1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 28 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 601       Contents:) Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark) ) Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark) / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today / Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today   Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem# Re: Lock problems something strange  Re: Need PS Fan for AS200  Re: Need PS Fan for AS200 " Re: Quick prototype perl from DCL?L Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1)) Re: ucx 4.1 and problem with RSH services % Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms % Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms 7 Re: Were you an Interex member?  Now you're being sold! 7 Re: Were you an Interex member?  Now you're being sold! 7 Re: Were you an Interex member?  Now you're being sold! 7 Re: Were you an Interex member?  Now you're being sold! 5 Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:10:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark), Message-ID: <43615070.82B92BD1@teksavvy.com>   S wrote: > *nitpicking*J > Wouldn't have been more logical name shark_1teeth.eps the 1 row of teeth
 > version?    H Yes, it would have been more logical. But since I am not from Vulcan....  <  I think the 2 rows were produced first, so it got the "1".   F And this naming convention forces the user to read the readme file :-) :-) :-) ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:33:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark), Message-ID: <436163C9.F123377C@teksavvy.com>   Michael Unger wrote:J > Minor nitpick: the page size is apparently defined as "US LETTER" (215.93 > x 279.4 mm) with "Vernon" positioned bottom left.   G In shark_1teeth.eps, there doesn't seem to be any reference to "Letter"  or 215 or 792 or 612.   + (US Letter is 612 * 792 postscript points).   G Also, in an EPS file, a page size is irrelevant since the EPS is placed 2 inside a full document whose page size is defined.    G I am curious about this though. What software did you use to import the 
 EPS into ?  J > Here the page size is just the image's size: 200.4 x 135.5 mm (568 x 384 > typographical points).    G Interesting. i didn't do anything to edit/simplify the EPS file for the E outline. It was generated as a MAC EPS file. And the EPS headers look M quite the same for both files. (the outline one contains lots of extra crap).     3 the second line of the shark_1teeth.eps should be:   %%Title: shark_v21.fh8  P If not, you probably are using the older version of it. (where it was shark.fh8)   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Oct 2005 00:35:08 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march today+ Message-ID: <3sda1sFnm18mU1@individual.net>   + In article <43616ACB.A938E100@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > Lurker wrote:  >>  : >> A few years back some wiring in my house short-circuted: >> and caught fire. It was put out quick enough so not too4 >> much damage was done but the wiring itself needed >> replacement of course.  >>    >> Since I couldn't do it myself > 
 > Why not?  G Some people know their limitations. Not everyone is an electrician or a D plumber or a carpenter.  Of course, some of us who haven't spent our9 entire lives in front of a keyboard are all of them.  :-)    > # >> I've pulled out  theYellow Pages ; >> which had something like a full page of electricians and 5 >> companies who could and would do that in the area. : >> A few phone calls resulted in some interesting results.7 >> All union shops quoted exactly the same price - down < >> to a cent. Not too surprising really, that's part of what >> the unions do I guess.  > G > Yes: they watch out for each other. No one gets cheated, and everyone  > has the same opportunity.   @ Yeah, it's called price fixing.  Just what one would expect from8 an organization that is totally against free enterprise.   > & >> But, non-union professionals quoted? >> anything from exactly the same as the union did (got the cue 9 >> there I guess) up to 50% lower. And yes, they were all  >> certified and qualified.  > 
 > ...by whom?   D In any place that actually has building codes (rural america in most@ cases does not) electricians are required to be licensed by the ? municipalities in which they wish to work and the the licensing < body makes sure of qualifications and things like insurance.   >  >> Guess who got the job?  > I > Do you *REALLY* want to trust your safety to the lowest bidder? (think: 3 > Space Shuttle Challenger, Hubble Telescope, etc.)   H Well, I thought the same thing about the lowest bidder.  I would tend to? pick someone in the middle. (Except that I would do it myself!)    > < >> That means two things: One: if you accept the union offer' >> you pay twice as much as you should.  > F > Depends. The union guys all have the same training. John from Bill'sF > Electrical can come in and start a job, then go on family leave, andI > Bill from John's Electrical and come in and finish it without having to J > guess what John was thinking or having to redo the work you already paid > for.  F Hahahahahahahaha   Maybe in a perfect world.  I have known some really incompetent union people.      > I > If Bubba from Billy-Bob and Bubba, Inc., Electrical Contractor comes in J > and can't finish for whatever reason (busted for dope, unplanned shotgunJ > wedding or whatever), will any of his work have to be redone by who ever > gets the job to finish?   I Not too prejudiced in favor of the unions, are we?  Being a card carrying J union member is no more a guarantee of competence than not being one means your a hick moron.   >  >> Two: some union= >> worker has lost out on that job simply because a non-union : >> one could beat him on the price (by a good margin too). > I > ...or he'll get the rework when it fails or doesn't meet code, at which J > point you end up paying 50% *MORE* than if you'd done it right the first > time.    See comment above!!!   > & > TANSTAAFL. You get what you pay for.    Microsoft Windows XP   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2005 19:32:13 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>8 Subject: Re: HP : Massive strike and protest march todayC Message-ID: <1130466733.090607.169090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:  > Lurker wrote:  > >  [...] ; > > A few years back some wiring in my house short-circuted ; > > and caught fire. It was put out quick enough so not too 5 > > much damage was done but the wiring itself needed  > > replacement of course. > > ! > > Since I couldn't do it myself  > 
 > Why not?    = Maybe because he doesn't have that all-important training you 
 mentioned?    $ > > I've pulled out  theYellow Pages< > > which had something like a full page of electricians and6 > > companies who could and would do that in the area.; > > A few phone calls resulted in some interesting results. 8 > > All union shops quoted exactly the same price - down= > > to a cent. Not too surprising really, that's part of what  > > the unions do I guess. > G > Yes: they watch out for each other. No one gets cheated, and everyone  > has the same opportunity.   C Depends on how you define "cheating". There's market price and then E there's "fair price", which depends, of course, on your definition of E "fair". And the union price is likely not the same as either of them.   ' > > But, non-union professionals quoted @ > > anything from exactly the same as the union did (got the cue: > > there I guess) up to 50% lower. And yes, they were all > > certified and qualified. > 
 > ...by whom?  >  > > Guess who got the job? > I > Do you *REALLY* want to trust your safety to the lowest bidder? (think: 3 > Space Shuttle Challenger, Hubble Telescope, etc.)   G The Hubble did pretty well after the correcting lens was added. And I'm D not sure you can really blame the fault on the lowest bidder anyway.B The Space Shuttle disaster was in large part management's (NASA's) fault, was it not?   [...]     & > TANSTAAFL. You get what you pay for.   Or less.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:19:25 +0800 3 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> ) Subject: Re: LIB$WAIT & COBOL/VMS problem 1 Message-ID: <djrncl$ag0$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi John,  @ > Are you saying that you are a blithering idiot who can't avoidF > top-posting and insists on putting words into other people's mouths?  H Can't say that sort of abuse was called for but maybe that's par for theK course at Encompass? What is it that you do there exactly? How's membership  going?  I Anyway, if protocol dictates that I now respond by calling you names then J just consider the abuse/glove thrown. Having said that, I would've thoughtJ that the combined age of you and your buddy would be over 100 in the shadeL by now so why don't we all grow up a bit and step back from the abyss? Or at; least get out more and get a life. *It's just a newsgroup!*    Regards Richard Maher   D PS. I'l have to look at DECUS membership in the future. That ADA BOF session's gotta rock!     + <briggs@encompasserve.org> wrote in message - news:87sj+VkBS+KD@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > In article <djmpd8$oe4$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" % <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  > > Hi Briggs, > > ( > >> I was talking about Ada, not Cobol. > > ! > > So are you saying that Ada: -  > > L > > a) Does not support the calling of an identifier/variable so the problem > > doesn't occur? > > L > > b) Just somehow knows what will happen at run-time and therefore can vet the  > > argument list? > @ > Are you saying that you are a blithering idiot who can't avoidF > top-posting and insists on putting words into other people's mouths? > 
