1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 31 Oct 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 608       Contents:2 ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au.6 Re: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au.6 Re: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au.7 Re: ??==TLZ10 = HP Compaq Storagworks DAT 12/24 GB DDS3 ) Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark) ) Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark) & BIND sporadic problem ($QIO interface): Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command> Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command$ Poll: Web-based Chat on OpenVMS.org?( Re: Poll: Web-based Chat on OpenVMS.org?( Re: Poll: Web-based Chat on OpenVMS.org? Re: RF/RZ26 disk question M Re: Stupid newbie's error: Howto reset system's password from user's account? M Re: Stupid newbie's error: Howto reset system's password from user's account?  Re: Trolling for business? Re: Trolling for business? Re: Trolling for business?A Re: UCX performance on VMS 6.2 - Unexpected rise in CPU usage....  Re: VMS? Re: VMS?9 Re: Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision 9 Re: Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision  Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:20:47 +0100 , From: "H. M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>; Subject: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au. 7 Message-ID: <aus-A960E0.13204731102005@news.cis.dfn.de>   C We just purchased a Alpha PWS 433au in eBay and I`ve installed and   booted the basic OVMS 8.2.  5 A portion on the consul >>>show config is show below.   
 QUESTIONS:  G Where can I find the last version of the firmware update? The platform  @ is too old to be included on the CD in the VMS 8.2 distribution.  + Is it necessary to have the latest version?      >>>sh config   Firmware4 SRM Console:    V7.2-1          Mar  6 2000 14:47:02 ARC Console:    5.70E PALcode:        OpenVMS PALcode V1.20-16, Tru64 UNIX PALcode V1.22-18  SROM Version:   v5.90   	 Processor 8 DECchip (tm) 21164A-2   Pass   433 MHz  96 KBytes SCache 2 MB BCache  PYXIS ASIC Pass 257    ...   5      Bus 00  Slot 20: DECchip 21052 PCI to PCI Bridge /        Bus 01  Slot 08: ISP1040 Scsi Controller F                                    pka0.7.0.1008.0       SCSI Bus ID 7B                                    dka0.0.0.1008.0        RZ1BC-BAB                                    dka100.1.0.1008.0      RZ1BB-BSF                                    dka400.4.0.1008.0      TEAC CD-ROM  CD-516S    ISA    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:46:11 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> ? Subject: Re: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au. * Message-ID: <43661213.1040702@bigpond.com>   H. M. Aus was overheard to say: E > We just purchased a Alpha PWS 433au in eBay and I`ve installed and   > booted the basic OVMS 8.2. > 7 > A portion on the consul >>>show config is show below.  >  > QUESTIONS: > I > Where can I find the last version of the firmware update? The platform  B > is too old to be included on the CD in the VMS 8.2 distribution. > - > Is it necessary to have the latest version?  >  >  > 
 >>>>sh config  >  > 
 > Firmware6 > SRM Console:    V7.2-1          Mar  6 2000 14:47:02  4 This is the latest firmware version for these boxes. It is on the V6.8 firmware CD.   Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:41:34 +0100 , From: "H. M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de>? Subject: Re: ?= SRM and disk question on new to us Alpha 433au. 7 Message-ID: <aus-3703FA.14413431102005@news.cis.dfn.de>   * In article <43661213.1040702@bigpond.com>,/  David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote:   ! > H. M. Aus was overheard to say: G > > We just purchased a Alpha PWS 433au in eBay and I`ve installed and   > > booted the basic OVMS 8.2. > > 9 > > A portion on the consul >>>show config is show below.  > >  > > QUESTIONS: > > K > > Where can I find the last version of the firmware update? The platform  D > > is too old to be included on the CD in the VMS 8.2 distribution. > > / > > Is it necessary to have the latest version?  > >  > >  > >  > >>>>sh config  > >  > >  > > Firmware8 > > SRM Console:    V7.2-1          Mar  6 2000 14:47:02 > 6 > This is the latest firmware version for these boxes.  > It is on the V6.8 firmware CD. > 
 > Regards, > Dave.    Dave, I Thanks for the fast reply. When I try to run the firmware update v6.8 CD  H from August 2004, the message is that the firmware is no longer on this  CD.   0 It's good to know that we have the last version.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 07:12:22 -0800 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com@ Subject: Re: ??==TLZ10 = HP Compaq Storagworks DAT 12/24 GB DDS3B Message-ID: <1130771542.468942.44580@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>  E The second one doesn't come up.  I'm sorry but I really don't know if E one or the other will work; I've never used the PC originating Compaq E DAT drives on an Alpha.  The Compaq branded QIC drives for PCs (years F ago) would NOT work under VMS, but that doesn't mean much now.  Best ID can do is 'probably' if the SCSI interface is compatible and you areC running a recent enough version of VMS.  The one area you might run ? into problems is enabling compaction (data compression), as Bob 2 mentions in his post concerning HP branded drives.  B TLZ10s did have some firmware changes compared to the OEM SDT-9000E drives from Sony, but I've seen those OEM drives work just fine, with . compaction; they just don't show up as TLZ10s.   