1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 25 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 595       Contents:/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today  Re: HSJ40 advice. ' Intel confirms itanium will be late ... + Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ... + Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ... + Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ... + Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ... + Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ...  Re: LG Printer Advice  Re: LG Printer Advice   Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem  Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem) Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you? @ Re: Porting VAX/VMS to 8086 (Was: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?) Re: SEARCH HTML file Re: SEARCH HTML file Re: SEARCH HTML file Re: SEARCH HTML fileL Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)L Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)P Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (paP Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (paP Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland(part 1) 1)1)! USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 18:42:18 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayB Message-ID: <1130204538.698968.52860@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  @ Not in reply to any one particular post in this thread (I'm just+ jumping in mid-stream to offer my 2 cents):   F Well, my experiences with unions have been totally negative. One unionD negotiated a new contract that lowered wages for starting employees.G One of them was me. Somehow, however, I inadvertently escaped having to 	 pay dues.    In NYC, a union town:   G I ran into a union guy at another job who was somehow proud of the fact 2 that he could do shoddy work and get away with it.  C At another job a 150-Amp fuse in a line leading to one of our UPSes D needed to be changed. By law only a union guy is allowed to do this.A The guy who showed up was a real jerk. He took his sweet time. He E dressed up in lots of protective gear including a face shield. Made a A big, big show of it. What perhaps should have taken a few minutes  instead took hours.   ? Another union guy I ran into was a transit worker demanding job D security. Why should he be guaranteed job security? I don't have anyD such guarantees. (At the time they were threatening a strike. He wasE out on the sidewalk at Grand Central Terminal handing out leaflets to F the public about what they want. The Taylor Law gives HUGE, and I meanD REALLY HUGE, fines to certain public employees who strike, includingE transit workers. Fortunately that time there was no strike. But there < may be noise about one this coming December! Fun, fun, fun.)  D My management told me that it is very hard to get things done in NYC because of the unions.  A Not to say that unions never did any good. But I haven't seen it.   F OTOH, management has its dark side. I've seen news stories on TV aboutC how some hapless workers were literally killed by some fault in the G factory. One picture was of a guy who was flattened, crushed, whatever, G to death after having gotten caught on some weird conveyer belt. In the G picture you could see only half of his body. The other half was smushed C under some big roller or something. The poor guy was crushed alive. F There was no reasonable safety system in place to prevent such things.G Probably "too expensive". I think workers should be protected from such  things, somehow.  G Also, I've read stories about incredibly strict and punitive rules that @ the transit workers (NYC) have to endure. The s*** flies in both directions.   C Someone posted something like "Well, you don't have to work there." > Well, sometimes you don't have much choice depending on marketD conditions. The Great Depression comes to mind. Well, you could alsoC say, "If you don't like the air, you don't have to breathe it". OK, ? that's an extreme analogy, but you get the idea. OK, maybe your F electric utility sucks. One of their power spikes fried your expensiveF stereo equipment. (I know such an individual! And the electric companyE refused to reimburse him for the damage.) Well, you don't HAVE to use 8 their power. Yeah, just move somewhere else! Simple! ;-)  B Someone also mentioned UAW workers averaging $65/hour in wages and@ benefits. I recently read in the newspaper that the wage part isC something like $26 or $27/hour. Someone else also mentioned in this D thread that the true cost of an empolyee is roughly double the wage,E which is consistent with that, though the benefit portion does seem a E bit high. Anyway, there's a big difference between 65 and 27 -- 38 to  be precise (!).   6 Well, there's a good side and bad side to most things.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:39:43 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <435D8CDE.6FA70721@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: >  > [snip]- > What percentage of real pay is strike pay?    / Strike pay > 0 = eligible unemployment benefits    > Do you honestly expect me H > to believe that the unions will pay equivalent salaries for months (orI > in the case of at least one of my father's employers, years) of strike?    