 > John Briggs    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:38:45 GMT  From: danco@ns2.pebble.org, Subject: Re: Lock problems something strange1 Message-ID: <slrndm2hq9.4gu.danco@ns2.pebble.org>   = In article <3scgcdFnan3eU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture wrote:    >> error in log file. 5 >> %GSR-E-INCLOCK, Incompatible access lock requested   @ This is the GEMBASE RMS relational engine's way of reporting the> RMS error: "%RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user"   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:29:34 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) " Subject: Re: Need PS Fan for AS200( Message-ID: <djrnsu$be4$1@pcls4.std.com>  4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  D >My little Alpha developed a problem: the fan in the power supply no. >longer spins freely. (AlphaStation 200 4/233)  I Dead power supplies for them with potentially good fans should be not too  hard to find. :-)   H These things seem to blow the power supplies themselves all the time.  IC had two AS200s.  Both had their power supply fail.  The first one I H never fixed (went from a 2 node cluster to a single system).  The second@ one I replaced with a cheap ATX power supply from CompUSA.  The G Alphastation power supply has nonstandard connectors, so what I did was J cut off the connectors from the ATX power supply and the dead AS200 supplyF and solder the AS200 connector to the ATX supply.  This is easier saidI than done because Astec/Digital and the PC people didn't agree on a color J code for anything (oh they both agreed on black for ground, I guess)  ThisI worked well for over two years until I recently replaced it with a DS10L.   I I should have documented this step by step and put it on a website... :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:08:18 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>" Subject: Re: Need PS Fan for AS200+ Message-ID: <43616BF1.337674FC@comcast.net>    Michael Moroney wrote: > 6 > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > F > >My little Alpha developed a problem: the fan in the power supply no0 > >longer spins freely. (AlphaStation 200 4/233) > K > Dead power supplies for them with potentially good fans should be not too  > hard to find. :-)  > J > These things seem to blow the power supplies themselves all the time.  IE > had two AS200s.  Both had their power supply fail.  The first one I J > never fixed (went from a 2 node cluster to a single system).  The secondA > one I replaced with a cheap ATX power supply from CompUSA.  The I > Alphastation power supply has nonstandard connectors, so what I did was L > cut off the connectors from the ATX power supply and the dead AS200 supplyH > and solder the AS200 connector to the ATX supply.  This is easier saidK > than done because Astec/Digital and the PC people didn't agree on a color L > code for anything (oh they both agreed on black for ground, I guess)  ThisK > worked well for over two years until I recently replaced it with a DS10L.  > K > I should have documented this step by step and put it on a website... :-)   D Yes, definitely! The voltages, etc. on each pin would have been most. helful when trying to match up a "generic" PS.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:28:15 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)+ Subject: Re: Quick prototype perl from DCL? - Message-ID: <djrd8u$23$2@newslocal.mitre.org>    jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) writes in article <djonh0$1epg$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu> dated Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:04:48 +0000 (UTC): L >An impending migration from VMS to Solaris requires rewriting dozens (maybeP >even hundreds) of DCL command streams in some Unix-resident scripting language. > M >While many of them might well be best reimplemented in compiled languages, a N >quick pass DCL->Perl tool, something to get the basics converted and then let7 >the programmer concentrate on the details, is desired.  > N >OR some other target scripting language, Perl isn't critical, just assumed toK >be the most likely candidate.  In fact different scripting languages might + >be best for different DCL command streams.  > L >OR best of all, a close-to-DCL shell language that runs on Solaris ?  Yeah,J >like that'll ever happen within my budget constraints (zero point double- >ought zip-zip nuthin).  > J >Anything opensource or freebie out there to answer this?  Translation canI >take place on VMS, Solaris or even on a Wintel box if need be as long as I >the resultant file(s) can be loaded into Solaris, tweaked/tuned and run.   J There was a DCL-tool for DOS some time back.  IIRC, it handled expressionsJ pretty well but not VMS commands (understandably), so it really wasn't allK that useful.  It might have been called VMSDCL.  If you get the source code L to that you might be able to port the tool to Unix and then manually fix the action-lines in your scripts.   = The freevms.org people might have something like this, too.     0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2005 20:33:41 -0700! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com U Subject: Re: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, Switzerland (part 1) B Message-ID: <1130470421.050281.58460@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  E Just letting you know that Ken Farmer has posted a couple of pictures 8 for me (about 10 out of several hundred) on openvms.org.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue   " susan_skonetski@hotmail.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Skonetski, Susan* > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:14 PM > To: Skonetski, Susan> > Subject: Technical Update Days - Trip report Germany, Italy, > Switzerland (part 1) >  > 
