1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 06 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 498       Contents:# Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question # Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question # Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question 4 Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC Has HP Forgotten?  Re: Has HP Forgotten?  Re: Has HP Forgotten?  Re: Has HP Forgotten?  Re: Has HP Forgotten? 0 RE: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 RE: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)0 Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) Re: MC Authorize+ Re: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA64  PLUG: txt2pdf 8.3  Re: Security - John the Ripper Re: Security - John the Ripper Re: Security - John the Ripper) SYS$QIO with Extended File Specifications - Re: SYS$QIO with Extended File Specifications - Re: SYS$QIO with Extended File Specifications  Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX Re: VAXen as a plural of VAXI Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 6 I Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 6   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 13:58:21 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question, Message-ID: <431da07d$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <rm1Te.11816$xF1.4390@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:f >"David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:431C5FF8.7A9B4CE1@comcast.net...G >> ...though exactly what string will be returned on OpenVMS for x86-64  >> remains to be seen.   And for OpenVMS on Power  G >The only one possible - "VAX" - since you will be running an emulator.   H Nope. The maker of CHARON-VAX is said to have plans for Alpha Emulators,A too. But not for this year and also most likely not for the next.   E Come on Fred. Since when do you think that you make such a decision ? L Iff VMS will come to x86-64 we will hear of the decision (and be surprised).C Iff CHARON-Alpha appears in some years we will (probably) be happy. I But you can't decide that it won't happen, such like JF can't decide that  it will happen.   3 You would have been a wise, if you had been silent.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:16:38 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>, Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question3 Message-ID: <WEgTe.11822$iK4.8637@news.cpqcorp.net>   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:431da07d$1@news.langstoeger.at...     > 5 > You would have been a wise, if you had been silent.  >   K The point is, that a few here - JF in particular - seem to have it in their J mind that there are a couple inevitables: Intel will stop making Itaniums,F VMS will be ported to x86-64, and porting to x86-64 will substantially change VMS's fortunes.  G None of which are supported by any facts.  If such spectulation is left D to stand unchallenged, then it sends the absolute wrong message.  DoD *I* make the decisions about the long term future of VMS?  No, but I@ am in a position to know a bit more about its prospects than JF.  F The odds are substantially higher that the only way VMS will run on an6 x86-64 is via emulation, than it will ever run native.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:08:34 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) , Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question3 Message-ID: <m2kTe.11846$jT4.7192@news.cpqcorp.net>   \ In article <431BDBC9.E508137E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:F :Is there an assurance that f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") will always return aE :value that can be used to build a symbol name or a file name on ODS2  :disks ? : 1 :(eg: no spaces, limited to digits and letters) ?   D   I am aware of no such guarantees within the OpenVMS documentation.  E   If this sort of construct is a consideration within within your DCL G   symbols or other such code, do consider an alternative -- such as the *   use of f$getsyi("ARCH_TYPE") -- instead.    A :For instance, a few years ago, arch_name for that IA64 thing was I :supposed to be "IA-64" but changed to "IA64". Had it remained at IA-64,   :some DCL would break:  M :$library_'f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")' =  "mylibrary_''f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME")'.OLB"   I   I was the one that provided the original text for the documentation for I   the return string -- to allow folks some basis to start the port -- but I   it was subsequently decided -- after the earliest documentation shipped F   and before the code and the full documentation was shipped out -- to>   change the returned string to keep it entirely alphanumeric.  G   I do regularly use f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") within filenames, but I tend 9   to follow a subset approach with my use of DCL symbols.      	--   G   And as I expect this is really a troll seeking to extract information H   and/or to generate follow-up postings, and that this has nothing to doJ   with the question actually posed, I am aware of no plans to port OpenVMS   to any new platforms.   G   I am aware of no plans for a native port of OpenVMS for Power, EM64T, !   AMD64 or other 64 bit platform.   