Never said that.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:58:03 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <435D912B.C3C10D0D@comcast.net>    BRAD wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote: L > > Does no one believe in standing up for principle anymore? Do we *REALLY*D > > want to let management believe that labor is their dormat, to beG > > (ab)used as they see fit? Have the words "honor" and "dignity" been ! > > expunged from the dictionary?  > A > Remember - in the ultimate irony - Ronald Reagan, friend of the E > lunchpail Democrat, singlehandedly busted that nasty ATC union, and + > forever changed the political landscape.    B What he did was criminally endanger the flying public. If that hadH happened post 9/11, he'd probably have been impeached and then indicted.   > Now, unions are seen as A > arrogant, greedy, rapacious organizations, while businesses are 6 > enlightened, generous friends of the working person.  G ...or, at least, such is the view of the "Me First" and "Where's mine?"  generations.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:49:14 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today) Message-ID: <K2h7f.3436$HW5.708@trnddc04>    BRAD wrote:  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > K >> Does no one believe in standing up for principle anymore? Do we *REALLY* C >> want to let management believe that labor is their dormat, to be F >> (ab)used as they see fit? Have the words "honor" and "dignity" been  >> expunged from the dictionary? >  > B > Remember - in the ultimate irony - Ronald Reagan, friend of the F > lunchpail Democrat, singlehandedly busted that nasty ATC union, and D > forever changed the political landscape.  Now, unions are seen as B > arrogant, greedy, rapacious organizations, while businesses are 6 > enlightened, generous friends of the working person. >  > :-)   : Ironically, PATCO endorsed him in the 1980 election, IIRC.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:11:14 -0500 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M)  Subject: Re: HSJ40 advice.1 Message-ID: <05102414111443@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   I > Are these disks still addressed as, say port 1 id's 0-2 and port 2 id's 3 > 0-2, or, port 1 id's 0-2 and and port 2 id's 3-5?   
 I think...  ; [DISK250] [DISK140] [DISK230] [DISK120] [DISK210] [DISK100] ; [DISK450] [DISK340] [DISK430] [DISK320] [DISK410] [DISK300] ; [DISK650] [DISK540] [DISK630] [DISK520] [DISK610] [DISK500]   @ Use the LOCATE command from the HSG80 console prompt to confirm. For example:   hsg80> LOCATE DISK210   # The disk will flash when initiated.    To cancel the request:   hsg80> LOCATE CANCEL       John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 18:46:19 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 0 Subject: Intel confirms itanium will be late ...C Message-ID: <1130204779.526281.302880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27190    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:37:02 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) 4 Subject: Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ...7 Message-ID: <iTg7f.19908$Bf7.8287@tornado.texas.rr.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:+ : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27190  :   A   http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/24/technology/intel.reut/index.htm ;   Intel delays next version of Itanium chip - Oct. 24, 2005    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:54:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ..., Message-ID: <435D9E57.B20244DC@teksavvy.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27190   D 6 months delay is not abnormal in the industry.  EV7 was what, years late ?  F If the dual core 8086 is also delayed 6 months, then it doesn't changeF the performance comparison. But if the 8086 comes out on-time, it will put IA64 at a disadvantage.   ? For the 8086, Intel tends to put any/all resources available to F reduce/eliminate any delays. Why ? because there is strong competitionF against AMD.  But IA64 isn't critical and a 6 month delay won't change much to the chip's fortunes.    G And these innocuous delays will add up. Before long, IA64's performance E edge on the 8086 will have narrowed to a point where paying a premium 9 for the proprietary niche market IA64 won't be worth it.    $ Something else which is interesting.  G If Intel started dual core projects for IA64 and 8086 at the same time, ? and the 8086 came out first, it says a lot about the respective 4 abilities of IA64 and 8086 to move quickly forwards.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:18:39 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>4 Subject: Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ...( Message-ID: <435DA40F.CAE6A164@mist.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > > - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27190  > F > 6 months delay is not abnormal in the industry.  EV7 was what, years > late ? > H > If the dual core 8086 is also delayed 6 months, then it doesn't changeH > the performance comparison. But if the 8086 comes out on-time, it will > put IA64 at a disadvantage.  >   < Do you mean the dual-core P4-D?  I already purchased on from HP. : But it turned out to be a dog so I took it back.  