1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 24 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 593       Contents:B Re: Ah, if only it had been a disaster tolerant multi-site cluster/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today * Re: Lack of response from HP field service  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem@ Re: Porting VAX/VMS to 8086 (Was: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?)@ Re: Porting VAX/VMS to 8086 (Was: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?)' Re: pws600au vms startup console output P Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (pa. Trip Report part 2 France, Netherlands, Sweden VAXBI node number plug needed   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:07:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> K Subject: Re: Ah, if only it had been a disaster tolerant multi-site cluster , Message-ID: <435BFB88.38CD17D3@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:F > The only way companies would even remotely consider changing is whenF > they have a compelling business reason for doing so. Preventing what1 > just occurred likely classifies as one example.   G Or use IBM 1980s tactics: Get a VMS ambassador to visit the CEO of that D company, take him to a fancy lunch followed by game of golf (or vice@ versa) and explain that "going with the flow" often measn takingE substandard IT infrastructrure which ends up costing the company more E money and disruption and kills the image of the company as a reliable H one. And mention how VMS is reliable, robust, has disaster tolerance etcE etc and ask him why his team of supposed exprtes didn't even consider , VMS for such a mission critical application.  E The CEO will have had his curiosity stimulated and will then question H his folks on this. When the IT guys respond with stupid answers, the CEOF will remembe the conversation with the VMS ambassador and realise that; his IT folks aren't as knowledgeable as they pretend to be.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:44:24 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today6 Message-ID: <YZP6f.15176$Bf7.495@tornado.texas.rr.com>  & Dan O'Reilly (dano@process.com) wrote: : D : Having been forced once to join a union, I totally agree with the I : "arrogant, greedy" etc line.  There was a place for unions in the past, H : but their time has, by and large, passed (and has been so for the last : few decades).  :   F What occupation would you take up if you lost your IT-related position2 to offshoring or non-immigrant visas (H-1B, L-1) ?  " Don't count on becoming a teacher:  /    http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/050826_vfl.htm -    VDARE.com: 08/26/05 - View From Lodi, CA:  7    Look Out Teachers; The H-1B Visa Gang Wants Your Job   L   "...Rob Sanchez, who tracks non-immigrant visa issues and is the WebmasterH    for the invaluable www.zazona.com, says school districts fail to lookG    at unemployed local professionals. Many laid off software engineers, B    for example, have gone back to school to get education degrees.  .    Wrote Sanchez in his August 3rd newsletter:  G    "School districts all over the United States are actively recruiting D    foreign teachers for our schools. In this case, Filipino math and>    science teachers on H-1B visas have just arrived in Nevada.  H    I have talked to many engineers and programmers that have been unableG    to get teaching jobs in math and science, despite the fact that they D    went back to school to get education degrees. Despite the growingF    number of desperate unemployed high-tech workers states like NevadaF    still claim there is a shortage of these types of teachers. This isE    just another cruel insult to the growing number of highly educated 2    professionals that can't find meaningful work."  I    And when Sanchez says that recruitment of foreign teachers is going on      nationwide, he isn't kidding.  E      o  In 2003, Arizona educators traveled to New Delhi for teachers I         even though the local Scottsdale Unified School District cut 175  I         jobs during the same period. [Teachers Recruited from India, Pat  1         Kossan, Arizona Republic, March 22, 2003]   B      o  In June 2004, the New York Department of Education, cryingL         "shortage," added 200 additional teachers from Jamaica to its staff.K         The state offered two additional bonuses: free legal advice so that J         they could convert their visas into permanent residency status and         free temporary housing.   >      o  In September 2001, Cleveland hired 50 math and specialJ         education teachers from India. This year 500 pink slips are being @         sent out in what the Cleveland Plain-Dealer describes as  B                "The first wave in what will be deep staff cuts in %                 the school district."   G         [Nearly 500 Teachers Will Be Cut, Janet Okoben and Ebony Reed,            April 23, 2005]  G    At the beginning of my column I warned that teachers should be leery     of the trend to hire H-1Bs.  G    Conservative estimates put the number of teachers with non-immigrant '    visas at about 15,000...and growing.   H    If you wonder why the attraction to H-1Bs is so strong, read the 2004B    National Education Association report Trends in Foreign Teacher    Recruitment.       From the NEA report:     H     "...Some foreign teachers receive lower pay than comparable teachers      in their schools."       And:   F      "...Some school districts pay their nonimmigrant employees as newE       teachers, regardless of their experience and qualifications..."   D "Workers' rights is becoming as big an oxymoron as "business ethics"B since corporations are in control of the Congress and White House.  D Corporations are more likely to fire people now for union activities than back in the 1950s.   2    http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0823-02.htm"    What About Corporate Terrorism?&                                       G   "Published on Friday, August 23, 2002 in the Long Island, NY Newsday      by David Moberg     &                                       F    Until 1998 Sherri Bufkin happily worked as a manager for SmithfieldA    Foods in Tar Heel, N.C. But in 1997, when workers in the giant I    meatpacking plant there began to organize a union, her superiors - she H    has testified - forced her to join their campaign to "do whatever was&    necessary to keep [the union] out."&                                       B    Bufkin also said she had to tell workers that they would sufferE    violence and lose jobs if they formed a union, and that she had to H    discriminate in assignments against pro-union workers. Worse yet, herH    bosses insisted that she fire some workers simply because they openlyG    supported a union. Then they demanded that she sign false affidavits C    about management's tactics - many of which clearly violated laws )    protecting workers' right to organize. &                                       G    Shortly after she refused to lie for the company at a National Labor C    Relations Board hearing, Smithfield fired her, plunging her into I    prolonged unemployment and bankruptcy. "I don't regret standing up for G    the truth," she told a June 20 Senate committee hearing on obstacles G    to forming unions, "because now I can look my daughter square in the     eye."