 > Dear Folks,  > C > Well I am back from the European portion of the OpenVMS Technical I > Update Days.  It was really wonderful to be with so many friends that I E > have not seen in awhile and in some cases never even met before.  I B > have broken this in two parts for your sake and mine.  This is aH > general trip report on the European OpenVMS Technical Update Days this+ > is Part one (Germany, Italy, Switzerland)  > G > Some things that may interest you. There is now an Italian and French F > openvms.org and a German one is coming.  This is all being done on aF > volunteer basis.  Every location the agenda was changed and the teamH > was of course flexible as they always are.  We had one on one meetings" > and one on many customer visits. > G > Team was Guy Peleg, Andy Goldstein, Richard Bishop, Doug Gordon, Norm G > Lastovica (Oracle Rdb), Brad McCusker, Sunil Kumaran, Philippe Vigier C > (Oracle Rdb), Yanick Pouffary.  And for the first time we had VMS E > management representation Paul LaCombe, Jim Lancianni, Jim Janetos,  > MaryJane Vazquez.  > H > We started in Germany (Sept 26-27 Mon-Tues)We stay at the SteinebergerG > hotel, it is a lovely location with a park across the street and this C > year for some reason there is a Mazda in the lobby.  When Andy G. E > arrived the first thing he did was get under the car and say "now I G > feel at home".  This is the third or fourth year in this location and E > you know how there is a sterotype that Germans are reserved and not I > friendly.  Its just not true, they are warm, kind with a great sense of H > humor.  The room was packed and on the second day one of the customersC > said that he was sorry the his friend could not be there but they G > needed to sign a PO for over 4M (VMS of course).  I was ok with that. F > The room that we use is right above a micro brew place and our hostsA > were Guenter Krieble (VMS Ambassadover) and Thomas Siebold (VMS E > Ambassador).  Every time we visit we meet new folks and they are so   > excited about VMS, its a buzz. > I > Tuesday (27th) night after reviewing the feedback forms we flew to Rome E > Italy. Wed  (28) was supposed to be the travel day but I have never I > been to Italy before and wanted to see Rome.  If you have never been to D > Italy it is a not to be missed experience.  The taxi ride from theG > airport to the hotel with a driver and Guy Peleg was an experience in G > itself, the entire goal was to keep two tires on the road at one time A > while traveling at 100 miles an hour, any more than that is not C > permitted.  Arrive Holiday Inn somewhere 50 or so Euro's from the 
 > Airport. > F > Wednesday (28th) The hotel has a free shuttle to down town Rome.  OnH > the way we notice a lot of soldiers with automatic weapons (this comesH > into play later). The bus drops us (Doug, Norm, Guy and myself) off inJ > front of a caf=E9.  They need coffee and I need a diet coke (bad, its anG > addiction).  So we walk around the block, its beautiful little alleys F > with sculptures.  We find a place, I have no idea what to order so IG > get a coffee (I hate coffee) its in a little cup and looks like 10w40 E > motor oil then one of them mention that there is a cooler with coke D > lite and I am gone.  We walk out the door and see groups of peopleA > walking up this huge staircase so we follow them.  At the top a G > panorama unfolds, acres of ancient ruins, it's the Pantheon, there is F > the Arch of Constine, I even saw where Julius Caesar was buried.  WeH > walked around the outside of the Coliseum.  Then we are off to see theF > Trevi Fountain with lunch on the way.  We do not want to eat at someI > tourist trap the problem with that is that none of us speak any Italian G > except Guido Pelago knows a few words (that would be Guy).  So we end F > up in a small very crowded resturant and I still do not know what weE > had but it was good, and there were two very nice men and the table E > next to us that helped me order.  The Trevi Fountain is huge and is G > built on the site of the earliest fountian in Rome, the water travels F > 20KM there were probably 2 thousand people here half of them sellingG > something.  Next stop is the Spanish steps of all the sights this was E > the least exciting, they are a set of stairs surrounded by designer F > shops.  The truth is I do not know the story behind them so there isI > probably something very cool about them.  