1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 26 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 598       Contents:3 Corrupted MAIL.MAI; recover using MAIL$*.MAI files? ) Re: Getting W2K running services from VMS ) Re: Getting W2K running services from VMS ) Re: Getting W2K running services from VMS  HELP:  TPU editor and the Mouse # Re: HELP:  TPU editor and the Mouse " Re: HELP: TPU editor and the Mouse" Re: HELP: TPU editor and the Mouse/ Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today 0 Re: Is anyone porting openoffice to OpenVMS yet?/ Mozilla: everything works except typing in URLs  Re: NCR 53C810 on DS10L  Re: SEARCH HTML file Re: SEARCH HTML file Re: System disk booting problem  Re: System disk booting problem L Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)C Re: There are none so blind (Was: Re: updated VMS Information (sent C Re: There are none so blind (Was: Re: updated VMS Information (sent C Re: There are none so blind (Was: Re: updated VMS Information (sent % Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms % Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms  Webmail running on VAMP   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:37:51 +0000 (UTC) = From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) < Subject: Corrupted MAIL.MAI; recover using MAIL$*.MAI files?. Message-ID: <djntav$1hrk$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>  M Yes, it had to happen to somebody who still has email saved from more than 20 ! years ago still squirrelled away.   N A MAIL.MAI file in a separate directory (actually SYS$LOGIN:[.DLT_MAIL]DLT.MAI has become corrupted.    $ show log dltD    "DLT" = "LCS$STAFF:[LCS.JLW.DLT_MAIL]DLT.MAI" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $ PMDF/MAIL  ...  EMAIL> set file dlt  EMAIL> dir/folder 9 Listing of folders in LCS$STAFF:[LCS.JLW.DLT_MAIL]DLT.MAI #      Press CTRL/C to cancel listing / ACCESS                                  ACROBAT 6 ADMIN                                   AUTHORIZATIONS5 BENEFITS                                BENEFITS.MPDP 2 CAC                                     CACERT.ORG, CONFERENCES                             CURL2 DELL                                    DELL.WIN2KB %MAIL-E-READERR, error reading LCS$STAFF:[LCS.JLW.DLT_MAIL]DLT.MAI5 -RMS-F-CHK, bucket format check failed for VBN = 2922  EMAIL>  J There were probably 75 folders in this mail file, and 98%+ of the messagesN saved in these folders exist as separate files of the MAIL$*.MAI variety (2147	 of them).   L Does anybody have, or can anybody recommend, a tool that could recover theseL MAIL$*.MAI files into a replacement for my corrupted DLT.MAI file?  That is,N create a NEW MAIL.MAI file in that [.DLT_MAIL] directory, with a single folderN MAIL (or some other such name, I don't care), with the messages in that folderI being the appropriate linking records for all the MAIL$*.MAI files in the 
 directory?  C I could then slowly plow thru the reconstructed folder and move the   messages to appropriate folders.  G Better yet, of course, is a way to recover the corrupted file.  But I'm E not familiar with the level of impact the bucket format check failure 3 might have, so I don't hold a lot of hope for that.   I Time is of the essense as the powers-that-be plan to shut down VMS by the H end of December.  By then I need to migrate this all from VMS Mail Store' under PMDF to PMDF MsgStore on Solaris.   P +----"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+B | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")		InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu < | Systems Design Specialist - Lead	AT&T:      (814) 865-18189 | Digital Library Technologies		FAX:       (814) 863-3560 2 | 3 Paterno Library				"I'd rather be dancing..." B | Penn State University		    A host is a host from coast to coast,K | University Park, PA 16802	    And no one will talk to a host that's close C | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>	    Unless the host that isn't close : | EMail Professional since 1978	    Is busy, hung or dead.P +---------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+9                 [apologies to DeForest Kelley, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a> --	/"\ 	\ /	ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN 	 X	AGAINST HTML MAIL  	/ \   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 07:57:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Getting W2K running services from VMS3 Message-ID: <81ZK7FQbRygd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <1130293071.469165.98720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, contracer11@gmail.com writes:	 > Hi all:  > E > Is there any way to issue a command from VMS system to a W2K or WNT 6 > machine to see all services running in this system ?  