&                                       H    Senators also heard from workers - like nurse Nancy Schweikhard, shipF    captain Eric J. Vizier and hotel worker Mario Vidales - who told ofF    being the direct victims of management harassment, threats to closeB    their workplaces, a beating by anti-union thugs, and arrests or@    surveillance by police cooperating with anti-union employers.&                                       H    But few other Americans heard these stories, because the hearing wentC    nearly unreported. That's a shame. At a time when the country is C    preoccupied with terrorism from abroad and Enron-style corporate H    abuses at home, it is important to remember that millions of AmericanE    workers who would like to have a voice on the job have been denied H    their internationally recognized human rights by corporations who "inE    too many cases act like real domestic terrorists," in the words of #    AFL-CIO organizer Stewart Acuff. &                                       F    According to Senate testimony from Kenneth Roth, whose Human Rights@    Watch group two years ago documented "widespread labor rightsI    violations" in the United States, in the 1950s a few hundred workers a F    year were fired - illegally - for trying to organize unions. But inC    1998 - despite a much lower level of union organizing activity - B    24,000 workers lost their jobs just because they were trying toF    exercise their internationally guaranteed freedom to associate with    other workers on the job.&                                       H    Now, less than 14 percent of the U.S. workforce belong to unions, butC    surveys suggest that 44 percent wish they did. Employer threats, G    firings and systematic intimidation stifle many bids to unionize. In C    92 percent of all organizing efforts, employers force workers to G    attend anti-union meetings. In half of all campaigns - and more than C    70 percent of organizing at manufacturing businesses - employers B    threaten to close the business and, often, to move overseas, if    workers unionize..." &                                            --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Oct 2005 18:34:31 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <3s23dnFlvl5rU1@individual.net>   6 In article <YZP6f.15176$Bf7.495@tornado.texas.rr.com>,. 	LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) writes:( > Dan O'Reilly (dano@process.com) wrote: >:  E >: Having been forced once to join a union, I totally agree with the  J >: "arrogant, greedy" etc line.  There was a place for unions in the past,I >: but their time has, by and large, passed (and has been so for the last  >: few decades). >: > H > What occupation would you take up if you lost your IT-related position4 > to offshoring or non-immigrant visas (H-1B, L-1) ?  F Whagt does any of this have to do with unions other than to prove thatF they offer no preotection at all (hint, the teachers around here stillL have very strong unions which they use to strangle the educational process).   bill   > $ > Don't count on becoming a teacher: > 1 >    http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/050826_vfl.htm / >    VDARE.com: 08/26/05 - View From Lodi, CA:  9 >    Look Out Teachers; The H-1B Visa Gang Wants Your Job  > N >   "...Rob Sanchez, who tracks non-immigrant visa issues and is the WebmasterJ >    for the invaluable www.zazona.com, says school districts fail to lookI >    at unemployed local professionals. Many laid off software engineers, D >    for example, have gone back to school to get education degrees. > 0 >    Wrote Sanchez in his August 3rd newsletter: > I >    "School districts all over the United States are actively recruiting F >    foreign teachers for our schools. In this case, Filipino math and@ >    science teachers on H-1B visas have just arrived in Nevada. > J >    I have talked to many engineers and programmers that have been unableI >    to get teaching jobs in math and science, despite the fact that they F >    went back to school to get education degrees. Despite the growingH >    number of desperate unemployed high-tech workers states like NevadaH >    still claim there is a shortage of these types of teachers. This isG >    just another cruel insult to the growing number of highly educated 4 >    professionals that can't find meaningful work." > K >    And when Sanchez says that recruitment of foreign teachers is going on " >    nationwide, he isn't kidding. > G >      o  In 2003, Arizona educators traveled to New Delhi for teachers K >         even though the local Scottsdale Unified School District cut 175  K >         jobs during the same period. [Teachers Recruited from India, Pat  3 >         Kossan, Arizona Republic, March 22, 2003]  > D >      o  In June 2004, the New York Department of Education, cryingN >         "shortage," added 200 additional teachers from Jamaica to its staff.M >         The state offered two additional bonuses: free legal advice so that L >         they could convert their visas into permanent residency status and! >         free temporary housing.  > @ >      o  In September 2001, Cleveland hired 50 math and specialL >         education teachers from India. This year 500 pink slips are being B >         sent out in what the Cleveland Plain-Dealer describes as > D >                "The first wave in what will be deep staff cuts in ' >                 the school district."  > I >         [Nearly 500 Teachers Will Be Cut, Janet Okoben and Ebony Reed,   >          April 23, 2005] > I >    At the beginning of my column I warned that teachers should be leery   >    of the trend to hire H-1Bs. > I >    Conservative estimates put the number of teachers with non-immigrant ) >    visas at about 15,000...and growing.  > J >    If you wonder why the attraction to H-1Bs is so strong, read the 2004D >    National Education Association report Trends in Foreign Teacher >    Recruitment.  >  >    From the NEA report:    > J >     "...Some foreign teachers receive lower pay than comparable teachers >      in their schools."  > 	 >    And:  > H >      "...Some school districts pay their nonimmigrant employees as newG >       teachers, regardless of their experience and qualifications..."  > F > "Workers' rights is becoming as big an oxymoron as "business ethics"D > since corporations are in control of the Congress and White House. > F > Corporations are more likely to fire people now for union activities > than back in the 1950s.  > 4 >    http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0823-02.htm$ >    What About Corporate Terrorism?