Its time to head back for the 8 > bus and dinner at the hotel and get ready for the TUD. > I > Thursday (29th) Rome TUD HP office in Rome, the team hosting us here is E > so wonderful Emanualla (half of the marketing team coordinating the F > event) is here she is very competent very nice and beautiful too. WeE > have the Ambassadors as well and they have arranged to show a mixed C > architecture cluster which the customer love.  Now you remember I H > mentioned about the soldiers with the automatic weapons, well it seemsE > that there is some sort of terrorist activity in Rome and they have H > shut down the subway so most of the audience can not get to the event.I > This is sad for us but some folks make it and we do the event for them. G >  When the day is done, we leave for the airport and head to Milan for  > the Friday TUD.  > I > Friday (30th) Milan Italy HP Office.  Now all the Ambassadors Emanualla H > and Leila the Marketing team and a large audience are here.  And MauroG > who has volunteered to do the Italian vms.org is there as well as our D > friends from the Polytechnic who were also speaking I have a greatI > picture of this group at the end of the day. This evening I went out to G > dinner with Doug, Andy and Margie Goldstein to a wonderful restaurant D > probably one of the best on the entire trip.  No one spoke EnglishH > which was a good start, the hostess maybe owner was wonderful and kindG > and I had what ever she recommended..  This was the first time we had = > done the Tad's in Italy and I hope it will not be the last.  >  > Weekend: Oct1-2 C > When we knew we were going to be in Milan on Friday Guy and I had C > talked about driving to Zurich our next stop.  This is one of the # > highlights of the entire 3 weeks.  >  > Saturday Oct 1 > H > Guy and Norm pick up the rental car from the airport, we were not sureI > of the size and if it would fit four people so the plan b was to take a D > train.  Fortunately the car was a station wagon so we could all goI > together.  We start our road trip and it is a beautiful warm sunny day. G >  Our first stop is the very lovely village called Sirmone which is on C > Lake Garda.  It is a walled village and the lake is beautiful and G > obviously very wealthy, we stay about an hour and all go our separate I > ways and I take about 50 photographs. The air has changed from city air E > to mountain air since the lake is surrounded by mountains. I should G > probably add here that the guys are great to travel with, and did not D > mind when I had to stop to take pictures which I have hundreds of.D > After Simrione we travel for another hour or so before we stop forF > lunch at yet another perfect place on the lake with the mountains onH > the other side.  Our goal for the day is to make the town of Araba for@ > a hotel that night which is in the Dolamites.  As we drive theF > mountains get steeper and above the tree line it so amazing it takesG > your breath away, we stop at this lake where there are so many greens F > and blues you can not count them and the air is like champagne.  TheH > sky is a dark clear blue and we get to share it with friends.  This isC > pretty fortunate and the day gets even better.  Probably the best I > picture I took was on a portion of road where that are 36 hairpin turns G > the sun is going down and I ask Guy to stop and the sun is shining on I > one snow covered mountain.  It is getting dark as we roll into the town H > of Araba.  We find out that the hotel (SportHotel in Araba) is closingG > the next day for the season and that they will give us a room but has I > to charge us for breakfast and for 55 Euros we get the best room of the G > entire trip.  Barbara speaks English and is a sweetheart.  Her mother E > is turning 60 the next day and I get to meet this very nice man who H > owns a restaurant just down the road.  Guy and his wife have stayed inI > this hotel before, my room was a girl room and had a whirlpool tub with E > a window that could look out the bedroom out the balcony, king-size I > bed, couch, table pretty much everything.  Very much a ski lodge place. I >  Anyway we go out to dinner and everyone was so nice one of the waiters I > Kiki has been working there for 32 years and Marie Theresa was actually B > born on Staten Island NY but moved back to Italy when she was 2.H > Anyway the owner came over with some Grappa (liquor made from the skinI > of grapes, normally is horrible but this was good) then I got a tour of F > the kitchen and took pictures, I also got a job offer to work at the0 > restaurant.  But I told them I love what I do. >  > Sunday Oct 2 > H > After a wonderful nights sleep it's a rainy day and we have to make itI > to Zurich today because we have customer visits on Monday.  What we did A > not know is that there was construction on the roads.  I have a F > beautiful picture of a castle ruin on the side of the road.  We alsoE > had to go through part of Austria before we got to Switzerland.  We G > also got behind some sort of parade.  