1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 23 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 591       Contents:0 Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today   Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?  Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?  Re: SEARCH HTML file Re: SEARCH HTML file Re: set time on Itanium OpenVMS / Re: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space! H Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)L Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)L Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)P Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (paP Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (paP Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (paA Re: UCX performance on VMS 6.2 - Unexpected rise in CPU usage.... , Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday), RE: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) Re: URL grumble  Re: VMS support strategy?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:54:49 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>9 Subject: Re: Delete/Entry=### fails to stop job execution + Message-ID: <435AA719.537FF802@comcast.net>    jlmadden wrote:  > F > We're running OpenVMS 7.3 and have come across the following.  A jobG > was found to be executing a program that was in a loop.  The operator I > performed a Delete/Entry=### on the job.  The job stopped executing the F > program, printed "job aborted" in the log, then proceeded to execute< > all the remaining commands in the DCL command file.  AfterE > experimenting with the use of Delete and Stop/ID, we found that the I > problem seems to occur only when the line in the com file following the F > command that is executing does NOT start with a $ symbol.  We have a' > 4GL report writer that requires this:  > eg:  $ SET DEFAULT JOBSPACE 	 >      $! 
 >      $ Quiz  >        exe PDRM1401_01 >        exe PDRM1401_02	 >      $! . >      $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1 >      . >      . >      .E > When the Delete/Entry=456 command was entered while the PDRM1401_01 G > module was executing, the following messages were placed into the log / > file and the job continued executing with the  > print statement: >  > $! > $ Quiz >   exe PDRM1401_01 / > %JBC-F-JOBABORT, job aborted during execution D > %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored > $!) > $ PRINT PDR1401PRT.LIS /QUEUE=SYSQUEUE1  > .  > .  > .  > G > Has anyone else seen this in either 7.3 or later versions of OpenVMS?   C Yes. I've seen that ever since machines started getting "fast". The G synchronization between forcing the image exit and deleting the process A doesn't happen as fast as things happen in the batch job once the C executing image is rundown. If SET NOON is in effect, you might see  exactly what you saw.   G STOP/ID=nnnnnnnn, on the other hand, will be more immediate, if perhaps  a bit more "messy".    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:56:34 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <435A7D52.B6EE59B1@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <4351AE21.5BC5F080@comcast.net>, > >         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > 
 > > [snip]J > >  4. Do you have any detriments in your current day life as a result ofK > > your parents or other fore-bearers having had the benefit of collective  > > bargaining?  >  > Yes.   Do explain.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:07:33 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <435A7FE5.560C92E8@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 3 > In article <vhj4f.643$S24.43731@news.xtra.co.nz>, 0 >         "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com> writes:9 > > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ) > > news:3rdqi7FiiihsU1@individual.net... 0 > >> In article <4351AE21.5BC5F080@comcast.net>,9 > >> David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > >> >L > >> > Questions for all you people who are so vehemently anti-union... PostO > >> > answers only if you choose to do so. I pose these questions primarily to  > >> > provoke thought.  > >> >J > >> >  1. Have your parents or other fore-bearers ever had the benefit of > >> > collective bargaining?  > >>G > >> Can't answer that one.  My father was forced into union membership K > >> (as was I) a number of times.  It is highly debatable if that resulted I > >> in any benefit.  In at least two cases it resulted in the his losing M > >> his job entirely as the union stayed on strike longer than he could hold # > >> out and still feed his family.  > > G > > No idea what union Bill is talking about but if it was large enough F > > and strong enough to stage that, it also means that it was hurtingD > > not just it's own members but also innocent bystanders and other > > univolved businesses.  > I > What's your point?  Unions do this all the time.  Interestingly enough, H > the two cases involving my father were two different companies but theH > same union and about a decade apart.  Of course, other than the incomeI > lost during the strike there is also the loss of seniority and position H > within the company that is lost as well. He finally ended up in a non-G > union shop where he then stayed until retirement and actually retired F > with a a really nice nestegg.  Although he has passed-on it is still  > taking good care of my mother.  H My Dad's UAW pension is all that allows my mother to remain in the houseB where I grew up. Without it, my siblings and I would be paying herD utilities, groceries and property taxes (the only real semi-variable expenses she has).  E Oh, yeah - we'd also be paying her medical expenses, such as they are 0 since she's lost faith in the medical community.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2005 01:11:36 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <3s06a8Flb5v6U1@individual.net>   + In article <435A7D52.B6EE59B1@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  . >> In article <4351AE21.5BC5F080@comcast.net>,? >>         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  >> > >> > [snip] K >> >  4. Do you have any detriments in your current day life as a result of L >> > your parents or other fore-bearers having had the benefit of collective >> > bargaining? >>   >> Yes.  > 
 > Do explain.    B Quite simple.  If unions hadn't forced my father to start all overA from the beginning so many time when I was young, I wouldn't have B grown when we were so poor and I would have had the opportunity toB go to college which would have resulted in a much better lifestyle for me and my family.   C And before you try saying the unions didn't do that, of course they @ did, by making unrealistic demands and then forcing my father toA not work until he had no choice but look elsewhere for employment A resulting a return to a lower initial entry salary and a complete C loss of seniority and all the benefits (like more vacation to spend % with his family) that come with it.     ? Being brainwashed with the union mantra, I hardly expect you to > accept anything I have to say against them, but I can tell you> from personal experience that they made my life harder growingB up and the one time I was forced into union membership (by closed-@ shop runles, which should be illegal as a violation of my rights> of association) they happily took my money and then screwed me< when I could have actually used the supposed "benefits" they claim to offer.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2005 01:13:15 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <3s06dbFlb5v6U2@individual.net>   3 In article <gaB6f.1991$S24.139875@news.xtra.co.nz>, ' 	"Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com> writes: A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:435A8149.7401712D@comcast.net...  >> Lurker wrote: > @ >> > The problem was with the way the questions were formulated.D >> > This is known as a loaded question. No matter what you answer -E >> > yes, no or abstain - by the mere fact that you have answered you D >> > have accepted the premise. In this case, that there are allegedC >> > benefits. That's just a no-no in any sort of respectable poll.  >> >> Utter nonsense. > ; > You sure? Let me give you a classical example of a loaded 9 > question (No personal offense please, just to show what  > a loaded question is): > 6 > Has you mother stopped turning tricks on the corner? > 6 > What are you going to answer to that (short of going7 > for your razor or a gun that is)? This is a classical , > example of the questions you CANNOT ask in > a poll. Clear enough?    5 1. Have you stopped beating your wife?  ()Yes   () No    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:46:24 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <435AEB70.F8BBA6FF@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <435A7D52.B6EE59B1@comcast.net>, > >         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >>0 > >> In article <4351AE21.5BC5F080@comcast.net>,A > >>         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > >> >
