1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 06 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 497       Contents:# Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question # Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question # Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question # Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question 4 Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC4 Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)+ Re: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA64  Security - John the Ripper VAXen as a plural of VAXI Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 6   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2005 20:00:56 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question, Message-ID: <431ca3f8$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <431C5FF8.7A9B4CE1@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >>  H >> Is there an assurance that f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") will always return aG >> value that can be used to build a symbol name or a file name on ODS2 
 >> disks ? >>  3 >> (eg: no spaces, limited to digits and letters) ?  >>  C >> For instance, a few years ago, arch_name for that IA64 thing was J >> supposed to be "IA-64" but changed to "IA64". Had it remained at IA-64, >> some DCL would break: >>  O >> $library_'f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")' =  "mylibrary_''f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")'.OLB"  > 8 >Well, dashes are legal - if confusing - in filespec.'s.  , But they are not valid for DCL symbol names.  H I already requested an enhancements for more allowable characters in DCLM symbols some years ago. It still seems unlikely that this will happen soon...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:16:02 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> , Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question: Message-ID: <SP0Te.205$jE2.179@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:431BDBC9.E508137E@teksavvy.com...G > Is there an assurance that f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") will always return a F > value that can be used to build a symbol name or a file name on ODS2	 > disks ?  > 2 > (eg: no spaces, limited to digits and letters) ? > B > For instance, a few years ago, arch_name for that IA64 thing wasI > supposed to be "IA-64" but changed to "IA64". Had it remained at IA-64,  > some DCL would break:   L I think OpenVMS Engineering learned that lesson the hard way and they won't  make the same mistake twice.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:52:55 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>, Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question3 Message-ID: <rm1Te.11816$xF1.4390@news.cpqcorp.net>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:431C5FF8.7A9B4CE1@comcast.net...     F > ...though exactly what string will be returned on OpenVMS for x86-64 > remains to be seen.  >   F The only one possible - "VAX" - since you will be running an emulator.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:39:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question, Message-ID: <431CE522.2821FDAF@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: 9 > Well, dashes are legal - if confusing - in filespec.'s.   0 But not for symbols. (and not sure for logicals)  F > ...though exactly what string will be returned on OpenVMS for x86-64 > remains to be seen.    I vote for "8086"  :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:02:05 -04004 From: "Mister Scary" <daniel_newhouse@earthlink.net>= Subject: Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC 6 Message-ID: <X_4Te.975$Tn6.950@bignews6.bellsouth.net>  F You have to join Encompass for $90 a year to get the OpenVMS emulator.  L "S" <soterroatyahoodotcom> wrote in message news:431c0f54$1@news1.ethz.ch... > Mister Scary wrote: J >> I just want to learn my way around the OS, don't have anything specificK >> to do with it, so I don't see any point in spending $400 on a commercial 
 >> plugin. > L > VirtualPC emulates only a x86, OpenVMS doesn't run on x86 (but Itanium) so > forget VirtualPC.  > I > You'd probably want to go with SIMH (free, runs on Winows and Linux and K > maybe more) which will emulate a VAX machine - now that's something where  > you can play with OpenVMS. >  > S    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 00:10:42 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>= Subject: Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC : Message-ID: <685Te.4157$2n6.989@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Mister Scary wrote:   H > You have to join Encompass for $90 a year to get the OpenVMS emulator.  