1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 20 Aug 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 464       Contents: Re: 7.3 supported ethernetD Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed rangesD Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed rangesD Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed rangesI Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! I Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! I Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! P Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! run VMP Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! run VMP Re: How many files can you have in a VMS directory without performance problems?2 Re: OSU Webserver and NETSERVER.LOG files question2 Re: OSU Webserver and NETSERVER.LOG files question2 Re: OSU Webserver and NETSERVER.LOG files question! simh VMS networking under Windows  Re: SYSMAN vs SYSGEN Re: Vax/VMS Calculator Re: VMS as a SMTP client! Re: What is the official status ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:27:07 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> # Subject: Re: 7.3 supported ethernet 7 Message-ID: <8660a3a1050820092734be6da3@mail.gmail.com>   4 On 8/20/05, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > Adam Stouffer wrote:K > > Anyone have a list of supported ethernet cards other than the DE500 and L > > tulip cards? Or does that cover it ;) I'm gathering parts for a PC164 b= ox.  > >  > >  > > Adam >=20J > There are the DE600 cards, and then the 4-port cards, don't remember the	 > number.  >=20 > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >=20  & The somewhat logically named DE504.=20  L (If the DE504 has 4 ports, how many ports should we infer that a DE500 has?= )    WWWebb --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:09:22 -0500 . From: Duncan Brown <brown_du@eisner.decus.org>M Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed ranges 2 Message-ID: <OemdnSVkwan5kpreRVn-jw@speakeasy.net>   Dave Froble wrote:  J > Like you said, if you're going to run a system, might as well make it a  > good one.  :-) > G > This is a wild ass guess.  I'm not up to speed on some of the larger  E > systems.  Would the power supplies be an issue?  Might the 533 MHz  ; > boards need more/different power than the 400 MHz boards?   ? Speaking of making it a good one - I have all 3 power supplies  D installed!  If it needs different power supplies, I haven't found a F reference to that.  It's just that I see processor upgrades mentioned E between the two speeds of any given "flavor" of 4100 system, but not  A between flavors, which has me wondering if there is some obscure  G difference, like a set of backplane termination circuits that is tuned  / to the expected processor speeds, or something.   G I installed DECevent and perused the error log a bit.  (Wow, that sure  D goes into scary amounts of detail, compared to the last VMS version I where I studied an error log... I think if I had parked illegally in the  G last day, there would have been a line mentioning it in the error log!)   I The time it crashed after about an hour, it looks like it did so because  H of an "Invalid Time Queue Entry Format" whatever that means.  The crash H after over a day of uptime left no such clue.  There were no entries in E the error log from processor boards in trouble, or anything.  Just a  ) bunch of timestamps and then the reboots.   E Note that I can't rule out bad hardware.  This stuff came from ebay,  E after all...  But I thought a multiprocessor machine was supposed to  F flag and disable bad boards, not just mysteriously crash.  And when I D started googling on the subject, I could find *nothing* that talked B about upgrading from a 400MHz board to a 533MHz board in the same F machine...and an old post of Hoff's that talked about backplane speed I differences between the 5/300 and the 5/400... so I began to think maybe  B I had done something disallowed, in swapping in the faster boards.   Duncan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:26:24 -0600 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>M Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed ranges * Message-ID: <430759B0.CF59879A@oracle.com>  B for certain install all the available VMS patches.  it is entirelyA possible that you've changed timing on the system enough to cause D problems that have already been fixed.  the TQE format bugcheck sure( makes me suspect something in that area.   Duncan Brown wrote:  >  > Dave Froble wrote: > K > > Like you said, if you're going to run a system, might as well make it a  > > good one.  :-) > > H > > This is a wild ass guess.  I'm not up to speed on some of the largerF > > systems.  Would the power supplies be an issue?  Might the 533 MHz= > > boards need more/different power than the 400 MHz boards?  > @ > Speaking of making it a good one - I have all 3 power suppliesE > installed!  