1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 05 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 496       Contents:% Announcement:  New PL/I kit for Alpha  Re: Another PHP solution...  ARCH_NAME nomenclature question # Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question 0 freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC4 Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC
 Re: Gamers0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 RE: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 RE: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)P hpUG Seminar - "Making & Breaking OpenVMS Clusters" - 15th September - Warringto MC Authorize Re: MC Authorize Re: MC Authorize+ RE: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA64 + Re: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA64 7 Re: OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Part 1/11 7 Re: OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Part 1/11 7 Re: OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Part 1/11 & PL/I for OpenVM HTML Documentation kit* Re: PL/I for OpenVM HTML Documentation kit* Re: PL/I for OpenVM HTML Documentation kit* Re: PL/I for OpenVM HTML Documentation kit  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:05:13 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> . Subject: Announcement:  New PL/I kit for Alpha( Message-ID: <opswm0azt8zgicya@hyrrokkin>  9 A new kit is now available for download from our website, 7 which includes a complete rebuild of the GEM interface.   < This fixes a cute bug.  When compiling with /SHOW=STATISTICSD the compile speed is computed in lines per minute.  Time is measuredD in in units of a hundredth of a millisecond,  which turned out to beK zero for a small program on an ES47.  When this code was originally written I in 1978 for the VAX I guess it was never thought that computers would get 
 that fast!   Tom    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:29:45 +02009 From: "Robert Trawiski" <robert.trawinski@softax.com.pl> $ Subject: Re: Another PHP solution.../ Message-ID: <dfha7f$h54$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>   6 Uytkownik <healyzh@aracnet.com> napisa w wiadomoci % news:df5gpq27n9@enews1.newsguy.com... 4 > Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote:L >> So, I found TR Newsportal WebNewsReader and installed it on my VMS serverJ >> at home.  I made the appropriate edits to the config file to add my ISP > 
 > URL please.  >   $ http://florian-amrhein.de/newsportal  2 > Also, does this allow you to post, or just read? >    You can post too.    Robert  	 > Thanks,  >     Zane     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:47:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question, Message-ID: <431BDBC9.E508137E@teksavvy.com>  E Is there an assurance that f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") will always return a D value that can be used to build a symbol name or a file name on ODS2 disks ?   0 (eg: no spaces, limited to digits and letters) ?  @ For instance, a few years ago, arch_name for that IA64 thing wasH supposed to be "IA-64" but changed to "IA64". Had it remained at IA-64,  some DCL would break:   L $library_'f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")' =  "mylibrary_''f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")'.OLB"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:10:48 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question+ Message-ID: <431C5FF8.7A9B4CE1@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  > G > Is there an assurance that f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") will always return a F > value that can be used to build a symbol name or a file name on ODS2	 > disks ?  > 2 > (eg: no spaces, limited to digits and letters) ? > B > For instance, a few years ago, arch_name for that IA64 thing wasI > supposed to be "IA-64" but changed to "IA64". Had it remained at IA-64,  > some DCL would break:  > N > $library_'f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")' =  "mylibrary_''f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")'.OLB"  7 Well, dashes are legal - if confusing - in filespec.'s.   C I doubt we'll see much volatility in the strings returned, however.   D ...though exactly what string will be returned on OpenVMS for x86-64 remains to be seen.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:21:12 -04004 From: "Mister Scary" <daniel_newhouse@earthlink.net>9 Subject: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC 7 Message-ID: <KrRSe.6027$FO3.267@bignews3.bellsouth.net>   K I just want to learn my way around the OS, don't have anything specific to  F do with it, so I don't see any point in spending $400 on a commercial  plugin.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:26:54 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>= Subject: Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC & Message-ID: <431c0f54$1@news1.ethz.ch>   Mister Scary wrote: M > I just want to learn my way around the OS, don't have anything specific to  H > do with it, so I don't see any point in spending $400 on a commercial 
 > plugin.   H VirtualPC emulates only a x86, OpenVMS doesn't run on x86 (but Itanium)  so forget VirtualPC.  H You'd probably want to go with SIMH (free, runs on Winows and Linux and D maybe more) which will emulate a VAX machine - now that's something   where you can play with OpenVMS.   S    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Aug 2005 15:39:01 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Gamers + Message-ID: <3njcslF1ink7U1@individual.net>   * In article <43147662.9000701@prodigy.net>,# 	CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes:  > ? > ... and it should also be noted that Apple is moving to Intel  >   @ And I would be willing to bet that is more a cost thing than any# admission of technical superiority.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:17:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) - Message-ID: <431BE2DA.CF4BB98E@vaxination.ca>   