( >                                       I >   "Published on Friday, August 23, 2002 in the Long Island, NY Newsday   >    by David Moberg >     ( >                                       H >    Until 1998 Sherri Bufkin happily worked as a manager for SmithfieldC >    Foods in Tar Heel, N.C. But in 1997, when workers in the giant K >    meatpacking plant there began to organize a union, her superiors - she J >    has testified - forced her to join their campaign to "do whatever was( >    necessary to keep [the union] out."( >                                       D >    Bufkin also said she had to tell workers that they would sufferG >    violence and lose jobs if they formed a union, and that she had to J >    discriminate in assignments against pro-union workers. Worse yet, herJ >    bosses insisted that she fire some workers simply because they openlyI >    supported a union. Then they demanded that she sign false affidavits E >    about management's tactics - many of which clearly violated laws + >    protecting workers' right to organize. ( >                                       I >    Shortly after she refused to lie for the company at a National Labor E >    Relations Board hearing, Smithfield fired her, plunging her into K >    prolonged unemployment and bankruptcy. "I don't regret standing up for I >    the truth," she told a June 20 Senate committee hearing on obstacles I >    to forming unions, "because now I can look my daughter square in the 
 >    eye."( >                                       J >    Senators also heard from workers - like nurse Nancy Schweikhard, shipH >    captain Eric J. Vizier and hotel worker Mario Vidales - who told ofH >    being the direct victims of management harassment, threats to closeD >    their workplaces, a beating by anti-union thugs, and arrests orB >    surveillance by police cooperating with anti-union employers.( >                                       J >    But few other Americans heard these stories, because the hearing wentE >    nearly unreported. That's a shame. At a time when the country is E >    preoccupied with terrorism from abroad and Enron-style corporate J >    abuses at home, it is important to remember that millions of AmericanG >    workers who would like to have a voice on the job have been denied J >    their internationally recognized human rights by corporations who "inG >    too many cases act like real domestic terrorists," in the words of % >    AFL-CIO organizer Stewart Acuff. ( >                                       H >    According to Senate testimony from Kenneth Roth, whose Human RightsB >    Watch group two years ago documented "widespread labor rightsK >    violations" in the United States, in the 1950s a few hundred workers a H >    year were fired - illegally - for trying to organize unions. But inE >    1998 - despite a much lower level of union organizing activity - D >    24,000 workers lost their jobs just because they were trying toH >    exercise their internationally guaranteed freedom to associate with >    other workers on the job.( >                                       J >    Now, less than 14 percent of the U.S. workforce belong to unions, butE >    surveys suggest that 44 percent wish they did. Employer threats, I >    firings and systematic intimidation stifle many bids to unionize. In E >    92 percent of all organizing efforts, employers force workers to I >    attend anti-union meetings. In half of all campaigns - and more than E >    70 percent of organizing at manufacturing businesses - employers D >    threaten to close the business and, often, to move overseas, if >    workers unionize..." ( >                                        >  >  > --Jerry Leslie; >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:47:53 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today8 Message-ID: <JiV6f.13939$5e4.12051@tornado.texas.rr.com>  2 Bill Gunshannon (bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu) wrote: : H : Whagt does any of this have to do with unions other than to prove thatH : they offer no preotection at all (hint, the teachers around here stillN : have very strong unions which they use to strangle the educational process). :   G Workers have no protection from corporations that now "own and operate"  the government.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:03:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today, Message-ID: <435C24B9.8CE7F126@teksavvy.com>   Dan O'Reilly wrote: C > Having been forced once to join a union, I totally agree with the M > "arrogant, greedy" etc line.  There was a place for unions in the past, but ' > their time has, by and large, passed      = Yes and no. With the downsizing happening in business, having G CONSTRUCTIVE unions work with management to bring down costs and reduce # employment equitably would be good.   A The problem is that unions are not working constructively and are * refusing downsizing. (generally speaking).   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:10:10 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> 3 Subject: Re: Lack of response from HP field service 7 Message-ID: <6mQ6f.2379$Zd.572@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    Alan Greig wrote:  >  > 
 > Z wrote: >  >> Alan Greig wrote: >>G >>> Is this typical now or have I just been unlucky? Two weeks with no  . >>> response let alone a repair is ridiculous. >> >> >>/ >> In my experience, that's not typical at all.  >  > I > I've now had a response from someone highish up in HP UK (on a Sunday)  9 > after my message was forwarded to them (thanks Colin!).  > D Your call must have been lost. If that ever happens elevate.  Don't  simmer get action.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 06:56:09 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 1 Message-ID: <djh4h6$j2g$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Paul,  H > I'm wondering if the misdeclaration of the flags field as a COMP-1 (32D > bit F-floating for non COBOL folks) in Alex's declarations was the > 'pilot error'...  J You're right. I ran the thing with lib$k_noWAKE set to 1 as an f-float and0 it understandably failed to perform as expected.   Cheers Richard Maher  3 "Paul Sture" <paul.sture@decus.ch> wrote in message % news:3s1hlsFm2jlnU1@individual.net...  > Richard Maher wrote:K > > OK Here's a better example. Try toggling the value of lib$k_nowait from  0/1 5 > > between runs and see the difference in behaviour.  > C > Yes, I can see different behaviour here when I toggle that (COBOL  > V2.5-961, VMS V7.2). > H > Note that with lib$k_nowait set to zero, the sys$hiber at the end alsoC > performs a 10 second wait - I added another  "perform show_time." " > immediately after "Whatsagohon?" > # > Result with lib$k_nowait = zero :  >  > $ run test_wait_2 ! > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:12:05.73 ! > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:12:05.73 ! > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:12:15.73 ! > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:12:15.73 & > Whatsagohon? Why aren't we snoozing?E > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:12:25.73    <--- note, another 10 sec delay.  >   > Result with lib$k_nowait = 1 : >  > $ run test_wait_2 ! > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:14:53.46 ! > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:15:03.46 ! > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:15:13.46 ! > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:15:23.46 & > Whatsagohon? Why aren't we snoozing?8 > Time is 23-OCT-2005 09:15:23.46    <--- no extra delay >  > > (I would have posted it K > > earlier this morning but I've just got back from taking the kids to the H > > beach. Yes, it's finally warm! (So you know where you can stick your Tuscan > > sunsets :-)  >  > :-)  > L > > I think the moral of the story is that unless you know for sure that theL > > $wake was for you then you'd better not use it up. As I said before thisH > > could be your problem with Rdb but my money is still on pilot error. Sorry. > >  > H > I'm wondering if the misdeclaration of the flags field as a COMP-1 (32D > bit F-floating for non COBOL folks) in Alex's declarations was the > 'pilot error'...   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:57:31 GMT * From: AlexB <BartonekDragRacing@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 6 Message-ID: <pan.2005.10.23.23.08.07.460948@yahoo.com>   Paul/Richard/Stanley/all  D I havent gotten back to checking it out.  I will change the variableJ declaration probably later tonight.   Someone wanted to see a code snippet? as to how I was using it in a perform loop.  I will do 3 things I today..fix the declaration and retest..if that doesnt fix it I will write I a plain jane program that does the same thing and then post the code here  for all to see.   : Give me a few hrs..just finished mowing the lawn etc..lol.   -Alex    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 01:38:40 GMT * From: AlexB <BartonekDragRacing@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 6 Message-ID: <pan.2005.10.24.01.49.17.256137@yahoo.com>  5 On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:52:53 +0200, Paul Sture wrote:   G > Maybe you transcribed the above incorrectly, but libnowake should be   > declared as a longword:  > ( > 01 libnowake     pic 9(5)comp value 1.  = WOOO HOOO!!!!! That was it!!  You are awesome!!  Thanks Paul.    -Alex    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2005 21:16:26 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 3 Message-ID: <2WxFVJOhpSTc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <pan.2005.10.24.01.49.17.256137@yahoo.com>, AlexB <BartonekDragRacing@yahoo.com> writes: 7 > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:52:53 +0200, Paul Sture wrote:  > H >> Maybe you transcribed the above incorrectly, but libnowake should be  >> declared as a longword: >>  ) >> 01 libnowake     pic 9(5)comp value 1.  > ? > WOOO HOOO!!!!! That was it!!  You are awesome!!  Thanks Paul.   E So this was fundamentally something that would be corrected by a more  strongly typed language.   > Here is my call:  E > CALL "LIB$WAIT" USING BY REFERENCE duration, libnowake, float-type    % Ada package LIB defines LIB$WAIT with    	SECONDS : in FLOAT   7 Pascal module PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES defines LIB$WAIT with    	seconds : SINGLE    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 02:31:02 GMT * From: AlexB <BartonekDragRacing@yahoo.com>) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 6 Message-ID: <pan.2005.10.24.02.41.19.392888@yahoo.com>  : On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:16:26 -0500, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  G > So this was fundamentally something that would be corrected by a more  > strongly typed language. >  >> Here is my call: F >> CALL "LIB$WAIT" USING BY REFERENCE duration, libnowake, float-type  > ' > Ada package LIB defines LIB$WAIT with  >  > 	SECONDS : in FLOAT  > 9 > Pascal module PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES defines LIB$WAIT with  >  > 	seconds : SINGLE   D it wasnt the seconds in question...it was the way I had parameter #2? declared..the libnowake parameter..   As for using a 'stronger'   language..do you mean 'C' ?  ;)    -=Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:39:09 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 1 Message-ID: <djhhj7$7ap$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   	 Hi Larry,   G > So this was fundamentally something that would be corrected by a more  > strongly typed language.  K The flight-simulator usually picks up a lot of 'em as well :-) As someone's H posting tag at DEC once read "Week-typing is for Strong stomachs!". Make mine a Prawn Phal!   > ' > Ada package LIB defines LIB$WAIT with  >  > SECONDS : in FLOAT > 9 > Pascal module PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES defines LIB$WAIT with  >  > seconds : SINGLE  L Good to see they're kept up to date with new VMS functionality then. (or did+ you just not include the other parameters?)   F BTW. What happens in ADA, Pascal etc if a routine wants an argument BYE DESCRIPTOR but you'd like to build your own descriptor and pass it by I reference? (You have a User Defined Datatype of  "Descriptor" I suppose?) C And if you dynamiccaly allocate memory it's how you MAP it I guess? 0 Procedure calling standard Arg-Lists on the fly?  I Anyway, I agree that training-wheels and speed-limiters do have a role to , play. A man's gotta know his limitations :-)   Regards Richard Maher   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:2WxFVJOhpSTc@eisner.encompasserve.org... > > In article <pan.2005.10.24.01.49.17.256137@yahoo.com>, AlexB& <BartonekDragRacing@yahoo.com> writes:9 > > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:52:53 +0200, Paul Sture wrote:  > > I > >> Maybe you transcribed the above incorrectly, but libnowake should be  > >> declared as a longword: > >>+ > >> 01 libnowake     pic 9(5)comp value 1.  > > A > > WOOO HOOO!!!!! That was it!!  You are awesome!!  Thanks Paul.  > G > So this was fundamentally something that would be corrected by a more  > strongly typed language. >  > > Here is my call:F > > CALL "LIB$WAIT" USING BY REFERENCE duration, libnowake, float-type > ' > Ada package LIB defines LIB$WAIT with  >  > SECONDS : in FLOAT > 9 > Pascal module PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES defines LIB$WAIT with  >  > seconds : SINGLE   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:33:27 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> I Subject: Re: Porting VAX/VMS to 8086 (Was: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?) 1 Message-ID: <djhdo3$1rt$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi Dave,  J > Me thinks that Richard has pulled your leg a bit, maybe several thousand