G   I'd be personally flabbergasted if there were ever any future porting F   plans ever even remotely considered for a port backwards to a 32-bitH   platform.   To any 32-bit platform.  But again, I am aware of no plansH   for any new OpenVMS port -- to any platform, whether 8-, 16-, 32-, 64-   or 128-bit, or otherwise.   A   Intel Itanium is the path forward for OpenVMS 64-bit computing.       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:36:17 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) = Subject: Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC 3 Message-ID: <IAu3fJi4Doqd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <X_4Te.975$Tn6.950@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Mister Scary" <daniel_newhouse@earthlink.net> writes: H > You have to join Encompass for $90 a year to get the OpenVMS emulator. >   #    That's just absolutely not true.   6    You can get a VAX simulator, such as SIMH for free.5    You can become an associate to Encompass for free. 4    You can then get a VMS hobbyist license for free.D    You can then install VMS on that emulated VAX by borrowing media.  5    The only time you need to consider spending money: 0       If you want a real VAX, Alpha, or Itanium.5       If you want to be a voting member of Encompass. '       If you want a commercial license. G       If you want to order a copy of the Hobbyist media (same software, >       	 but only selected popular parts so it fits on one CD).   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:59:49 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Has HP Forgotten?Q Message-ID: <OF904E71B8.A134D6F5-ON85257074.00570595-85257074.0057DFC5@metso.com>   Z http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/recovery/story/0,10801,104332,00.html  8 You may retrieve this story by entering QuickLink# 56550   Has HP Forgotten?    Opinion by Don Tennant  J SEPTEMBER 05, 2005 (COMPUTERWORLD) - I couldn't have been the only one whoD was stunned last Monday when Hewlett-Packard said it didn't yet knowK whether its HP Technology Forum, slated to be held in New Orleans two weeks K later, would need to be postponed. That decision, HP said, would be made by  the end of the week.    D It was kind of surreal to read that on the conference Web site whileH toggling to various news sites to read about and view the devastation ofG New Orleans. "Are they kidding?" I asked myself. "The place is a wreck! J There's absolutely no way they can go ahead with the conference. Why can't they see that?"     I A bit of light was shed on the matter when someone forwarded me an e-mail J that the HP Technology Forum team sent to registered attendees last MondayI afternoon. The e-mail stated that HP was monitoring the situation closely I and that a decision on the "direction" of the conference would be made on F or before Sept. 2. Then came the kicker: "Please be cognizant that theG media coverage of an event of this magnitude can be sensationalized for E effect. While some areas have withstood damage, others may have not."     H Now, I have no problem with a healthy skepticism of media reports. We inB the media have goofed up frequently enough to have brought that onA ourselves. But I do have a problem with HP sending out a sweeping B accusatory message under these circumstances. I have no idea how aK journalist would even begin to go about sensationalizing this story. Nobody F has been making this stuff up. We've seen the devastation with our ownE eyes, and we've heard vivid firsthand accounts of the enormity of the F hurricane's impact. Why trivialize all that with a suggestion of media sensationalism?     H When I asked HP why it felt it necessary to convey an accusatory messageF like that, Don Gentile, an HP PR director, e-mailed me an explanation.    H He said the message I have quoted above "was generated quickly by the HPG Americas events team just as the hurricane's initial impact on the Gulf J Coast was being covered. They subsequently explained to us (in PR) that atH that time they didn't want attendees to hastily cancel their plans basedJ solely on media images -- we all remained 'cautiously optimistic' that NewJ Orleans had been spared the worst of it. Other areas were showing signs ofG severe damage and it would be understandably easy to confuse locations. K When the levee situation degraded within the city, they immediately changed G the message on the Web site and of course they sent out a second e-mail 1 message postponing the event shortly thereafter."     J OK, but I still question the indecisiveness -- there simply was no need toK leave hundreds of users in limbo, even for a day. And it's irresponsible to I couch the indecision in distrust of the media. I can't think of any other H vendor that would have taken that tack. But then again, I can't think ofF any other vendor that has such an awkward relationship with its users.    K As we approach the four-year anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, H I can't help but flash back to the events of that horrendous day. No oneH accused the media of sensationalizing that story. Perhaps that's becauseI there was no paralysis to explain. Tough decisions -- yes, even decisions F as relatively inconsequential as canceling IT conferences -- were made% boldly, promptly and with no excuses.     A Consider that one more very good reason to never forget that day.      [signature image]  Don Tennant    G Don Tennant is editor in chief of Computerworld. You can contact him at  don_tennant@computerworld.com.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 16:25:58 GMT . From: JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) Subject: Re: Has HP Forgotten?: Message-ID: <dfkfum$n1f$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  ? The message quoted was sent on Monday before the levees failed.       < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St.              |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:00:49 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Has HP Forgotten?Q Message-ID: <OF5EA65652.EA08C35E-ON85257074.005D0C2D-85257074.005D759A@metso.com>   I JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) wrote on 09/06/2005 12:25:58 PM:   A > The message quoted was sent on Monday before the levees failed.  >   ! That's stated within, followed by   I ] OK, but I still question the indecisiveness -- there simply was no need  toJ ] leave hundreds of users in limbo, even for a day. And it's irresponsible toK ] couch the indecision in distrust of the media. I can't think of any other J ] vendor that would have taken that tack. But then again, I can't think ofH ] any other vendor that has such an awkward relationship with its users.  C Note that this is just one opinion, but many had the same reaction. J I am just passing it along, because as perception it illustrates a problem that HP has exacerbated.  K Nonetheless, your response ISTM indicates you didn't read it all, or didn't 4 get it, and I found it unhelpful - no offense meant.   >  > > > David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718/ > Ohio State University        |      Internet:   > 140 W. 19th St.              | jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu < > Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu > 3 > Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:06:55 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: Has HP Forgotten?8 Message-ID: <P0kTe.703$fb.265@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   David Jones wrote:  A > The message quoted was sent on Monday before the levees failed.   H I think that was just the media being slow. The levees were over-topped G and began failing at the height of the storm but it takes time for the  E current to widen the gaps and fill up the city. Also the 17th street  D pumping station (I think someone said the biggest flood pump in the H world) remained operational throughout Monday and most of Tuesday until H it was submerged. And it wasn't until the media woke up and found their > hotels under water that they realised there had been a breech.  D I recall CNN reporting on Monday morning that flood gauges had gone F off-scale then offline and they thought that meant a levee breech had D occurred. Of course when journalists saw no water downtown that was D downplayed for 24 hours while they all looked at the Superdome roof.  A Pictures of entire towns destroyed only really started going out  8 Tuesday. That didn't mean they weren't destroyed Monday.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:19:30 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> Subject: Re: Has HP Forgotten?= Message-ID: <CckTe.60070$Wb4.444656@twister.southeast.rr.com>   * <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message K news:OF904E71B8.A134D6F5-ON85257074.00570595-85257074.0057DFC5@metso.com...  > \ > http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/recovery/story/0,10801,104332,00.html > : > You may retrieve this story by entering QuickLink# 56550 >  > Has HP Forgotten?  >  > Opinion by Don Tennant    M I totally understood what they meant with the media comment.  I'm shocked he  M didn't have enough common sense to figure that out.  I guess he was too busy  L thinking of a way to be offended.  Then again, that's the typical mentality  these days.  Me, me, me...  M Funny, reminds me of something that happened this weekend.  We took the boys  L to a go-cart track.  A young girl had a shirt on that said, "It's all about < me.  Get over it."  Is that enough to make you puke or what?     --     Ken   % _____________________________________  Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 3 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  HP OpenVMS News and Info   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:50:15 +10006 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>9 Subject: RE: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) X Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BEA0@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B2BF.FFF8808B . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable    Bob,  L Totally agreed -- "I've got money, so why shouldn't I live where I choose."=K   My sympathy is with those without mansions, whether they be black, white= L , yellow or whatever.  I feel so sorry that some congress people are claimi=L ng this as racilist.  The people involved might be entitled to think that, =L but congress [wo]/men are not helping the situation.  There are poor people=  of all colours.  L From the statistics I've seen on NO population, the black population was in=L evitably the ethnic area that suffered the most.  In that state, they are t=L he poorest.  But seemingly that state is the most impoverished in the afflu=1 ent (apart from VMS contractors :-) in the US.