 AEF wrote:I > Even taking your comment seriously, it is still way off the mark. First 8 > 3 days of 9/11? What special event happened on day 4?   E After a few days, New York started to come back to normal, except for " the huge scar in lower manahattan.  E But initially, New Yorkers were starved for information/leadership to G help them understand what was and wasn't working in their city. (and it H took much longer than 3-4 days for traffic access to manhattan to returnB to normal). It wasn't information about basic survival, but it was information nevertheless.    > Note: 80% of NO  is flooded.   CNN mentioned 50% today.  E I think that the 80% was spouted out initially because nobody did the H math/inventory of what was and wasn't flooded. Also, I think wtare levslG have since receeded a bit, and because large protions were under just a P bit of water, many areas are probably dry now that were slightly flooded before.    " > Fires are burning out of control  C BBC showed harbour fire fighting ship fighting some wharehouse fire F CNN showed how NO firefighters were pumping wanter from the streets to fight fires in flooded areas.       + > People are desparate for food and water.    H Yes, although this situation is getting much better now. But there is noF debate from me that authorities were quite late in getting that going.  + >People are trapped in attics and on roofs.   E Yes. But this situation has lasted so long because authorities didn't H bring in the right equipment right away. Doing it by helicopter is goingH to take a LONG time. They need boats to do that job, lots of boats. Yes,G there are logistic issues of bring in boats into a partly flooded city, G but if the military has amphibious vehicles, they would have been great @ for that.  (and I am not talking about tanks, I am talking about/ vehicles used to do beach landings from ships.)        > Two NOA > police committed suicide. Others simply turned in their badges.   D I would say that lack of leadership and clear direction is partly to@ blame for those. They were left to fend on their own without any1 leaderhsip trying to fight anarchy. Hopeless job.   H > collpases, along with several dozen police officers. This is effectiveG > crisis handling? (I'm not sure how much of this to pin on Giuliani -- E > NYC's firefighters and police have a history of not getting along.)   ; Giuliani is ultimately responsible for not having fixed the G communications problems fully documented after the 1993 bombing. (and I @ don't mean just the political inter-agency stuff, i als mean theG physical walky talkies not working in the towers). And he is ultimately H responsible for not forcing the FDNY to have a disaster plan for a major fire in a tower.    G But on the days immedatly following the crisis, he handled himself very E well in terms of leadership and statesperson to inspire confidence in * new yorkers. (and the rest of the world).       C > But things were beyond his control. You want him to lie about it?   A There is a way to spin this without sounding desperate and out of G control. And that is where the mayor failed. He sent out a loud message E that the city was out of control, wiothout police and FD. What do you H think hoodlums did when they heard that message ????? Steal guns,  steal' big time, set fires and start shooting.   @ In the end, politicians will have to find ways to spin this in aD positive way because they won't be able to tell the truth: they just& didn't get this rolling early enough.   C Can the mayor honestly say that on the sunday morning, he requested E 40,000 troups be ready to be airlifted into town as soon as the winds G died ? Can he honestly say that he asked the military and/or commercial G airlines to airlift as many people as possible prior to the hurricane ? F Can he say that he called up the local transit authority and intercityH buses to help evacuate ?  My guess is that the answer to that is NO.  SoH naturally, the mayor will shift the blame to state/federal poiliticians.  G If the political structures in the USA put such responsabilities on the @ mayor, then this is where the buck stops. If it puts in on state? governors, then that is where the buck stops. It seems that the @ president of the country isn't really normally allowed to "push"G solutions onto cities/states.  And in fairness to that Bush <censored>, G he did declare state of emergency well before the hurricane which would D have given the mayor and governors instand access to federal assets.  F It would be interesting to get some sort of post mortem on this on whoG requested what and when. Only then could we start to lay blame and find 1 ways to prevent such delays from happening again.       E > Not a valid comparison. NYC had functioning communications. NO does , > not. Aside from all the other differences.  F You know, the media are sworming in New Orleans. Seems to me that theyC have no problems relaying their reports in colour. Surely the mayor G could have made full use of this. And police/fire department have radio H communiactions that don't rely on telephone companies, they should still have communications.    B The mayor should have a sat phone, and should have access to walky talkies to talk to police.  @ And this is where this comes back to VMS and disaster tolerance:  G Seting up a disaster tolerance plan doesn't involve only getting VMS to D operate at a remote site with your up-to-date data. It involves also@ setting alternate communications facilities, being able to reach@ employees and direct them to new offices, being able to redirectD telephones, having liason with fire department in order to get a fewF trained people to be allowed to enter the old building to recover someC of the assets etc etc. There is a lot more to such a plan than just G saving data in a remove site. And similarly, a disaster plan for a city G is a lot more than just calling for an evacuation without providing any : help for such evacuation and not knowing what to do after.  G Any city where you can have severe weather should have a disaster plan. B And that means assuming phones/electricity are out and thus havingC alternate means of communications. And cities should also know that C without power, most gas stations are closed and as a result, a city H should have some fuel reserves in its onw depots, as well as generators.  