 > miles.  :-)   D Ah, many a true word spoken in jest. By the end of what started as aL toungue-in-cheek reply, I was beginning to be more interested in JF's VMS'86L push. (Living proof of why you shouldn't talk to weirdos who stop you in theG street. They'll brain-wash you and then you start giving them money :-)   E Everyone, quite rightly, points out the opportunity cost to other VMS J functionality but I think we've done OK lately especially consider the I64K port draining resources. (Cluster-interconnects, mini-merge, galaxies, UNIX K cloaking, plus all the ISV stuff) Come to think of it, whenever anyone asks F what new "VMS functionality are you guys/gal crying out for?" all yourL feeble imaginations can come up with is "I'd like a new lexical for this" orI "Can't we change the default qualifier for this obscure DCL verb" or "A C ( include file for that would be nice" :-(  5 So what does VMS need that an 8086 port would retard?   & **************************************  L One thing that we definitely *need* today that VMS engineering can't provide is : -  3 SQL> set session authorization persona :ws_integer;   D I BEG you! if you are using Rdb please get intouch with your accountE managers and plead with them for this functionality. (Given that "set L session authorization user :ws_username using :ws_password;" already exists,4 someone should be able to knock it up in a weekend.)  K If you agree with this obvious requirement and would like to use it at your @ site then please mail Kevin Duffy at the typical oracle address.  & **************************************   Regards Richard Maher   4 "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message* news:11lmbkc3ocgij22@corp.supernews.com... > JF Mezei wrote:  > > Richard Maher wrote: > > D > >>Given the near 1:1 instuction set match between the 8086 and VAX
 assemblersH > >>(I have no idea how close they really are but to the casual observer theyJ > >>both quack-like-a-duck.  Anyway, that's what John Reagan's for), would itJ > >>not be better (cheaper and easier!) to port *VAX*/VMS to 8086 and then add I > >>the 64-bit VLM extensions? The new features that made it to Alpha and  thenB > >>I64 could subsequently be rolled-out, once more, with a proven8 > >>upgrade/modification path, at engineering's leisure. >  > <snip> > K > > Would it really be easier to port VAX-VMS to the 8086 instruction set ? H > >  Seems to me that if they managed to get VMS on IA64, that code base6 > > should be versatile enough to also go to the 8086. > J > Me thinks that Richard has pulled your leg a bit, maybe several thousand
 > miles.  :-)  >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:21:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> I Subject: Re: Porting VAX/VMS to 8086 (Was: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?) , Message-ID: <435C4526.A79BB7D0@teksavvy.com>   Richard Maher wrote:M > cloaking, plus all the ISV stuff) Come to think of it, whenever anyone asks H > what new "VMS functionality are you guys/gal crying out for?" all yourL > feeble imaginations can come up with is "I'd like a new lexical for this"   F There are many signoficant thinsg that are needed. Update to Xwindows,A motif, major rework of MAIL to better support internet emails and E attachements, rework of the file system to really support file length G calculation and storage so that applications such as IMAP don't have to E read the file to calculate its length. (eg: you calculate it once and D store the value, and the value remains until file is next change, atF which point the value is set to -1 to indicate tvalue is not vaailable until recalculated).   I could go on.    7 > So what does VMS need that an 8086 port would retard?     F The port to 8086 is a necessary evil. VMS cannot realise its potentialG until it is available on a popular low cost commodity industry standard @ platform which is not only widely accepted but also doesn't have" constant image of "it won't last".  A Once ported to the 8086, there will not be any discussions of the B platform's rug being pulled from under VMS' fragile feet. VMS will2 finally be able to grow without fears of it dying.  C And with VMS on the 8086, able to scale from laptop to data centre, G sales growth will increase profits and people won't fear HP deciding to 
 kill VMS.   B As long as VMS is limited to only the niche market served by IA64,G people will worry that volumes are not high enough to sustain VMS, will E fear HP pulling the plug on VMS, and more importantly, will know that F the VMS market potential is not big enough to attract new applications and bring back SAP etc.   F And with Hurd now limiting IA64 statements to "we'll support customersJ who choose IA64", it doesn't help foster an image of potential for growth.  F Itanic is at best stalled, and at worse sinking. Focusing resources onF improving VMS now instead of deploying the 8086 lifeboat is a bit likeG the musicians who continued to play music on the deck of the Titanic to  appease the passengers.   C Yes, the port to 8086 will take time and resources. But until it is " done, VMS' potential won't happen.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:18:33 -0500 ) From: Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> 0 Subject: Re: pws600au vms startup console outputB Message-ID: <1130095113.0e0e8f7f37b42bf171cef58d8c8a232e@teranews>  L On 2005-10-23 12:34:45 -0500, Bob Blunt <RobertDOTblunt@digitalDOTcom> said:   > Wayne Sewell wrote: K >> On 2005-10-15 23:26:53 -0500, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) said:  >>  - >>> From: Wayne  Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>  >>> K >>>> Yep, turns out it's TTA0, not OPA0.  See my response to David Sneddon.  >>>>  B >>>> The question is why you are allowed to boot from TTA0 at all. >>>  >>> I >>>    It was _helping_ you.  Some people will complain if they're hanged  >>> with a new rope. >>>  >>  J >> Yeah, some help.  If it *really* wants to be helpful, it should behave J >> like a full console instead of a half-assed one.  In other words, make I >> the two ports completely interchangable, so it doesn't matter *which*  J >> one you use.  For that matter, all machines should do this.  Make OPA0 > >> be whichever port you get input from when no OS is running. >>  I >> The only possible use for the current gag is if the real OPA0 port is  G >> physically broken.  Otherwise it makes more sense to simply use the  4 >> real console port and get the full functionality. > E > Wayne, it's that way on any console-capable "port" on most Alphas.  J > Regardless if you have "console" set to serial or graphics if you had a J > graphics head on your system and pressed <CR> on it's keyboard it would H > allow you to use that one as an "auxiliary or alternate" console too. I > There are a few of the older Alpha systems that are less forgiving and  J > one or two that just don't "act properly" without a graphics interface,  > keyboard and mouse.  > D > Some of the VAXen were just as confusing, but you didn't have the F > flexibility as you do on the Alphas.  You'd plug a console into the G > wrong port and it just did't give you ANYTHING until VMS booted.  We  I > tried to label those so it was less painful to figure out, but some of  J > them still required graphics in the manuals to make it clear.  It isn't J > a huge deal, you've got it figured out now.  Bottom line is that if you H > don't see self-test on an Alpha you're connected to the wrong port or , > the "console" variable is set incorrectly. > E > If you don't like this "feature" you're definitely not going to be  I > happy with it's equivalent on the Itanium systems.  