3 Actually you can get associate membership for free:   9 http://www.encompassus.org/secure/membership/benefits.cfm    "  Associate Benefits  A We really do need your financial support, but we understand that  D sometimes it's just not economically feasible. And since we've been G together for decades, let's not let a little thing like money ruin our  D relationship. Join us at our non-member Associate level. Associates I receive core Encompass value, although you do not have voting privileges  3 or select other benefits available only to members.  Associate (Non-Member) Benefits         * OpenVMS Hobbyist license F      * A vast array of technical information, tips, and news about HP # technologies on www.encompassUS.org 6      * Monthly electronic newsletter, Encompass Points+      * Special Interest Group Participation B      * Advocacy to HP through HP Advocacy Steering Committee (ASC)B      * Notification of local networking and educational activities"      * Decus.org software archives-      * Calendar of User Group/Industry Events    "      --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:28:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) , Message-ID: <431CE2C5.F8EBC1EB@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > surrounding area.  There is nothing standing over a for in the air. J > And all of this will be rebuilt knowing full well that it IS (not might) > goign to happen again.   So ?  D Hollywood stars get their mansions rebuilt on those cliffs that keep. being washed down whenever there is some rain.  H If such hurranes are ones in a 100 year events, then you can rebuild the= city, knowing it will be "renewed" in a 100 years on average.   A Big question is whether the gulf states will enact tough building F standards for all buildings to not only widhstand hurricanes, but moreE importantly not become flying bullets destroying other buildings in a 
 bad storm.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:35:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) , Message-ID: <431CE450.90FAE5F4@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:B > And relocating the people would be only a fraction of that cost!    F Consider the strategic importance of New Orleans for the USA: OIL. TheC feds sent generators first to the pipeline companies to restore oil B flow. It location is strategic for shipping due to intersection of missisipi river and gulf.   G It isn't just relocating people that would be needed.  Re-enforcing the J levees and having a real evacuation plan would cost a lot less to the USA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:56:02 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 0 Message-ID: <11hpq014k3t5r75@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Froble wrote: > B >>And you're right.  All NY had to deal with was a small number of@ >>buildings destroyed, and some of the infrastructure damaged orH >>destroyed.  Not trying to diminish the suffering, just setting it on a >>scale. >  > D > We're not in the rebuilding stage yet. We're at the initial crisis+ > handling. Basically first 3 days of 9-11.  > H > The falling of the towers was a cataclism of biblical proportions (due > to their sheer size).   6 Well, once again, JF shows that he's good for a laugh.  - "biblical proportions" ??????????????????????   I Maybe the flooded and devistated areas of at least 3 states might aspire  ? to such a label.  Actually, I think the label is way overblown.   G If a few large buildings in NY amount to "biblical proportions", where  / on the scale are Hiroshima and Nagasaki placed?   ( Where can we find a scale for rating JF?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:06:21 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 0 Message-ID: <11hpqj97r2psm3e@corp.supernews.com>   Bob Kaplow wrote: X > In article <3o2qjvF3u3r8U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > J >>Reminds me of up her after the flood in '72.  The Corps of Engineers hadL >>constructed a dike long before the flood. (It, too, broke, but that wasn'tG >>the CoE's fault.)  There were peoplewho had (Are you ready for this!) H >>built their houses on the river side of the dike! After the flood, theJ >>CoE came through and marked off areas in the flood plain where build wasG >>not to be allowed.  About 15 years later they came back to survey the H >>dike again.  There were brand new houses built in the prohibited area.K >>Luckily, the CoE had the power to order the houses removed and they were. H >>BUt we still have large numbers of people who live right along some ofI >>the rivers here that get flooded out everytime we have a bad rain.  And E >>everytime they cry about being helped through the "crisis" and then ' >>proceed to rebuild in the same place.  >  > H > Disaster relief (flood, earthquake, mudslide, forest fire) should be aH > One-Shot deal. These events are nature's way of saying "live somewhereL > else". I have little sympathy for the folks with the mansions who complainL > that this is the 4th time their house has been trashed by a disaster. Then3 > proceed to rebuild it yet again with federal aid.  >   H Most people don't think.  At least don't think of anything outside "how H it's always been".  You're right, a one-shot deal.  Insurance companies ) should, wait, already been there, no use.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:14:59 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 0 Message-ID: <11hpr3jibf6tcef@corp.supernews.com>   O'Brien Paddy wrote:> > My opinions expressed below and contra to Bill Gunshannon's: > 