E When we had the ice storm here in 1998, police and in some areas, the G army, had no problems talking on their radios despite not having power.   F > I really think, JF, just like the Feds, you completely underestimate/ > the magnitude and seriousness of this crisis.     H No, I do not underestimate the magniture. But I also feel that the mediaB are not providing the complete picture and are not discussing whatH actually does work in the city, and not differentiating between a vew cmG of water on streets and areas where water if up to roofs, treating them G all as "submerged under water". There is a lot of sensationalism in the < reporting, and this is what I am trying hard to filter out.   E BBC had a reporter on a reportly usually extremely busy street, where B MACY's has a huge department store. It was all very dry there. NotE flooded. One of the hospital is just 2 blocks away from dry land. Not @ exactly "in the middle of the floods" as reported by USA media.     A And one more thing to keep in mind: the media are not necessarily H allowed to go everywhere.  Notice how they all report from the same spotE showing he;icopters at the airport ? They aren't reporting from other D areas of the airport where commerical airlines are providing airlift service for instance.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:22:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) , Message-ID: <431BE3F7.4F233821@teksavvy.com>  
 AEF wrote:G > > Mobile phone companies have already restored service to many of the  > > affected areas.  > I > Well glory be! They're saved! Never mind the flooding, the broken flood 3 > walls or levees or whatever really was breached.      G You may choose to respond with your cynicism. But restoration of mobile G phone service is a sign that work is going on to bring the city back to G life. It is progress, despite the media's portrayal that nothing can be D done because teh whole city os submerged under water and looters areF shooting left and right, preventing anyone from doing any rescue work.  D Just because there is very serious flooding in one area doesn't meanG that the rest of the city cannot be brought back to life. The fact that E the mobile phone companies brought servuice back even to parts of the N flooded areas is also an indication that work can also be done in those areas.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:45:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) , Message-ID: <431BE971.93BBAA07@teksavvy.com>  ) One more aspect of skewed media coverage:   F BBC had a report out of Port Fourchon, south of New Orleans.  The portE has power, but portions of the port are still without power, but they F expect to have the electric poles within the port fixed before the enfH of this week. One oil rig supplier has 2 of 4 buildings fully functional0 and expects to be 100% functional by wednesday.   D One hangar used to load supply ships has been damaged, and they have* cranes and welders doing work  to fix it.   E Some of the refineries in louisiana expect to restart production this F week. But a few have enough damage that they think it may take a month to fix.   5 So it isn't as if the metropolitan area is completely  dead/frozen/immobilised.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:20:11 +10006 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>9 Subject: RE: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) X Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE9E@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B1FB.04091676 . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   < My opinions expressed below and contra to Bill Gunshannon's:  L In article <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE9B@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.tran=
 sgrid.local>, 9 	"O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> writes:  >=20L >> Many people believe that was a self-made disaster, created by US and aid= ed=20 L >> by other countries, mainly UK and Australia, which is becoming another V= ietnam. =20    >And they would be wrong.   L Some other stuff that I thought I wrote seems to have been elided here.  Be=L cause I use OWA, it is not easy to check.  This does not make sense, but pe=A rhaps I had a bad night nd did not write what I thought I had :-(   L >>       The first priority should be one's own country.  Probably Bush wou= ld=20 L >> not lose too much "face" by using this as an excuse to pull out some per= cen  >> tage of troops.=20   F >Why?  There are still more than enough troops back here to handle theK >situation.  It is not a problem of supply, it is a problem of utilization. ( >And that is a purely political problem.  L I said that he would not lose too much "face" in getting out of a situation=8  which seems to be out of US, UK and Australian control.  L >> We (generic -- US, UK and Australia) seem now to be exacerbating the blo= odshed. L >> When the tsunami occurred end of last year, many countries sent aid (civ= ili K >> an and military) to help the relief.  Would US allow that on their soil?   F >It is  not needed so there is no reason to allow it.  We are not someH >third world country whose military is ineffective because it's too busyG >fighting local separatist rebels.  The last thing in the world we need L >now is sanatation advice from people who live in countries without running=  water.   L I'm afraid your whole paragraph sounds like arrogance.  Where does "the buc=L k stop"?  The whole chain of command screwed up.  Tell the people in the co=L nvention centre that US could control their running water and their sanitat=L ion.  The country where I live is also suffering from water problems, and t=L hey are prepared to discuss the situation with other countries.  BH,  US do=; es not have the perogative of world experts in every field.   L You need, but personally deplore (though your government readily accepts), =L help from many areas. Money from EU, 1/2 billion in oil reserves from Kuwai=L t, and several other bits and pieces.  Few (in the oil scenario) seem to he=1 lp the poor people involved, but US needs oil !!!   