Waste of) good sand when they marry it with XP tho.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:51:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ..., Message-ID: <435DAB97.59E6EF10@teksavvy.com>   GreyCloud wrote:> > Do you mean the dual-core P4-D?  I already purchased on from > HP. < > But it turned out to be a dog so I took it back.  Waste of+ > good sand when they marry it with XP tho.     F Imagine the marketing potential if VMS ran on the 8086 and had supportH for dual core before Windows. VMS marketing could really takle advantage6 of this and arrange to be seen to be AHEAD OF WINDOWS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:26:16 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: Re: Intel confirms itanium will be late ...= Message-ID: <Zr-dnbRmj5RkXMDeRVn-jQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > + >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27190  >  > 1 > 6 months delay is not abnormal in the industry.   E You need to read more carefully.  What will be 6+ months late is not  C what was supposed to ship before the end of this year (originally,  H before now, so the cumulative slip is more like a full year) but only a H rather pale imitation of it:  1.6 GHz rather than 2 GHz, with no Foxton E technology to provide up to 10% boosts in clock rate when it can get  
 away with it.   G In other words, it's not only 6+ months later than the already-slipped  H target date but when if finally does appear it will have only 73% - 80% E (max) of the originally-expected per-core performance, so aside from  G taking a very major bite out of the 'smoking brick of death' character  F that Itanic has suffered from since Day 1 (and thus allowing a second H core to function on the chip) Montecito won't provide noticeably better G single-thread performance than what you get with Madison today (though  F its primitive SMT facilities may give it some boost in multi-threaded  environments).  F And for icing on the cake, you get to wait until 2007 before anything G approaching what Montecito was *supposed* to be gets out the door, and  ? until 2008 before a successor (Tukwila) is scheduled to appear.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 16:22:16 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: LG Printer Advice3 Message-ID: <t4znb5coCSOs@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <nv77f.12243$xk2.8551@fe06.lga>, "Dan Moore" <dmoore@sosu.edu> writes:  > Greetings, > L >      I recently received a notice from HP that our remaining LGXX (serial J > impact) printers will be end-of-life soon. We have already replaced our J > smaller printers (LAXX, e.g.) with laser printers, but I'm wondering if K > anyone has advice for dealing with the higher capacity printers yet.  We  N > have three left (LG02, LG05, LG15 plus), and I'm considering high end laser K > printers as a replacement. Another option is to find a different support  ' > channel for our existing LG printers.  > 9 >    Any thoughts, ideas, or experiences are appreciated.   ?    Find out what you're paying for paper before you sign up for -    another 132 column perforated-edge format.   H    My LG08 finally died this year, probably a simple fix, but I couldn'tF    justify spending a penny on it due to the cost of paper to feed it.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2005 21:37:38 GMT! From: Doc <doc@openvms-rocks.com>  Subject: Re: LG Printer Advice@ Message-ID: <Xns96F9F05BF5E91docopenvmsrockscom@212.100.160.126>  > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in, news:t4znb5coCSOs@eisner.encompasserve.org:   A >    Find out what you're paying for paper before you sign up for / >    another 132 column perforated-edge format.  > A >    My LG08 finally died this year, probably a simple fix, but I H >    couldn't justify spending a penny on it due to the cost of paper to >    feed it.   J You're not the first person I've seen mention extortionate prices on good-I old music score printout paper.  I know it is a lot better than printing  J listings and the like on lasered A4, so can someone tell me why the paper  costs so much?     Doc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:16:14 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 1 Message-ID: <djk13p$o1g$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   
 Hi Briggs,  4 So how would the compiler handle a situation like: -  2 move sub_rtn_array (user_option) to my_identifier.$ call my_identifier using some_stuff.   Regards Richard Maher   + <briggs@encompasserve.org> wrote in message - news:Xeexgtk9kYXy@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > In article <djhhj7$7ap$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" % <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes: 