 > In article  O > <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BE9B@ex-tg2-pr.corporate.transgrid.local>, B >         "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> writes: >  >K >  >> Many people believe that was a self-made disaster, created by US and   > aided E >  >> by other countries, mainly UK and Australia, which is becoming   > another Vietnam.   >  >  >And they would be wrong. > K > Some other stuff that I thought I wrote seems to have been elided here.   I > Because I use OWA, it is not easy to check.  This does not make sense,  I > but perhaps I had a bad night nd did not write what I thought I had :-(  > K >  >>       The first priority should be one's own country.  Probably Bush   > would K >  >> not lose too much "face" by using this as an excuse to pull out some   > percen >  >> tage of troops.  > I >  >Why?  There are still more than enough troops back here to handle the N >  >situation.  It is not a problem of supply, it is a problem of utilization.+ >  >And that is a purely political problem.  > D > I said that he would not lose too much "face" in getting out of a C > situation which seems to be out of US, UK and Australian control.  > K >  >> We (generic -- US, UK and Australia) seem now to be exacerbating the   > bloodshed.  F Well, if the alternative is a religious war between the 3 factions in G Iraq, with the 'ethnic cleansing' that we've seen elsewhere, then much  H as I feel that Iraq has become a burden on the USA and others, I cannot B see any benefit in pulling out and lettings things sink into hell.  J >  >> When the tsunami occurred end of last year, many countries sent aid 	 > (civili N >  >> an and military) to help the relief.  Would US allow that on their soil?  G I would.  I'd gladly accept help from any and all who offer.  Possibly  , the beginning of better relations with some.  I >  >It is  not needed so there is no reason to allow it.  We are not some K >  >third world country whose military is ineffective because it's too busy J >  >fighting local separatist rebels.  The last thing in the world we needG >  >now is sanatation advice from people who live in countries without   > running water. > 8 > I'm afraid your whole paragraph sounds like arrogance.  L Yes, it does.  Do not take it as the response and attitude of all Americans.   > Where does "the J > buck stop"?  The whole chain of command screwed up.  Tell the people in F > the convention centre that US could control their running water and K > their sanitation.  The country where I live is also suffering from water  F > problems, and they are prepared to discuss the situation with other G > countries.  BH,  US does not have the perogative of world experts in   > every field. > C > You need, but personally deplore (though your government readily  D > accepts), help from many areas. Money from EU, 1/2 billion in oil H > reserves from Kuwait, and several other bits and pieces.  Few (in the K > oil scenario) seem to help the poor people involved, but US needs oil !!!  > K > Of course US needs assistance.  Any country that suffers such a disaster  I > does.  My question was engendered because I see US as being too damned  D > proud and so jealous of its territorial rights to allow any other B > country (even friends) to give assistance.  Except where oil is C > concerned!! Keep those SUV's rolling for your wealthier populace.  > J > Incidentally, your earlier disclaimers about police and National Guards E > not being armed seem to have been eroded.  They are killing people  D > indiscriminately!!  As I read (again the BBC, so you might have a K > judgement call) that a male who got so upset about a rape tried to alert  J > the police -- but they shot him dead, because of the manner in which he # > tried to attract their attention.  > J > (As an old rock-'n-roller, glad that Fats Domino was found -- but still G > feel deeply for all the other lives lost, and the hell the survivors   > went through.) >  > Regards, Paddy > J > P.S. Ye gads, I've struggled with this blasted OWA system, which is now 4 > the only way I can access from my Alpha !!!!!!!!!!  % A justified rant, on all issues.  :-)    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2005 20:39:32 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) C Message-ID: <1125977972.943842.133110@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > AEF wrote:K > > Even taking your comment seriously, it is still way off the mark. First 9 > > 3 days of 9/11? What special event happened on day 4?  > G > After a few days, New York started to come back to normal, except for $ > the huge scar in lower manahattan.  F The lower half or less of Manhattan was off limits. the offlimits areaG shrunk rapidly at first and slowly thereafter. AFAIK, Midtown was still G mostly functional. A few subway lines were rerouted for months, but you 3 could still get around except for near ground zero.    > G > But initially, New Yorkers were starved for information/leadership to I > help them understand what was and wasn't working in their city. (and it J > took much longer than 3-4 days for traffic access to manhattan to returnD > to normal). It wasn't information about basic survival, but it was > information nevertheless.   F Really. Hey, what do I know. I just live and work here in NYC. You, in; Montreal (or is it Qeuebec), obviously know far better. ;-)    >   > > Note: 80% of NO  is flooded. >  > CNN mentioned 50% today.   So?    > G > I think that the 80% was spouted out initially because nobody did the J > math/inventory of what was and wasn't flooded. Also, I think wtare levslI > have since receeded a bit, and because large protions were under just a R > bit of water, many areas are probably dry now that were slightly flooded before.   So?    >  > $ > > Fires are burning out of control > E > BBC showed harbour fire fighting ship fighting some wharehouse fire H > CNN showed how NO firefighters were pumping wanter from the streets to > fight fires in flooded areas.   8 Is that New Orleans firefighters or no firefighters? :-)  G that's now, only a week after the hurricane hit. You complained before.  Before is not now. OK?   >  >  > , > > People are desparate for food and water. > J > Yes, although this situation is getting much better now. But there is noH > debate from me that authorities were quite late in getting that going.   I never said otherwise.    > - > >People are trapped in attics and on roofs.  > G > Yes. But this situation has lasted so long because authorities didn't J > bring in the right equipment right away. Doing it by helicopter is goingJ > to take a LONG time. They need boats to do that job, lots of boats. Yes,I > there are logistic issues of bring in boats into a partly flooded city, I > but if the military has amphibious vehicles, they would have been great B > for that.  (and I am not talking about tanks, I am talking about1 > vehicles used to do beach landings from ships.)   F Irrelevant to my point. In fact, most of your post is irrelevant to my point.  D Let me reiterate my point: It is not fair to compare the mayor of NOD with this crisis to Giuliani with 9/11 because 1) the crises are notD comparable and 2) you can't have every mayor of every big city to be like Giuliani.  E Yes, gov't did lots of wrong things. I have no arguemnt with that, SO G STOP BRINGING THAT UP IN DEFENSE OF YOUR CLAIM. IT'S IRRELEVANT!!! EVEN F IF ALL OF YOUR GRIPES ABOUT THE HANDLING OF THE CRISIS ARE TRUE, IT IS IRRELEVANT TO MY POINT.   
 > > Two NOC > > police committed suicide. Others simply turned in their badges.  > F > I would say that lack of leadership and clear direction is partly toB > blame for those. They were left to fend on their own without any3 > leaderhsip trying to fight anarchy. Hopeless job.    Speculation, not admissible.   > J > > collpases, along with several dozen police officers. This is effectiveI > > crisis handling? (I'm not sure how much of this to pin on Giuliani -- G > > NYC's firefighters and police have a history of not getting along.)  > = > Giuliani is ultimately responsible for not having fixed the I > communications problems fully documented after the 1993 bombing. (and I B > don't mean just the political inter-agency stuff, i als mean theI > physical walky talkies not working in the towers). And he is ultimately J > responsible for not forcing the FDNY to have a disaster plan for a major > fire in a tower. > I > But on the days immedatly following the crisis, he handled himself very G > well in terms of leadership and statesperson to inspire confidence in + > new yorkers. (and the rest of the world).   E Ah ha! We are not yet in the days following the crisis. IT STILL IS A D CRISIS! The NYC crisis was over in a few hours during which Giuliani@ almost got himself killed. So your comparing apples and oranges.   >  >  > E > > But things were beyond his control. You want him to lie about it?  > C > There is a way to spin this without sounding desperate and out of I > control. And that is where the mayor failed. He sent out a loud message G > that the city was out of control, wiothout police and FD. What do you J > think hoodlums did when they heard that message ????? Steal guns,  steal) > big time, set fires and start shooting.   G Maybe it already was out of control. You said he wasn't getting an info G out, and now you say he is sending out harmful info. so which is it JF?      > B > In the end, politicians will have to find ways to spin this in aF > positive way because they won't be able to tell the truth: they just' > didn't get this rolling early enough.  > E > Can the mayor honestly say that on the sunday morning, he requested G > 40,000 troups be ready to be airlifted into town as soon as the winds I > died ? Can he honestly say that he asked the military and/or commercial I > airlines to airlift as many people as possible prior to the hurricane ? H > Can he say that he called up the local transit authority and intercityJ > buses to help evacuate ?  My guess is that the answer to that is NO.  SoJ > naturally, the mayor will shift the blame to state/federal poiliticians. > I > If the political structures in the USA put such responsabilities on the B > mayor, then this is where the buck stops. If it puts in on stateA > governors, then that is where the buck stops. It seems that the B > president of the country isn't really normally allowed to "push"I > solutions onto cities/states.  And in fairness to that Bush <censored>, I > he did declare state of emergency well before the hurricane which would F > have given the mayor and governors instand access to federal assets. > H > It would be interesting to get some sort of post mortem on this on whoI > requested what and when. Only then could we start to lay blame and find 3 > ways to prevent such delays from happening again.  >  >  > G > > Not a valid comparison. NYC had functioning communications. NO does . > > not. Aside from all the other differences. > H > You know, the media are sworming in New Orleans. Seems to me that theyE > have no problems relaying their reports in colour. Surely the mayor I > could have made full use of this. And police/fire department have radio J > communiactions that don't rely on telephone companies, they should still > have communications.  @ The same thing happened on 9/11. Communications for those in the building didn't work.    > D > The mayor should have a sat phone, and should have access to walky > talkies to talk to police.  0 And a lot of spare batteries to schlep around!!!    3 [... lots and lots of irrelevant babble omitted...]    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2005 20:41:53 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) C Message-ID: <1125978113.421606.145480@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > AEF wrote:I > > > Mobile phone companies have already restored service to many of the  > > > affected areas.  > > K > > Well glory be! They're saved! Never mind the flooding, the broken flood 4 > > walls or levees or whatever really was breached. >  > I > You may choose to respond with your cynicism. But restoration of mobile I > phone service is a sign that work is going on to bring the city back to I > life. It is progress, despite the media's portrayal that nothing can be F > done because teh whole city os submerged under water and looters areH > shooting left and right, preventing anyone from doing any rescue work. > F > Just because there is very serious flooding in one area doesn't meanI > that the rest of the city cannot be brought back to life. The fact that G > the mobile phone companies brought servuice back even to parts of the P > flooded areas is also an indication that work can also be done in those areas.  C You conveninently ignore the fact that one cell antenna can cover a C large area. There is immensely more to do than set up cell service. G Finding all the dead will be a house by house adventure. That will take 3 a long time. Certainly not days like you suggested.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 23:38:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) , Message-ID: <431D0F51.F89A1BBE@teksavvy.com>   Dave Froble wrote:/ > "biblical proportions" ??????????????????????  > J > Maybe the flooded and devistated areas of at least 3 states might aspireA > to such a label.  Actually, I think the label is way overblown.  > H > If a few large buildings in NY amount to "biblical proportions", where1 > on the scale are Hiroshima and Nagasaki placed?     F The pictures of the WTC did not do it justice in terms of scale.  WhenF the towers collapsed, it was on a scale never before seen by humans onG terms of mass moving down. It doesn't mean that the disaster itself was B bigger than others. It was a very circumscribed event around a few blocks. but the scale was huge.   D A hurricane or tsunami causes way more damage, but from the point ofH view of a single human witnessing it, the towers falling is a far biggerG scale than some 10 metre wave coming onshore. Same way that the rockies F are on a much bigger scale than the poconos north of new york. A humanG cannot witness the total energy of a cyclone/hurricane/typhoon. You can . only witness the enrgy that hits your shelter.    H Katrina didn't do one massive damage. It was a lot of small damages over3 a wide area. The WTC one one single massive damage.   E In terms of energy: WTC collapsing was high voltage but low amperage. * Katrina was low voltage but high amperage.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 01:16:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) , Message-ID: <431D2633.816B14F1@teksavvy.com>  