L Of course US needs assistance.  Any country that suffers such a disaster do=L es.  My question was engendered because I see US as being too damned proud =L and so jealous of its territorial rights to allow any other country (even f=L riends) to give assistance.  Except where oil is concerned!! Keep those SUV=' 's rolling for your wealthier populace.   L Incidentally, your earlier disclaimers about police and National Guards not=L  being armed seem to have been eroded.  They are killing people indiscrimin=L ately!!  As I read (again the BBC, so you might have a judgement call) that=L  a male who got so upset about a rape tried to alert the police -- but they=L  shot him dead, because of the manner in which he tried to attract their at= tention.  L (As an old rock-'n-roller, glad that Fats Domino was found -- but still fee=L l deeply for all the other lives lost, and the hell the survivors went thro= ugh.)    Regards, Paddy  L P.S. Ye gads, I've struggled with this blasted OWA system, which is now the=/  only way I can access from my Alpha !!!!!!!!!!     G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20 C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  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 d (civili<BR> L &gt;&gt; an and military) to help the relief.&nbsp; Would US allow that on = their soil?<BR>  <BR>L &gt;It is&nbsp; not needed so there is no reason to allow it.&nbsp; We are = not some<BR>L &gt;third world country whose military is ineffective because it's too busy= <BR>L &gt;fighting local separatist rebels.&nbsp; The last thing in the world we = need<BR>L &gt;now is sanatation advice from people who live in countries without runn= ing water.<BR> <BR>L I'm afraid your whole paragraph sounds like arrogance.&nbsp; Where does &qu=L ot;the buck stop&quot;?&nbsp; The whole chain of command screwed up.&nbsp; =L Tell the people in the convention centre that US could control their runnin=L g water and their sanitation.&nbsp; The country where I live is also suffer=L ing from water problems, and they are prepared to discuss the situation wit=L h other countries.&nbsp; BH,&nbsp; US does not have the perogative of world=  experts in every field.<BR> <BR>L You need, but personally deplore (though your government readily accepts), =L help from many areas. Money from EU, 1/2 billion in oil reserves from Kuwai=L t, and several other bits and pieces.&nbsp; Few (in the oil scenario) seem =: to help the poor people involved, but US needs oil !!!<BR> <BR>L Of course US needs assistance.&nbsp; Any country that suffers such a disast=L er does.&nbsp; My question was engendered because I see US as being too dam=L ned proud and so jealous of its territorial rights to allow any other count=L ry (even friends) to give assistance.&nbsp; Except where oil is concerned!!=:  Keep those SUV's rolling for your wealthier populace.<BR> <BR>L Incidentally, your earlier disclaimers about police and National Guards not=L  being armed seem to have been eroded.&nbsp; They are killing people indisc=L riminately!!&nbsp; As I read (again the BBC, so you might have a judgement =L call) that a male who got so upset about a rape tried to alert the police -=L - but they shot him dead, because of the manner in which he tried to attrac= t their attention.<BR> <BR>L (As an old rock-'n-roller, glad that Fats Domino was found -- but still fee=L l deeply for all the other lives lost, and the hell the survivors went thro=	 ugh.)<BR>  <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> <BR>L P.S. Ye gads, I've struggled with this blasted OWA system, which is now the=3  only way I can access from my Alpha !!!!!!!!!!<BR>  </FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, <BR>; distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.<BR>  <BR>E If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid <BR> E immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the <BR> A individual sender except where the sender expressly and with <BR> G authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  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Could be I just missed that part. > K >>> Apparently, the mayor didn't anticipate the levees not holding. Had the 4 >>> levees held, things would have been MUCH better. > L >> And had the hurricane never happened, things would have been much better=  too.  > L >> I agree with JF.  The situation with the levees was known.  Nobody wante=L d before >>the event to plough billions into re-inforcing them.  But now th=L at "the horse has >>bolted", everbody wants to be the nice guy and put this=L  extra money into >>re-building/re-inforcing them.  This was from a (UK) BB=L C news item which URL I do >>not have, but easily obtained via http://news.=	 bbc.co.uk     G >Irrevlevant. We were discussing leadership of the NO mayor vs Giuliani > >in the aftermath. Yes, NO's planning wasn't as good as NYC's.  / [snips, and I hope I added chevrons correctly.]   % Neither irrelevant nor irreverent :-)   L I was replying to your first para quoted which was nothing to do with the m= erits of either gentlemen.  L To re-iterate, you said that you did not remember much discussion of the le=L vees breaking.  And yes you did miss that "part" (discussion, to which I ga= ve a pseudo reference).    Regards, Paddy    G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  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 ntil they<BR> 7 &gt;&gt;&gt; did. Could be I just missed that part.<BR>  &gt;<BR>L &gt;&gt;&gt; Apparently, the mayor didn't anticipate the levees not holding=  Had the<BR>A &gt;&gt;&gt; levees held, things would have been MUCH better.<BR>  &gt;<BR>L &gt;&gt; And had the hurricane never happened, things would have been much = better too.<BR>  &gt;<BR>L &gt;&gt; I agree with JF.&nbsp; The situation with the levees was known.&nb=L sp; Nobody wanted before &gt;&gt;the event to plough billions into re-infor=L cing them.&nbsp; But now that &quot;the horse has &gt;&gt;bolted&quot;, eve=L rbody wants to be the nice guy and put this extra money into &gt;&gt;re-bui=L lding/re-inforcing them.&nbsp; This was from a (UK) BBC news item which URL=L  I do &gt;&gt;not have, but easily obtained via <A HREF=3D"http://news.bbc.