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 03:53:29 -0800# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> 2 Subject: Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark)C Message-ID: <1130759609.718127.197450@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF,   ; Vernon 2.1 looks great. I like the use of gold for OpenVMS.   + How soon can I buy one of the tablets?  :-)    Galen   G P.S. A thought: Why say Vernon Version when Version is sort of implicit 2 by virtue of the name Vernon's origin, right?  :-)  G P.P.S. Just don't sell him to HP. If they did buy him, he'd vanish into = the ocean-sized vortex that seems to swallow [nearly] all VMS  marketing.  :-)    Galen    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:14:14 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: Announcing Vernon version 2.1 (shark), Message-ID: <43660A8B.D2A20AE5@teksavvy.com>   Galen wrote:I > P.S. A thought: Why say Vernon Version when Version is sort of implicit 4 > by virtue of the name Vernon's origin, right?  :-)  B I got lambasted here the other time when I fixed a tiny thing in aD program without changing version number, so I decided to give Vernon proper version control :-)  I > P.P.S. Just don't sell him to HP. If they did buy him, he'd vanish into ? > the ocean-sized vortex that seems to swallow [nearly] all VMS  > marketing.  :-)   F Vernon is totally hobbyists/volunteer work. And was sourced outside ofD Digital/Compaq/HP, so they can't tell us what to do without. Heck, I2 don't think they still own the "VMS" trademark :-)  B I see Vernon pretty much like Tux is for Linux. If HP wants to useH Vernon, they can do it, but it doesn't become their property since it isG is "open sourced". Perhaps I should add some term and conditions to the C page, to make sure HP doesn't kidnap Vernon and put him in a hidden G bathtub. (Sue, tell your legal folks that I would hire Ace Ventura (Pet 8 detective) should HP decide to kidnap Vernon ... :-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:12:45 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: BIND sporadic problem ($QIO interface) + Message-ID: <4365EE1B.74784F1@teksavvy.com>   G OK, my whois utility regularly hiccups when trying to translate a whois @ server name to an IP. Trying again generally solves the problem.H Usually, the faulty server is whois.crsnic.net , but I think this is the& "big" server that serves so many TLDs.    G The $QIOW itself succeeds with a status of 1. The status block's status B has a "end of file" indicating "reccord not in database". And thisD happens right away, even though the node's resolver is set to wait 4 seconds and retry of 4.   @ I don't seem to have problems with nslookup or other utilities.   C Obviously, it could be something in my code which makes it not 100% H reliable. But when retrying the image a few seconds later with the exact same argument it works.   G I enabled tracing with the bind server and got some information which I 
 posted at # 		http://www.vaxination.ca/temp.txt R This is data from when my utility tried to resolve whois.crsnic.net unsuccesfully.  E Could anyone take a look at that log snippet  and tell me if there is H anything obvious in there ?  From that log, does it appear that the BINDF server answered positively to the request ?  Ir is the level of detail insufficient ?      E I looked at the log from before, and did find a lot of "bad referral" E messages as well as a few lame server messages. I have since SET SERV C BIND/ACCEPT=10.0.0.0:255.0.0.0.0 to restrict inbound requests to my D intranet only. Interestingly, this command does not work as SET CONF? SERV BIND/ACCEPT=etc.   And SET SERV BIND seems to span service G stop/restart, constrary to what one would think. (and one needs to stop C the service and restrt it in order for the changes to take effect). F However, if the BIDN database were corrupted, it would be consistently@ corrupted and never resolve whois.crsnic properly, as opposed toG sometimes saying t doesn't exist and most times responding succesfully.       * This is on VAX, 7.2, TCPIP Services 5.3-2.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 05:49:50 -0800( From: "pbritto" <britto.paulo@gmail.com>C Subject: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command C Message-ID: <1130766589.990861.212150@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   G I want to mount my tape drive but it's not clear to me which one of the D listed devices is my tape drive using the show devices command. I've) got an Alpha Station 500 and OpenVMS 7.2.   G How do I know which device name refers to each one of my drive/devices?   F So far I could only find out the dka400 (CD Rom) and dka0 (local disk)   Thanks in advance,  Paulo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:06:05 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>G Subject: Re: Finding out who is my Tape drive with Show devices command + Message-ID: <3smmmdFou388U1@individual.net>    pbritto wrote:I > I want to mount my tape drive but it's not clear to me which one of the F > listed devices is my tape drive using the show devices command. I've+ > got an Alpha Station 500 and OpenVMS 7.2.  > I > How do I know which device name refers to each one of my drive/devices?  > H > So far I could only find out the dka400 (CD Rom) and dka0 (local disk) >    Try    $ show device mk  ) If that doesn't work, please report back.