D    Yes.  You have to write your own server on the Windows system and    start it during boot.  E    Or you might simply run a port sniffer, if that's all the info you E    need.  In that case, you'll have to find or port a port sniffer to     VMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2005 13:55:48 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)2 Subject: Re: Getting W2K running services from VMS+ Message-ID: <3s9g74FloqltU1@individual.net>   3 In article <81ZK7FQbRygd@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:b > In article <1130293071.469165.98720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, contracer11@gmail.com writes:
 >> Hi all: >>  F >> Is there any way to issue a command from VMS system to a W2K or WNT7 >> machine to see all services running in this system ?  > F >    Yes.  You have to write your own server on the Windows system and >    start it during boot. > G >    Or you might simply run a port sniffer, if that's all the info you G >    need.  In that case, you'll have to find or port a port sniffer to 	 >    VMS.   D Not all WNT/W2K services open a TCPIP port.  How is a sniffer on the VMS machine going to see them?   bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 11:51:11 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Getting W2K running services from VMS3 Message-ID: <PW0KcINB3Gsk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3s9g74FloqltU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > F > Not all WNT/W2K services open a TCPIP port.  How is a sniffer on the  > VMS machine going to see them?  E    I was trying to highlight the imprecision of the original request.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 08:26:49 -0700* From: "Steve Kulpa" <stevekulpa@yahoo.com>( Subject: HELP:  TPU editor and the MouseC Message-ID: <1130340409.287925.103380@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   
 Greetings,B I recently started a new job where they use DEC VT320e on my PC toD connect to a VMS Alpha.  Being an 'old fart' VMS programmer from wayC back, I hauled out my old tape and loaded up my very-customized TPU G editor.  Since the last time I used this was on a real VT terminal, I'm E not used to running it from a PC.  While in the editor, when I try to E cut/paste using the mouse, I get TPU errors saying M1DOWN and M1UP is E not defined.  I modified my TPU init file to undefine these keys, and A also tried the SET (MOUSE,OFF) command.  Neither of which helped.   G I'd really like to cut and paste from within my editor but can't figure , out how to make TPU ignore the mouse clicks.  - Any suggestions would be greatly appreicated.    Thanks,  steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:36:54 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>, Subject: Re: HELP:  TPU editor and the Mouse+ Message-ID: <3s9m4nFmimksU1@individual.net>    Steve Kulpa wrote: > Greetings,D > I recently started a new job where they use DEC VT320e on my PC toF > connect to a VMS Alpha.  Being an 'old fart' VMS programmer from wayE > back, I hauled out my old tape and loaded up my very-customized TPU I > editor.  Since the last time I used this was on a real VT terminal, I'm G > not used to running it from a PC.  While in the editor, when I try to G > cut/paste using the mouse, I get TPU errors saying M1DOWN and M1UP is G > not defined.  I modified my TPU init file to undefine these keys, and C > also tried the SET (MOUSE,OFF) command.  Neither of which helped.  > I > I'd really like to cut and paste from within my editor but can't figure . > out how to make TPU ignore the mouse clicks. > / > Any suggestions would be greatly appreicated.  >   $ The solution that worked for me was:  E Put the following in your EVEINI.EVE - create it if it doesn't exist.   ? ! file: EVEINI.EVE      (initialize EVE; logical name EVE$INIT)  !       ========== !  tpu set (mouse,off)   1 If you don't have an EVEINI.EVE already, also put   4         define  eve$init        sys$login:eveini.eve   into your login.com    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 08:46:28 -0700* From: "Steve Kulpa" <stevekulpa@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Re: HELP: TPU editor and the Mouse B Message-ID: <1130341588.699267.29640@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  F But, I already have an INI file, TPUINI.TPU, which I build into my own2 section file and then invoke the editor like this:  < TPU == "EDIT/TPU/SECTION=DIV:[STEVEK.EDITORS]SK.TPU$SECTION"  C And I do have SET (MOUSE,OFF) in my INI file but I still have mouse A problems.  