=$ co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk</A><BR> <BR> <BR>L &gt;Irrevlevant. We were discussing leadership of the NO mayor vs Giuliani<= BR> E &gt;in the aftermath. Yes, NO's planning wasn't as good as NYC's.<BR>  <BR>3 [snips, and I hope I added chevrons correctly.]<BR>  <BR>) Neither irrelevant nor irreverent :-)<BR>  <BR>L I was replying to your first para quoted which was nothing to do with the m= erits of either gentlemen.<BR> <BR>L To re-iterate, you said that you did not remember much discussion of the le=L vees breaking.&nbsp; And yes you did miss that &quot;part&quot; (discussion=* , to which I gave a pseudo reference).<BR> <BR> Regards, Paddy</FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of <BR>G this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise<BR> F the sender.  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Then they dodged so many  G > bullets, that the normal attitude was to put head in sand and try to  H > ignore disaster bearing down on them.  Hey, dodged it before, why not J > one more time?  They finally got one that ignoring didn't help.  It was 4 > not an 'if' question, it was/is a 'when' question.   G That's not the scariest part of it.  The really scary part is that they E will now put all of it back. And  not just in NO.  I saw a news story F about a town some distance from NO that was completely destroyed.  AndE I mean completely. The newsman stood there as the camera surveyed the C surrounding area.  There is nothing standing over a for in the air. H And all of this will be rebuilt knowing full well that it IS (not might) goign to happen again.  H Reminds me of up her after the flood in '72.  The Corps of Engineers hadJ constructed a dike long before the flood. (It, too, broke, but that wasn'tE the CoE's fault.)  There were peoplewho had (Are you ready for this!) F built their houses on the river side of the dike! After the flood, theH CoE came through and marked off areas in the flood plain where build wasE not to be allowed.  About 15 years later they came back to survey the F dike again.  There were brand new houses built in the prohibited area.I Luckily, the CoE had the power to order the houses removed and they were. F BUt we still have large numbers of people who live right along some ofG the rivers here that get flooded out everytime we have a bad rain.  And C everytime they cry about being helped through the "crisis" and then % proceed to rebuild in the same place.    Sadly, NO will be the same.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2005 12:07:53 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) + Message-ID: <3o2qopF3u3r8U2@individual.net>   ; In article <vQNSe.3947$ix3.3353@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, + 	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > Dave Froble wrote: > L >> One thing he's right about, to a point.  NO was/is a disaster waiting to D >> happen.  Building below sea level in an area that regularly gets D >> huricanes.  Can't be much more stupid.  Then they dodged so many H >> bullets, that the normal attitude was to put head in sand and try to I >> ignore disaster bearing down on them.  Hey, dodged it before, why not  K >> one more time?  They finally got one that ignoring didn't help.  It was  5 >> not an 'if' question, it was/is a 'when' question.  > I > The cost of building a flood defence system proof against even a Cat 5  H > hurricane (and they know how to do it) was estimated at $14 billion a J > few years ago, according to one ex-FEMA guy on CNN ,but nothing was, or J > it was thought, could be done about it at that cost. As he also pointed ? > out, compared to the cost of what happened, that was nothing.    @ And relocating the people would be only a fraction of that cost!   bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:47:35 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) : Message-ID: <H7XSe.7836$pm2.961@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  B > And relocating the people would be only a fraction of that cost!  C So would you suggest they relocate Los Angeles, San Francisco etc.  I before they are hit by a richter 9 quake? While that might seem logical,  & good luck in convincing the residents!   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:17:53 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) & Message-ID: <431c4577$1@news1.ethz.ch>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:H > BUt we still have large numbers of people who live right along some ofI > the rivers here that get flooded out everytime we have a bad rain.  And E > everytime they cry about being helped through the "crisis" and then ' > proceed to rebuild in the same place.   A Well, this happens in the good ol' Europe as well, all too often  H unfortunately. Problem is, too few people seem to notice it - let alone  do something about it.   S    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2005 08:20:56 -0500 2 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <b1MicHhqot2u@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <431BB3DE.4229D485@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:D > Note that New Orleans isn't alone in the world. many cities in theJ > netherlands are also below sea level (notably Amsterdam), Venice is just > barely above sea level.   F And neither is in the path of hurricanes. Venice's streets are already flooded!   --  O   Bob Kaplow   NAR # 18L   >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< E Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H         It had become an universal and almost uncontroverted position inG         the several States, that the purposes of society do not require E         a surrender of all our rights to our ordinary governors; that H         there are certain portions of right not necessary to enable themE         to carry on an effective government, and which experience has F         nevertheless proved they will be constantly encroaching on, ifC         submitted to them; that there are also certain fences which G         experience has proved peculiarly efficacious against wrong, and H         rarely obstructive of right, which yet the governing powers haveC         ever shown a disposition to weaken and remove. Of the first H         kind, for instance, is freedom of religion; of the second, trialF         by jury, habeas corpus laws, free presses. -- Thomas Jefferson   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2005 08:49:27 -0500 2 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <sjc3lYoPnMyX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3o2qjvF3u3r8U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:J > Reminds me of up her after the flood in '72.  