It is amazing how little border D > control there is now between countries.  We dropped the car at theG > Zurich Airport with about 500 miles on it, and then took a cab to the F > hotel, we had been on the road for about 10 hours and it was good to > not be moving. >  > Monday Oct 3 > H > 8am Raymond Frepple OpenVMS Ambassador meeting Norm, Guy and myself inF > the hotel lobby we have two customer visits today, we take a bus andG > two trains at one of the train stations we get a wireless PCMCIA card I > for my laptop I am having some problems (I am the problem) Guy and Norm E > do an excellent job with the customer its very different to be at a H > site where you are the stranger, what I also noticed was the security,I > its nice to have customers that you know in the room.  At about noon we G > leave that customer site and catch the train for an hour trip to Bern I > for another customer visit and we have lunch on the train with Raymond. H >  The customer visit goes excellent and is very interactive. We need toE > get back to the hotel where I have to meet the TUD host for a group G > dinner at 8 we actually make it back to the hotel as they are walking D > out. Rene Hanselmann our host for the event took us to this casual> > place where we had cheese fondue, wine and lots of laughter. >  > Tuesday Oct 4  > D > The technical update in Switzerland is excellent, the room is fullE > there are walk-ins and there is even a new person (hobbyiest)who is F > very young.  One thing that always amazes me is how many interestingI > places where VMS is being used, just when I think that I have heard all F > the possible places where we are at, then I find another interestingH > customer, that happened in Switzerland.  The team did an excellent jobE > coordinating the event and the TUD team did a great job delivering. # > Three countries done three to go.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2005 12:22:00 -0700 From: bill@wcschmidt.com2 Subject: Re: ucx 4.1 and problem with RSH servicesC Message-ID: <1130440920.095029.224740@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   A There were problems with this version of UCX, Even though the job C completed it didn't always exit properly and so you would reach the G maximum limit. The work around was to set the RSH limit high (100), and A this didn't always work either and the system had to be rebooted, C sometimes you could get away with stopping the entire UCX stack and G restarting it. Software support always gave us the same answer Upgrade, D this was not an option, so in the end we wound up scheduling reboots monthly or when ever it locked.    H Vlems wrote:) > "kyle katarn" <sans> schreef in bericht . > news:Xns96FB9950B871Ekfreefr@212.27.42.71...
 > > Hello, > > ? > > I have a problem with RSH of UCX 4.1 eco 10 on VAX VMS 6.1.  > > ; > > I use it for communication between a VAX and a IBM3270.  > > 2 > > in some situation, the IBM3270 can not execute7 > > the RSH (it wait for 1 min and send the return code 0 > > "Foreign host aborted the connection 8556"). > > * > > after n retry, it can execute the RSH. > > B > > But, then same host, can execute a RSH to the VAX in a another > > JOB !!!  > >  > > (we cannot upgrade VMS). > >  > > 9 > > The only solution we found is to stop and restart UCX 2 > > weekly (the VAX is shutdown only once a year). > > 5 > > I am sure i am not the only dec user in world who  > > have this problem ?! > > ) > > Or it is a problem on the mainframe ?  > > E > > But when the problem occurs, it cannot execute rsh the target VAX & > > but i can execute on another VAX ! > > ? > > If you know this problem, please, not let me alone  !   ;-)  > >  > > thanks in advance !  > >  > >  > > log of Mainframe execution > > ************************** > [IBM log removed]  >  > A couple of questions:N > If the VAX with the RSH problems tries to ping or traceroute the IBM system, > what does the output show?1 > Are the VAX and the IBM in the same IP network? 4 > What are you running on the IBM (OS and IP stack)? >  > Hans   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:15:33 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) . Subject: Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms3 Message-ID: <Vrb8f.15463$X04.6192@news.cpqcorp.net>    In article <1130291894.476325.315950@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" <johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com> writes: H :The DS10L only has 1 PCI slot and no built-in graphics capability so ifE :the on-board USB won't work you'd need a Video/USB combo board which 7 :AFAIK doesn't exist and probably wouldn't work anyway.     A   Aim the entire DECwindows display at a remote X Windows server. B   (Treat the AlphaServer DS10L like what it is, a headless system,=   and aim the login and the displays at a remote X11 server.)