="TCP%host:port" in the queue definition. 7 If You can't find a more recent version in VMS software 8 archives (like mvb.saic.com or www.process.com/openvms), try my version at 6  http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/vmssig/archive/laser.zip .8 It contains a source version laser2.c, which I modified & to compile and work with DECC and UCX.   --  @    Joseph Huber , Muenchen,Germany:  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:38:37 +0200 , From: Albrecht Schlosser <ajs856@tiscali.de> Subject: Re: LASER symbiont , Message-ID: <1jo7jd.e6h.ln@news.hus-soft.de>   GeorgeC wrote:	 > Hi all,  > / > I am running OpenVMS V7.2-2 on an Alpha 1200.  > ? > I have a few LAT print queues using the LASER print symbiont. A > These printers are connected to the network via Emulex (NETQUE) B > print servers.  The printers are fitted with ethernet interfacesA > so they are capable of being connected to the network directly.  > F > I want to connect the printers directly on the network and eliminateB > the print servers. I can do that by converting the LAT queues toH > TCPIP queues and use the default TCPIP print symbiont TCPIP$TELNETSYM.4 > In fact, I do this already with some of my queues. > However there is a snag... > I > User written applications rely on queue form definitions (LANDSCAPE,..) 4 > that do not work with the default TELNET symbiont.  H I never heard (read) that TCPIP$TELNETSYM can't handle form definitions H (correctly). AFAIK TELNETSYM doesn't differ from LATSYM in this respect.  E However, it is true that the LPD symbiont doesn't interpret/use form  F definitions properly - and that's why we always use relay queues with J TCPIP$TELNETSYM (!) to format the pages (with form definitions) and relay  the print to a LPD queue.   J Are you sure that TELNETSYM is the problem? Did you add the correct setup 3 library ( /LIBRARY=... ) to the TELNET print queue?    Albrecht   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:28:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: LASER symbiont , Message-ID: <4357C5BB.F28994A3@teksavvy.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > w > In article <1129785070.677828.210440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "GeorgeC" <gconstantinides@myrealbox.com> writes: 0 > >I am running OpenVMS V7.2-2 on an Alpha 1200. >  > Time for an upgrade ;-)   G While 7.2 is not considered a "landing zone" version from HP's point of D view, it is to customers the moral equivalent of 5.5-2.  Also, afterH 7.2/x since some functionality was removed (notably display postscript), not everyone can upgrade.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:00:13 -0500 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M)  Subject: Re: LASER symbiont 1 Message-ID: <05102012001329@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    > GeorgeC wrote: > > Hi all,  > > 1 > > I am running OpenVMS V7.2-2 on an Alpha 1200.  > > A > > I have a few LAT print queues using the LASER print symbiont. C > > These printers are connected to the network via Emulex (NETQUE) D > > print servers.  The printers are fitted with ethernet interfacesC > > so they are capable of being connected to the network directly.  > > H > > I want to connect the printers directly on the network and eliminateD > > the print servers. I can do that by converting the LAT queues toJ > > TCPIP queues and use the default TCPIP print symbiont TCPIP$TELNETSYM.6 > > In fact, I do this already with some of my queues. > > However there is a snag... > > K > > User written applications rely on queue form definitions (LANDSCAPE,..) 6 > > that do not work with the default TELNET symbiont.   Albrecht Schlosser wrote: J > I never heard (read) that TCPIP$TELNETSYM can't handle form definitions J > (correctly). AFAIK TELNETSYM doesn't differ from LATSYM in this respect. > G > However, it is true that the LPD symbiont doesn't interpret/use form  H > definitions properly - and that's why we always use relay queues with L > TCPIP$TELNETSYM (!) to format the pages (with form definitions) and relay  > the print to a LPD queue.  > L > Are you sure that TELNETSYM is the problem? Did you add the correct setup 5 > library ( /LIBRARY=... ) to the TELNET print queue?   ) What about FORTRAN control characters ?    0  = CR  1  = FF  +  = overwrite