 > >> > [snip] M > >> >  4. Do you have any detriments in your current day life as a result of N > >> > your parents or other fore-bearers having had the benefit of collective > >> > bargaining? > >>	 > >> Yes.  > >  > > Do explain.  > D > Quite simple.  If unions hadn't forced my father to start all overC > from the beginning so many time when I was young, I wouldn't have D > grown when we were so poor and I would have had the opportunity toD > go to college which would have resulted in a much better lifestyle > for me and my family.   E My Dad supported a wife and three children with somewhat more than an H 8th grade education. My sister had rheumatic fever during her young daysF when Dad was in the Army. My brother and I were late-life children. I,G the youngest, was a premie, and had several near-fatal conditions arise D over the course of my young life, the effects of a couple of which I still live with today.  E I have only the "higher" education that I myself could afford (though E I'd be more likely to blame the Illinois State Scholarship Commission D for that than anything else, since they seem to (still, even to thisG day!) think that retired blue collar folks on a fixed income can afford , to send their late-life children to college.  < I think I do fairly well for someone without a sheepskin and double-digit IQ.  E > And before you try saying the unions didn't do that, of course they B > did, by making unrealistic demands and then forcing my father toC > not work until he had no choice but look elsewhere for employment C > resulting a return to a lower initial entry salary and a complete E > loss of seniority and all the benefits (like more vacation to spend % > with his family) that come with it.  > * > Being brainwashed with the union mantra,   Hardly.    > I hardly expect you to- > accept anything I have to say against them,   * I can accept it, without agreeing with it.   > but I can tell you@ > from personal experience that they made my life harder growing > up  G ...and I can tell you from personal experience that if not for the UAW, = I probably would not be here (waiting for the cheering and/or F disappointed moaning to subside) thanx to even the meagre medical care6 my parents could afford thanx to Dad's union benefits.  A > and the one time I was forced into union membership (by closed- B > shop runles, which should be illegal as a violation of my rights@ > of association) they happily took my money and then screwed me> > when I could have actually used the supposed "benefits" they > claim to offer.   - Well, "Z" seems to live in a perfect world...   D I do understand everything you say, unlike younger folks who have noH concept of what they are trying to talk about. Unions have their ups and$ downs, just like non-union workers.   ( Our experiences differ, and that's o.k.   C I just want you to understand that I am *NOT* "brainwashed with the D union mantra". I am alive - and my 93-year-old Mom still has her ownF home - today for one reason and one reason only: because the UAW stoodC up to IH and said, "like hell you'll treat your workers that way!".   7 As always, your mileage may - and probably will - vary.   E ...and, just for the record, here's *MY* answers to my own questions:   C  1. Have your parents or other fore-bearers ever had the benefit of  collective bargaining?     Yes.  B  2. Did they, perhaps, conduct their own negotiations on their own behalf? ...on anyone else's?  H No - the UAW did that for my Dad. My Mom was in the bakery union brieflyF many years before I was born, but was a non-union worker for my entire lifetime until she retired.   D  3. Do you have any benefits in your current day life as a result ofG your parents or other fore-bearers having had the benefit of collective  bargaining?   E Yes. My Dad's medical benefits made it possible for me to have needed F surgery due to birth defects and the effects of premature birth. ThoseH same benefits saved us from a crushing medical expense burden due to hisH circa. two years of cancer treatments until he died in December of 1993.  F  4. Do you have any detriments in your current day life as a result ofG your parents or other fore-bearers having had the benefit of collective  bargaining?   C Owing to UAW's ferocity in defending its workers, my Mom's survivor @ benefits are perhaps not what they could have been, had my Dad'sA employer not tried to "break the union" and had they not forced a E nation-wide UAW walkout that ultimately bankrupted the company. Other 4 than that, there is no direct negative impact to me.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:47:15 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <435AEBA3.43A9C993@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 5 > In article <gaB6f.1991$S24.139875@news.xtra.co.nz>, 0 >         "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com> writes:C > > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ) > > news:435A8149.7401712D@comcast.net...  > >> Lurker wrote: > > B > >> > The problem was with the way the questions were formulated.F > >> > This is known as a loaded question. No matter what you answer -G > >> > yes, no or abstain - by the mere fact that you have answered you F > >> > have accepted the premise. In this case, that there are allegedE > >> > benefits. That's just a no-no in any sort of respectable poll.  > >> > >> Utter nonsense. > > = > > You sure? Let me give you a classical example of a loaded ; > > question (No personal offense please, just to show what  > > a loaded question is): > > 8 > > Has you mother stopped turning tricks on the corner? > > 8 > > What are you going to answer to that (short of going9 > > for your razor or a gun that is)? This is a classical . > > example of the questions you CANNOT ask in > > a poll. Clear enough?  > 7 > 1. Have you stopped beating your wife?  ()Yes   () No    Thank you, Groucho.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:52:53 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem + Message-ID: <3rvjkmFlm6orU1@individual.net>    AlexB wrote:: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:03:18 +0800, Richard Maher wrote: >  > 
 >>Hi Alex, >> >>I >>Not being funny but have you done some debugging to make sure that your : >>f-float "duration" is still set to 10 second time round? >>G >>Rdb did become more aggressive with its use of $hiber/$wake in recent K >>versions with (ALS?, Row-Cache?) something like that (If Norm Lastovica's N >>around he might tell you) but if you set "nowake" to 1 that should sort that >>potential problem out. >>K >>Can you please post the working-storage declarations for duration, nowake  >>and float-type?  >> >>Regards Richard Maher  >  >  > J > Well, I know the lib$wait works if I do not use it in a perform ..until.K > It will wait for x seconds then viola..its done.  But I put it in a piece L > of code that runs in batch.  What it does is check to see if there is workG > to do (to process data etc) if not wait for one second then re-check. J > The first time the lib$wait is called it does wait for x seconds but the! > next time it blows right by it.  >  > My declarations: > " > 01 duration      comp-1 value 1." > 01 libnowake     comp-1 value 1.) > 01 float-type    pic 9(5) comp value 0.  >  >   E Maybe you transcribed the above incorrectly, but libnowake should be   declared as a longword:   & 01 libnowake     pic 9(5)comp value 1.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:21:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem , Message-ID: <435AD78A.B0D8B93C@teksavvy.com>  @ Some have mentioned that LIB$WAIT uses $HIBER in the background.G However, in my possibly faulty memory, LIB$WAIT puts the process in LEF  state, not in HIB state.  H Seems to me that LIB$WAIT is more likely a combination of SYS$SETIMR andH SYS$WAITEF. Someone with the CD listings might be able to check. I would0 hope that the routine would also do a SYS$CLREF.    F What does "checking to see if there is any work to be done" involve ? ' Do you do any IO in the perform block ?     D If nobody can provide a real fix for LIB/WAIT issue, you may wish to
 change it to:   ? SYS$GETEF to get your own even flag (once at start of program). D SYS$BINTIM to convert a textual deltal time such as "0 00:00:10:00"  (for 10 seconds) into binary.      and in your loop:   " SYS$CLREF to clear your event flag3 SYS$SETIMR using the event flag and the binary time 6 SYS$WAITEF to wait until your event flag has been set.  D By having your own event flag, you won't have any conflicts with any2 other routines that execute in your perform block.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:57:16 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 1 Message-ID: <djf2vk$ksl$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Alex,  F I honestly think a little more debugging information is needed. Try itK with/without Rdb and as someone else suggested, make sure you tell lib$wait 8 to use $setimr instead of $hiber/$wake. Fwiw try this: -   identification division. program-id.    test_wait.  data division. working-storage section.L 01  ss$_normal          pic 9(9)        comp    value   external ss$_normal.- 01  sys_status          pic 9(9)        comp. = 01  wait_duration                       comp-1  value   10.0. : 01  lib$k_nowake        pic 9(9)        comp    value   1.- 01  loop_cnt            pic 9(9)        comp. " 01  time_buff           pic x(23). procedure division.  00.      perform show_time.E     perform the_work varying loop_cnt from 1 by 1 until loop_cnt > 3. 