The Corps of Engineers hadL > constructed a dike long before the flood. (It, too, broke, but that wasn'tG > the CoE's fault.)  There were peoplewho had (Are you ready for this!) H > built their houses on the river side of the dike! After the flood, theJ > CoE came through and marked off areas in the flood plain where build wasG > not to be allowed.  About 15 years later they came back to survey the H > dike again.  There were brand new houses built in the prohibited area.K > Luckily, the CoE had the power to order the houses removed and they were. H > BUt we still have large numbers of people who live right along some ofI > the rivers here that get flooded out everytime we have a bad rain.  And E > everytime they cry about being helped through the "crisis" and then ' > proceed to rebuild in the same place.   F Disaster relief (flood, earthquake, mudslide, forest fire) should be aF One-Shot deal. These events are nature's way of saying "live somewhereJ else". I have little sympathy for the folks with the mansions who complainJ that this is the 4th time their house has been trashed by a disaster. Then1 proceed to rebuild it yet again with federal aid.    --  O   Bob Kaplow   NAR # 18L   >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< E Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to Babel," stardate 3842.3    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:06:12 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) + Message-ID: <431C5EE4.FFE6EF7D@comcast.net>    Alan Greig wrote:  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > D > > And relocating the people would be only a fraction of that cost! > D > So would you suggest they relocate Los Angeles, San Francisco etc.J > before they are hit by a richter 9 quake? While that might seem logical,( > good luck in convincing the residents!  @ Well, rather than swing from one extreme to the other, how 'bout "meeting in the middle"?  H I understand that parts of Nebraska and the Dakotas are paying people to* move in, or at least "giving" land away...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:39:17 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> Y Subject: hpUG Seminar - "Making & Breaking OpenVMS Clusters" - 15th September - Warringto > Message-ID: <9nUSe.102679$G8.33806@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  H Nic Clews of CSC is giving a "hands-on" seminar about clustering for theK User Group in the UK. Should be a good and interesting day about OpenVMS in # the best DECUS style and tradition.   E Event flyer: http://www.hpug.org.uk/seminar/flyer_050915_clusters.pdf   F Directions: http://h40059.www4.hp.com/office_locations/warrington.html   --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk E It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2005 07:32:37 -0700 + From: "Lee Morgan" <leemorgan@ntlworld.com>  Subject: MC Authorize C Message-ID: <1125930757.350139.160380@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi all  $ Can somebody please answer my query?  E Is there any way for a captive user in a menu or dcl procedure to run 5 mc authorize without actually exiting the menu first?   D I am trying to write a menu and 1 option would be for the use of VMS0 utilities to be run from within the dcl routine.  & Any help would be greatly appreciated.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:46:40 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>  Subject: Re: MC Authorize > Message-ID: <kTYSe.102805$G8.39090@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  K I'd be inclined to write DCL to ask the user (read/prompt, not inquire) for E specific inputs, validate those inputs in the context of your system, K re-check everything, then finally apply the change using DCL commands (or a J small command file for input to AUTHORIZE that you generate in response to the inputs you get.   I The idea of captive users being given the necessary privs and then having K direct uncontrolled access to AUTHORIZE at command line doesn't sound good.    eg:    ... get inputs ... ... validate inputs ...  ... show current data ... ' ... get changes ...(eg: reset password)  ... validate changes ... ... confirm changes ...    $ uaf := $authorize J $ define/job sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat (or whatever it happens to be if, you moved it into a cluster-common location)+ ditto rightslist, netproxy, net$proxy, etc.   ; $ uaf mod <user>/password=<new_password>/<whatever else...?    ... back to caller ...  K If you want to read up on DCL then I'd recommend the "Writing real programs 4 in DCL" book, plublished by Digital Press. See here:G http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1555581919/202-2155318-2251064   J I think you can get these at a discount through the User Group if you're a member.    --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk E It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:25:00 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: MC Authorize + Message-ID: <431C634C.1FC83450@comcast.net>    Colin Butcher wrote: > M > I'd be inclined to write DCL to ask the user (read/prompt, not inquire) for G > specific inputs, validate those inputs in the context of your system, M > re-check everything, then finally apply the change using DCL commands (or a L > small command file for input to AUTHORIZE that you generate in response to > the inputs you get.  > K > The idea of captive users being given the necessary privs and then having M > direct uncontrolled access to AUTHORIZE at command line doesn't sound good.  >  > eg:  >  > ... get inputs ... > ... validate inputs ...  > ... show current data ... ) > ... get changes ...(eg: reset password)  > ... validate changes ... > ... confirm changes ...  >  > $ uaf := $authorize L > $ define/job sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat (or whatever it happens to be if. > you moved it into a cluster-common location)- > ditto rightslist, netproxy, net$proxy, etc.  > = > $ uaf mod <user>/password=<new_password>/<whatever else...?  >  > ... back to caller ...  D Another useful strategy would be gather/verify those values, write aG temp file containing the AUTHORIZE ADD(, etc.) command(s), then try one 	 of these:   : 1. If your commands are written to, for example, TEMP.TMP:    $ DEFINE/USER SYS$INPUT TEMP.TMP* $ DEFINE/USER SYSUAF filespec		! As needed- $ DEFINE/USER RIGHTSLIST filespec	! As needed , $ DEFINE/USER NET$PROXY filespec	! As needed $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:AUTHORIZE  E 2. Write it all to a batch job, then allow the captive user to SUBMIT C that. The captive account could have limited default privileges and C elevated authorized privileges. Do this in the account's LOGIN.COM:   / $ IF F$GETJPI( 0, "MODE" ) .EQS. "BATCH" THEN - - $ SET PROC/PRIV=('F$GETJPI( 0, "AUTHPRIV" )')   H Be careful with that on earlier VMS where DCL string length restrictionsD are more limiting. V7.3-2 and later would be best for that approach.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:44:48 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 4 Subject: RE: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA64R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B24F9@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 ! > Sent: September 3, 2005 5:18 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 > Subject: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA64 >=20@ > http://news.com.com/Microsoft+limits+Longhorns+Itanium+job+dut- > ies/2100-1006_3-5846226.html?tag=3Dnefd.top  >=20 >=20E > Microsoft's Longhorn Server version of Windows will support Intel's 8 > Itanium processor, but only for a limited number of=20 > higher-end jobs, the% > software company said on Friday.=20  > ...  >=20D > "Longhorn Server for Itanium won't run all workloads," a Microsoft% > representative said in a statement.  >=20    F JF .. Windows 2003 R2 is a way watered down release that might also beE called a service pack. Microsoft has been dropping all sorts of stuff 7 from R2 in order to get it out in the target timeframe.   G It was rumoured that Microsoft might not even release it. The fact that C they are still planning to release it likely means that some of the ) Longhorn stuff is going to be delayed.=20    Reference: (Oct 2004) H http://news.com.com/Microsoft+steers+R2+server+for+05+release/2100-1016_ 3-5415371.html?tag=3Dst.rnF "Despite some speculation that it might kill a planned interim releaseE of Windows Server, Microsoft said this week that it is charging ahead  with the update, code-named R2.   E However, the software maker is taking a couple of features out of the H operating system release to make sure it can come out by the second half of next year."   [snip..]  G "Some analysts had thought Microsoft might drop R2 to meet its Longhorn E targets, but DiStasio said service packs and interim releases like R2 : won't slow Longhorn or overload corporate IT departments."     Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:13:20 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>4 Subject: Re: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA647 Message-ID: <kgZSe.42$k22.21@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Main, Kerry wrote:  H > JF .. Windows 2003 R2 is a way watered down release that might also beG > called a service pack. Microsoft has been dropping all sorts of stuff 9 > from R2 in order to get it out in the target timeframe.   G But he was commenting on much reduced support for Itanium in Longhorn.  A You've answered about R2. That said, do you think the support of  I Datacenter Edition of R2 for X86-64 amounts to watering down the release?   H Let's be very clear hear: Microsoft are already advising some customers B of HP Windows/Itanic to plan migration to X86-64 now or stay with F Windows Server 2003 for ever. Next time you see Rich Marcello ask him G about the future of Itanic. I'd love to know if he can look you in the   eye when he answers.  G > However, the software maker is taking a couple of features out of the J > operating system release to make sure it can come out by the second half > of next year."  < More often than not MS drops features just before a release.     --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 08:57:05 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> @ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Part 1/11( Message-ID: <opswmzxflkzgicya@hyrrokkin>  I On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 19:50:09 GMT, Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.hp.nospam>  wrote:  # >           ACMS Examples - Ask VMS K >           http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=Example+ACMS&source=1000      You omitted   J             PL/I Examples - Ask VMS  (N.B.  Unfortunately some people haveL                                             used PL1 instead of PLI so check both) J             http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=Example+PL1&source=1000J             http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=Example+PLI&source=1000  K A better search engine supporting regular expressions would be very nice:-)  e.g., query=Example+PL[I,1]    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:15:16 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> @ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Part 1/115 Message-ID: <slrndhorok.su4.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   K In article <opswmzxflkzgicya@hyrrokkin>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:  > L >             PL/I Examples - Ask VMS  (N.B.  