 AEF wrote:E > You conveninently ignore the fact that one cell antenna can cover a E > large area. There is immensely more to do than set up cell service. I > Finding all the dead will be a house by house adventure. That will take 5 > a long time. Certainly not days like you suggested.   F You and the media see the city in binary terms. It is either submergedE under water or it isn't, it is either toally inhabitable or it isn't.   D You need to fragment the city into neighbourhoods. There are lots ofD neighbourhoods in the greater NO area which are habitable or will beF soon once water pressure is restored, telephone restored etc. In fact,H on monday, they began to allow some residents back to their homes "for a% few days" in order to salvage stuff.    A The last flooded portion of NO may become dry in months, but that P doesn't mean that the city must remain a ghost town during this complete period.  G The fact that they are already working on restoring services means that 4 there is progress towards making the city habitable.  H Life will be restored neighbourhood by neighbourhood. Suburb by suburb. F Homes will be cleaned up and flooded floors rebuilt individually. They9 aren't going to do like in Gaza and destroy all buildings * indiscriminantly and rebuild from scratch.  G Homes who only had basement and ground floor flooded won't have to tear B down the floors above. They will just need to renovate the floodedF floors. A lot of this work will be done over the next couple of years,G but it doesn't mean that homes will be non habitable during that time.      B In term of searching for the dead, you underestimate the number ofD volunteers. And they will proceed at the same rate as water recedes.H Again, it isn't a case of the search for bodies having to wait until theH last drop has been pumped out.  A lot of the work operates in parralell, not in series.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:41:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA64, Message-ID: <431CE5B4.4754E08A@teksavvy.com>   Alan Greig wrote: G > Windows Server 2003 for ever. Next time you see Rich Marcello ask him H > about the future of Itanic. I'd love to know if he can look you in the > eye when he answers.    F It isn't clear to me that people at Marcello's level would be privy toE the real strategic decisions taken at the Hurd level.  There may be a D few HP loyalists who are in the loop, but not sure Marcello would be considered "in".   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:46:57 GMT - From: "Thomas Carroll" <tbcreg@mailsnare.net> # Subject: Security - John the Ripper * Message-ID: <Bq7Te.5909$Di4.4334@trnddc07>  L Has anyone been able to successfully use John the Ripper (running on XP) to F crack any OVMS password? The directions out there seem to be a little  confusing.     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:10:16 +0100 D From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@selex-sas.com>! Subject: VAXen as a plural of VAX - Message-ID: <4315BA48.5F9AA97A@selex-sas.com>   F Is VAXen a well enough established plural of VAX to use in a technical	 document?    Tim    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:31:17 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)R Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 6$ Message-ID: <dfi6e5$o6m$1@online.de>  H In article <43189060$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:    H > Today I was able to reproduce a long lasting and very annoying problemL > of my home workstation also in the office. So it is not a hardware problemG > as I once thought (my graphic adapter - not my LCD monitor - has many K > pixel errors and so I first assumed there might be other errors as well).   G What version of VMS and DECwindows?  I used to get a bug every so often I (seemed to be related to uptime) in which the session-manager log filled  @ up.  Is that what you're seeing?  I'm now at the latest VMS and B DECwindows (pre-8.0, that is) and the bug seems to have gone away.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.497 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        RQA-D_RSX15_1971.pdf  C > Do you happen to know where what the roots of the RSX design cameeC > from ? It doesn't seem to come from any DEC operating system fromh > the 60's.d  B 11M was descended from a real-time exec DC did at Du Pont. I'm not? sure how much it influenced the D side, or A, B, and C for thatn matter.e   -- u< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.6@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:59:38 +01000' From: Elliott Roper <elliott@yrl.co.uk>t$ Subject: Re: PDP-11 OS Release Dates2 Message-ID: <280720031659385420%elliott@yrl.co.uk>  < In article <8765lmonog.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote:  # > aek@spies.com (Al Kossow) writes:B