     stop run.  * 	 the_work. H     call "lib$wait" using wait_duration, lib$k_nowake giving sys_status.A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  sys_status.      perform show_time. * 
 show_time.     call "sys$asctim" !         using   by value        0 '                 by descriptor time_buff          giving  sys_status. A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  sys_status. "     display "Time is ", time_buff. *  end program test_wait.   Cheers Richard.   7 "AlexB" <BartonekDragRacing@yahoo.com> wrote in message 0 news:pan.2005.10.22.13.55.37.897821@yahoo.com...> > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:33:53 -0400, Stanley F. Quayle wrote: >  > I > > If you absolutely MUST wait for 10 seconds, FOR SURE, you should wait H > > on an event flag, set by a counter that you create.  And allocate an, > > event flag -- don't use event flag 0.... > >  > > --Stan Quayle  > > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > K > it was just a example.. I only need to wait for 1 second.  I will ask the  > wiz also..Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:18:06 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 1 Message-ID: <djf6h9$pgp$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   K OK Here's a better example. Try toggling the value of lib$k_nowait from 0/1 I between runs and see the difference in behaviour. (I would have posted it G earlier this morning but I've just got back from taking the kids to the K beach. Yes, it's finally warm! (So you know where you can stick your Tuscan  sunsets :-)   H I think the moral of the story is that unless you know for sure that theH $wake was for you then you'd better not use it up. As I said before thisK could be your problem with Rdb but my money is still on pilot error. Sorry.    identification division. program-id.    test_wait.  data division. working-storage section.L 01  ss$_normal          pic 9(9)        comp    value   external ss$_normal.- 01  sys_status          pic 9(9)        comp. = 01  wait_duration                       comp-1  value   10.0. : 01  lib$k_nowake        pic 9(9)        comp    value   1.: *01  lib$k_nowake       pic 9(9)        comp    value   0.- 01  loop_cnt            pic 9(9)        comp. " 01  time_buff           pic x(23). procedure division.  00.      perform show_time.  :     call "sys$wake" using by value 0, 0 giving sys_status.A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  sys_status.   E     perform the_work varying loop_cnt from 1 by 1 until loop_cnt > 3.   '     call "sys$hiber" giving sys_status. A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  sys_status.   3     display "Whatsagohon? Why aren't we snoozing?".   
     stop run.  * 	 the_work. H     call "lib$wait" using wait_duration, lib$k_nowake giving sys_status.A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  sys_status.      perform show_time. * 
 show_time.     call "sys$asctim" !         using   by value        0 '                 by descriptor time_buff          giving  sys_status. A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  sys_status. "     display "Time is ", time_buff. *  end program test_wait.   Cheers Richard Maher  7 "AlexB" <BartonekDragRacing@yahoo.com> wrote in message 0 news:pan.2005.10.22.04.19.22.226327@yahoo.com...; > May or may not be the proper forum but its worth a shot..  > J > Currently in my COBOL program I am using the lib$wait routine. Its being? > called in block of code that is being run via a perform loop.  > K > For testing purposes I set the initial wait time to 10 seconds. The first L > time the perform loop runs through and hits the LIB$WAIT call it waits forH > 10 seconds. If there is no work to do it calls lib$wait but completelyL > skips the 10 second count from then on as if it had met the 10 second wait > criteria.  >  > Here is my call:D > CALL "LIB$WAIT" USING BY REFERENCE duration, libnowake, float-type >  > duration is set to 10 J > libnowake is set to 0 or 1, but I've also substituted 'OMITTED' in place7 > of libnowake..none of these values fixed the problem.  > G > Current versions of software pertinent to this problem: OVMS = 7.3-2,  > roll-up patch 4  > COBOL 2.8 
 > RDB 7.1-411  >  > I thank you'all in advance!  >  > -Alex    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:39:57 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> 2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?& Message-ID: <_JC6f.41$xk2.12@fe06.lga>   JF Mezei wrote: > >>You know, it's a bit curious how posters from the US presume> >>that all the rest of the world knows what the acronims mean.  H > RIAA is the Recording Industry Association of America. It includes theH > big bad record labels and some of the artists. Its role is to find andI > sue individuals who listen to their music on the internet, find ways to   G Replace "listen to their music" with make "download music they haven't  H paid for" and "make available for download music they haven't paid for."  2 If you want the music, pay for it; don't steal it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:55:26 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> & Subject: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?; Message-ID: <LOw6f.13134$ns3.1375399@news20.bellglobal.com>   D "Chris" <paynoattentionto@themanbehindthe.curtain> wrote in message 4 news:n7C5f.11319$ns3.901029@news20.bellglobal.com...F > If anyone has a contact at HP that they KNOW to be "in the know" and@ > unflinchingly honest, ask them when the last VAX was actually  > manufactured. @ > The real answer definitely surprised me, given the "official"  > announcements. > G Depends on what you mean by the word "manufacture". I thought the last  G "order" date was Sept-2000 and the last "ship" date was expected to be  M Dec-2000 but I'm sure they would have put together a number of systems after  I 2000 in order to clear out the store rooms. I doubt that they would have  5 manufactured any VAX specific chips after that point.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html      ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:17:00 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: SEARCH HTML file + Message-ID: <435AAC4C.58EC9418@comcast.net>    Tom Linden wrote:  > J > Many HTML files have no carriage returns so they appear to VMS as a file > withJ > a record length greater than 32768, which causes SEARCH to give up, e.g. > I > %SEARCH-I-TRUNCATE, record(s) in PI121X.HTML;1 truncated to 32768 bytes  > ' > Is there a way to search such a file?    Should work as is.  : What are the current record format attributes of the file?  B Dump the first block or so and compare the hex portion to the textH interpretation. If you see that only line-feeds (%X0A) are being used asH record terminators, the file's record format in the header is incorrect.A You can check that using DIRECTORY/FULL. This will correct it, if 