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:49:03 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>- Subject: Poll: Web-based Chat on OpenVMS.org? 7 Message-ID: <3Wr9f.9$bU3.2009@twister.southeast.rr.com>   J Poll: If I installed a web-based chat script on OpenVMS.org would you use  it?   : http://www.openvms.org/pollbooth.php?poll=05/10/31/7064791  M By chat I mean something similar to IRC.  Interactive chat showing a list of  4 users.  You type something, submit, and it displays.       Ken   % _____________________________________  Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 3 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  HP OpenVMS News and Info   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 09:08:32 -0800+ From: "Lee Morgan" <leemorgan@ntlworld.com> 1 Subject: Re: Poll: Web-based Chat on OpenVMS.org? B Message-ID: <1130778512.291234.12730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   I definately would.   D When working out of hours and you come accross an issue that you areE unable to fix, a simple posting on the web chat may be the difference ? in resolving the issue immediately or having to wait until next B business day (depending on the support contract) for a resolution.   Good idea Ken.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 11:26:47 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Poll: Web-based Chat on OpenVMS.org? 3 Message-ID: <EmPBX1Rgtefa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <1130778512.291234.12730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Lee Morgan" <leemorgan@ntlworld.com> writes: > I definately would.  > F > When working out of hours and you come accross an issue that you areG > unable to fix, a simple posting on the web chat may be the difference A > in resolving the issue immediately or having to wait until next D > business day (depending on the support contract) for a resolution.  J I would not.  DECUServe and in a pinch comp.os.vms serve this need for me.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:51:16 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)" Subject: Re: RF/RZ26 disk question$ Message-ID: <dk4et4$g0n$1@online.de>  F In article <ecd07$4364e7ee$513b9a2c$30301@news.versatel.nl>, "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> writes:    E > Last week I was given an Alpha and a VAXstation (if you're curious: < > home.zonnet.nl/hvlems) with a lot of spare parts and CD's.0 > Among the spare parts was a hard disk labeled: >  >      |d|i|g|i|t|a|l|! >     Model RF/RZ26    P/N RZ26-E  > M > Perhaps the RF indication has always been part of the RZ26-E but now that I 4 > have DSSI capable machines the RF part is suddenlyJ > interesting. RF35 drives are bulky and low capacity. This disk, at 1 GB,  > would be quite an improvement. > The questions are: > + > (1) can this disk be used as a DSSI disk? ' > (2) if so, what jumpers must be set ?   H I have such disks, used as SCSI disks.  Presumably, with DSSI you could G have a direct connection to more than one machine.  On the other hand,  " it might be faster as a SCSI disk.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:43:40 +1300 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> V Subject: Re: Stupid newbie's error: Howto reset system's password from user's account?# Message-ID: <4365e621@clear.net.nz>    H Vlems wrote:  ' > Alternatively, boot into SYSBOOT and:  >     SET UAFALTERNATE 1 >     SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"5 > and enter Continue in SYSBOOT to get the system up. I > Note that this won't work if the previous owner did have an alternative  > authorization file installed. H > Most aren't that paranoid so thiw is very likely to work. Do note that$ > there are a few things to remember > with this method: J > (1) you'll have to enter two passwords, not necessarily the same, to getD > in (2) the SYSTEM account is not privileged by default (enable the > privileges that you need) ( > (3) you're not in SYSMGR but in SYSEXEK > (4) def/sys/exec sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat , beforem making changes to , > the characteristics of the SYSTEM account. >  > Hans > H > "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> schreef inA > bericht news:bu29f.140511$G8.6874@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk... I >> If it's an Alpha or Integrity then boot from the CD / DVD and get to a C >> DCL prompt, mount the target disc, point logicals at the UAF and K >> RIGHTSLIST, then use AUTHORIZE. I usually make a similar bootable CD for 	 >> VAXes.  >>: >> However, this seems to be an emulated (VAX) system, so: >>6 >> If you have the appropriate privileges then simply: >> >> $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM: >> $ MCR AUTHORIZEG >> UAF>MODIFY SYSTEM/PASS=<new_password>  with the optional /NOPWDL and  >> /NOPWDEXP qualifiers  >> UAF> <ctrl-Z> >> $ >>L >> If you don't have the appropriate privileges then you're going to have to > goL >> though a 'conversational boot'. There are a variety of techniques. SearchK >> the web looking for "VMS CONVERSATIONAL BOOT" and you'll see quite a few  > of= >> them. This is what I tend to do under these circumstances:  >>
 >> >>> B/R5:1  >> SYSBOOT> SET /STARTUP OPA0: >> SYSBOOT> CONTINUE >>I >> First thing is to protect against typos in the command line which will  > cause  >> you to have to start again. >>