If it needs different power supplies, I haven't found a G > reference to that.  It's just that I see processor upgrades mentioned F > between the two speeds of any given "flavor" of 4100 system, but notB > between flavors, which has me wondering if there is some obscureH > difference, like a set of backplane termination circuits that is tuned1 > to the expected processor speeds, or something.  > H > I installed DECevent and perused the error log a bit.  (Wow, that sureE > goes into scary amounts of detail, compared to the last VMS version J > where I studied an error log... I think if I had parked illegally in theI > last day, there would have been a line mentioning it in the error log!)  > J > The time it crashed after about an hour, it looks like it did so becauseI > of an "Invalid Time Queue Entry Format" whatever that means.  The crash I > after over a day of uptime left no such clue.  There were no entries in F > the error log from processor boards in trouble, or anything.  Just a+ > bunch of timestamps and then the reboots.  > F > Note that I can't rule out bad hardware.  This stuff came from ebay,F > after all...  But I thought a multiprocessor machine was supposed toG > flag and disable bad boards, not just mysteriously crash.  And when I E > started googling on the subject, I could find *nothing* that talked C > about upgrading from a 400MHz board to a 533MHz board in the same G > machine...and an old post of Hoff's that talked about backplane speed J > differences between the 5/300 and the 5/400... so I began to think maybeD > I had done something disallowed, in swapping in the faster boards. >  > Duncan   --  	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:41:29 -0500 . From: Duncan Brown <brown_du@eisner.decus.org>M Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 CPU speed upgrade and/or backplane speed ranges G Message-ID: <5P6dnZ2dnZ1sAZuhnZ2dnafAmt6dnZ2dRVn-z52dnZ0@speakeasy.net>    Norman Lastovica wrote:   D > for certain install all the available VMS patches.  it is entirelyC > possible that you've changed timing on the system enough to cause F > problems that have already been fixed.  the TQE format bugcheck sure* > makes me suspect something in that area.  H Hmm, good point.  I was so convinced I had done a hardware no-no that I F didn't think about having tripped up on some latent VMS problem.  I'd F still like to hear some voice (or PDF file...) of authority bless the E basic concept of putting a 533MHz CPU board in a box that originally   came with 400MHz ones, though.  F (Heading out to take my son off to his first year of college [!] so I J won't get back to this for a few days...man I feel old all of a sudden...)   Duncan   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Aug 2005 13:16:22 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)R Subject: Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS!, Message-ID: <3moop5F17aa3tU1@individual.net>  ; In article <ViDNe.6374$jr4.2570@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, + 	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote:; >> This is again a huge opportunity for VMS ... will HP and = >> Cerner and other VMS vendors take advantage of it?  Forget 2 >> HP but hopefully compnaies like Cerner will ... > I > One thing I noticed at the start of the current outbreak was the large  G > proportion of incoming emailed viruses from compromised systems with  H > .mil addresses. Presumably there's a lot of Windows 2000 systems been  > hit in that domain.   B Or like most modern viruses it just means the infected machine has@ a .mil address in it's addressbook.  Most of the emailed virusesC are .exe, .com, .pif, etc. DOS Executables.  Mailservers within the @ .mil domain will strip theses off and refuse to send them.  ThatD change went into effect over two years ago.  There are also no rogueB machines on MILNet as they do not allow the connection of personalD machines and users don't have administrator priviledges and so can'tE reduce the security of the systems.  Machines on .mil are locked down E oretty well.  Well enough that it often interferes with their ability  to actually do work.  :-)    bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:27:12 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGR Subject: Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS!0 Message-ID: <00A488F1.CF4A8DF8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <3moop5F17aa3tU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: < >In article <ViDNe.6374$jr4.2570@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,, >	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: >>   >>   >> bob@instantwhip.com wrote: < >>> This is again a huge opportunity for VMS ... will HP and> >>> Cerner and other VMS vendors take advantage of it?  Forget3 >>> HP but hopefully compnaies like Cerner will ...  >>  J >> One thing I noticed at the start of the current outbreak was the large H >> proportion of incoming emailed viruses from compromised systems with I >> .mil addresses. Presumably there's a lot of Windows 2000 systems been   >> hit in that domain. > C >Or like most modern viruses it just means the infected machine has A >a .mil address in it's addressbook.  Most of the emailed viruses D >are .exe, .com, .pif, etc. DOS Executables.  Mailservers within theB >..mil domain will strip theses off and refuse to send them.  ThatE >change went into effect over two years ago.  There are also no rogue C >machines on MILNet as they do not allow the connection of personal E >machines and users don't have administrator priviledges and so can't F >reduce the security of the systems.  Machines on .mil are locked downF >oretty well.  Well enough that it often interferes with their ability >to actually do work.  :-)  G Perhaps now.  In 1994 when I left, PeeCee were being connected left and F right.  All email went through a large VAXcluster but the filtering of messages was not done.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------   Date: 20 Aug 2005 13:55:50 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)R Subject: Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS!, Message-ID: <3mor36F186u4iU1@individual.net>  0 In article <00A488F1.CF4A8DF8@sendspamhere.org>,# 	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: Y > In article <3moop5F17aa3tU1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: = >>In article <ViDNe.6374$jr4.2570@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, - >>	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >>>  >>>  >>> bob@instantwhip.com wrote:= >>>> This is again a huge opportunity for VMS ... will HP and ? >>>> Cerner and other VMS vendors take advantage of it?  Forget 4 >>>> HP but hopefully compnaies like Cerner will ... >>> K >>> One thing I noticed at the start of the current outbreak was the large  I >>> proportion of incoming emailed viruses from compromised systems with  J >>> .mil addresses. Presumably there's a lot of Windows 2000 systems been  >>> hit in that domain.  >>D >>Or like most modern viruses it just means the infected machine hasB >>a .mil address in it's addressbook.  Most of the emailed virusesE >>are .exe, .com, .pif, etc. DOS Executables.  Mailservers within the C >>..mil domain will strip theses off and refuse to send them.  That F >>change went into effect over two years ago.  There are also no rogueD >>machines on MILNet as they do not allow the connection of personalF >>machines and users don't have administrator priviledges and so can'tG >>reduce the security of the systems.  Machines on .mil are locked down G >>oretty well.  Well enough that it often interferes with their ability  >>to actually do work.  :-)  > I > Perhaps now.  In 1994 when I left, PeeCee were being connected left and H > right.  All email went through a large VAXcluster but the filtering of > messages was not done.    B Yeah, but we're not talking about 1994.  We're talking about a few@ days ago.  And someone tried to say that there is no security onE MILNet. I have considerably more knowledge of that subject and merely E corrected the mistake.  Windows boxes can be secured.  Of course, the E more secure you make them the less functional they become.  On MILNet D PC's are not seen as general purpose toys.  They are tools for doingF specific jobs and the security reflects that.  Most MILNet sites blockB large portions of the INTERNET from browsing, including sites likeD Google and Yahoo as they have nothing to do with the DOD mission.  IF still receive piles of messages everyday claiming some message of mineD was refused because it was infected.  All of them come from places IE have never sent an Email to.  While it may look from the outside like E I have an infected machine, I don't.  It's the old american passtime,  blame the victim.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:08:53 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>Y Subject: Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! run VM ; Message-ID: <ViDNe.6374$jr4.2570@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:: > This is again a huge opportunity for VMS ... will HP and< > Cerner and other VMS vendors take advantage of it?  Forget1 > HP but hopefully compnaies like Cerner will ...   G One thing I noticed at the start of the current outbreak was the large  E proportion of incoming emailed viruses from compromised systems with  F .mil addresses. Presumably there's a lot of Windows 2000 systems been  hit in that domain.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:56:37 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>Y Subject: Re: Cerner hopefully is using Zotob to show why hospitals should run VMS! run VM ; Message-ID: <9hJNe.6190$5m3.4740@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:   > D > Or like most modern viruses it just means the infected machine hasB > a .mil address in it's addressbook.  