 necessary:  " $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STMLF filespec  H Carriage-returns are meaningless as record terminators unless the file'sE record format is set to STMCR. If  the file's record format is set to E STM and the <CR> is not followed immediately by a <LF>, I'm not quite B sure how that will be interpreted by RMS as I've never tested that myself.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:44:58 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> Subject: Re: SEARCH HTML file + Message-ID: <3s017rFl65rhU1@individual.net>    Tom Linden wrote: F > Many HTML files have no carriage returns so they appear to VMS as a  > file  withJ > a record length greater than 32768, which causes SEARCH to give up, e.g. >  > I > %SEARCH-I-TRUNCATE, record(s) in PI121X.HTML;1 truncated to 32768 bytes  > ' > Is there a way to search such a file?   4 Does a DIR/FULL show the record format as Stream_LF?  B $ SET FILE/ATTR=RFM:STMLF will set the record format to Stream_LF.  B ISTR I've got around this one in the past by doing something like:  H $ pipe convert/fdl=nl: file.html file.tmp | sea file.tmp "search string"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:41:53 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: set time on Itanium OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <435AA411.224616F3@comcast.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > ` > In article <1129590432.652649.226130@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Don.Zong@gmail.com writes:F > :Did a few more tests, look like I was able to change time for smallD > :delta time say a few minutes, but if I chang from current time toJ > :30-Oct-2005:01:56:00 ( I was trying to test time change - fall back) orF > :some time way ahead, it just won't get changed. My box is rx2600 as& > :well. I am sure message is enabled. > A >   The test I ran was on an rx2600, and one not running any time @ >   services such as those within DECnet-Plus, nor the NTP tool. >  >         -- > C >   Please see the description of managing the daylight saving time ? >   (DST) switch-over in the OpenVMS FAQ -- there are tools and ? >   mechanisms provided for this, either via a provided command ? >   procedure such as SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM, or via D >   the automatic DST switch-over mechanism available within OpenVMS; >   V7.3 and later (eg: via the AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV parameter).  > D >   Going after the SET TIME command directly probably won't do what >   you really want. >  >         -- > D >   If you really want to change the time directly, you will want toC >   reboot to change the time forward or backwards by large values, F >   using the SETTIME system parameter or similar mechanism during theD >   reboot -- various software has been seen to become confused whenF >   the running time changes (and either forward or backward) by largeH >   values.  Some loops.  Some fails.  Some reports errors.  Some throws >   a snit.  >  >         -- > E >   If you want to test, set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV or such, and then reboot D >   with SETTIME set to prompt for the time, and (obviously) set the: >   system time to just before your local DST change-over. >  >         -- > E >   There is a mistake in the FAQ, as it refers to one of the two DST C >   switch-overs as occuring in October next year in the US, and it  >   should indicate November.   G Note also that SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM still doesn't quite do 	 it right.   H On the "fall back", you must change the SYS$TIMEZONE_OFFSET logical name *FIRST*.  7 *THEN* do the actual set-back and reset the other LNMs.   E The reason should be obvious: if, at 0200 you set the time back, then C attempt to reset the timezone offset, the facility will examine the E system clock, compare that to the timezone rule and conclude that the   threshold time has not yet past.  E Further, if you reset the clock and then reboot before the clock once E again crosses the threshold time as defined by the timezone rule, the / system will revert to daylight time at startup.   H On the "spring forward", then, you can advance the clock before changing the timezone offset.  H I haven't yet attempted to reverse-engineer UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to see ifG it makes the same mistake. Based on what I saw at our site last fall, I  believe it possibly might.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:57:03 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: Sun says HP irrelevant in enterprise space!+ Message-ID: <435AA79F.A418E32F@comcast.net>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27069   H The Inquirer carries about as much credibility with people who matter as4 Gartner does with people (like us) who don't matter.  0 Rather like The Enquirer Vs. The New York Times.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2005 12:51:47 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com Q Subject: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) C Message-ID: <1130010707.595478.244800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan( Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:14 PM To: Skonetski, Susan< Subject: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)     Dear Folks,   A Well I am back from the European portion of the OpenVMS Technical G Update Days.  It was really wonderful to be with so many friends that I C have not seen in awhile and in some cases never even met before.  I @ have broken this in two parts for your sake and mine.  This is aF general trip report on the European OpenVMS Technical Update Days this) is Part one (Germany, Italy, Switzerland)   E Some things that may interest you. There is now an Italian and French D openvms.org and a German one is coming.  This is all being done on aD volunteer basis.  Every location the agenda was changed and the teamF was of course flexible as they always are.  We had one on one meetings  and one on many customer visits.  E Team was Guy Peleg, Andy Goldstein, Richard Bishop, Doug Gordon, Norm E Lastovica (Oracle Rdb), Brad McCusker, Sunil Kumaran, Philippe Vigier A (Oracle Rdb), Yanick Pouffary.  And for the first time we had VMS C management representation Paul LaCombe, Jim Lancianni, Jim Janetos,  MaryJane Vazquez.   F We started in Germany (Sept 26-27 Mon-Tues)We stay at the SteinebergerE hotel, it is a lovely location with a park across the street and this A year for some reason there is a Mazda in the lobby.  When Andy G. C arrived the first thing he did was get under the car and say "now I E feel at home".  This is the third or fourth year in this location and C you know how there is a sterotype that Germans are reserved and not G friendly.  Its just not true, they are warm, kind with a great sense of F humor.  The room was packed and on the second day one of the customersA said that he was sorry the his friend could not be there but they E needed to sign a PO for over 4M (VMS of course).  I was ok with that. D The room that we use is right above a micro brew place and our hosts? were Guenter Krieble (VMS Ambassadover) and Thomas Siebold (VMS C Ambassador).  Every time we visit we meet new folks and they are so  excited about VMS, its a buzz.  G Tuesday (27th) night after reviewing the feedback forms we flew to Rome C Italy. Wed  (28) was supposed to be the travel day but I have never G been to Italy before and wanted to see Rome.  If you have never been to B Italy it is a not to be missed experience.  The taxi ride from theE airport to the hotel with a driver and Guy Peleg was an experience in E itself, the entire goal was to keep two tires on the road at one time ? while traveling at 100 miles an hour, any more than that is not A permitted.  Arrive Holiday Inn somewhere 50 or so Euro's from the  Airport.  D Wednesday (28th) The hotel has a free shuttle to down town Rome.  OnF the way we notice a lot of soldiers with automatic weapons (this comesF into play later). The bus drops us (Doug, Norm, Guy and myself) off inH front of a caf=E9.  They need coffee and I need a diet coke (bad, its anE addiction).  