=20    Regards, Paddy     -----Original Message-----9 From: Bob Kaplow [mailto:kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars]  Sent: Mon 9/5/2005 11:49 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)  =20 L In article <3o2qjvF3u3r8U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshann= on) writes: J > Reminds me of up her after the flood in '72.  The Corps of Engineers hadL > constructed a dike long before the flood. (It, too, broke, but that wasn'tG > the CoE's fault.)  There were peoplewho had (Are you ready for this!) H > built their houses on the river side of the dike! After the flood, theJ > CoE came through and marked off areas in the flood plain where build wasG > not to be allowed.  About 15 years later they came back to survey the H > dike again.  There were brand new houses built in the prohibited area.K > Luckily, the CoE had the power to order the houses removed and they were. H > BUt we still have large numbers of people who live right along some ofI > the rivers here that get flooded out everytime we have a bad rain.  And E > everytime they cry about being helped through the "crisis" and then ' > proceed to rebuild in the same place.   F Disaster relief (flood, earthquake, mudslide, forest fire) should be aF One-Shot deal. These events are nature's way of saying "live somewhereJ else". I have little sympathy for the folks with the mansions who complainJ that this is the 4th time their house has been trashed by a disaster. Then1 proceed to rebuild it yet again with federal aid.    --=20 L   Bob Kaplow   NAR # 18L   >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)!=  <<<E Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  H Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, "Journey to Babel," stardate 3842.3         G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  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(It, too, broke, but that wa= sn't<BR>L &gt; the CoE's fault.)&nbsp; There were peoplewho had (Are you ready for th= is!)<BR>L &gt; built their houses on the river side of the dike! After the flood, the= <BR>L &gt; CoE came through and marked off areas in the flood plain where build w= as<BR>L &gt; not to be allowed.&nbsp; About 15 years later they came back to survey=  the<BR>L &gt; dike again.&nbsp; There were brand new houses built in the prohibited =	 area.<BR> L &gt; Luckily, the CoE had the power to order the houses removed and they we= re.<BR> L &gt; BUt we still have large numbers of people who live right along some of= <BR>L &gt; the rivers here that get flooded out everytime we have a bad rain.&nbs=
 p; And<BR>L &gt; everytime they cry about being helped through the &quot;crisis&quot; a= nd then<BR> . &gt; proceed to rebuild in the same place.<BR> <BR>J Disaster relief (flood, earthquake, mudslide, forest fire) should be a<BR>L One-Shot deal. These events are nature's way of saying &quot;live somewhere= <BR>L else&quot;. I have little sympathy for the folks with the mansions who comp= lain<BR>L that this is the 4th time their house has been trashed by a disaster. Then<= BR> 5 proceed to rebuild it yet again with federal aid.<BR>  <BR> --<BR>L &nbsp; Bob Kaplow&nbsp;&nbsp; NAR # 18L&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;&gt;&gt; To reply, =3 there's no internet on Mars (yet)! &lt;&lt;&lt;<BR> L Kaplow Klips &amp; Baffle:&nbsp; <A HREF=3D"http://nira-rocketry.org/Docume=G nt/MayJun00.pdf">http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf</A><BR> L &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; www.n=2 ira-rocketry.org&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; www.nar.org<BR> <BR>L Vulcans believe peace should not depend on force. -- Amanda, &quot;Journey = to<BR>  Babel,&quot; stardate 3842.3<BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  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All NY had to deal with was a small number of@ >>buildings destroyed, and some of the infrastructure damaged orH >>destroyed.  Not trying to diminish the suffering, just setting it on a >>scale. >=20 >=20D > We're not in the rebuilding stage yet. We're at the initial crisis+ > handling. Basically first 3 days of 9-11.  >=20H > The falling of the towers was a cataclism of biblical proportions (due > to their sheer size).   6 Well, once again, JF shows that he's good for a laugh.  - "biblical proportions" ??????????????????????   K Maybe the flooded and devistated areas of at least 3 states might aspire=20 ? to such a label.  Actually, I think the label is way overblown.   I If a few large buildings in NY amount to "biblical proportions", where=20 / on the scale are Hiroshima and Nagasaki placed?   ( Where can we find a scale for rating JF?   --=20 4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486         G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination,=207 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   C If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid=20 C immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the=20 ? individual sender except where the sender expressly and with=20 C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid uses > virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************     ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B2C0.DC1E6315 - Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>L <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> K <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 6.5.7226.0"> ? <TITLE>RE: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>) <!