The Alpha solution  & > is wonderfully simple in comparison.  C On the contrary, I *love* the consoles on the itanium systems.  At  G least the one on the rx2600, which is  the only itan I have experience  E with so far.   Yes, it is complicated, especially setting it up, and  F radically different from what we are used to, but it has capabilities 4 far beyond what I have experienced on alpha systems.  B I never had any problems determining the proper port to use, even ? without reading the manual.  The management card has a slew of  E dedicated connectors, clearly marked as such with a visual separator  H around them.  There is a special cable that plugs into a huge connector G in the management area and splits out into three connectors.  Right on  E the connectors it says CONSOLE, REMOTE, UPS.  None of this "do I use  = port 0 or port 1" shit.  Even if you want to use the regular  E os-accessible serial ports for some reason, instead of the dedicated  F console port, even there the word CONSOLE appears on the correct port.  H I don't know if you get full functionality with that alternate console. G  Nor do I care.  Why use it when there is a dedicated console port?  I  & haven't been curious enough to try it.  D A graphics monitor has never been anywhere near the unit, nor has a F keyboard.  Not only that, but the management card has its own CPU and @ network interface and IP address, completely independent of the B operating system, so you don't really need a serial *or* graphics / console at all once the IP interface is set up.   > And I haven't even addressed the fact that you can access the E management card, either via telnet or the console serial port, while  H vms is running.  If you switch over and switch back, you don't miss any H vms console messages.  They are saved for you and you see them when you  reconnect to the vms console.    --   Wayne Sewell   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:12:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (pa , Message-ID: <435BFCA1.DD670030@teksavvy.com>  " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > H > The customer visits have a very specific agenda since for these visits@ > there was no management just Guy, Norm and myself (unless I am; > considered the token mangment person, if so I need work).   H Would this have been a very technical discussion ? Would this be general@ requests for improvements in VMS, or discussions of the types ofF problems they are having and wanting to see some way to resolve this ?  D (I ask this in general terms for those types of visits, not that one specific visit).    F > As far as my nickname, I have no idea what they called me when I was- > not around but it must have been something.   C I am sure it is a kind nickname that reflects your kind and patient 
 personality !    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2005 16:19:15 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com 7 Subject: Trip Report part 2 France, Netherlands, Sweden B Message-ID: <1130109555.808970.28240@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan& Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:16 PM To: Skonetski, Susan7 Subject: Trip Report part 2 France, Netherlands, Sweden      Dear Distribution lists,  = The is part deux of the 2005 European OpenVMS Technical Tour.   D The Team was Guy Peleg, Andy Goldstein, Richard Bishop, Doug Gordon,C Norm Lastovica (Oracle Rdb), Brad McCusker, Sunil Kumaran, Philippe E Vigier (Oracle Rdb), Yanick Pouffary, Christian Moser, Brad McCusker. @ And for the first time we had VMS management representation Paul@ LaCombe, Jim Lancianni, Jim Janetos, MaryJane Vazquez.  At every> location the agenda was modified usually the day of the event.  C I am sure that the other team members can fill in many more details > where I have forgotten.  I have taken some pictures if you areG interested.  I do not mind if you distribute this since I avoided using  any customer names.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue     * Wednesday October 5th Switzerland - France  F We leave Switzerland to head to France.  We arrive to the hotel aroundE 13:00 imagine our happiness to see Yanick Pouffary in the hotel lobby D who is there for the TCP/IP presentation and Richard Bishop (RichardE and Andy Goldstein switched positions half way through the tour).  We G all drop our stuff in our rooms and walk to a place for lunch which was A great and in eye site of the Eiffel tower.  Imagine our increased F surprise and happiness when a few minutes latter Jim Janet's shows up,F now the entire team is able to have lunch together (with the exceptionD of Guy).  After we have lunch a few of us decide to go to the top ofF the Eiffel tower.  It is really an amazing engineering marvel (lots ofF rivets) we went all the way to the top and even in the fog and rain itG is worth it.  On the top there was an American couple and the man asked E the woman to marry him and she started to cry I took their camera and D took their picture so they have it for later, they were crying I wasG crying it was very romantic and emotional. Walking back to the hotel it F is amazing to see the boats in the river they are very long flat bargeB like boats some people obviously live on, others are tourist boatsG which are very skillfully maneuvered and others are used to haul sand a E gravel.  There is also a small version of the statue of Liberty (V.0) E When we get back to the hotel Christian Moser has arrived.  The hotel B only has internet cards that allow 5 people on one card so we workE together to read our mail in the hotel bar/lobby that way I can get a G coke lite (diet coke).  Dinner at an Italian place that night, tomorrow  is our first Paris TUD.    Thursday October 6th France   E Ambassador Denis Maillard picks Yanick, Jim and myself up the rest of G the team takes a cab to the Paris HP office for the TUD.  As we walk in F the lobby we are met by Benoit Maillard (Denis brother) who is part ofC BCS marketing and is helping coordinating the event as well as Homi D Faris the Ambassador hosting the event.  I was not expecting as manyE folks as we had in Paris, we had about 84 attendees.  One of the cool G things that happened was that I spoke about the Italian openvms.org and B received a volunteer to do a French one. The French customers haveB created a VMS professional organization and are revitalizing theirG local user groups.  Also in attendance is Johan the Michaels one of the E Ambassadors from Belgium who is there speaking about Cockpit Manager. E To add some excitement to the day we did get a fire alarm.  On of the G things that I saw in the Paris office that I had not seen anywhere else > were new Integrity posters with VMS on them as well as the newE brochures in French.  After the event we went to a Chinese/Thai place B for dinner.  