 sp = new line          John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:33:52 +0100 , From: Ted Allwood <support@leva.leeds.ac.uk># Subject: Looking for TCP/IP 5.4 eco 4 Message-ID: <00A4B91C.8575C1DB.108@leva.leeds.ac.uk>   Hi,   2 I'm looking for Eco 4 (or higher if it exists) for% HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha    ? I've searched through ftp.itrc.hp.com but can't find it (other  9 than what appears to be for a Japanese language version).    Pointers would be welcome.     Thanks,  Ted    --  K Support@leva.leeds.ac.uk                                Tel:  0113 34 32167 + www.mech-eng.leeds.ac.uk/support/index.html G School of Mechanical Engineering,  University of Leeds,  Leeds  LS2 9JT    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 08:56:22 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com' Subject: Re: Looking for TCP/IP 5.4 eco C Message-ID: <1129823782.947158.296540@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   m ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered_products/alpha/DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0504-155-4.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 09:05:47 -0700' From: "itanium" <ulloa.edgar@gmail.com> ' Subject: Oracle 9i or 10g under itanium C Message-ID: <1129824347.026269.194300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hello   E Some one knows if oracle 9i or 10g is available to work with ovms 8.2  or 8.2-1 under itanium..?      Regards    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:29:38 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?< Message-ID: <mkK5f.57492$U9.33693@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  I > I doubt there are many dissident groups in China using computer systems J > with HP Color Laser Printers.  Forgeting the cost, the power consumptionI > and TEMPEST emmissions would give them away long before their pamphlets  > hit the street.     G Typically such groups would just be running them off in quiet hours on  B the office copier. Last place I worked with a lot of colour laser G printers, engineers would regularly print off non work related stuff -  E often literature for voluntary organizations (including church) they  D were involved with. As long as nobody pushed their luck too far the  company would turn a blind eye.   F Are you saying you are perfectly happy that ID watermarking  does not I pose a potential security problem itself in that anyone can now identify  C the date, time and printer serial number of any Xerox printout for  I example? The Xerox code is so simple that anyone can decode it. Not just  H folks in black helicopters. There seems to be no reason to suspect that . other manufacturer codes are any more complex.     --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2005 13:02:08 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?+ Message-ID: <3rpiqgFkfcmeU1@individual.net>   < In article <mkK5f.57492$U9.33693@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,+ 	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > J >> I doubt there are many dissident groups in China using computer systemsK >> with HP Color Laser Printers.  Forgeting the cost, the power consumption J >> and TEMPEST emmissions would give them away long before their pamphlets >> hit the street.   > I > Typically such groups would just be running them off in quiet hours on  D > the office copier. Last place I worked with a lot of colour laser I > printers, engineers would regularly print off non work related stuff -  G > often literature for voluntary organizations (including church) they  F > were involved with. As long as nobody pushed their luck too far the ! > company would turn a blind eye.   ? And considering the dangerous nature of the item (remember, the ? original claim was it could be used to track disidents printing ? inflamatory pamphlets) which would you choose to print it on? A = 4 page a minute color laser or a 24 page a minute black one?  = What is likely to be int he pamphlet that requires color?  Or = have disidents caught the same disease as webmasters and it's $ now more about fluff than substance?   > H > Are you saying you are perfectly happy that ID watermarking  does not K > pose a potential security problem itself in that anyone can now identify  E > the date, time and printer serial number of any Xerox printout for  B > example? The Xerox code is so simple that anyone can decode it.   D If it's that simple, then it is just as easily obfuscated meaning itE really doesn't tell anything because you can't be sure it hasn't been 	 doctored.   K >                                                                 Not just  J > folks in black helicopters. There seems to be no reason to suspect that 0 > other manufacturer codes are any more complex.   E To me, this is just another example of crying wolf.  It has been done E enough that people are ignoring things that pose much greater threats H to theiir privacy. Like OnStar and GPS phones and camera and microphones% scattered around us in public places.   C The biggest threat I see in the printer scheme is their using up my D yellow ink without my permission.  Some people are straining so hardB to see the gnats flying in front of them that they fail to see the# scorpion sitting ont heir shoulder.