 >> $ SET NOON  >> >> $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM: >> $ MCR AUTHORIZE >>I >> This will fail and complain that some shared image (whose name I can't K >> remember) is not installed. Note the full filename specification for the J >> image, taking careful note of the odd-looking directory syntax. becauseH >> you'll need to repeat it exactly - this is a very primitive system atD >> this point with only just enough stuff in place to get it to run. >>  >> $ INSTALL := $INSTALL/COMMAND7 >> $ INSTALL ADD <full_image_name>/OPEN/HEAD/SHARE/PROT  >>4 >> Now modify the password with AUTHORIZE (as above) >>1 >> Put the proper startup file back in place with  >> >> $ MCR SYSGEN  >> SYSGEN> USE CURRENT. >> SYSGEN> SET /STARTUP SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM >> SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT >> SYSGEN> <ctrl-Z>  >> $ >>D >> Reboot the machine (halt button or equivalent in an emulator), or6 >> continue with startup using @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM >> >> Have fun... >> >> --  >> >> Hope this helps, Colin., >> colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT ukH >> It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works. >> >>  L Thanks everybody.  It's great knowing that the damage isn't irreparable, and< I can get myself out of the hole I let myself get into.  :-)   Thanks  
 Wesley Parish  --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 07:45:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) V Subject: Re: Stupid newbie's error: Howto reset system's password from user's account?3 Message-ID: <a6L$iNxmI2li@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <ce368$436509a8$513b9a2c$3582@news.versatel.nl>, "H Vlems" <nospam@what.ever.com> writes:' > Alternatively, boot into SYSBOOT and:  >     SET UAFALTERNATE 1 >     SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"  B    This would not work on any system I have secured, unless you do0    happen to know the SYSTEM password in UAFALT.  3    But the other techniques from the FAQ will work.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:11:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? , Message-ID: <4365C388.E939BB98@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:I > In this case, the issue was FUD coming from a Solaris advocate.  Cannot H > this be discussed without regurgatating over and over the mistreatmentF > of VMS by DEC/Compaq/HP?  There is more than enough of that already!    G The FUD happens, the FUD sticks, and the FUD hurts because we know that ) attacks against VMS go undefended by its   onwer.  G People don't care about FUD on Windows because they know that Microsoft C will fight it back, produce all sorts of white papers showing thatr E Windows costs less than Linux and market its way to monopoly.  FUD on K widnows has little impact because there is so much marketing to counter it.   8 FUD on VMS hurts because there is nothing to counter it.  ' So yes, my post was very much on topic.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 06:07:53 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? 3 Message-ID: <bYjyyT9EY5IJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4365C388.E939BB98@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  : > FUD on VMS hurts because there is nothing to counter it. > ) > So yes, my post was very much on topic.   = Non-technical aspects of HP handling of VMS are discussed at:   3 	http://groups.google.com/group/systems-support-vms    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:36:52 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Trolling for business? , Message-ID: <43660FD8.6FEFC927@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:? > Non-technical aspects of HP handling of VMS are discussed at:  > < >         http://groups.google.com/group/systems-support-vms  / First, you should add me back to your killfile.   ) Second, I despise HTTP based discussions.   H Third, why can't we discuss the business side of VMS here ?  We want VMS to succeed.   H If you want only technical discussions and can't bring yourself to avoidG obvious subjects, then perhaps YOU should move to web based forums such  as HP's ITRC thing.   C If someone has a discussion about some feature I don't use, I don't 4 complain here that the posts are not relevant to me.  E In the same vein, if there is a VMS discussion which doesn't interest % you, you shouldn't complain about it.   B Perhaps you are lucky enough to have assured revenus from your VMS@ endeavours, and none of your clients or employer are planning onF dropping VMS, and you feel that you can securely work on VMS until youH die, then you are very lucky. Not everyone is in such shoes. And perhapsH none of the systems which you help build have been replaced with Windows or Solaris in recent years.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 07:39:37 -0800( From: "Lawrie" <stroker_ace@hotmail.com>J Subject: Re: UCX performance on VMS 6.2 - Unexpected rise in CPU usage....C Message-ID: <1130773177.172259.139400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   2 Most messages are around 70 to 80 bytes in length.   Cheers   Lawrie   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:10:30 +1300 1 From: Tux Wonder-Dog <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz>  Subject: Re: VMS? # Message-ID: <4365ec85@clear.net.nz>    Zach wrote:   6 > Is there a free version of VMS that will run on x86?  K There is an Operating System called FreeVMS, it's built on top of a heavily + modified Linux 2.4 kernel; forwarded email:  "  Hi   New release 0.1.14 at F ftp.nvg.ntnu.no:/pub/vms/freevms (freevms-0_1_14.tgz and linker-0_1_6)   News: K Some libgetef changes and tests for event flag and item code (from Tucker). I New process JOB_CONTROL which can take unsolicited input to new terminal. ? CMUIP telnet to another FreeVMS node (but not Linux) works now.  New Bliss compiler, 0.114.   Bugs fixed: F Not proper use of event flags for asn_wth_mbx, RMS, XQP and other I/O.( Misc fixes and making exe$sndevmsg work.= Some return value words in long word was swapped in mbdriver.  Postef reset the event flag.0 Con$startio did not always reset ucb write flag.; A used terminal started creprc if it got unsolicited input. H Udp input (broadcast from somewhere) made stack write outside its place.) Bliss bug fixes are noted in Bliss HOWTO.    New bugs/features: Probably some.   Notes:
 And still:5 Rename close to close2 in routines.b32 (temporarily). < To run the telnet client, do something like sh sys, and then" run /vms$common/sysexe/telnet.ele.   Regards,
 Roar Thronæs / _______________________________________________  FreeVMS mailing list FreeVMS@systella.fr < http://rayleigh.systella.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freevms "   L It's still alpha; there's a heap of stuff still to be done.  So for the time being, it's only experimental.   But, the more the merrier. ;)  > H > Can someone recommend a good free book/guide/tutorial on VMS as both a! > user and sys admin perspective?    I was recommended:0 http://eisner.decus.org/vms/vmsfaq_contents.html  ) It's got a heap of links to useful sites.  >  > Zach   Share and Enjoy! ;)   
 Wesley Parish  --  O "Good, late in to more rewarding well."  "Well, you tonight.  And I was U lookintelligent woman of Ming home.  I trust you with a tender silence."  I C get a word into my hands, a different and unbelike, probably - 'she D fortunate fat woman', wrong word.  I think to me, I justupid.G Let not emacs meta-X dissociate-press write your romantic dialogs...!!!    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 04:07:35 -0800 From: "Zach" <netrek@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: VMS? C Message-ID: <1130760455.562767.157140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Tux Wonder-Dog wrote:  [...]    Thanks Wesley!   Zach   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:24:31 GMT / From: Clay M. Denton <denton@orison.dsserv.com> B Subject: Re: Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision8 Message-ID: <45sbm1l5ia4m07lt49v5lrrfafb9mn46ri@4ax.com>  U DECUS was never a worldwide organization - it was a worldwide affiliation of separate 2 organizations - subtle but significant difference.  Y Encompass US has moved - appropriately so- beyond the scope of "Digital heritage" - which 7 is becoming more difficult to discern as time moves on.    Clay  S On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:31:21 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.sopamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    >"Clay M. Denton" wrote:\ >> any incumbents - esp. the current president.  We need to regain a user group - as opposed8 >> to what Encompass has become - a trade show company.  >  > F >In light of what happened to Interex USA, I would think that ensuringD >DECUS (or whatever name it has this week) does not rely on a singleH >event to survive and that it does not jeoperdize its own existance when- >it undertakes a project such as a symposium.  >  > B >And when you consider that the premier event for VMS is now Sue'sH >BootCamp, there is even less relevance to a DECUS symposium (or whevere& >name DECUS operates under this week). >  > G >The fact that that organisation did not return to "DECUS" once HP took H >over the Compaq cadaver is an indication to me that they have yet to doH >a lot of soul searching with regards to defining their mission. Do theyD >still want to be a user group that caters to every customer of HP ? >(despite Interex and Itug) ?  > H >If they want to focus on being a usergroup catering to Digital-heritageG >customers, then they should return to DECUS and focus their efforts so F >that they excell in a few areas instead of being bland in many areas. >  > H >And I say this not just at the USA usergroup, but as a worldwide thing.I >Remember that DECUS used to be a worldwide organisation. And despite the F >internet making unification much easier, that worldwide feeling isn'tD >there anymore (partly because of lack of a single consistant name).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:27:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: Why I will vote against the Encompass Bylaws Revision, Message-ID: <4365FFB2.819A19B0@teksavvy.com>   "Clay M. Denton" wrote:  > W > DECUS was never a worldwide organization - it was a worldwide affiliation of separate 4 > organizations - subtle but significant difference.    F It had a common worldwide name, logo, branding and there was a centralF coordination of all worldwide chapters. There was a coordinatoer DECUSB membership number scheme (digital 3 digit country code followed by country specific numbering).  G And DECUS chapters around the world shared common "raison d'tre" which @ was to support users of Digital Equipment Corporation equipment,G software and services. And even if the USA wanted some isolation, there H was still a lot of communications between other chapters. There was some' sharing of membership software as well.       G The breaking up of the DECUS branding had greatly reduced the value and E power of that once formidable organisation, especially at a time when G the user base is shrinking and it would have been greatly beneficial to H move chapters closer together to help ensure their survival, or at least3 have other chapters fill in when one chapter fails.    G DECUS has a lot of heritage, history and respect.  