Unfortunately some people haveN >                                             used PL1 instead of PLI so check > both) L >             http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=Example+PL1&source=1000L >             http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=Example+PLI&source=1000 > M > A better search engine supporting regular expressions would be very nice:-)  > e.g., query=Example+PL[I,1]   E While not OpenVMS-related, I was surprised to hear that tools used to I develop VisiCalc was created on a Prime system with a good PL/I compiler.   / http://www.bricklin.com/history/saiproduct1.htm   5 ('Good', according to Dan Bricklin of VisiCalc fame.)    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:20:43 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> @ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), Part 1/11( Message-ID: <opswm00tmfzgicya@hyrrokkin>  J On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:15:16 -0500, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote:  H > In article <opswmzxflkzgicya@hyrrokkin>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>   > wrote: >>J >>             PL/I Examples - Ask VMS  (N.B.  Unfortunately some people   >> have K >>                                             used PL1 instead of PLI so    >> check >> both)M >>             http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=Example+PL1&source=1000 M >>             http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=Example+PLI&source=1000  >>H >> A better search engine supporting regular expressions would be very  
 >> nice:-) >> e.g., query=Example+PL[I,1] > G > While not OpenVMS-related, I was surprised to hear that tools used to K > develop VisiCalc was created on a Prime system with a good PL/I compiler.  > K Bob Frankston was the principal coder and he also wrote the emacs for Prime H in PL/I.  He also worked on this PL/I compiler in 1977 (IIRC) the year   beforeK it was licensed to Digital.  The compiler on Prime is the same as this one, H although Cutler et. al.  made inappropriate and gratuitous  changes as  	 befitting  assembler programmers.  K The Prime PL/I had a powerful debugger not unlike the one on VMS and this    togetherK with emacs provide the productive development environment at Software Arts.   1 > http://www.bricklin.com/history/saiproduct1.htm  > 7 > ('Good', according to Dan Bricklin of VisiCalc fame.)  >  > -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:06:05 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> / Subject: PL/I for OpenVM HTML Documentation kit ( Message-ID: <opswm0cfiyzgicya@hyrrokkin>  H In response to demand we are pleased to offer all the PL/I documentationJ in HTML as a single kit for FREE download.  This will allow you to installI the HTML docs locally for faster access for your users. The kit is in the F form of a  saveset and when you run backup  it will create a directory [.HTML] @ once installed to access the documentation point your browser to7 [.html]docs.html  All HREFs are relative to this point.   K To access the documentation point your browser to  ftp://ftp.kednos.com/pub K and download PLI_HTML_DOCS.BCK  or the zipped version PLI_HTML_DOCS_BCK.ZIP 9 or simply fetch with anonymous ftp from the command line.   H Transferring the documentation to a Unix or Windows system is left as an excercise to the reader.   Tom    ------------------------------   Date: 05 Sep 2005 17:11:03 GMT$ From: "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com>3 Subject: Re: PL/I for OpenVM HTML Documentation kit 7 Message-ID: <Xns96C8C327EB09EDCovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   ' "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in 0 news:Xns96C8C2717CF5BDCovmsrox@212.100.160.126:   1 > Do you mind that I've put the documentation on  2 > http://www.openvms-rocks.com/docs/PLI/docs.html?  * Just spotted a typo on the front page. :-)  0 "... don't worry about buffer overurn exploits."%                                   ^^^   J Just the character transposition exploits we've got to watch out for then.     Doc. --     ------------------------------   Date: 05 Sep 2005 17:06:51 GMT$ From: "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com>3 Subject: Re: PL/I for OpenVM HTML Documentation kit 7 Message-ID: <Xns96C8C2717CF5BDCovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   G "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in news:opswm0cfiyzgicya@hyrrokkin:    > < > In response to demand we are pleased to offer all the PL/IE > documentation in HTML as a single kit for FREE download.  This will G > allow you to install the HTML docs locally for faster access for your F > users. The kit is in the form of a  saveset and when you run backup $ > it will create a directory [.HTML]B > once installed to access the documentation point your browser to9 > [.html]docs.html  All HREFs are relative to this point.   J Thank you for that.  I don't know if anyone uses PL/I on Deathrow, but we  did make it available to users.   / Do you mind that I've put the documentation on  0 http://www.openvms-rocks.com/docs/PLI/docs.html?  I We've quite a bit there that I've not really asked if it is okay to have  H up, but we've got feedback from interesting places on how useful it has $ proven (or on bits we were missing).     Doc. --  : %NNTP-E-NOSIG, sigmentation fault, signature.txt not found   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 10:18:14 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 3 Subject: Re: PL/I for OpenVM HTML Documentation kit ( Message-ID: <opswm3oolkzgicya@hyrrokkin>  @ On 05 Sep 2005 17:11:03 GMT, Doc. <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:  ) > "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in 1 > news:Xns96C8C2717CF5BDCovmsrox@212.100.160.126:  > 1 >> Do you mind that I've put the documentation on 3 >> http://www.openvms-rocks.com/docs/PLI/docs.html?  > , > Just spotted a typo on the front page. :-) > 2 > "... don't worry about buffer overurn exploits."' >                                   ^^^  > H > Just the character transposition exploits we've got to watch out for   > then. I Please feel free to fix, I don't think it will inviolate the copyright:-)  >  >  > Doc.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.496 ************************