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:08:53 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?& Message-ID: <4357a4f2$1@news1.ethz.ch>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:? > What is likely to be int he pamphlet that requires color?  Or ? > have disidents caught the same disease as webmasters and it's & > now more about fluff than substance?  E Which means that this yellow marking as an effective measure against   terrorism is pure crap.   G What would be then the _real_ reason of having the printouts marked? I  E fail to imagine some lousy (ink) printed dollar bills disrupting the  4 economy, so why do they need to cover it under such   anti-terror-booga-booga reasons?   S    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2005 14:26:06 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?+ Message-ID: <3rpnnuFk454tU1@individual.net>   & In article <4357a4f2$1@news1.ethz.ch>,! 	S <soterroatyahoodotcom> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:@ >> What is likely to be int he pamphlet that requires color?  Or@ >> have disidents caught the same disease as webmasters and it's' >> now more about fluff than substance?  > G > Which means that this yellow marking as an effective measure against   > terrorism is pure crap.   F Probably, but it's today's buzzword. (Which fails to take into accountH the fact that I was guarding places in Germany against terrorist attacks 35 years ago.)   > I > What would be then the _real_ reason of having the printouts marked? I  G > fail to imagine some lousy (ink) printed dollar bills disrupting the  6 > economy, so why do they need to cover it under such " > anti-terror-booga-booga reasons?  I Color printers and copiers are capabale of making bills that can not only H fool the average sales clerk but also most change machines.  The resultsK from todays printers are hardly "lousy", they are perfect copies.  I am not J an economist so I can't say how many it would take to disrupt the economy,J but a small number (several hundred thousand dollars) could seriously harmI the economy of a small area and the materials and effort required to make D counterfeit bills today is trivial.  It has been succesfully done by	 children.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:23:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?, Message-ID: <4357B667.1FAE7E75@teksavvy.com>   S wrote:H > What would be then the _real_ reason of having the printouts marked? IF > fail to imagine some lousy (ink) printed dollar bills disrupting the5 > economy, so why do they need to cover it under such " > anti-terror-booga-booga reasons?    G Do not underestimate counterfeiting. The USA's new best friend, Colonel A Kadhafi of Lybia had stolen USD $100 plates and was using his own E printing presses to print "perfect" $100 notes. Good money laundering G would just inject those notes into the world currency system undetected = and Kadhafi could then use their value to buy weapons and pay 3 terrorists. We,re talking large sums of money here.   A The problem got serious enough that banks outside the USA stopped C accepting $100 bills for fear that it might be counterfeit and when D exchanged with a US bank, the bills would be refused and value lost.H Once banks outside the USA start to refuse to trade in USD, it removes aO lot of versatility needed for one currency to be considered a "world" currency.   F This is why the $100 note was the first one to get revamped from 1950s@ printing technology into 1990s technology. (this would be in the 1995/1996 timeframe).   G Now, Kadhafi wasn't using simple copiers. However, simple copiers would > allow small time criminals to print small amounts of money and@ travellers' cheques. While each criminal may not be dealing withR millions, the widespread abuse would still generate much distrust of the currency.  F The is one reason why current currencies embed features into the paper0 itself. Those can't be reproduced by the copier.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:48:30 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?) Message-ID: <h%O5f.7120$RG4.911@fe05.lga>    S wrote:@ >> What is likely to be int he pamphlet that requires color?  Or@ >> have disidents caught the same disease as webmasters and it's' >> now more about fluff than substance?  >  > G > Which means that this yellow marking as an effective measure against   > terrorism is pure crap.   C Color copiers/printers can also be used to forge very good quality  5 documents, not just currency and anti-govt pamphlets.     I > What would be then the _real_ reason of having the printouts marked? I  G > fail to imagine some lousy (ink) printed dollar bills disrupting the  6 > economy, so why do they need to cover it under such " > anti-terror-booga-booga reasons?  H For one thing, it makes identifying the source easy and that could help  secure a criminal conviction.