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:23:31 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) . Subject: Re: USB SUPPORT ON DS10 ALPHA oPENvms4 Message-ID: <nzb8f.15465$X04.14288@news.cpqcorp.net>  c In article <435fe5b1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: I :>3) In most cases what folk are really looking for is a way to exchange  K :>   files with a PC using a pen drive.  There are no plans to support that L :>   in an release that I currently know about.  Folks have had some success5 :>   using the EFI$CP utility.  You mileage may vary.  : ; :But only on Itanics. No EFI* on Alphas (at least on mine).     A   Load the OpenVMS I64 cross-tools kit, or (when it arrives) load    the OpenVMS V8.3 release.     I :>4) If you get to V7.3-2 you can get a USB mass storage driver from the  H :>   freeware site.  There are intruction on what you need to do to get  :>   it working. : G :There is also a SYS$DNDRIVER.EXE_V82* on the freeware site, so why did & :you limit above statement to V7.3-2 ? : I :And what disk format is ok with SYS$DNDRIVER ? (FAT16, FAT32, NTFS, ...)   C   As Forrest has indicated, DNDRIVER cares as much about the volume G   format as most any other disk driver found on OpenVMS.  Specifically,    it cares not at all.  C   EFI$CP is an undocumented utility solely intended to operate with @   the EFI boot partitions and the FAT volume structures involved?   within same, and the volume structures used by OpenVMS within A   these are FAT12 and FAT16.  The EFI console also permits FAT32, A   but OpenVMS does not presently need nor use that.  EFI does not 5   use nor provide NTFS, and thus neither does EFI$CP.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:09:24 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>@ Subject: Re: Were you an Interex member?  Now you're being sold!+ Message-ID: <43616C34.4CD57F40@comcast.net>    "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: >  > From Risks Digest 24.08: > ' > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:12:39 -0600 - > From: "Dale E. Coy" <dale -at- thecoys.net> @ > Subject: Membership database from bankrupt User Group to go to > highest bidder > H > http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/s6 > tory/0,10801,105386,00.html?source=NLT_PM&nid=105386 > G > Interex membership list for sale to highest bidder; The bankrupt user C > group's member database is being sold to satisfy creditor demands  > G > A California bankruptcy court will sell Interex's membership database ? > to the highest bidder to help satisfy creditor demands of the E > bankrupt user group, according to recently filed court papers.  The E > Hewlett-Packard Co. user group claimed about 100,000 members before B > filing in August for bankruptcy in U.S. Bankruptcy Court for theF > Northern District of California after incurring more than $4 millionD > in debt. The court filing is dated Oct. 5, but notices of the sale4 > apparently reached some Interex members this week.  8 Hhmmm... Can the court be sued for violation of privacy?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:35:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> @ Subject: Re: Were you an Interex member?  Now you're being sold!, Message-ID: <43617255.5FF3299F@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: : > Hhmmm... Can the court be sued for violation of privacy?  7 Court is doing its job according to the bankrupcy laws.   H And whoever buys the membership list will have full rights to the list. H Because Interex is being liquidated, any privacy protections Interex had  are now totally moot.    G Had Interex sold the list while it was still viable, then Interex would H have been able to ensure the buyer adheres to whatever privacy standards Interex had.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:31:13 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> @ Subject: Re: Were you an Interex member?  Now you're being sold!0 Message-ID: <11m32u2s9kasubf@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > : >>Hhmmm... Can the court be sued for violation of privacy? >  > 9 > Court is doing its job according to the bankrupcy laws.  > J > And whoever buys the membership list will have full rights to the list. J > Because Interex is being liquidated, any privacy protections Interex had >  are now totally moot.   > I > Had Interex sold the list while it was still viable, then Interex would J > have been able to ensure the buyer adheres to whatever privacy standards > Interex had.  I If I were arguing the issue, I'd say that Interex never owned the names,  D addresses, and such.  They were issued to the organization to allow D communications solely from Interex.  I'd think that each individual H could demand that his data be stricken from the list before the list is H sold.  I'd further argue that each name on the list would have to agree F to leave his name on the list, otherwise it be stricken from the list.  H If the data wasn't owned by Interex, then it isn't property that can be H sold to cover the debts of Interex.  I'd say that there are grounds for H violation of privacy laws.  Don't think they had my name.  If they did, 7 HP or Encompass gave it to them, without my permission.   $ Who do I contact to protect my data?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2005 22:00:39 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) @ Subject: Re: Were you an Interex member?  Now you're being sold!3 Message-ID: <4o8zc9AdwCfd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <11m32u2s9kasubf@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  & > Who do I contact to protect my data?  # Your US Senator and Representative. C Get them to pass laws so that next time you will have legal rights.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:24:03 -0600 4 From: "Dale E. Coy" <daleecoy@obfuscation.spinn.net>> Subject: Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision0 Message-ID: <11m2ks4n9jia4f4@corp.supernews.com>  K My apologies for the long posting which will not be significant to many of   you.  E To: Members of Enterprise Computing Association U.S., Inc. (ENCOMPASS  US Chapter)   5 Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision   F A "Summary of Proposed 2005 Revisions to Encompass By-Laws" was passedE out to members immediately before the Member Meeting the afternoon of ? October 19th.  The eight pages of proposed revisions include 19 ? separate changes "plus various punctuation changes throughout". F However, voting will be yes/no on the entire slate of changes.  Voting$ will take place starting October 28.  H http://www.encompassus.org/images/pdfs/encompassbylawrevisions_final.pdf    F The following are the major reasons I will vote against the proposal -* in brief summary, and then in more detail.  3 1.  There is no great urgency to change the bylaws.   B 2.  The proposed revision was developed by the Board of Directors,/ without involvement of other Encompass members.   B 3.  There has been no time for analysis or comment on the changes.  A 4.  The Board is not providing an opportunity for a dialog on the 4 changes (public member questions and Board answers).  A 5.  The Board is not providing any opportunity for a statement in = opposition to the changes, to be published to the membership.   C 6.  The voting is on the entire slate of 19+ changes, rather on the 6 individual changes - in effect, "take it or leave it".  E 7.  Although we are told there are no substantive changes, there are, D in fact, substantive changes to the bylaws in the proposed revision.  E Summary: there is no urgency to approve an 8-page revision before the @ Encompass Membership can discuss the revision and receive public- answers to their questions about the changes.   + ================  Detail  =================   B 1.  No urgency:  We are told (in a FAQ to be distributed) that theF changes are (a) to remove references to DECUS; (b) to clarify; and (c)B to remove references to Massachusetts incorporation and conform toE Illinois laws.  It is clear that (a) and (b) are not urgent.  The FAQ < is also the first notification to Encompass members that theD organization has been re-incorporated in Illinois.  I don't know howB many months ago that was done - but clearly, if the bylaw revision? wasn't needed before the re-incorporation, then it isn't urgent 
 afterward.  F 2.  No non-Board-member participation in developing revisions.  One ofF the published Encompass Strategic Values says: "We value volunteerism,= providing opportunities for members of the HP IT community to E participate in Encompass activities."  Although I believe in the good D intentions of the Board, it is a longstanding tradition in Encompass< that matters such as Bylaws Revisions should have widespreadF participation by the membership.  If this had been the case, I believeD that the proposed revisions would have been substantially different,@ and would have included additional needed changes to the Bylaws.  D 3, 4, 5.  No time for analysis, discussion, public Q&A, etc.  One ofG the Encompass Strategic Values says: "We value candor and objectivity." E Public discussion, comment, and Q&A has been traditional in DECUS and D Encompass.  In my opinion, it is vital in fundamental issues such asE Bylaws Revision.  You might see some problem or question that I miss. E My observations might be incorrect in the judgment of other members - 8 and I might change my opinions, given public discussion.  @ Note: During the annual Member Meeting, I attempted to move thatC Encompass provide for public questions and public answers about the > changes.  However, it was ruled "out of order" for a member to0 introduce a motion at the annual Member Meeting.  A 6.  Vote on the entire change.  I believe some of the changes are F reasonable, and I believe that some are substantive and objectionable.D The only way to vote against anything "wrong" is to vote against the entire revision package.  D 7.  Substantive changes.  I believe there are substantive changes inD Revisions #4, #5, #8, #17, and perhaps others.  Public discussion isC needed as to whether these changes are reasonable and appropriate.     ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.601 ************************