Most of the emailed virusesE > are .exe, .com, .pif, etc. DOS Executables.  Mailservers within the C > ..mil domain will strip theses off and refuse to send them.  That F > change went into effect over two years ago.  There are also no rogueD > machines on MILNet as they do not allow the connection of personalF > machines and users don't have administrator priviledges and so can'tG > reduce the security of the systems.  Machines on .mil are locked down G > oretty well.  Well enough that it often interferes with their ability  > to actually do work.  :-)   F That's all fine and well in theory but it wasn't the from address I'm F talking about. I mean that SMTP trace info identified a .mil address. E The actual from address itself was faked. I'm am assuming someone is  G getting their butt kicked. There was no active payload in the received  A messages so they may have been stripped by the .mil mail server.  E Unfortunately I always delete incoming crap or else I'd identify the  " addresses to you in private email.   > bill >      --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:57:33 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)Y Subject: Re: How many files can you have in a VMS directory without performance problems? $ Message-ID: <de72at$hfh$1@online.de>  3 In article <zXrucVAZ42g5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ! briggs@encompasserve.org writes:    J > One common approach is to put files into a directory tree.  If the namesC > are constructed right, you might be able to harvest the first two ? > characters in the file name to be a directory tree position.   >  > e.g. > " > TY6WDGT.DAT => [.T.Y]TY6WDGT.DAT" > W9QRXAG.DAT => [.W.9]W9QRXAG.DAT > A > And now you're down to less than 1000 files per directory.  You H > can expand or shrink any given directory in a maximum of 2 disk I/O's.F > And you can figure out which directory to use by a simple inspection > of the file name.   < Good idea.  I don't run into this problem with any of my ownE applications, but do with VMS MAIL.  By default, everything is in one > directory.  However, one can have more than one MAIL file, andG distribute these (and their corresponding MAIL$* files) among different F directories (or even different disks (though the main mail file has toE be under SYS$LOGIN somewhere)).  What I do is have subdirectories for D different letters of the alphabet, and the main mail files and theirE associated files are in the corresponding directory.  Defining a few  . keys in MAUL$KEYDEF.INI makes navigation easy.  " MAIL> spa dir/gra [helbig.mail...]  + Grand total of 25 directories, 56918 files.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:56:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: OSU Webserver and NETSERVER.LOG files question + Message-ID: <4306C5D7.35825A7@teksavvy.com>    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:< >    I looked at a bunch of the log files and one consistant> > thing is that they each have served 25 connect requests - so@ > it appears there's a setting somewhere that tells NETSERVER toD > open a new log file after serving each 25th request - the question; > remains whether or not I can modify that setting somehow.   G I just peeked at the netserver.exe binary and it seems to have nust the < netserver$timeout logical name. very few text strings in it.  D But take a look at sys$system:netserver.com , you will find the code that limits to 25.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Aug 2005 22:57:00 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ; Subject: Re: OSU Webserver and NETSERVER.LOG files question , Message-ID: <6yuIm+dsCCYd@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <6GSg7sFIDAQ2@malvm9.mala.bc.ca>,  6    nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:   > < >    I looked at a bunch of the log files and one consistant> > thing is that they each have served 25 connect requests - so@ > it appears there's a setting somewhere that tells NETSERVER toD > open a new log file after serving each 25th request - the question; > remains whether or not I can modify that setting somehow.  >   D    To follow up on my own post, I looked in SYS$SYSTEM:NETSERVER.COM and found the following line:   7 $ IF PERMANENT_NETSERVER_COUNTER .LT. 25 THEN GOTO LOOP   F   so I can presumably change the number of iterations before a new logF file is created by editing this file, but then the change will be lost$ whenever I install a DECNET upgrade.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:12:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ; Subject: Re: OSU Webserver and NETSERVER.LOG files question * Message-ID: <4306C9C2.8B1982@teksavvy.com>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:9 > $ IF PERMANENT_NETSERVER_COUNTER .LT. 25 THEN GOTO LOOP  > H >   so I can presumably change the number of iterations before a new logH > file is created by editing this file, but then the change will be lost& > whenever I install a DECNET upgrade.  