So we walk around the block, its beautiful little alleys D with sculptures.  We find a place, I have no idea what to order so IE get a coffee (I hate coffee) its in a little cup and looks like 10w40 C motor oil then one of them mention that there is a cooler with coke B lite and I am gone.  We walk out the door and see groups of people? walking up this huge staircase so we follow them.  At the top a E panorama unfolds, acres of ancient ruins, it's the Pantheon, there is D the Arch of Constine, I even saw where Julius Caesar was buried.  WeF walked around the outside of the Coliseum.  Then we are off to see theD Trevi Fountain with lunch on the way.  We do not want to eat at someG tourist trap the problem with that is that none of us speak any Italian E except Guido Pelago knows a few words (that would be Guy).  So we end D up in a small very crowded resturant and I still do not know what weC had but it was good, and there were two very nice men and the table C next to us that helped me order.  The Trevi Fountain is huge and is E built on the site of the earliest fountian in Rome, the water travels D 20KM there were probably 2 thousand people here half of them sellingE something.  Next stop is the Spanish steps of all the sights this was C the least exciting, they are a set of stairs surrounded by designer D shops.  The truth is I do not know the story behind them so there isG probably something very cool about them.  Its time to head back for the 6 bus and dinner at the hotel and get ready for the TUD.  G Thursday (29th) Rome TUD HP office in Rome, the team hosting us here is C so wonderful Emanualla (half of the marketing team coordinating the D event) is here she is very competent very nice and beautiful too. WeC have the Ambassadors as well and they have arranged to show a mixed A architecture cluster which the customer love.  Now you remember I F mentioned about the soldiers with the automatic weapons, well it seemsC that there is some sort of terrorist activity in Rome and they have F shut down the subway so most of the audience can not get to the event.G This is sad for us but some folks make it and we do the event for them. E  When the day is done, we leave for the airport and head to Milan for  the Friday TUD.   G Friday (30th) Milan Italy HP Office.  Now all the Ambassadors Emanualla F and Leila the Marketing team and a large audience are here.  And MauroE who has volunteered to do the Italian vms.org is there as well as our B friends from the Polytechnic who were also speaking I have a greatG picture of this group at the end of the day. This evening I went out to E dinner with Doug, Andy and Margie Goldstein to a wonderful restaurant B probably one of the best on the entire trip.  No one spoke EnglishF which was a good start, the hostess maybe owner was wonderful and kindE and I had what ever she recommended..  This was the first time we had ; done the Tad's in Italy and I hope it will not be the last.    Weekend: Oct1-2 A When we knew we were going to be in Milan on Friday Guy and I had A talked about driving to Zurich our next stop.  This is one of the ! highlights of the entire 3 weeks.    Saturday Oct 1  F Guy and Norm pick up the rental car from the airport, we were not sureG of the size and if it would fit four people so the plan b was to take a B train.  Fortunately the car was a station wagon so we could all goG together.  We start our road trip and it is a beautiful warm sunny day. E  Our first stop is the very lovely village called Sirmone which is on A Lake Garda.  It is a walled village and the lake is beautiful and E obviously very wealthy, we stay about an hour and all go our separate G ways and I take about 50 photographs. The air has changed from city air C to mountain air since the lake is surrounded by mountains. I should E probably add here that the guys are great to travel with, and did not B mind when I had to stop to take pictures which I have hundreds of.B After Simrione we travel for another hour or so before we stop forD lunch at yet another perfect place on the lake with the mountains onF the other side.  Our goal for the day is to make the town of Araba for> a hotel that night which is in the Dolamites.  As we drive theD mountains get steeper and above the tree line it so amazing it takesE your breath away, we stop at this lake where there are so many greens D and blues you can not count them and the air is like champagne.  TheF sky is a dark clear blue and we get to share it with friends.  This isA pretty fortunate and the day gets even better.  Probably the best G picture I took was on a portion of road where that are 36 hairpin turns E the sun is going down and I ask Guy to stop and the sun is shining on G one snow covered mountain.  It is getting dark as we roll into the town F of Araba.  We find out that the hotel (SportHotel in Araba) is closingE the next day for the season and that they will give us a room but has G to charge us for breakfast and for 55 Euros we get the best room of the E entire trip.  Barbara speaks English and is a sweetheart.  Her mother C is turning 60 the next day and I get to meet this very nice man who F owns a restaurant just down the road.  Guy and his wife have stayed inG this hotel before, my room was a girl room and had a whirlpool tub with C a window that could look out the bedroom out the balcony, king-size G bed, couch, table pretty much everything.  Very much a ski lodge place. G  Anyway we go out to dinner and everyone was so nice one of the waiters G Kiki has been working there for 32 years and Marie Theresa was actually @ born on Staten Island NY but moved back to Italy when she was 2.F Anyway the owner came over with some Grappa (liquor made from the skinG of grapes, normally is horrible but this was good) then I got a tour of D the kitchen and took pictures, I also got a job offer to work at the. restaurant.  But I told them I love what I do.   Sunday Oct 2  F After a wonderful nights sleep it's a rainy day and we have to make itG to Zurich today because we have customer visits on Monday.  What we did ? not know is that there was construction on the roads.  I have a D beautiful picture of a castle ruin on the side of the road.  We alsoC had to go through part of Austria before we got to Switzerland.  We E also got behind some sort of parade.  It is amazing how little border B control there is now between countries.  We dropped the car at theE Zurich Airport with about 500 miles on it, and then took a cab to the D hotel, we had been on the road for about 10 hours and it was good to not be moving.   Monday Oct 3  F 8am Raymond Frepple OpenVMS Ambassador meeting Norm, Guy and myself inD the hotel lobby we have two customer visits today, we take a bus andE two trains at one of the train stations we get a wireless PCMCIA card G for my laptop I am having some problems (I am the problem) Guy and Norm C do an excellent job with the customer its very different to be at a F site where you are the stranger, what I also noticed was the security,G its nice to have customers that you know in the room.  At about noon we E leave that customer site and catch the train for an hour trip to Bern G for another customer visit and we have lunch on the train with Raymond. F  The customer visit goes excellent and is very interactive. We need toC get back to the hotel where I have to meet the TUD host for a group E dinner at 8 we actually make it back to the hotel as they are walking B out. Rene Hanselmann our host for the event took us to this casual< place where we had cheese fondue, wine and lots of laughter.  