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:03:30 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?& Message-ID: <4357bfce$1@news1.ethz.ch>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:K > Color printers and copiers are capabale of making bills that can not only J > fool the average sales clerk but also most change machines.  The resultsM > from todays printers are hardly "lousy", they are perfect copies.  I am not   < I was somehow assuming that watermarking, metallic threads, I fluorescence, plastic gizmos and more would be used and checked nowadays   on the real banknotes.G Anyway to print at home several hundred thousand dollars and never get  ' caught is looking still quite sci-fi...    S    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Oct 2005 16:35:09 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?+ Message-ID: <3rpv9tFkfphoU1@individual.net>   & In article <4357bfce$1@news1.ethz.ch>,! 	S <soterroatyahoodotcom> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote:L >> Color printers and copiers are capabale of making bills that can not onlyK >> fool the average sales clerk but also most change machines.  The results N >> from todays printers are hardly "lousy", they are perfect copies.  I am not > > > I was somehow assuming that watermarking, metallic threads, K > fluorescence, plastic gizmos and more would be used and checked nowadays   > on the real banknotes.  H That only applies to the new bills.  And, the only test I have ever seenI done by a clerk was that "special" pen that is supposed to test the bill. H Of course, I have also seen clerks grab a regular marker, put a strip on0 the bill and then put it in the cash drawer. :-)  I > Anyway to print at home several hundred thousand dollars and never get  ) > caught is looking still quite sci-fi...   - http://www.nbc13.com/news/1845420/detail.html L http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/1999/12/07/p2s1.htm$ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9522474/> http://www.charlatan.ca/articles/2002/10/17/stories/95606.htmlu http://chronicle.com/errors.dir/noauthorization.php3?page=/che-data/articles.dir/art-44.dir/issue-20.dir/20a01002.htm   E These are just what I could find in under 5 minutes with crude google D searches.  Apparently they have been doing this since at least 1999.F If the crude scanners and printers from way back then could make billsG that were passable, what about today?  I also skipped the articles that G weren't about money.  There were numerous articles about forged student E visas, parking permits, diplomas, drivers licenses and numerous other I useful items.  We even had a student that got thrown out of here a couple H of years ago who had a scanner, printer and laminatori in his dorm room.F He was selling bogus New Jersey driver's licenses so underage students could get into the local bars.  E Of course, the bad news is this defense only works with the naive and G truly stupid.  If I were going to counterfeit a couple million in stock H certificates or bonds, I could easily afford to pay someone to "fix" theF firmware int he printer to remove this evidence.  But I am sure no oneE here thinks the SS or any other government agency is all that bright.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:51:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?, Message-ID: <4357CB00.AA3E2FAE@teksavvy.com>   Z wrote:I > For one thing, it makes identifying the source easy and that could help  > secure a criminal conviction.     G If you are using a $10,000 printer to forge a million dollar fraud, and D you know the printer leaves a watermark, then you simply destroy theH printer after you've printed your documents. They may be able to get theF serial number of the printer, but unless they find a printer with thatF serial number in your possession, they can't tie the documents to you.  @ The way this is going in the USA, I wouldn't be surprised to seeG requirement for a user to place finger or eye in front of printer prior H to his job printing so that his personal information (fingerprint or eye, retina info) can be encoded into the output.  C BTW, in the Helios 737 crash of august, it has been determined that G while one flight attendants with portable breathing aparatus could have H saved the plane because he had pilot training, he was unable to get intoG the cokcpit due to the anti terrorist rules forcing cockpit doors to be H locked at all times. Only once the engines ran out of fuel did the doorsE unlock allowing the FA to go in and try to save situation, but it was 	 too late.   6 Over-reacting to terrorism hurts more than terrorism.   