 > > Hi Larry,  > > J > >> So this was fundamentally something that would be corrected by a more > >> strongly typed language.  > > E > > The flight-simulator usually picks up a lot of 'em as well :-) As 	 someone's L > > posting tag at DEC once read "Week-typing is for Strong stomachs!". Make > > mine a Prawn Phal! > >  > >>* > >> Ada package LIB defines LIB$WAIT with > >> > >> SECONDS : in FLOAT  > >>< > >> Pascal module PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES defines LIB$WAIT with > >> > >> seconds : SINGLE  > > L > > Good to see they're kept up to date with new VMS functionality then. (or did / > > you just not include the other parameters?)  > > J > > BTW. What happens in ADA, Pascal etc if a routine wants an argument BYI > > DESCRIPTOR but you'd like to build your own descriptor and pass it by C > > reference? (You have a User Defined Datatype of  "Descriptor" I 	 suppose?) G > > And if you dynamiccaly allocate memory it's how you MAP it I guess? 4 > > Procedure calling standard Arg-Lists on the fly? > B > One would typically do it statically.  Define two interfaces to,C > for instance, LIB$PUT_OUTPUT, one using a string parameter passed ? > by descriptor and one using a descriptor passed by reference.  > F > Building a descriptor is straightforward.  You could build it out ofG > ordinary storage on the stack or you could allocate it from the heap.  > , > status = my.LIB$PUT_OUTPUT ( "hi there" ); > ... ? >        status = my.LIB$PUT_OUTPUT ( some_string_descriptor );  > ? > The compiler can disambiguate this "overloaded" definition of @ > LIB$PUT_OUTPUT by looking at the data type of the parameter(s)D > and of the function result and matching it up with a corresponding? > interface definition.  So if you've defined LIB$PUT_OUTPUT in @ > package "my" as taking a string and returning a condition codeC > then the first reference will use that definition.  And if you've @ > also defined LIB$PUT_OUTPUT in package "my" as taking a stringE > descriptor and returning a condition code then the second reference # > will use that definition instead.  > F > If the overloading resolution cannot be made statically the compilerC > will complain and you may have to use explicit type casts to nail E > things down so that exactly one overloaded subroutine profile fits.  > C > Typically this becomes an issue with literals and nested function G > calls where the data type of the literal or of the function result is ! > not always statically knowable.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:32:01 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 1 Message-ID: <djk21d$p7u$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi John,  J COBOL (and I'm sure all other compilers) also lets you stick BY DESCRIPTOR9 infront of most things to build a descriptor for you e.g.   ' call "fred" using by descriptor "Hello" 5 call "jack" using by descriptor my_arrary(element_no)  (1:dynamic_runtime_len)   H But what you're telling us is that never in your 40 years of tending theA frogs at the "Local Shop" for "Pascal people" have you ever had a  requirement to: -    01  buff_desc.,       03  buff_len            pic 9(9) comp.2       03  buff_addr                       pointer.  * move runtime_determined_value to buff_len.G call "lib$get_vm" using buff_len, buff_addr, omitted giving sys_status.   9 call "desc_wanting_service" using BY REFERENCE buff_desc.   K I find this sort of functionality all very useful but maybe that's just me?    *AND* then there's the lovely:-    ADD ws_offset TO buff_addr   not to mention: -    SET buff_addr TO new_location    Regards Richard Maher    PS. We'll have no trouble here!   3 "John Reagan" <john.reagan@hp.com> wrote in message . news:XY57f.15184$6v1.12629@news.cpqcorp.net... > Richard Maher wrote: > J > > BTW. What happens in ADA, Pascal etc if a routine wants an argument BYI > > DESCRIPTOR but you'd like to build your own descriptor and pass it by C > > reference? (You have a User Defined Datatype of  "Descriptor" I 	 suppose?) G > > And if you dynamiccaly allocate memory it's how you MAP it I guess? 4 > > Procedure calling standard Arg-Lists on the fly? > >  > J > The Ada and Pascal compilers know how to automagically build descriptorsJ > for string arguments.  Pascal also has foreign mechanism specifiers likeI > %DESCR and %STDESCR that you can place in front of any actual parameter I > and the compiler will try to build the descriptor for you.  In 25 years G > of programming with VAX/DEC/Compaq/HP Pascal, I've built a descriptor A > "by hand" once (and that for a test in the Pascal test system).  >  >  > --  
 > John Reagan 1 > HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  > Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:42:37 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 1 Message-ID: <djk2l7$q2q$1@news-02.connect.com.au>   	 Hi Larry,   G > I use older compilers so LJK/Security can run on VMS versions back to  V4.2. L > It would not do to depend on a parameter that has no effect on some of the2 > VMS versions on which the software will be used.  K Fair enough. But it did have just a little bit to do with what everyone was  talking about.  F > There are escapes for that, but there is typically no reason to ever! > construct a descriptor by hand.   I Yep, there is no requirement 'cos if there was we'd have to acknowledge a L deficiency, and there is just no way our bigotry will allow us to do that. IK personally like to be a little bit more open-minded. Just because something J (say null-terminated strings :-) is of no use to me, doesn't mean it's not the mut's nuts to someone else.   G > > And if you dynamiccaly allocate memory it's how you MAP it I guess?  >  > I don't understand that part.   L You grab a couple of pages of memory and you want to point a descriptor into( it, to pass to a routine. Inconceivable?  C > The standard argument lists for each routine are specified in the 2 > definition of the package (for LIB$, STR$, etc.)  