I changed it to TPU SET (MOUSE,OFF)  and got an error.   7 It's been WAY too long since I've messed w/ this stuff.    thanks,  steve    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 08:48:25 -0700* From: "Steve Kulpa" <stevekulpa@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Re: HELP: TPU editor and the Mouse A Message-ID: <1130341705.149841.5260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   E Hold the phone - I put the SET (MOUSE,OFF) in the wrong place.  Moved 1 it to my LOCAL_INIT procedure and it worked fine.     " thanks all, and 'never mind'   :-)   steve    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 07:53:41 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today3 Message-ID: <QWJcc69+aX8d@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <1130274512.559218.42520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:  > H > OK. But does it have to be a UNION electrician? Are there no qualified > NON-union electricians?   C    Generally the unions have the organization in place for a layman *    to learn the trade and get the license.  @    Generally unions will have in thier contracts that only union    workers will be used.  H    And generally all the electricians are in the union.  So if you don'tB    sign a contract with the union, you can't get any electricians.  F    But if you can find a licensed non-union electician and are working-    in a non-union shop, then yes, it's legal.   E    Large commercial shops doing their own in-house work (like a large E    factory employing its own electricians) are the exception that can B    sometimes be found.  They will hire layman and put them throughD    the required trianing, but those electricians may have difficulty>    finding work if the shop closes, until they join the union.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:02:37 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) 8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today7 Message-ID: <xMN7f.23679$5e4.5493@tornado.texas.rr.com>   " Doc (doc@openvms-rocks.com) wrote: : I : Incidentally, the trend is towards a smaller percentage having more of  K : the capital.  I don't have a source to back this up, just a comment from  6 : a friend that the figure is now something like 5:90. :   J These articles doesn't include that ratio, but does document that the rich are getting richer, etc.:   1   http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1003-21.htm *   Growing Gulf Between Rich and Rest of US  M   http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_econindicators_income20050831 !   Income Picture: August 31, 2005   J   "...The unbalanced nature of the economic recovery is also documented inG    the latest Census release.  While the share of total national income I    flowing to the bottom 60% of households was essentially unchanged, the H    share going to the top 5% was up 0.4 percentage points, from 21.4% to    21.8%..."     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:20:55 +0200 < From: "Ton van der Zwet" <ton.vanderzwet@oooovms.dyndns.org>9 Subject: Re: Is anyone porting openoffice to OpenVMS yet? = Message-ID: <435f2e65$0$776$3a628fcd@reader20.nntp.hccnet.nl>    Bob,  I OpenOffice is a mayor project and needs a lot of resources to port. We, a L very small group of people, are doing the very best to get things moving. AsL you can see on our website http://www.oooovms.dyndns.org, also linked to theL overall communitywebsite http://www.openoffice.org via the projects /portingH tab, we are still alive and kicking. With the help of (a lot of) friendsL (you maybe?) we hope to present on the next annual openoffice.org conference
 some results. L Basicly all skills are needed. Technical and non technical. To give you some  idea of the size of the project:E - some 296 filetypes are in the bare source tree (everything counted) J - more than 9.000.000 lines of source code in the mayor languages (c++, c, java) K Indirect you can help by improving the unix portability features. We depend H on good, stable, current version of gnv tooling to keep up with the very9 fast moving OpenOffice development (every two weeks a new  milestone/release!!). Or you can coordinate (a part of) the project.  : Enough work to do on those long, dark winter evenings! ;-)   By the way, we are hobbyists...    