Then Richard and I went for a walk, (FYI at 10 PM theF lights flash on the defile tower), then Richard  Jim and myself took aD cab to the Champs Elysees for a walk things start to start happeningD around 11:30 and its very beautiful, it's a little hard to get a cab& (they are all full) but well worth it.  # Friday October 7th France - Belgium   C This is very cool - Norm and I are going to Bruges Belgium to visit F Johan however there is a transportation strike in Belgium.  So we takeG the fast train from Paris to Lile (right on the border) Johan will pick G us up there. And they are not kidding about it being a fast train.  Its G like flying on the ground, you really can not see anything close to the E train it goes by to fast.  If you every have the opportunity to do it F its worth it and quicker than flying and worth the experience.  BrugesG is one of the most beautiful towns I have ever seen in Europe there are D canals, beautiful old houses, big town squares everything is walkingG distance and did I mention that one of the places has over 200 types of B beer?  Johan picks us up for a dinner party and in addition to hisE charming daughter and wife Rudy is there from HP.  After a phenomenal C meal that would be the envy of any gourmet restaurant and countless F stories and laughter so hearty that my side ached for two days.  We goF visit the horse, yes the horse at the barn.  Johan's daughter and wifeF enjoy riding and have a horse and it needed to get ready for bed (I amE sure there is a more horsy term), but I got to meet all the horses in E the barn, some were nicer than others and one had an attitude.  After F visiting the horse we went backed and laughed some more and then foundE out that the local government was sponsoring a artist's show in which ) Johan's wife was exhibiting the next day.    Saturday October 8th Belgium  E 10 am Johan has arranged a horse and buggy tour of Bruges with Celine C as a tour guide, she looks about 12 but I am sure she is older.  So F Celine and Johan take us on a tour of this wonderful place.  There areE 17 churches in Bruges 16 of them are Catholic one is Protestant. This E is a great way to see the town.  After this we go to the art exhibit. E The pottery is excellent, the designs original with beautiful glazes. = After this we take a ride to the ocean and have lunch.  It is A interesting to note that all the trees tilt.  The country side is D beautiful. This evening we are taking the Michaels out to dinner, weD choose a charming small place where the owner, hostess, and chef areG the same person, more laughing, more Belgian beer, more laughing what a  great night.  ( Sunday October 9th Belgium - Netherlands  D Johan drives Norm and myself to Amsterdam where we can get ready forE the next TUD.  Everyone meets back at the hotel.  We see Guy as he is A checking in, Jim, Doug and Richard are there and Brad McCusker is B meeting us and Gerrit Woertman (Ambassador) is our host. Hopefully> everyone else will also do a trip report because they also didG wonderful things.  Johan shows up later with some dear friends who also A happen to be customers from Belgium.  We all go out to dinner and  re-write the agenda.   Monday October 10th Netherlands   D This TUD is being held in a TV Studio where the Dutch version of BigF Brother is filmed.  Since I have never seen the English version I haveD no idea what that means.  The location is very funky and I think theF TUD is in the Warhol/Picasso room.  There is a separate room set up asG speaker ready (this comes into play later) a small exhibition area with F Integrity Servers, The SRI/Emulators International folks showing a newG product (more on this in a minute),  XUIS and then the Customers, about F 150 customers, some of them have been to the boot camp, many have beenA in previous years all of them wonderful. Imagine my surprise when E sitting in the speaker ready room before the event starts and Richard F Smith from the Alpha group comes in, he is there for a customer visit,G this is very good for the customers. This will be a long day I have the F strategy and directions pitch but at the last minute I ask Jim JanetosB if he will share it with me since he did such a great job in ParisD (much better than me) and he agrees.  At the end of our presentationG Arie DeGroot from Emulators International announces a new product which , is a Alpha emulator for the very old Alpha'sG (arie@emulatorsinternational.com) if you have questions send him email. A All the speakers were great, its funny how proud you can be to be F associated with such smart and wonderful people.  The day ends with anE Engineering panel that goes until 9pm.  We head back to the hotel and G sit in the lobby and chat with each other and few customers until about  midnight fixing the world.    Tuesday October 11th Netherlands  F Second day TUD in the Netherlands.  This day is also an Interrex eventC and the TUD was in conjunction.  The second day covered SAMBA, Rdb, B Cockpit Manager to name a few.  One of the interesting things thatG happen is that Laura Chappell from Protocol Analysis Institute, was one D of the speakers, she speaks about computer security and is very veryG good.  I had told Gerrit that I really wanted to meet her.  And to tell E the truth I wanted to talk/preach to her about VMS, so imagine my joy E to find her in the speaker ready room doing a press interview when we F arrived.  Come to find out she used to be a system mgr on a VMS systemG a long time ago, I went to her session which was very good.  I was able ? to talk her before her session and at lunch and have started to C exchange email with her and if you were at the Tech Forum she was a E speaker there.  Anyway, the TUD ended about 3pm and we headed back to F the hotel, we (Richard, Doug and myself) droped our stuff in our roomsA and took the train downtown. When you travel if things go perfect F nothing is an adventure, on the way downtown something happened eitherF a train broke down or an accident but we had to change trains a coupleE of times, kind of adds a little spark.  Fortunately, many folks speak F English eventually we got there.  Doug had found a flower market whichE I really wanted to see, where folks can buy bulbs.  Amsterdam has all ; these little bridges and cannels and some truly magnificent D architecture.  There was this one building which I thought must haveF been a palace I asked this young lady what is was, she said it used toG be a post office and was now a mall, we walked for some time, this is a @ great place to people watch.  We were starting to get hungry andB surrounded by restaurants but how do you know which is a good one,G which is not, we do not want to go to an American one, we do not want a E tourist trap and I would like Rijsttafel.  So I walk into the nearest E hotel that might have a concierge desk and ask giving our parameters. E Mark the concierge was so kind, he gave us two recommendations and we F choose the Rijsttafel  (Dutch Indonesian at the Sarang Mas, they bringC a variety of tasty things, (unlike anything else) and they had diet F Pepsi (my real favorite) I had 3.  After dinner we really need to walkG some more, its nice to see the lights on the water and so much life all $ around.  The trains have two floors.  ' Wednesday Oct 12th Netherlands - Sweden   G Say goodbye to Jim and Norm they are heading home and we are heading to C Sweden for our last European TUD, Norm has been with the team since E Italy and Jim since France we will miss them in Sweden.  We arrive at C the hotel, after 1 local time and this did used to be a palace.  My G window overlooks a lake and I can hear birds, after being in city areas B for so long this is a real treat. Also staying at the hotel is the Iceland football (soccer team).   F The hotel is in walking distance of the HP office, so we walk over andG meet with Anders Johansson (Ambassador, Engineering) our host and Bjorn D Lannero host and re-write the agenda.  The office building itself isF very modern looking with probably an eight story atrium as you walk inB the main entrance which conference rooms around the outside walls.B Since we are in an HP office this gives us a chance to catch up on email.   Thursday Oct 13 Sweden  A Last year was the first time we had been to Sweden, this year 104 D people registered for the TUD and it looked like most of them showedG up.  Mary Jane Vazquez (VMS Manager for Business Management aka Product E Management) did the strategy and directions presentation, MJ had been @ in Sweden meeting with customers and Partners covering essentialE business needs going forward. One of the different presentations this @ day was one from Intel, at the other locations they were sort ofE product mgt level, this one was marketing and it was good, he did not C pretend to be technical.  Also Andre Devolve from the customer call C center joined us to give an licensing presentation. Philippe Vigier C from Oracle Rdb in Valbonne gives the Rdb presentation.  There were F also several partners including Mimer that had a tables.  This eveningF we go out to dinner in the old part of Stockholm, as a team with BjornC and Anders (I have reindeer and its wonderful), by the way I do not 8 think that salty licorice ice-cream is my kind of thing.   Friday Oct 14 Sweden  E This is it the last day of the European Tour I wonder if folks in the F audience could tell that I was feeling a little blue, all the build upE and excitement of pulling the team together making sure everything is E working.  I know that there is still five to go in Australia and Asia F but this is a big day.  You know when folks say don't take it personalA who they heck are they anyway, it is personal.  All the customers F telling me how they use VMS, how much they appreciate the work that weG do, sometimes they fight their management sometimes they fight ours but  we are all still here.  B It has been a good day, Doug and Richard have had a customer visit? during one of Brad's talks, this customer visit was arranged on G Thursday and is an Alpha to Integrity migration.  Doug and Richard have G made some good recommendations for this customer now its just up to the F customer if they accept the recommendations or not.  Guy and Anders do* the session normally done by Guy and Norm.  F I could not be prouder to be part of this team, we go out for our last dinner.    Saturday Oct 15 Sweden  C Richard has rented a car since he will be going to customer visits. % Anders is our tour guide for the day.   E The biggest thing I wanted to see in Stockholm is the Wasa.  The Wasa G is a recovered ship wreck.  This ship was capsized on her maiden voyage F after traveling about 1000 meters.  Because of the lack of salinity inF the water the worms that normally eat the wood in ship wrecks have notD destroyed the bulk of the wreck. 50 of 53 cannons were removed yearsF ago but 3 are still there.  I was amazed at the size of this wreck, itE was designed as a war ship.  They spent 17 years preserving they ship G which you can smell.  If you ever have a chance to go to Stockholm this  is really worth a visit.  G One of the things I wanted to get for my daughter is a Hard Rock Caf=E9 G t-shirt so we decide to go there for lunch, the building was beautiful. G I have a feeling it was not built as a Hard Rock Caf=E9 since it looked  about 200 years old.  F After lunch we walk around the old town which if very beautiful, thereG is a metal statue of a man about five feet six inches tall and I am sad D to say that there is now a photo of me hugging him and asking why heF never looks at me in the eye any more ;') I have a rule of never goingF into a McDonalds in Europe, but I had to get a water, but I think that a water does not count.   G We have been invited to Anders house for afternoon coffee and cake.  On F the way I stop to pick up some flowers and meet a nice man (Semi) fromG Morocco where I have been so we have a nice conversation in addition to  getting beautiful flowers.  E We go to Anders home and meet his family, his sons (Victor and Oscar) H and his beautiful and charming wife I actually have a caf=E9 au lait andF this deadly chocolate cake.  You know how when you are traveling for aD long time, it is so nice to just be in a home and be normal.  We satG and talked and laughed.  Anders showed us some family pictures and then D we watched part of a movie, like sat on a couch and watched a movie.G It had been weeks since we had done that.  Unfortunately, time had come G to say good-bye we needed to get back to the hotel and pack to go home.    Sunday Oct 16 Sweden - Home    Its time to go home   A For the first time in three weeks I am taking a flight by myself, D Richard is staying on with Anders to visit a customer and then visitC family in the UK, Doug has a flight later on Sunday and flying from E Frankfurt and I am going from Heathrow.  The flight from Stockholm is E about an hour and a half then a 3 hour layover before my flight home. G I spend a lot of time on the flight home thinking about the people have E met on this trip.  Most I will probably never see again but they have C given me a gift of their time and added to my life and personality.   
 Learning's  F You can work with the same people for 3 weeks in close quarters and noF one will have an argument. No matter where you go people are wonderfulE VMS Customers are the best customers in the world There are beautiful E things everywhere The variety in European Plumbing can become a topic = of conversation I can and will forget my hotel room number No E presentation is ever done I know an amazing amount of gifted people I C wish everyone could experience being with so many customers from so  many places    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Oct 2005 16:05:34 -0700 From: bob@jfcl.com& Subject: VAXBI node number plug neededC Message-ID: <1130108734.846825.140080@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   @   I've got a VAX 8350 that I rescued from the scrapper, and I'veB finally managed to get the CPU (yes, only one - the other is still dead) and some memory working.  E   I'm a little stuck now because several of the node number plugs are E missing from the backplane.  Has anybody got any extras they would be  willing to sell ?    Thanks, 
 Bob Armstrong    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.593 ************************