F Does anyone really want to visit london knowing that the police have aG policy of shooting tourists to kill and that this policy is condoned by G the goverment ? (or that they can detain anyone for 3 months while they C concuct evidence for whatever they wish to charge you with ?). This H doesn't beat the USA with gantanamo bay. But it does beat Australia with( its 14 day prison without charge policy.  E While you may say this is extremely OT, it isn't. In both cases of UK D and Australia, the reason given for detaining people so long withoutF charge is to give time for the police to get access to their computersC and decrypt any information stored in their hard drives. Of course, C while you're in prison, you have no way of ensuring that the police G aren't tampering with the information on your computers and if they put < in information, you have no way to prove that it was added.   G In the "big picture", computers are really very untrustable information G storage devices since it is so easy for someone with full access to the - machine to tamper with the information in it.   C So in the end, criminals will learn not to store any information on G their computers but rather hide it on the internet somwhere without any C information in their computer on where it is hidden. So a search of D their home/computer would not reveal any information on the location' where the information is really stored.   ? So, in the end, arresting those people without any evidence and D detaining them for 90 days or whatever will not add to security. TheB only way to catch them will be to get a warrant to intercept theirG communications and find out where they store their information and then ' arrest them once you have the evidence.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 11:55:28 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?3 Message-ID: <v5z1Sxfx0iqY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G In article <4357a4f2$1@news1.ethz.ch>, S <soterroatyahoodotcom> writes:  > I > What would be then the _real_ reason of having the printouts marked? I  G > fail to imagine some lousy (ink) printed dollar bills disrupting the  6 > economy, so why do they need to cover it under such " > anti-terror-booga-booga reasons?  D    The real reason is simply traceability of anything the governmentD    can get it's hands on.  Whether they're tracking down poorly doneD    counterfeiting (terrorists and others can and have used this), or*    the source of libel, they can track it.  D    I suspect soon their will be anti-tracking paper and underground     anti-tracking printer mods.  F    Meanwhile get out your old Epson daisy wheel printers, but remember)    to join the underground wheel exhange.   D    Getting back to reality, I've been in stores when blank and whiteE    photocopies of old paper money was passed.  Some folks just aren't +    to aware of what's going on aronud them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:01:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?, Message-ID: <4357CD57.AE8F87EB@teksavvy.com>   S wrote:= > I was somehow assuming that watermarking, metallic threads, J > fluorescence, plastic gizmos and more would be used and checked nowadays > on the real banknotes.H > Anyway to print at home several hundred thousand dollars and never get) > caught is looking still quite sci-fi...   G Until the mid/late 1990s, the USA's bank notes were still using ancient G technology that was very easily reproducible with cheap equipment.  The D USA had resisted upgrading its currency because it had become such a5 icon they feared people would't accept it be changed.   B Also, because the USA currency is used worldwide, the logistics ofE changing a currency are not as simple. In a domestic situation, it is G fairly easy to repatriate old banknotes and replace them with new ones. B It is also realtively easy to train banks and businesses on how to& use/recognize/check the new banknotes.  F But it is much harder to tell some small bank in Papua New Guinee thatF US banknotes have changed and that if they get any old banknotes, theyG must send them back to the USA to be replaced with new ones. Because of F this, old bank notes remain in wide circulation around the world for a+ much longer time than for other currencies.   G There are HUGE amounts of US currency in circulation outside the of the H USA. It is very hard to control. It is very hard to week out counterfeit, US currency that circulates outside the USA.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 12:15:35 -05004 From: kuhrt.nospammy@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)0 Subject: Re: pws600au vms startup console output3 Message-ID: <Hu9vyvO5jSpD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <1129469120.e0c9095f1487cbeaca1cadfe9c4310ec@teranews>, Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:J > On 2005-10-15 23:26:53 -0500, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) said: > , >> From: Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> >>  J >>> Yep, turns out it's TTA0, not OPA0.  