Ton van der Zwet, 1 member of the OpenOffice on OpenVMS porting team. - ps. oooovms stands for OpenOffice On Openvms. K pps. we have alse a supporting website with a bulletinboard for (technical) @ discussions related to porting http://www.4ovms.dyndns.org/phpbb    ( <bob@instantwhip.com> schreef in bericht= news:1130160898.844466.148070@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... : > I just emailed the group who has this and they said they< > get requests for this but noone has really stepped forward/ > to work on the port for vms ... is this true?  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:40:00 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)8 Subject: Mozilla: everything works except typing in URLs$ Message-ID: <dj57q0$4kh$5@online.de>  E Sorry if you've seen this before, but I had to post it separately to  " Mozilla groups and to comp.os.vms:  ;    441 437 hierarchy violation - crosspost outside netscape   E I've encountered a strange problem with Mozilla in VMS.  I can access G pages through links, through bookmarks or through the pull-down list of G recently visited sites.  However, when typing in a URL directly (in the @ same window where the pull-down list is), NOTHING happens.  ThisA occurred for the first time after having used Mozilla for several I months, and since it has occurred, the behaviour has remained the same.   A Restarting Mozilla or even rebooting the machine does not change  	 anything.   B However, this problem exists only for one particular user.  Thus, H presumably I can delete everything in that user's Mozilla directory and E things will work again after the user starts Mozilla for the "first"  I time again.  However, I would prefer a different solution and would like   to understand what is going on.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 02:01:49 -0700" From: "Rok" <Rok.Vidmar@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: NCR 53C810 on DS10LC Message-ID: <1130317309.688204.240660@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    > First upgrade console to 7.0.   C  I did. The only difference now is new console version: V7.0-2 (was  V6.8-9).  ; > In a very quick look I don't find that adapter supported.   9  NCR 53C810 is KZPAA. It is listed in OpenVMS V8.2 SPD as 9 supported. Note, RRD43 and TZ89 are supported too (I know  the disks I use are not).    Regards, Rok   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:40:51 GMT - From: klewis@e.THUNDERMAKER.NET (Keith Lewis)  Subject: Re: SEARCH HTML file . Message-ID: <nPK7f.1$z15.1790@news.uswest.net>   koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes in article <asuL50KX8BgP@eisner.encompasserve.org> dated 24 Oct 2005 16:19:03 -0500: ] >In article <435D4B66.4C2DEE27@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >> Bob Koehler wrote:  >>>       "set file/attributes"  >>>  >>>    is your friend. >>   >>  ; >> We shouldn't need to modify a file to search or type it.  > E >   When you lie to VMS about what's in a file, VMS should do as it's E >   designed to do, not run around making guesses about what's really 
 >   going on.   + I just used SWB 1.7.8 to save an Ebay page.   : $ sea AC-STANDARD_UNIVERSAL_W0QQFCLZ3QQFROMZR.HTML;1 xxxxxP %SEARCH-I-TRUNCATE, record(s) in SCRATCH0:[DIR11]AC-STANDARD_UNIVERSAL_W0QQFCLZ3( QQFROMZR.HTML;1 truncated to 32768 bytes' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched   	 Who lied?   J I should point out that SEARCH did return the correct result in this case,> but it did skip some data according to the I-TRUNCATE message.   -- klewis -at- thundermaker.net    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 11:49:32 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: SEARCH HTML file 3 Message-ID: <OiF64tq7UCo4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <nPK7f.1$z15.1790@news.uswest.net>, klewis@e.THUNDERMAKER.NET (Keith Lewis) writes: > - > I just used SWB 1.7.8 to save an Ebay page.  > < > $ sea AC-STANDARD_UNIVERSAL_W0QQFCLZ3QQFROMZR.HTML;1 xxxxxR > %SEARCH-I-TRUNCATE, record(s) in SCRATCH0:[DIR11]AC-STANDARD_UNIVERSAL_W0QQFCLZ3* > QQFROMZR.HTML;1 truncated to 32768 bytes) > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched  >  > Who lied?   B    In this case it looks like either SWB lied, or the server lied.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 06:24:35 -0700$ From: "Oblix" <oba_baby@hotmail.com>( Subject: Re: System disk booting problemC Message-ID: <1130333075.340278.201520@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E I have another problem now. The standalone backup mode is not working  at all. A When Issuing the >>>b/e0000000 I get nothing for like 30 minutes. . I tried the >>>SH SCSI and the ID is set to 6.* The hard disk drive is ok on the >>>SH DEVG >>>SH BOOT returns DKA200 which is the application disk on the MicroVAX  >>>SH BFLG returns 00000000  So I did and the results were  >>>B/R5:0 DKA300   (BOOT/R5:0 DKA300)	       2.. 