-- Converted from text/plain format -->   " <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hmmmm, David<BR> <BR>L The Tower of Babel was in the Bible, but I cannot recall its height compare= d to the World Towers :-)<BR>  <BR> Regards, Paddy<BR> <BR> <BR> -----Original Message-----<BR>L From: Dave Froble [<A HREF=3D"mailto:davef@tsoft-inc.com">mailto:davef@tsof= t-inc.com</A>]<BR> Sent: Tue 9/6/2005 10:56 AM<BR>  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<BR> = Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15)<BR>  <BR> JF Mezei wrote:<BR>  &gt; Dave Froble wrote:<BR>  &gt;<BR>L &gt;&gt;And you're right.&nbsp; All NY had to deal with was a small number = of<BR>J &gt;&gt;buildings destroyed, and some of the infrastructure damaged or<BR>L &gt;&gt;destroyed.&nbsp; Not trying to diminish the suffering, just setting=  it on a<BR> &gt;&gt;scale.<BR> &gt;<BR> &gt;<BR>K &gt; We're not in the rebuilding stage yet. We're at the initial crisis<BR> 2 &gt; handling. Basically first 3 days of 9-11.<BR> &gt;<BR>L &gt; The falling of the towers was a cataclism of biblical proportions (due= <BR> &gt; to their sheer size).<BR> <BR>: Well, once again, JF shows that he's good for a laugh.<BR> <BR>; &quot;biblical proportions&quot; ??????????????????????<BR>  <BR>L Maybe the flooded and devistated areas of at least 3 states might aspire<BR>H to such a label.&nbsp; Actually, I think the label is way overblown.<BR> <BR>L If a few large buildings in NY amount to &quot;biblical proportions&quot;, =	 where<BR> 3 on the scale are Hiroshima and Nagasaki placed?<BR>  <BR>, Where can we find a scale for rating JF?<BR> <BR> --<BR>L David Froble&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=L sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tel: = 724-529-0450<BR>L Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fax: 724-529-05= 96<BR>L DFE Ultralights, Inc.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=8 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com<BR> 170 Grimplin Road<BR>  Vanderbilt, PA&nbsp; 15486<BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT>  </P>   <FONT SIZE=3D3><BR>  <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  <BR>G "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged<BR> B and confidential information intended only for the use of the <BR>F addressees named above.  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TransGrid uses<BR> B virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses<BR>  contained in any attachment.<BR> <BR>@ Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now<BR>( firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"<BR> <BR>K ***********************************************************************<BR>  </FONT>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B2C0.DC1E6315--    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 06:40:36 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) = Message-ID: <UbydnRTHHbK674DeRVn-gA@metrocastcablevision.com>    Dave Froble wrote:   ...   H > Well, if the alternative is a religious war between the 3 factions in I > Iraq, with the 'ethnic cleansing' that we've seen elsewhere, then much  J > as I feel that Iraq has become a burden on the USA and others, I cannot D > see any benefit in pulling out and lettings things sink into hell.   More Bush logic:  A "We've got to invade Iraq to prevent being attacked ourselves by  > Saddam's increasing stockpile of weapons of mass destruction!"  I "We've got to stay because of the chaos that the power vacuum we created   would cause if we left!"  H Once you accept a flawed hypothesis, you can use it to justify anything.  H It turned out (as many had tried to suggest beforehand) that there were I no WMD, and there's no more proof today that the current situation would  ) be any worse if we left than it is today.   B What was clear before the invasion war was that invading Iraq was I illegal under international law and that most of Bush's rationalizations  5 were empty lies, with the rest at least questionable.   G What is clear today is that *we* are a *major* cause of the continuing  G violence in Iraq, and that the majority of Iraqis want us to leave and  G are more than willing to take their own chances about what will happen   after that.   I But, as usual, many Americans just aren't paying attention:  they're far  H more comfortable eating the pablum dished out to them by those who have F their own quite different reasons for wanting us to 'stay the course'.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 07:50:02 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <9ZiB7zXFdjsn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3ns70cF348t0U3@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > L > That's why I said shoot anyone with a gun.  Of course, I think they shouldO > do the same in Iraq but those above me don't agree with that either.  Looters N > are just common criminals.  One can always go afteer them later if it reallyJ > matters.  But shooting at police and rescue helicopters!  That I can not > stand for.  5    Most of the guns in NO today are being carried by:          police       military       private security firms  F    I think "shoot anyone with a gun" is a pretty severe way to violateB    the second amendment.  