See my response to David Sneddon. >>> A >>> The question is why you are allowed to boot from TTA0 at all.  >>  H >>    It was _helping_ you.  Some people will complain if they're hanged >> with a new rope.  >>   > I > Yeah, some help.  If it *really* wants to be helpful, it should behave  I > like a full console instead of a half-assed one.  In other words, make  H > the two ports completely interchangable, so it doesn't matter *which* I > one you use.  For that matter, all machines should do this.  Make OPA0  = > be whichever port you get input from when no OS is running.  > H > The only possible use for the current gag is if the real OPA0 port is F > physically broken.  Otherwise it makes more sense to simply use the 3 > real console port and get the full functionality.   B I had this same problem and didn't think to use the "other" serialE port.  I wound up putting a cheap video card in the beast for initial < config, and increasing my startup logging level otherwise.    D Hey, that's two new tricks I learned today!  I might not be as old a dog as I thought!  ;^)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 07:38:43 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) 3 Message-ID: <9qPk3ZniAHLK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <1129770161.487022.235110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com writes:  > C > The HP DECset V12.7 product release is now shipping to customers!  >  > ' > For more information on DECset visit: ? > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html   C    Well, I followed that link to see if some what new features were     coming along in CMS.       Alas, no Release Notes.  %    Or are they well hidden elsewhere?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:18:33 -0500 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>5 Subject: Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) D Message-ID: <craigberry-DE3B17.09183320102005@news.isp.giganews.com>  3 In article <9qPk3ZniAHLK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, =  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:   F > In article <1129770161.487022.235110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, % > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com writes:  > > E > > The HP DECset V12.7 product release is now shipping to customers!  > >  > > ) > > For more information on DECset visit: A > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html  > E >    Well, I followed that link to see if some what new features were  >    coming along in CMS.  >  >    Alas, no Release Notes. > ' >    Or are they well hidden elsewhere?   I There's a very sketchy announcement here that says LSE now supports Java  	 and HTML:    http://tinyurl.com/77l5p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:44:40 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>5 Subject: Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) + Message-ID: <3rpoqpFkfb3tU1@individual.net>    Craig A. Berry wrote: 5 > In article <9qPk3ZniAHLK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? >  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  >  > F >>In article <1129770161.487022.235110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, % >>susan_skonetski@hotmail.com writes:  >>D >>>The HP DECset V12.7 product release is now shipping to customers! >>>  >>> ( >>>For more information on DECset visit:@ >>>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html >>E >>   Well, I followed that link to see if some what new features were  >>   coming along in CMS.  >> >>   Alas, no Release Notes. >>' >>   Or are they well hidden elsewhere?  >  > K > There's a very sketchy announcement here that says LSE now supports Java   > and HTML:  >  > http://tinyurl.com/77l5p  C Following the links from that to the DECset documentation, the LSE  > Reference Manual is still the Nov-1998 version - DECset V12.3.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 16:50:03 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)5 Subject: Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) , Message-ID: <4357cabb$1@news.langstoeger.at>  q In article <9qPk3ZniAHLK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: h >In article <1129770161.487022.235110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com writes: >>  D >> The HP DECset V12.7 product release is now shipping to customers! >>  ( >> For more information on DECset visit:@ >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/decset/decset_index.html > D >   Well, I followed that link to see if some what new features were >   coming along in CMS. >  >   Alas, no Release Notes.  > & >   Or are they well hidden elsewhere?  