 Tuesday Oct 4   B The technical update in Switzerland is excellent, the room is fullC there are walk-ins and there is even a new person (hobbyiest)who is D very young.  One thing that always amazes me is how many interestingG places where VMS is being used, just when I think that I have heard all D the possible places where we are at, then I find another interestingF customer, that happened in Switzerland.  The team did an excellent jobC coordinating the event and the TUD team did a great job delivering. ! Three countries done three to go.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:15:22 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> U Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) 1 Message-ID: <djekpn$1sm$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Sue,   F Enjoyed the read very much. (You should be a travel-writer part time!)   Look forward to part2.   Regards Richard Maher.  . <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message= news:1130010707.595478.244800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...  -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan( Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:14 PM To: Skonetski, Susan< Subject: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)     Dear Folks,   A Well I am back from the European portion of the OpenVMS Technical G Update Days.  It was really wonderful to be with so many friends that I C have not seen in awhile and in some cases never even met before.  I @ have broken this in two parts for your sake and mine.  This is aF general trip report on the European OpenVMS Technical Update Days this) is Part one (Germany, Italy, Switzerland)   E Some things that may interest you. There is now an Italian and French D openvms.org and a German one is coming.  This is all being done on aD volunteer basis.  Every location the agenda was changed and the teamF was of course flexible as they always are.  We had one on one meetings  and one on many customer visits.  E Team was Guy Peleg, Andy Goldstein, Richard Bishop, Doug Gordon, Norm E Lastovica (Oracle Rdb), Brad McCusker, Sunil Kumaran, Philippe Vigier A (Oracle Rdb), Yanick Pouffary.  And for the first time we had VMS C management representation Paul LaCombe, Jim Lancianni, Jim Janetos,  MaryJane Vazquez.   F We started in Germany (Sept 26-27 Mon-Tues)We stay at the SteinebergerE hotel, it is a lovely location with a park across the street and this A year for some reason there is a Mazda in the lobby.  When Andy G. C arrived the first thing he did was get under the car and say "now I E feel at home".  This is the third or fourth year in this location and C you know how there is a sterotype that Germans are reserved and not G friendly.  Its just not true, they are warm, kind with a great sense of F humor.  The room was packed and on the second day one of the customersA said that he was sorry the his friend could not be there but they E needed to sign a PO for over 4M (VMS of course).  I was ok with that. D The room that we use is right above a micro brew place and our hosts? were Guenter Krieble (VMS Ambassadover) and Thomas Siebold (VMS C Ambassador).  Every time we visit we meet new folks and they are so  excited about VMS, its a buzz.  G Tuesday (27th) night after reviewing the feedback forms we flew to Rome C Italy. Wed  (28) was supposed to be the travel day but I have never G been to Italy before and wanted to see Rome.  If you have never been to B Italy it is a not to be missed experience.  The taxi ride from theE airport to the hotel with a driver and Guy Peleg was an experience in E itself, the entire goal was to keep two tires on the road at one time ? while traveling at 100 miles an hour, any more than that is not A permitted.  Arrive Holiday Inn somewhere 50 or so Euro's from the  Airport.  D Wednesday (28th) The hotel has a free shuttle to down town Rome.  OnF the way we notice a lot of soldiers with automatic weapons (this comesF into play later). The bus drops us (Doug, Norm, Guy and myself) off inF front of a caf.  They need coffee and I need a diet coke (bad, its anE addiction).  So we walk around the block, its beautiful little alleys D with sculptures.  We find a place, I have no idea what to order so IE get a coffee (I hate coffee) its in a little cup and looks like 10w40 C motor oil then one of them mention that there is a cooler with coke B lite and I am gone.  We walk out the door and see groups of people? walking up this huge staircase so we follow them.  At the top a E panorama unfolds, acres of ancient ruins, it's the Pantheon, there is D the Arch of Constine, I even saw where Julius Caesar was buried.  WeF walked around the outside of the Coliseum.  Then we are off to see theD Trevi Fountain with lunch on the way.  We do not want to eat at someG tourist trap the problem with that is that none of us speak any Italian E except Guido Pelago knows a few words (that would be Guy).  So we end D up in a small very crowded resturant and I still do not know what weC had but it was good, and there were two very nice men and the table C next to us that helped me order.  The Trevi Fountain is huge and is E built on the site of the earliest fountian in Rome, the water travels D 20KM there were probably 2 thousand people here half of them sellingE something.  Next stop is the Spanish steps of all the sights this was C the least exciting, they are a set of stairs surrounded by designer D shops.  The truth is I do not know the story behind them so there isG probably something very cool about them.  Its time to head back for the 6 bus and dinner at the hotel and get ready for the TUD.  G Thursday (29th) Rome TUD HP office in Rome, the team hosting us here is C so wonderful Emanualla (half of the marketing team coordinating the D event) is here she is very competent very nice and beautiful too. WeC have the Ambassadors as well and they have arranged to show a mixed A architecture cluster which the customer love.  Now you remember I F mentioned about the soldiers with the automatic weapons, well it seemsC that there is some sort of terrorist activity in Rome and they have F shut down the subway so most of the audience can not get to the event.G This is sad for us but some folks make it and we do the event for them. E  When the day is done, we leave for the airport and head to Milan for  the Friday TUD.   G Friday (30th) Milan Italy HP Office.  Now all the Ambassadors Emanualla F and Leila the Marketing team and a large audience are here.  And MauroE who has volunteered to do the Italian vms.org is there as well as our B friends from the Polytechnic who were also speaking I have a greatG picture of this group at the end of the day. This evening I went out to E dinner with Doug, Andy and Margie Goldstein to a wonderful restaurant B probably one of the best on the entire trip.  No one spoke EnglishF which was a good start, the hostess maybe owner was wonderful and kindE and I had what ever she recommended..  This was the first time we had ; done the Tad's in Italy and I hope it will not be the last.    Weekend: Oct1-2 A When we knew we were going to be in Milan on Friday Guy and I had A talked about driving to Zurich our next stop.  This is one of the ! highlights of the entire 3 weeks.    Saturday Oct 1  F Guy and Norm pick up the rental car from the airport, we were not sureG of the size and if it would fit four people so the plan b was to take a B train.  Fortunately the car was a station wagon so we could all goG together.  We start our road trip and it is a beautiful warm sunny day. E  Our first stop is the very lovely village called Sirmone which is on A Lake Garda.  It is a walled village and the lake is beautiful and E obviously very wealthy, we stay about an hour and all go our separate G ways and I take about 50 photographs. The air has changed from city air C to mountain air since the lake is surrounded by mountains. I should E probably add here that the guys are great to travel with, and did not B mind when I had to stop to take pictures which I have hundreds of.B After Simrione we travel for another hour or so before we stop forD lunch at yet another perfect place on the lake with the mountains onF the other side.  Our goal for the day is to make the town of Araba for> a hotel that night which is in the Dolamites.  