You're likely to take out a lot of thoseB    private security guys, as well as anyone just queitly defending$    themselves and/or thier property.  G    But shoot back at anyone shooting is, and always has been, right.  I G    would have no problem taking out anyone shooting at a rescue vehicle F    and then pulling up and rescuing others nearby (if they didn't join    the shooter).   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 07:38:47 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <enK$7dUcQW8m@eisner.encompasserve.org>   5    Getting back to the original point of this thread.   F    At least one conference scheduled for NO in September has announcedF    relocation to the Washington, DC (new) Convention Center later this    fall.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 07:37:26 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <t4qyhVPUcfMS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <11hhkcoqlio093b@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote:  J >> We will see.  But it will have to wait till I stop laughing and can get >> back up in my chair.  > I > Yeah, I understand.  But I understand the statement also.  The lowlife  K > that would use a disaster to cover their shameful actions probably don't  I > know that the troops won't have ammo, and won't shoot.  Her bluff just  
 > might help.   H    Guess again, fellows.  The troops ahve been shooting, real live ammo.E    What they have not been doing is shooting at non-violent looters.  ,    They've been returning fire when shot at.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 07:45:17 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <9EcyRIMCij6J@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <87y86f2q5t.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes:  > J > Reallity check. The flood WON'T subside. The flood is fine at sea level,# > and has no plans to go any where.  > D > When they rebuild the levees, and get power to the pumps, then the# > water level may be forced down...   E    Try lake level, not sea level.  Lake Ponchatrain has gone down and E    intentional breaches of the levies have been made to allow some of 1    the deeper floodig to drainback into the lake.   H    Now I do think before we rush into rebuild NO some rezoning is called    for:   E       preserve the historic distric, much of which is above sea level )    (the original settlers weren't stupid)   C       relocate all residential districts to higher ground (probably 6    outside city limits), or fill the ground they're on  '       make the lowest lying areas parks   )       the next lowest parks or commercial   E       put in high-speed rail to link the new residential areas to the     commercial-only area   G    IMHO all primary and secondary flood plain should be parkland.  That 1    covers most of NO.  Don't rebuild the mistake.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:09:53 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <rj3LNauCtlO3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <431A0243.B0A47008@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > AEF wrote:G >> Don't be ridiculous. It is the Air Force's job to defend the nation.  > I > Yep. And even on 9-11, they were ready. Aren't they in a constant state G > of readiness ? It is a question of them being given orders. Until the ' > orders come, they don't take action.    @    No.  The military does not generally keep a constant state ofC    readiness comparable to what it would have required to intercept F    the first three airplanes on 9/11.  If they did then the third, and4    possibly the second, might have been intercepted.  C    Up until the Regan era, Stragegic Air Command maintained a fleet B    of bombers at ready.  One of the results of the end of the Cold@    War was that they were ordered to stand down after decades ofG    standing ready.  IIRC the stand down order was given by G.H.W. Bush. A    It was a happy day for all of us who understood what it meant.   C    Nowdays the military does keep fighters standing ready at select F    locations.  They can intercept a C-150 doing 90 kt over DC in less     than a quarter hour.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:14:19 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <pHsFxg5u5xgj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <431BC33A.99CC464F@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:H > For those who believe the media's "doom and gloom" of New Orleans, andG > beleieve that the whole area is destroyed/flooded and won't be usable  > for months...  > f > http://news.com.com/Wireless+carriers+reconnect+in+New+Orleans/2100-1039_3-5849066.html?tag=nefd.top > E > Mobile phone companies have already restored service to many of the  > affected areas.   <    Meanwhile, when residents do get through to those who areB    supposed to proide aid, they're still getting to much red tape:  )    > I need your address and phone number &    >> I don't have an address or phone     > I can take an email address      They just don't get it.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:22:05 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <vppEHiCtFbNX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <H7XSe.7836$pm2.961@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > C >> And relocating the people would be only a fraction of that cost!  > E > So would you suggest they relocate Los Angeles, San Francisco etc.  K > before they are hit by a richter 9 quake? While that might seem logical,  ( > good luck in convincing the residents!  =    Building codes in CA specifically address the potential of F    earthquakes.  NO stood in recognition of the flooding potential and7    accomplished next to nothing other than recognition.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:17:32 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <RnlTRMN7hVhM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <1125897230.676581.220600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > B > And what do you do about those who refuse to leave, as many did?  4    Those who refuse to leave, its thier own problem.  E    Those who wanted to leave, but had no car and little money, should A    have been bussed out in an organized manner.  When that didn't D    happen they were told to go to the Superdome, which they did, and0    at which they were not properly provided for.  D    Or did you think there were no poor people in NO?  Everybody just    stubborn, are they?   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:25:48 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <nsBqdNo0jhBd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <3o2qjvF3u3r8U1@individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > J > Reminds me of up her after the flood in '72.  The Corps of Engineers hadL > constructed a dike long before the flood. (It, too, broke, but that wasn'tG > the CoE's fault.)  There were peoplewho had (Are you ready for this!) 3 > built their houses on the river side of the dike!   G    Down the street from where I work there is a new housing development E    going in.  On the master plan the area is marked as a flood plain  H    "WSSC recommends no build."  (Washington Sububan Sanitary Commission,@    responsible for sewer and drinking water and related issues.)  A    The developer doens't care.  Guess what the politicians think.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:27:58 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) 3 Message-ID: <v5iHEwcyy7t0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <11hpq014k3t5r75@corp.supernews.com>, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > / > "biblical proportions" ??????????????????????  > K > Maybe the flooded and devistated areas of at least 3 states might aspire  A > to such a label.  Actually, I think the label is way overblown.   ?    So this is God's retribution for the US having re-elected W?   "    (Got what we deserved, did we?)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 07:42:58 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) C Message-ID: <1126017778.222501.172020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:l > In article <1125897230.676581.220600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes: > > D > > And what do you do about those who refuse to leave, as many did? > 6 >    Those who refuse to leave, its thier own problem.  9 The press and the public likely wouldn't see it that way.     G >    Those who wanted to leave, but had no car and little money, should C >    have been bussed out in an organized manner.  When that didn't    Agreed.   F >    happen they were told to go to the Superdome, which they did, and2 >    at which they were not properly provided for.   Apparently.    > F >    Or did you think there were no poor people in NO?  Everybody just >    stubborn, are they?    D No, I didn't think that. But if any sizeable number of people stayed? behind of their own volition, none of the criticisms would have F changed. At some point you must force people to evauate or put up withC possibly unjustified criticism. I saw on TV this weekend footage of = some people, trapped in a house, STILL refusing to leave. The G authorities told them to cooperate or be handcuffed. So I suspect quite D a few more would have refused to leave even if they had the money to leave.  C I was simply trying to say that post I quoted said something to the F effect "Well, all you have to do is blah, blah, blah" and I was saying that it was not so simple.  G Hopefully, I didn't just get myself into trouble by clarifying as I did  for David Froble!    GMAB, M. Don't ASS-U-ME.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:59:07 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>9 Subject: Re: Hp Technology forum (New Orleans sept 12-15) < Message-ID: <%8iTe.10488$2n6.6364@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  