    -DKA300( and thats it for more than 30 minutes!!! and nothing else.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:30:30 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com( Subject: Re: System disk booting problemQ Message-ID: <OF33EBC340.471515C0-ON852570A6.005FEF36-852570A6.00601AE9@metso.com>   I If it boot from powerup with dka200 in BOOT, then that is, ISTM, the real  system disk, and1 you or your id's or your disks are confragulated. 3 Try b/r5:0  dka200 or b dka200 and see if it boots. K As to the other, if not ID's check for only one terminator and in the right  place.  ? "Oblix" <oba_baby@hotmail.com> wrote on 10/26/2005 09:24:35 AM:   G > I have another problem now. The standalone backup mode is not working 	 > at all. C > When Issuing the >>>b/e0000000 I get nothing for like 30 minutes. 0 > I tried the >>>SH SCSI and the ID is set to 6., > The hard disk drive is ok on the >>>SH DEVI > >>>SH BOOT returns DKA200 which is the application disk on the MicroVAX  > >>>SH BFLG returns 00000000  > So I did and the results were  > >>>B/R5:0 DKA300 >   (BOOT/R5:0 DKA300) >       2..  >    -DKA300* > and thats it for more than 30 minutes!!! > and nothing else.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:20:44 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>U Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) = Message-ID: <wwK7f.19285$OM.1422998@twister.southeast.rr.com>   / <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1130193791.350937.184000@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... F >I am asking Ken if he will post some of the pictures to go along with? > the trip report on openvms.org will let you know what he says     L I say will do.  Give me a day or two to pull them into Photoshop and shrink  them down to a useable size.     Ken   % _____________________________________  Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 3 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  HP OpenVMS News and Info     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:21:22 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>L Subject: Re: There are none so blind (Was: Re: updated VMS Information (sent+ Message-ID: <3s93l2Fn1gclU1@individual.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:V > In article <3s7dj4Fmhaj9U1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: >  >  >>John Reagan wrote: >  > K >>>I wouldn't call the Microsoft patch flawed.  The failure only occurs on  A >>>systems where the end-user changed protection on system-owned  I >>>directories and/or files.  Not much different than a VMS user putting  G >>>some funky ACL on [SYSLIB] and then being upset when a patch didn't  + >>>install or ended up breaking the system.  >>>  >>E >>Even when installing the VMS patch using the SYSTEM account, as is   >>normally (always recommended?  >  > C > There have been occasional reports of software actually requiring A > the SYSTEM username, and that software is tragically broken for  > use on a secured system.  C Yes, I've seen that, although through ignorance rather than malice.   E I have in the past come across in house developers who either didn't  G understand file ownership and protection or were too lazy to implement  H andf test it in installation kits (usually using VMSINSTALL, which will C cope with  those if specified), with the resulting request "I need    BYPASS" to run this application.  6 However, above I specifically referred to VMS patches.  , >   The SYSTEM username should never be usedC > interactively except from the system console in defense against a  > denial of service attack.  > . > Sharing of passwords defeats accountability.  G Not just accountability, but sensible team working when several people  F are sharing system management duties across multiple systems/clusters.  F When each system manager uses their own (suitably privileged) account H for system work, it is easy to see who did what and contact them in the  event of problems.  G > Thus the only reasonable way to have interactive access to the SYSTEM E > username in a multi-person shop is to store a complex password in a D > tamper-evident manner within the secured perimeter of the computer > room.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 07:45:28 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) L Subject: Re: There are none so blind (Was: Re: updated VMS Information (sent3 Message-ID: <re1lDVc2Q473@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3s93l2Fn1gclU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  D >> There have been occasional reports of software actually requiringB >> the SYSTEM username, and that software is tragically broken for >> use on a secured system.  > E > Yes, I've seen that, although through ignorance rather than malice.   G    There was a third party software product that claimed user accounts  G    _must_ have BYPASS in order to share files.  There was a third party @    IP stack which delivered sendmail with all the known securityG    patches omitted.  I once got on a VMS system and found a default FAL D    account, W:RWED access to systartup_x.com, and a connection to an    international DECnet.  %    Even VMS can't overcome ignorance.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 07:39:45 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) L Subject: Re: There are none so blind (Was: Re: updated VMS Information (sent3 Message-ID: <hWcgkaSxVb6x@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3s7oaqFmp0soU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > J > But how can the patch possibly anticipate a local change to the security > level of the system?  D    The patch should be applied in an environment with the equivalentF    of VMS BYPASS.  If an Administrator group account is supposed to beD    what's necessary, then Administrator group should have that level