G Or you could simply include a RUN NETSERVER.EXE in your script and loop D yourself. netserver.com would only see one execution and not run out	 after 25.   A However, looking at netserver.com and netserver.exe, how does the 5 command procedure of your network object get called ?   E I woudl have though perhaps netserver.exe would set a symbol and then A netserver.com would call the command proceudre pointed to by that E symbol, but that isn't the case. Is there a magic system service that B allows an image to schedule execution of a dcl command procedure ?   (or is it spawned ?)  F If netserver.exe spawns a subprocess to execute the command procedure,C then you can't run netserver.exe in your command procedure since it 3 would create a huge tree of subprocesses over time.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:17:26 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>* Subject: simh VMS networking under Windows; Message-ID: <GAJNe.10076$Il.2398@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   G If anyone wants to run VMS under Simh on Windows XP and give it access  C to the host PCs IP here's a little trick to do it without using an  F external NAT router - although it does need three network connections.  B 1) Connect Windows to broadband normally on one port (example USB)9 2) Setup an ethernet card bound to IP protocol in Windows K 3) Setup another ethernet card bound to nothing (untick IP, Client for etc) ? 4) Enable Windows Internet Connection sharing on the broadband  H connection with the local LAN set as the ethernet card bound only to IP.; 5) Connect a crossover cable between the two ethernet ports 1 6) Attach XQ to the unbound Ethernet card in simh H 7) Boot VMS and configure TCPIP via dhcp (static address in same subnet 8 Windows uses for Shared LAN would probably work as well)F 8) In Windows Firewall define any incoming services you want to reach  VMS (ftp, telnet etc)   H The surprising bit (to me!) is that Windows XP seems perfectly happy to A perform NAT routing for non-Windows hosts. I had assumed Windows  ? Internet Connection Sharing was proprietary but it seems to be   straightforward dhcp and NAT.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:06:38 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: SYSMAN vs SYSGEN $ Message-ID: <de72rt$hfh$2@online.de>  5 In article <4303D6E7.3725D9BD@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:     > FredK wrote:N > > The IO configuration capability is not in SYSGEN on Alpha, nor does SYSMANK > > invoke SYSGEN.  The IO command under SYSMAN invokes the IOGEN shareable P > > image, which contains the logic to configure devices and invokes one or more? > > ICBMs, which contain the bus-specific configuration logic.   > H > Thanks. So if I understand correctly, everytime you export an Alpha orF > IA64 thing running VMS to another country, you send ICBMs with it...  F Wouldn't that be in violation of export regulations regarding weapons?   :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 09:53:15 +0200 ' From: Bernard Giroud <bgiroud2@free.fr>  Subject: Re: Vax/VMS Calculator 3 Message-ID: <4306e049$0$1407$626a14ce@news.free.fr>    dooleys@snowy.net.au a crit :I > there used to be more than one on Languages & Tools sig tapes from over  > 10 years ago# > I would search for L&T calculator  > Phil >   + And it was using FMS not DEC Forms AFAIR...    --   Bernard Giroud! Open Source COBOL Tools Developer    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Aug 2005 08:49:19 -0700! From: "Mel Byrne" <mel@unison.ie> ! Subject: Re: VMS as a SMTP client C Message-ID: <1124552959.887701.184760@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hi,   C www.vaxman.de claims to have a perl script that retrieves mail from D POP3 servers pointed to by files in VMS user's home directories. The@ script periodically hits the POP3 server, retrieves any mail and1 delivers to the user using the VMS mail facility.   / I haven't tried it but it may be of use to you.    - Mel    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Aug 2005 11:01:53 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: What is the official status ?* Message-ID: <43070da1@news.langstoeger.at>  ^ In article <1124493878.437520.31300@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes:- >here it is in their summer update letter ...  > 7 >http://www.process.com/tcpip/2005Newsletters/10-2.html   A If I'd checked the compatibility matrix I would have seen it also   C 	http://www.process.com/techsupport/TCPware_Compat_VMS_Versions.htm   K "currently in beta test" and "expected end of August 2005" are good to read   H But the Eval page (http://www.process.com/tcpip/tcpipreq.asp) needs then, an upgrade (inclusion of the Itanic), too...   So, thanks to all    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.464 ************************