As we drive theD mountains get steeper and above the tree line it so amazing it takesE your breath away, we stop at this lake where there are so many greens D and blues you can not count them and the air is like champagne.  TheF sky is a dark clear blue and we get to share it with friends.  This isA pretty fortunate and the day gets even better.  Probably the best G picture I took was on a portion of road where that are 36 hairpin turns E the sun is going down and I ask Guy to stop and the sun is shining on G one snow covered mountain.  It is getting dark as we roll into the town F of Araba.  We find out that the hotel (SportHotel in Araba) is closingE the next day for the season and that they will give us a room but has G to charge us for breakfast and for 55 Euros we get the best room of the E entire trip.  Barbara speaks English and is a sweetheart.  Her mother C is turning 60 the next day and I get to meet this very nice man who F owns a restaurant just down the road.  Guy and his wife have stayed inG this hotel before, my room was a girl room and had a whirlpool tub with C a window that could look out the bedroom out the balcony, king-size G bed, couch, table pretty much everything.  Very much a ski lodge place. G  Anyway we go out to dinner and everyone was so nice one of the waiters G Kiki has been working there for 32 years and Marie Theresa was actually @ born on Staten Island NY but moved back to Italy when she was 2.F Anyway the owner came over with some Grappa (liquor made from the skinG of grapes, normally is horrible but this was good) then I got a tour of D the kitchen and took pictures, I also got a job offer to work at the. restaurant.  But I told them I love what I do.   Sunday Oct 2  F After a wonderful nights sleep it's a rainy day and we have to make itG to Zurich today because we have customer visits on Monday.  What we did ? not know is that there was construction on the roads.  I have a D beautiful picture of a castle ruin on the side of the road.  We alsoC had to go through part of Austria before we got to Switzerland.  We E also got behind some sort of parade.  It is amazing how little border B control there is now between countries.  We dropped the car at theE Zurich Airport with about 500 miles on it, and then took a cab to the D hotel, we had been on the road for about 10 hours and it was good to not be moving.   Monday Oct 3  F 8am Raymond Frepple OpenVMS Ambassador meeting Norm, Guy and myself inD the hotel lobby we have two customer visits today, we take a bus andE two trains at one of the train stations we get a wireless PCMCIA card G for my laptop I am having some problems (I am the problem) Guy and Norm C do an excellent job with the customer its very different to be at a F site where you are the stranger, what I also noticed was the security,G its nice to have customers that you know in the room.  At about noon we E leave that customer site and catch the train for an hour trip to Bern G for another customer visit and we have lunch on the train with Raymond. F  The customer visit goes excellent and is very interactive. We need toC get back to the hotel where I have to meet the TUD host for a group E dinner at 8 we actually make it back to the hotel as they are walking B out. Rene Hanselmann our host for the event took us to this casual< place where we had cheese fondue, wine and lots of laughter.  
 Tuesday Oct 4   B The technical update in Switzerland is excellent, the room is fullC there are walk-ins and there is even a new person (hobbyiest)who is D very young.  One thing that always amazes me is how many interestingG places where VMS is being used, just when I think that I have heard all D the possible places where we are at, then I find another interestingF customer, that happened in Switzerland.  The team did an excellent jobC coordinating the event and the TUD team did a great job delivering. ! Three countries done three to go.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Oct 2005 21:11:10 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com U Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) B Message-ID: <1130040670.566355.63270@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  @ I think the Guido was pretty much between us until this message.  @ The customer visits are set up via the local Ambassadors who are" involved with the local customers.     hope this helps    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:46:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (pa + Message-ID: <435ADD51.C537471@teksavvy.com>   " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:> > Subject: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy,  F And you expect us to NOT be jealous of your HP paid tourist adventures ?????? :-) :-) :-)  ? It is really nice that you can travel with your co-workers in a  harmonious way.    > none of us speak any Italian< > except Guido Pelago knows a few words (that would be Guy).  * I take it everyone now calls him "Guido" ?    H > 8am Raymond Frepple OpenVMS Ambassador meeting Norm, Guy and myself in4 > the hotel lobby we have two customer visits today,  H This may be a very naive question, but how are "customer visits" setup ?F  I take it those visits were setup in advance ? Were you in touch withF the customer before, or was the customer put in touch with you through the local HP office ?       H Are you going to be in the events in montreal and edmonton coming soon ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:02:37 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (pa + Message-ID: <435AEF3D.959A79C7@comcast.net>   " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > [snip]   Great reading, Sue!    Eagerly awaiting part deux...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:53:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (pa , Message-ID: <435B171E.29D1D26F@teksavvy.com>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > B > I think the Guido was pretty much between us until this message.  F Now Susan, look at what you've done... you've given the very respectedD Mr Peleg a new nickname that will haunt him for the remainder of hisD life :-) ;-)   Perhaps Mr Peleg could chime in here and divulge what your nickname is :-) :-)    B > The customer visits are set up via the local Ambassadors who are$ > involved with the local customers.    H Are these generally just "sightseeing" trips, or do the customers have aH specific agenda they wish to discuss with VMS management ? Or do the VMSE ambassadors tell you that the customer is thinking of leaving VMS and I that your visit would ve very appreciate to help maintain the account ?     F (since you didn't mention the names of the customers you visited, your: answer couldn't be associated with any specific customer).     > hope this helps     C Sue, every message you post is appreciated, even if some of us will  argue with what you post.    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2005 05:16:58 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>J Subject: Re: UCX performance on VMS 6.2 - Unexpected rise in CPU usage....? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-QXSvEIjwRT5V@dave2_os2.home.ours>   E On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:01:40 UTC, "Lawrie" <stroker_ace@hotmail.com>   wrote:  I > I forgot to add that my TCP/IP implementation uses non blocking sockets 