    of access.    >>  ? >>    When I do a patch on Windows, it generally wants me in an G >>    Administrator account.  From an Administrator account I should be C >>    able to apply the patch, no matter what the file protections.  > 8 > I can assure you this is not the case.  See below.....  (    Which is exactly what the problem is.  G    By comparison, when I apply a patch to a VMS system using the SYSTEM G    account, or any account whih has the necessary privileges, it works. J    And when the patch installation for a couple of VMS patches did not setE    the new files' protection correctly at the end, those patches were A    recalled and re-released.  Anything less is a bug in the patch /    (though it may be due to a fault in the OS).    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2005 04:09:53 -0700" From: "Rok" <Rok.Vidmar@gmail.com>. Subject: Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvmsC Message-ID: <1130324993.793198.310060@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Forrest Kenney wrote:  > I > 2) If the DS10 had one then you can try to get it enabled you will need H > to get the PCI device ID from the clue config output and add and ettryI > or it to sys$user_config.dat.  Just steal the one for the Lucent USS344  > and change the device ID.   B  AlphaServer DS10L 466 MHz, OpenVMS V8.2, SRM V7.0-2, PAL 1.98-83.  $ I followed this, no OH device. Stole   boot_class    = DN%   boot_flags    = HW_CTRL_LTR, UNIT_0    flags         = PORT, BOOT   ASSOC         = UCM, USB5 too from NEC OHCI USB Controller, still no OH device.    Regards, Rok   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:34:55 -0400 , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com>. Subject: Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms& Message-ID: <435FA21F.80E7903A@hp.com>  = 	I did some checking last night and the DS10L with a graphics D card should work.  Select a supported PCI graphic card and you will F be all set.  DECWindows will come up and find a PS mouse and keyboard.E The built in USB is another issue it all depends upon the firmware in  the system.   @ 	If the firmware allows the USB to show up then it can be added.D Put the following entry into sys$user_config.dat.  This applies for : V7.3-1 forward.  The entry for this controller was in V7.3  , device          = "ACER 5237 USB Controller"   name          = OH    driver        = SYS$OHCIDRIVER   adapter       = PCI    id            = 0x523710B9
 end_device  < 	This will get the driver for the USB controller loaded and F a OHA0 device will show up in show device output.  If and only if yourE DS10 or DS10L has firmware that does not hide the USB controller from  the O.S.  < 	Actuall HP sold a PCI combo card that has USB and a Radeon D graphic controller on it.  This card has gone end of life and we do E not support it.  I have one and I know the USB controller works just  B fine.  There are known problems when Graphics and the USB are bothC enabled.  We have no plans to address them as the option is at end  
 of life.       Forrest   ! "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote:  >  > Forrest Kenney wrote: > > > I have never had my hands on a DS10L but I assume the sameF > > restrictions apply.  Note that you would not be able to have a VGAG > > console.  There is 0 support for USB in the alpha consoles with the E > > exceptions for the GS1280's and ES47's.  So if the DS10L has 2PCI G > > slots you can get what you want.  I would strongly encourage you to  > > try this on V8.2.  > >  > >  > > Forrest  > > $ > > stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: > > >  > > > Hi Forrest,  > > > N > > > > Depending upon what generation of firmware you have the USB controller" > > > > may be hidden from the O.S > > > E > > > Does the same apply for the DS10L or is this just for the DS10.  > > > K > > > Would love to get it to work on a 666Mhz DS10L so I can have graphics  > > > (DecWindows) and USB.  > > >  > > > Thanks > > >  > > > Stuart > I > The DS10L only has 1 PCI slot and no built-in graphics capability so if F > the on-board USB won't work you'd need a Video/USB combo board which8 > AFAIK doesn't exist and probably wouldn't work anyway.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:45:35 +0100 % From: "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com>   Subject: Webmail running on VAMP0 Message-ID: <11lvclfqj8anr12@corp.supernews.com>  C The IlohaMail webmail system has been confirmed as running on VAMP   flawlessly.   A Link, http://www.issinoho.com:8080/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=114#114    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.598 ************************                                        i#"
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