N I saw a Cover Letter, Installation Guide and SPD, but no Release Notes either.M But I have them in the kit (means now in SYS$HELP ;-), so if you need them...   . http://www.compaq.com/info/SP4229/SP4229PF.PDFL http://h30266.www3.hp.com/masterindex/cover_letter/cover_letter_00e24d34.txt: http://h30266.www3.hp.com/masterindex/spd/spd_00f3e51c.txtX http://h30266.www3.hp.com/masterindex/installation_guide/installation_guide_001ea938.txt  K and the old V12.4 manuals at	http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/decset.html    From the DECset Cover Letter  	 July 2005   7           Read Before Installing HP DECset Version 12.7   G           The DECset kit consists of a group of programmer productivity D           tools that aid in the development of system or application(           software on an OpenVMS system.  F           The DECset V12.7 release is for three separate OpenVMS oper-H           ating system platforms: OpenVMS Alpha, OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMSI           Industry Standard 64 (I64) for Integrity servers. Minor new en- H           hancements for DECset include support for Java and HTML in the*           Language Sensitive Editor (LSE).  E           Each DECset V12.7 operating system platform consists of the            following components:   9           o  Language-Sensitive Editor (LSE), Version 5.0   4           o  Source Code Analyzer (SCA), Version 4.9  4           o  Digital Test Manager (DTM), Version 4.3  A           o  Performance and Coverage Analyzer (PCA), Version 4.9   6           o  Code Management System (CMS), Version 4.4  8           o  Module Management System (MMS), Version 3.7   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 11:46:44 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 5 Subject: Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) 3 Message-ID: <$P+2fTgxbesz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   } In article <craigberry-DE3B17.09183320102005@news.isp.giganews.com>, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> writes:  > K > There's a very sketchy announcement here that says LSE now supports Java   > and HTML:  >  > http://tinyurl.com/77l5p    $    Oh, I like that.  Thanks for URL.  H    But somehow the product "HP DECset" comes across rather odd.  I guess3    we're lucky it doesn't say Compaq in the middle.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 16:17:12 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: URL grumble, Message-ID: <4357c308$1@news.langstoeger.at>  \ In article <4356E40A.EA434776@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:" >VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:+ >> Well I still use www.openvms.digital.com  >>  + >> Just 'cos it's the only one to remember.  >  >I use ww.hp.com/go/vms   L Seldom, but me too. Cause it's short. (But it makes an even uglier URL then)J BUT, you can't jump directly to subpages of it like /openvms/products/tdc/J Therefor www.openvms.digital.com will be used by me as long as it works...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 07:36:29 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>F Subject: [Q] Where are text strings in SHOW.EXE? (Technical Question!)C Message-ID: <1129818989.302315.301510@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    On a VMS 6.1 VAX system:  4 $ SEAR SYS$SYSTEM:SHOW.EXE "BAD PAGES"/FORM=3DNONULL1 e Packet (LRP)<LF><SO><SOH><SYN>=CE<SOH>LRPSIZE + " <RS><SO><SOH>(=CE<SOH>(Swap file n@ ame not available),<SO><SOH>N=CE<SOH>              System Memory Resources on !%DN @ <SO><SOH><x82>=CE<SOH>!/Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total FreeF In Use    ModifiedF<SO><SOH>=D8=CE<SOH>  Main Memory !11<(!UL.!ASMb)!>     !7UL=    !7UL     !7UL     !7UL<DCS><SO><SOH>&=CF<SOH>!/  Bad Pages .    Total     Dynamic  I/O Errors      Static!/*                     !7UL     !7UL     !7UL% !7ULK<SO><SOH>=BE=CF<SOH>!/Of the phy 6 sical pages in use, !UL pages are permanently allocate   But on a VMS 6.2 VAX system:  4 $ SEAR SYS$SYSTEM:SHOW.EXE "BAD PAGES"/FORM=3DNONULL' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched   @ So what changed from 6.1 to 6.2? Where does SHOW.EXE in v6.2 get& strings like "Bad Pages" and the like?   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2005 09:59:08 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: [Q] Where are text strings in SHOW.EXE? (Technical Question!)3 Message-ID: <66EHEj0Jj0SZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1129818989.302315.301510@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  B > So what changed from 6.1 to 6.2? Where does SHOW.EXE in v6.2 get( > strings like "Bad Pages" and the like?  = Hopefully from a message file, allowing internationalization.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.586 ************************