 > as well. >   F Does this mean you're polling to do your synchronisation now, whereas B previously you might have been using AST's and/or event flags? We C certainly achieved an improvement by switching our (simple) socket  A implimentation from non-blocking sockets with 'poll' to blocking   socket access.   --   Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:12:44 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 5 Subject: Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) 1 Message-ID: <djekkq$1od$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   	 Hi Kerry,   G > First - I am certainly not the right resource talking in detail about " > software strategies and futures.  K That may be, but you're certainly not shy when it comes to telling everyone K that two-phase commit transactions (heterogeneous or otherwise) are a waste B of time and that absolutely no one out there in VMS is using them.  ) > There are certainly more guru's in that $ > area from HP on this list than me.  J Who would they be? Last time I wrote to CJ Coppersmith, John Apps and MickJ Keyes I got no reply. Have they passed the divining rod onto someone else?  J > Having stated that, my own view is that the tools are designed to assistA > Cust's with integrating their code into J2EE/.Net environments.   K OK what is your view on what Bridgeworks was for again? Who is in charge of I calculating the ROI on these software ventures/follies? Who is it that is E responsible for having the vision of the unwashed massess fleeing the J tyranny of JDBC, ODBC, COM, BMQ, MQSeries, DCE/RPC, sockets, ACMS, Tuxedo,J WebSphere, WebLogic and what price-tag does one asign to such a vision. SoA the VMS Forward Planning dept is like "Minority Report" with some G disfunctional weirdos wired up to the vision machine? Or is it rather a J collection of vision-deprived, and conviction-lacking individuals who likeD to cover their arses by simply doing everything that Gartner and theL trade-press says is "the next big thing"? Either way, may I suggest that theJ next time some arrogant, self-satisfied HP employee looks down his nose atI your functional enhancement idea and says "but where are the customers?", H you simply smack him in the mouth! (Unless he's bigger than yo, in which< case I'd advise verbal abuse while running the other way :-)  
 > They areF > not intended to be replacements or as a means to port existing code.  J [Well at least you're not claiming to produce "replacements" any more. TheG one I like best is DECforms! "DECForms will supplant FMS and TDMS". "We I don't think FMS will be ported to Alpha". "TDMS is dead and will never be  ported to Alpha!" I "Announcing TDMS I64. Oh shit! Doh!". But it doesn't matter. Think of all G the fun you had developing DECforms and all that lovely money pissed up G against a wall at the party, party, par-ty a party, party, par-ty. . .]   K Anyway Kerry, I'm not having a go at you personally (although you did annoy L me the other day). I suppose I'm just grumpy at seeing how bad things reallyH are for VMS in Oz while knowing exactly (I use over 20 years applicationJ development experience at a dozen or so companies in 4 countries and 1/2 aJ dozen industries *AND* tea-leaves :-) what it would take to have stopped a) lot of those boxes being switched off :-(   K I'm also jealous as hell of Sue's trip! I seek solace only in the cappiness " of the company she had to keep :-)   Cheers Richard  L PS. Those slides are worth a look. Weblogic AND WebSphere om VMS just has toH be good! There are a lot of people in VMS doing a lot of good in gettingJ software available (ported if need be) onto VMS. I certainly wouldn't wantC to discourage anyone. Well done. *BUT* just remember that there are L customers *and lots of them* who are still developing code on VMS. They need( support too. They need Tier3 and hotTIP!  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C682@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com]! > Sent: October 22, 2005 12:00 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday)  >  > Hi,  > H > > HP has announced availability of Web Service Integration Toolkit for > > OpenVMS (WSIT) version 1.0 > > > First is was ONC/RPC, then DCE/RPC then COM then Bridgeworks > and now it'sE > WSIT - Just how many "Tools for porting our legacy COBOL, BASIC etc E > customers to newer technologies" are you blokes gonna come up with?  > H > Where is Kerry Main??? Presumably Kerry, the necessity to produce real= > customer requirements before HP project funding is approved  > does not apply= > to those in charge of the Crystal Ball. But obviously we're  > all riding the= > crest of technological innovation and the money that's been  > squandered on 7 > these many disasters is just a natural progression on  > someone's path to  > enlightenment? >    Richard,  E First - I am certainly not the right resource talking in detail about H software strategies and futures. There are certainly more guru's in that" area from HP on this list than me.  H Having stated that, my own view is that the tools are designed to assistH Cust's with integrating their code into J2EE/.Net environments. They areD not intended to be replacements or as a means to port existing code.  
 Reference:> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/wsit/index.html  F In terms of tools futures, check out the official roadmaps located at:G http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm (October  2005)   F Beyond those roadmaps, I can only advise you to contact HP and requestG an NDA for additional details and/or provide feedback. In addition, you A might consider the next annual OpenVMS boot camp as they get into @ additional info on futures. It is also a way to provide feedback, directly to Prod Management and Engineering.   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)   4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:52:06 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 5 Subject: RE: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday) R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70C68D@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com]=20   > Sent: October 22, 2005 8:13 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Re: updated VMS Information (sent yesterday)  >=20 > Hi Kerry,  >=20? > > First - I am certainly not the right resource talking in=20  > detail about$ > > software strategies and futures. >=20? > That may be, but you're certainly not shy when it comes to=20  > telling everyone9 > that two-phase commit transactions (heterogeneous or=20  > otherwise) are a wasteD > of time and that absolutely no one out there in VMS is using them. >=20   Huh?   What are you talking about?   F I asked who in the Windows world was using 2PC - not OpenVMS .. I knowE many OpenVMS sites use it, but it is primarily VMS to VMS as far as I  know.=20  G I just have a really hard time trying to imagine (but certainly willing F to be corrected) of someone who needs HA and data consistency normally+ associated with 2PC doing it on Windows.=20   H Perhaps the vendor recommended monthly security patches and virus issuesF are not a concern for them, but 2PC is typically reserved for the most critical data consistency.  F Again, I am just curious to find out if someone knows of any site that& is doing 2PC on Windows (not OpenVMS).  	 [snip ..]    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:51:21 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: URL grumble* Message-ID: <435AA649.48F24C2@comcast.net>   issinoho wrote:  >  > A few observations,  > / > Why does http://www.openvms.com take me here, ! > http://www.acctgsoftware.com/ ?   D I've corrsponded privately with the owner of openvms.com. I made himE aware of the situation, and he fixed it - though probably not to your  liking.   G If you wish to discuss the matter further, e-mail me privately - how to ' de-mung the reply-to should be obvious.    > [snip]; > Would it be too hard to make things a bit easier to find?   H Well, yeah - I suppose it would, because then VMS would be found by moreF folks more often, and then they'd be even further pressed to do thingsF they don't want to do (I'm sure i don't need to repeat THAT litany yet, again). So, they live on in happy obscurity.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:22:52 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: VMS support strategy?+ Message-ID: <435A837B.69A52AAD@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <43508885.3C09CB59@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Pete wrote:  > >>G > >> Is there a forum to discuss support strategies for VMS?  Given the J > >> current concerns about HP's committment to supporting VMS I'd like toK > >> hear from other concerned netizens.  If there is a better forum please  > >> feel free to inform.  > > 5 > > Well, there's a lot of "discussion" of that here.  > > J > > Generally, the feeling is that VMS needs to be bought away from HP and > E > No, _generally_ the feeling is that a bunch of loudmouths spend all E > their time grousing about non-technical issues rather than creating  > great software on VMS.  E ...and if their confidence in a market for such products is less than  you might hope for, ...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.591 ************************