It is a damned shame G that it was actively destroyed just to please a few Compaq execs. DECUS @ should have  convinced those execs to let DECUS live as "DECUS".H Instead, DECUS folder to their every requests, fearing loss of support. F I saw what happened in Canada.  The ability to winde and dine with top@ Compaq brass seemed more important than saving the organisation.  F Instead of focusing on providing services to members and showing valueC to Compaq, those folks focused on promising lots of things to those @ Compaq execs and never focused on running the user group itself.    A go to www.encompass.org and what do you get ?   Talk about failed H branding. And canada did worse and named itself "canacu" for a while and8 now encompass, but again, what do you get when you go to www.encompass.ca ?    G All of the DECUS branding was there, the domain names were ours, and it  was all sqandered.    G At a time when the constituancy is not growing, one main country should D not seek to isolate itself from other countries. Even if it wants toF work by itself, it should not sqander the one brand that all the other( chapters relied upon to attract members.  F And under HP, the refusal to return to DECUS is even more stupid sinceH there is already a user group catering to HP's constituancy, and in manyB countries, ITUG still exists to cater to the Tandem constituancy.   E It is OK for all these groups to work together from an administrative H point of view and perhaps share even venues etc, but the branding shouldH have remained the same. IBM had different usergroups for DOS/VSE, VM andH MVS.  HP can have different user groups for HP/Digital/Tandem heritages.    C Furthermore, the refusal to return to DECUS also indicates the same H mentality as "plan of record" which HP had, promising to continue all of? Compaq,s policies with regards to Alpha and VMS (eg: kill it).  H Returning to DECUS would close the Compaq nightmare and signify a return> towards the good old days with an albeit smaller DECUS family.    G The fact that the premier VMS even is not organised outside of whatever E DECUS is called this week is a damned good indication of how relevant G that organisation has become. www.openvms.org is more relevant to DECUS G members than whatever web site address your organisation has this week.     G Yes, symposia are a great way to save money. But they should be seen as C an "add-on" to the user group with core user group functions taking H priority. Without a user group, you won't get many people attending yourF events.  An organisation that focuses on some exhibition has a mailingG list. A user group has a membership list.  A usergroup must bring value F to membership. Not just invitation to some annual event in some hotel.  B An most importantly, the board is there to serve and represent itsE members. It isn't there to organise events that raise enough money to A pay for the board's travels, dinners, cigars etc. (not making any A accusatiosn agaisn US board members here, my experience is with a F different chapter where I saw that happen. Heck, I even saw a dinosaurE DECUS rep convince the board that it would be good to make a one week E symposium on Y2K to run in november 1999 - Of about 6-8 people, I was G the only one to object to this, all others said "yes" without thinking. F They were just thinking about the free dinner they were about to get.)   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 08:02:50 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP , Message-ID: <4365cfaa$1@news.langstoeger.at>  g In article <dk3kg6$s1r$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >I couldn't find= >the details www.oracle.com/rdb doesn't seem to work anymore?   4 www.oracle.com/rdb works for me and redirects you to8 http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 06:11:41 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 3 Message-ID: <Yx6mZJqy55$6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <4365cfaa$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: i > In article <dk3kg6$s1r$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >>I couldn't find > >>the details www.oracle.com/rdb doesn't seem to work anymore? > 6 > www.oracle.com/rdb works for me and redirects you to  D It redirects me to http://www.oracle.com/errors/500.html with either+ Netscape Communicator or Internet Explorer.   : > http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html  * That page shows up if I enter it directly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:04:45 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch># Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP + Message-ID: <3smj3eFp356bU1@individual.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:g > In article <4365cfaa$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  > i >>In article <dk3kg6$s1r$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >> >>>I couldn't find? >>>the details www.oracle.com/rdb doesn't seem to work anymore?  >>6 >>www.oracle.com/rdb works for me and redirects you to >  > F > It redirects me to http://www.oracle.com/errors/500.html with either- > Netscape Communicator or Internet Explorer.    Add Safari and Firefox to that.    > : >>http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html >  > , > That page shows up if I enter it directly.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 07:27:06 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 3 Message-ID: <GAD0uEVKBUb3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <1130582958.031245.196570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Max" <max.jarvis@gb.schneider-electric.com> writes:I > Hi Bob, thanks for your reply. Have you any ideas about the name of the + > advanced device driver book you mention?    