I Please post the arg_list for LIB$CALLG, SYS$CMEXEC and SYS$CMKRNL (not to J mention all of the SYS$GETxxx services) I can't wait to see how Pascal/ADA trap these bugs. Sounds Great!   Regards Richard Maher   : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:Pbz4qZphhsjB@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > In article <djhhj7$7ap$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" % <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  > * > >> Ada package LIB defines LIB$WAIT with > >> > >> SECONDS : in FLOAT  > >>< > >> Pascal module PASCAL$LIB_ROUTINES defines LIB$WAIT with > >> > >> seconds : SINGLE  > > L > > Good to see they're kept up to date with new VMS functionality then. (or did / > > you just not include the other parameters?)  > G > I use older compilers so LJK/Security can run on VMS versions back to  V4.2. L > It would not do to depend on a parameter that has no effect on some of the2 > VMS versions on which the software will be used. > J > > BTW. What happens in ADA, Pascal etc if a routine wants an argument BYI > > DESCRIPTOR but you'd like to build your own descriptor and pass it by C > > reference? (You have a User Defined Datatype of  "Descriptor" I 	 suppose?)  > F > There are escapes for that, but there is typically no reason to ever- > construct a descriptor by hand.  One codes:  > $ > XT.XtMenuPopup ( "my Menu name" ); > 9 > Construction of descriptors is handled by the compiler.  > G > > And if you dynamiccaly allocate memory it's how you MAP it I guess?  >  > I don't understand that part.  > 4 > > Procedure calling standard Arg-Lists on the fly? > C > The standard argument lists for each routine are specified in the 2 > definition of the package (for LIB$, STR$, etc.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:39:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem , Message-ID: <435D9AB7.A0F1D607@teksavvy.com>   Richard Maher wrote:) > call "fred" using by descriptor "Hello" 7 > call "jack" using by descriptor my_arrary(element_no)   G Yeah, I had noticed that in cobol a millenia ago when I last toyed with  Cobol. Question though:      05  cake-flavour	pic X(35).  ....  ! MOVE "Chocolate" to cake-flavour. 2 CALL "bake-cake" using by descriptor cake-flavour.  = Is it correct to think that "bake-cake" will be told that the E dsc$w_length will be 35 and will be given chocolate with padding with  blanks to fill 35 bytes ?    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 22:12:28 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 3 Message-ID: <xlTkK165ykSM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <djk21d$p7u$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   J > But what you're telling us is that never in your 40 years of tending theC > frogs at the "Local Shop" for "Pascal people" have you ever had a  > requirement to: -  >  > 01  buff_desc.. >       03  buff_len            pic 9(9) comp.4 >       03  buff_addr                       pointer. > , > move runtime_determined_value to buff_len.I > call "lib$get_vm" using buff_len, buff_addr, omitted giving sys_status.  > ; > call "desc_wanting_service" using BY REFERENCE buff_desc.  > M > I find this sort of functionality all very useful but maybe that's just me?   < Variable length strings are handled automatically in Pascal,9 and since the compiler is doing the work, it knows how to  construct a descriptor.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 22:16:02 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 3 Message-ID: <dWt4jwp0N67$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <djk21d$p7u$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   ! > *AND* then there's the lovely:-  >  > ADD ws_offset TO buff_addr  F That would be pointer arithmetic -- the #1 downfall of C and something to be avoided at all cost.  A If I wanted the fourth through last characters of a string in Ada  I would use:  F 	lib.whatever ( my_string ( my_string'first + 3 .. my_string'last ) );  B If I wanted to do it in Pascal I would have to look in the manual,B but that is just me.  Certainly Pascal supports substrings without doing pointer arithmetic.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 22:18:11 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 3 Message-ID: <xFci1C5idoEy@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <djk2l7$q2q$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:   G >> There are escapes for that, but there is typically no reason to ever " >> construct a descriptor by hand. > K > Yep, there is no requirement 'cos if there was we'd have to acknowledge a N > deficiency, and there is just no way our bigotry will allow us to do that. IM > personally like to be a little bit more open-minded. Just because something L > (say null-terminated strings :-) is of no use to me, doesn't mean it's not! > the mut's nuts to someone else.   C The point is that the "someone else" is not someone who believes in % strongly typed programming languages.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 19:14:55 -05004 From: kuhrt.nospammy@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)2 Subject: Re: OT: Is your HP printer spying on you?3 Message-ID: <2A9eW5uAjOSz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <Ktf6f.1844$S24.130330@news.xtra.co.nz>, "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com> writes:6 > "Dave Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message, > news:11ldj3eh9ao6l2d@corp.supernews.com... > D >> I'm also thinking about some of the court decisions RIAA has been >> getting.  > > > You know, it's a bit curious how posters from the US presume> > that all the rest of the world knows what the acronims mean.  ? Whereas posters from elsewhere always define all their acronyms A and use precise English.  Unless, of course, by your usage of the > acronym "US" you meant something other than the United States.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:07:44 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>I Subject: Re: Porting VAX/VMS to 8086 (Was: Re: Porting VMS back to VAX ?) 3 Message-ID: <4ia7f.15245$KS6.7012@news.cpqcorp.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:   > D > Ok, now that the secret is out, I will tell the world that John isC > spending his time there when he should be getting his exercise by C > going out and contra-dancing, at which time he could get involved A > in the politics of all the suburban outside agitators trying to C > keep the City of Cambridge from turning the sprung dance floor at ! > the VFW post into office space.   D Guilty as charged.  I have done some ECD (English Country Dance for I those of you keeping score at home) up in Concord NH and the Scout House  < in Concord MA but I haven't been to the VFW for a while now.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:52:40 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: SEARCH HTML file 4 Message-ID: <Y3a7f.15240$NR1.12883@news.cpqcorp.net>  I if changing attributes won't work and you have mozilla on your system you " can 'edit' the page in mozilla andL then save it. Mozilla will attempt to format out the html and format it up a bit.   -warren   K I have to say that this is one thing that dreamweaver does very well (along  with other html editors.H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:tFFTWWP+6U+N@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <opsy1vdpgczgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: L > > Many HTML files have no carriage returns so they appear to VMS as a file > > withL > > a record length greater than 32768, which causes SEARCH to give up, e.g. > J >    Actually, they probably do have some sort of end-of-line marker.  YouD >    just need to tell RMS what, since it has been told incorrectly. >  >       "set file/attributes"  >  >    is your friend. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:55:54 GMT , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: SEARCH HTML file 4 Message-ID: <_6a7f.15242$aP1.15027@news.cpqcorp.net>  I also for 'search' of one of these html files the problem is that what you  are looking J for is on the 'one' line in the file then it all gets dumped out anyway so you unless youL are looking for the presence of something or not search doesn't do you a lot of good.  I Again any browser 'view source' is able to search and most will re-format 
 the source or @ at least jump to where whatever you are searching for is located  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:tFFTWWP+6U+N@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <opsy1vdpgczgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: L > > Many HTML files have no carriage returns so they appear to VMS as a file > > withL > > a record length greater than 32768, which causes SEARCH to give up, e.g. > J >    Actually, they probably do have some sort of end-of-line marker.  YouD >    just need to tell RMS what, since it has been told incorrectly. >  >       "set file/attributes"  >  >    is your friend. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:00:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: SEARCH HTML file , Message-ID: <435D4B66.4C2DEE27@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: >       "set file/attributes"  >  >    is your friend.    8 We shouldn't need to modify a file to search or type it.  F If RMS can't be made to handle "undefined" record formats, then SEARCHE and TYPE should be modified to read the lowest of bufquo or 32k bytes C and read the reast of the "record" in a separate read. This way one & could still search weird file formats.  G A number of years ago, I was tasked with finding out if a certain SWIFT > transaction had in fact arrived. (sender had confirmation thatD transaction had been sent, but recipient didn't have the money). TheF folks with access to the application didn't find the transaction. So IF used SEARCH in a batch job at very low priority to search the huge log files.    A When the job completed, I typed the log file and it contained the D unfortunate "record too long" message after the intial batch job logH lines. So I initially told them that search (which had taken a long time to run (hours) had failed.  F Turns out that the log file did contain the search results, but it wasG the TYPE command that failed to display the search results. I used DUMP  and found the information.  H (The person who hadn't received her money was working next to me :-) andF gave her the relevant information. She was then able to give the SWIFTC people enough information for them to find the transaction with the F application and realise that the money had been deposited in the wrong