F    The book is either in my desk in my other office, or at home.  I'll.    try to rememeber to post the name and ISBN.  E    It is not a part of the VMS documentation set, but was printed by  H    Digital Press.  I don't know if it's in print, but you may be able to*    pick up a used copy via Amazon or such.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 07:31:44 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 3 Message-ID: <wfh4LEa7xuMn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <1130582704.670833.217750@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Max" <max.jarvis@gb.schneider-electric.com> writes:I > Hi Larry, thanks for your kind reply. Actually I'm new to VMS, and what H > I'm doing is porting a real-time system to VMS from RSX-11M (father ofH > VMS). Don't know whether you remember RSX... In RSX, writing an ACP isG > an efficient way of implementing a client-server arrangement. What we F > do is this: invent an imaginary device (we call them pseudo-devices)H > and write a driver and an ACP for it. The driver does nothing but wakeH > up the ACP process, which is the server. The client processes ('tasks'I > in RSX) communicate with the server by doing QIOs to the pseudo-device. G > Data transfer can be in either direction, depending on whether it's a H > read QIO or a write QIO. This is the functionality I need to implementI > in VMS. From my reading of the manuals, the alternative to using an ACP F > seems to be to use mailboxes, but that doesn't sound as efficient: IH > reckon you'd need a mailbox for the server and one for each client (ofI > which there might be dozens), and each transaction would involve 4 QIOs E > (client sends request, server receives request, server sends reply, A > client receives reply) whereas with an ACP there's only one QIO - > involved. Any advice gratefully received...   G    This sounds like something that could be done via an ACP on VMS.  It L    might also be done via combinations of shared memeory sections, doorbell D    locks, thread calls, mailboxes, DECnet mailboxes, IP sockets, ...  G    In short, you don't have to write a device driver and ACP unless you     really want to.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 07:33:20 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 3 Message-ID: <ftFKYYxPeGeV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <ipCdnRrXCtfnYf7eRVn-iQ@rcn.net>, Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> writes:F > I suggest "Advanced Device Driver Techniques" by Hanrahan and Leahy,G > professional press. Suspect it is not in print now but old copies are 
 > worthwhile. D > Jamie submitted the example software from the book to the sigtapes& > around the time of publication also.  %    That's the book I was thinking of.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 07:34:47 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 3 Message-ID: <WcKoqntiUQpr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <43645699.4ACC79EB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > danco@ns2.pebble.org wrote: C >> > And VAX Macro is the only language that comes "free" with VMS.  >>  B >> Unless one has a large investment in _existing_ MACRO32 code toC >> perpetuate, then I don't think it would be a good idea to create  >> more. >  > E > Then the owners of VMS must provide an alternative language that is I > garanteed to be available on all systems, including those still running  > on VAx 5.5-2 etc.        BLISS.  Free.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 07:38:48 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 3 Message-ID: <PGrg$BDne+om@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <HSDzKnY+iWQP@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: V > In article <3sk3s5Fopct3U1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: >> Larry Kilgallen wrote:  > J >>> I do not think so.  I looked into PERL and found that one must install, >>> something else to put it onto a machine. >>>  >>  G >> I don't see any software prerequisites with the HP supplied version:  >>  Z >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_perl_relnotes_20.html#prereq > E > You need to install a PERL kit, which is not likely to be installed D > at most sites.  The original discussion started with discussion of; > what people could depend on existing on all VMS systems.,  >   G    The OP wanted something which would be available all the way back to G    VMS 5.5-2. Anything other than Macro-32 would require an install for      any version prior to VMS 8.3.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:53:03 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP * Message-ID: <43662FCF.7020300@bigpond.com>  ! Bob Koehler was overheard to say: z > In article <1130582958.031245.196570@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Max" <max.jarvis@gb.schneider-electric.com> writes: > I >>Hi Bob, thanks for your reply. Have you any ideas about the name of the + >>advanced device driver book you mention?   >  > H >    The book is either in my desk in my other office, or at home.  I'll0 >    try to rememeber to post the name and ISBN. > G >    It is not a part of the VMS documentation set, but was printed by  J >    Digital Press.  I don't know if it's in print, but you may be able to, >    pick up a used copy via Amazon or such.  % VMS Advanced Device Driver Techniques    Jamie E Hanrahan & Lee Leahy September 1988 ISBN 0-9614729-5-2$ Copyright 1988 by Professional Press   Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 09:36:44 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 3 Message-ID: <sCZZcHgEheRi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <fj9cm1lokfdlidj9aib7dg3sk6kiuq7d0q@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:O > On 31 Oct 2005 06:11:41 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  > g >>In article <4365cfaa$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: k >>> In article <dk3kg6$s1r$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >>>>I couldn't find @ >>>>the details www.oracle.com/rdb doesn't seem to work anymore? >>> 8 >>> www.oracle.com/rdb works for me and redirects you to >>F >>It redirects me to http://www.oracle.com/errors/500.html with either- >>Netscape Communicator or Internet Explorer.  >>< >>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html >>, >>That page shows up if I enter it directly. > Q > Oddly enough  www.oracle.com/rdb works for me under IE but with Mozilla Firefox J > I get the same error as Larry. If I enter  www.oracle.com/rdb/ (with the$ > terminating "/") it works in both.  A On Netscape Communicator if I enter www.oracle.com/rdb/ (with the 4 terminating "/") it redirects me to the mostly blank  % 	http://www.oracle.com/rdb/index.html    Manual entry of   9 	http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html   % shows me a page with lots of content.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:12:29 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch># Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP + Message-ID: <3sn1jtFp0ojnU1@individual.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:^ > In article <fj9cm1lokfdlidj9aib7dg3sk6kiuq7d0q@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: > O >>On 31 Oct 2005 06:11:41 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  >> >>h >>>In article <4365cfaa$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: >>> k >>>>In article <dk3kg6$s1r$1@news-02.connect.com.au>, "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> writes:  >>>> >>>>>I couldn't findA >>>>>the details www.oracle.com/rdb doesn't seem to work anymore?  >>>>8 >>>>www.oracle.com/rdb works for me and redirects you to >>> G >>>It redirects me to http://www.oracle.com/errors/500.html with either . >>>Netscape Communicator or Internet Explorer. >>>  >>> < >>>>http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html >>> - >>>That page shows up if I enter it directly.  >>Q >>Oddly enough  www.oracle.com/rdb works for me under IE but with Mozilla Firefox J >>I get the same error as Larry. If I enter  www.oracle.com/rdb/ (with the$ >>terminating "/") it works in both. >  > C > On Netscape Communicator if I enter www.oracle.com/rdb/ (with the 6 > terminating "/") it redirects me to the mostly blank > ' > 	http://www.oracle.com/rdb/index.html  >  > Manual entry of  > ; > 	http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html  > ' > shows me a page with lots of content.   @ Same here, though when I enabled Javascript in Firefox (yeah, I 4 know...), the first url redirected me to the second.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 11:25:05 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 3 Message-ID: <P3+6L5snkdYq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <3sn1jtFp0ojnU1@individual.net>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:  D >> On Netscape Communicator if I enter www.oracle.com/rdb/ (with the7 >> terminating "/") it redirects me to the mostly blank  >>  ( >> 	http://www.oracle.com/rdb/index.html >>   >> Manual entry of >>  < >> 	http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/rdb/index.html >>  ( >> shows me a page with lots of content. > B > Same here, though when I enabled Javascript in Firefox (yeah, I 6 > know...), the first url redirected me to the second.  E So we can conclude that Oracle does not want to attract those who are  security-conscious.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 09:55:45 -0800( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net># Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP C Message-ID: <1130781345.640817.120130@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ' "...noddy top level."?   what is Noddy?    thanks   denny    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:18:46 +0100 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch># Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP + Message-ID: <3sn5g7Fp0b75U1@individual.net>    denny wrote:) > "...noddy top level."?   what is Noddy?  >   1 In this context, UK English for extremely simple.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:03:48 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> # Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP 8 Message-ID: <a2ocm1pe5j4loi7ploroadk387pp00vbam@4ax.com>  H On 31 Oct 2005 09:55:45 -0800, "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net> wrote:  ( >"...noddy top level."?   what is Noddy?  / He is called "Oui Oui" in France. Try a Google.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2005 10:21:43 -0800( From: "denny" <denny_rich@ameritech.net># Subject: Re: Writing an OpenVMS ACP B Message-ID: <1130782903.578638.76870@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  E Ah yes.  what was the quote?  "....two peoples, separated by a common  language..."  :-)    thanks   (i hope i got that quote right)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.608 ************************                                  A:@3O=!tj)
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