 bank acocunt.     E That was back in the 5.5-2 days. (so no set file/attrib). Never quite C understood why SEARCH worked but TYPE woudl fail to display the log  file.   F Perhaps the limitation is really with the terminal driver and not with
 the utility ?    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 16:19:03 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SEARCH HTML file 3 Message-ID: <asuL50KX8BgP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <435D4B66.4C2DEE27@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >>       "set file/attributes" >>   >>    is your friend.  >  > : > We shouldn't need to modify a file to search or type it.  D    When you lie to VMS about what's in a file, VMS should do as it'sD    designed to do, not run around making guesses about what's really    going on.  H    You want an OS that makes psuedo-random guesses, then get MS Windows,F    fire up Explorer, and try to download a simple flat file containing    a DCL script.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 16:24:00 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) U Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) 3 Message-ID: <ePZPiMWUWm1q@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <1130169836.204892.211600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, susan_skonetski@hotmail.com writes: C > and India you forgot India, which I am really looking forward to.  >  > Whats a drop bear?  #    Distant relative of a Jackalope.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2005 15:43:11 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com U Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) C Message-ID: <1130193791.350937.184000@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E I am asking Ken if he will post some of the pictures to go along with = the trip report on openvms.org will let you know what he says    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:20:02 -0700 4 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>Y Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (pa % Message-ID: <1130195838.223573@smirk>   " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote:C > and India you forgot India, which I am really looking forward to.  >  > Whats a drop bear? >  > Sue   1 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3695/db.htm   5 The Australian government is trying to cover up their 4 existence, to avoid scaring tourists away.   But you1 know that your friends would not lead you astray.    Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 04:01:54 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>Y Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) (pa ) Message-ID: <S6i7f.3451$HW5.963@trnddc04>    Alan Frisbie wrote: $ > susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > D >> and India you forgot India, which I am really looking forward to. >> >> Whats a drop bear?  >> >> Sue >  > 3 > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/3695/db.htm  > 7 > The Australian government is trying to cover up their 6 > existence, to avoid scaring tourists away.   But you3 > know that your friends would not lead you astray.  >  > Alan  E Geez!  That's all Aussie needs...  Sharks, sea snakes (related to the A cobra, but venom 100 times as potent), scorpion fish, stone fish, C crocodiles, the 10 most poisonous snakes in the world (according to D Animal Planet, but they may have been bragging), spiders the size ofE dinner plates (according to my brother who trapped one under a coffee A can - all its legs were sticking out in various directions), many F smaller but much more poisonous spiders, tasmanian devils, the world's9 only poisonous mammal (the platypus), and now Drop Bears!   A What's next, a raptor the size of an F14?  Exploding butterflies?   D My little brother is en route to Massachusetts with his family for aA long visit.  Left Hobart this morning.  I may need to steal their < return tickets.  All we have is blizzards and hurricanes and% Karl Rove...  Hmm - maybe we're even.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:12:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland(part 1) 1)1) , Message-ID: <435DB076.A12AD02E@teksavvy.com>   John Santos wrote:C > What's next, a raptor the size of an F14?  Exploding butterflies?     K You have forgotten Australia's most potent biological weapon: the BUSH FLY.   D Dropped onto a city like new York, it could paralyse world financialH centre, make all new yorkers go bonkers, lacking courage to step outsideC of their home, keeping all windows sealed at all times. The economy @ would falter once people stop stepping out of their residences.   D New Yorkers would have to hire aborigines from australia to do their9 shopping and bring food into their homes from the stores.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:24:44 -0500 + From: "B. Manwaring" <manwarin@indiana.edu> * Subject: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms3 Message-ID: <djjmvc$rkj$1@rainier.uits.indiana.edu>   G Apologies to all you pros; I'm a relative greenhorn. Got several DS10s  I running 7.3 and they have USB plugs; can I format a memory stick and use  H it somehow, or take a VMS IDE drive with a USB interface and copy files  back and forth?   
 regards, Bill    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.595 ************************