 AEF wrote:  G >>   Those who wanted to leave, but had no car and little money, should C >>   have been bussed out in an organized manner.  When that didn't  >  > 	 > Agreed.   H But with the mandatory evacuation order, which had never happened in NO A before, only issued at about 10:30am Sunday (mayor, governor and  H president all spoke on telephone and backed the mayor's decision) there F was little time even to communicate with some residents let alone bus 	 them out.   G That said, local media reported the mayor pleaded with folks to get on  H what free bus service they could provide or head for the Superdome as a E last resort. Although conditions were bad in the Superdome they were  C still far better than drowning as it seems thousands may have done.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:41:47 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: MC Authorize 3 Message-ID: <zI7O9QGAO0VP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <1125930757.350139.160380@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Lee Morgan" <leemorgan@ntlworld.com> writes:  > Hi all > & > Can somebody please answer my query? > G > Is there any way for a captive user in a menu or dcl procedure to run 7 > mc authorize without actually exiting the menu first?   D    If you want to intentionally allow the user to run authorize fromE    your DCL menu, yes.  But then they may change their own account to '    not be captive, so what's the point?   D    If you want to run authorize in a controlled, menu driven manner,    that, too, can be done.  H    IIRC you have to be carefull about image rundown in a captive accountF    because it may cause logout.  But generally captive accounts may be8    the right answer to what I think you're trying to do.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:53:06 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>4 Subject: Re: Microsoft to limit Windows apps on IA64; Message-ID: <CqfTe.9156$2n6.2592@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    JF Mezei wrote: H > It isn't clear to me that people at Marcello's level would be privy toG > the real strategic decisions taken at the Hurd level.  There may be a F > few HP loyalists who are in the loop, but not sure Marcello would be > considered "in".  F Marcello is more senior now than he was back at the time of the Alpha E cancellation. He is most certainly following all of this debate. His    latest blog entry from Friday is " 6 In Other News, Alien Landing Confirmed in Roswell, NM.  I I thought many of you who, like me, are big Itanium fans would find this   article interesting.   Rich  , http://www.illuminata.com/perspectives/?p=76 " F Which is an article ridiculing Inquirer and Register stories about HP H dumping Itanium and resurrecting Alpha. Note that he doesn't comment on I the speculation but posts a link to someone else doing so and says it is   "interesting".  F But what Rich *must* know about is what HP are up to with large scale E SMP on X86-64. The 8-way Opteron Proliant blows away *all* of Rich's  F medium scale SMP systems in price performance by a factor of over 2:1 8 and this according to HP's own published SAP benchmarks.  H IBM are already shipping a 32-way SMP X86-64 Xeon MP system using their I own X3 SMP chipset. HP can't stick at 8-way. Sun are due to announce the  D first models in their Galaxy Opteron systems next week. Sun already C scale up to 8-way SMP with Opteron so Galaxy is intended to go far  9 beyond that - although maybe not with first ship product.   E So where is HP's large scale SMP X86-64 offering? Intentionally held  G back to avoid decimating HP Itanium sales according to another analyst  G report I came across on IBM web site. But not for much longer. HP just  7 cannot stay out of this space if Sun and IBM are in it.    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 07:09:01 -0700  From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 8.3C Message-ID: <1126015741.684604.224700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   . We would like to announce txt2pdf 8.3 version.# http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html E txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 script B that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in> every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS.( Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at# http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html ; It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. ) Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO - http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf ) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdf $ http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf) http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf @ If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux,E Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version you can  find a VB GUI: Visual txt2pdf.   What's new in this version? The automatic conversion of strings with http:// ftp:// mailto: D https:// ldap: news: ... into links was one of the first features of txt2pdf.F We have changed strategy and now this feature is optional, you have to select linkuse : 1. E The reasons of this choice are two: the link conversion is made using D RE and it's very time consuming. This means that with big text files< the conversion is slow. The second reason is that Reader 7.xD automatically converts into link http:// https:// ftp:// mailto: ... and also www. and @!  4 Read Independent Liquor Group PDF Invoice Project at' http://www.sanface.com/ilg-project.html    Test txt2pdf 8.3! 6 You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 08:45:11 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: Security - John the Ripper 3 Message-ID: <s+nK7AFy4n6w@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Z In article <Bq7Te.5909$Di4.4334@trnddc07>, "Thomas Carroll" <tbcreg@mailsnare.net> writes:N > Has anyone been able to successfully use John the Ripper (running on XP) to H > crack any OVMS password? The directions out there seem to be a little 
 > confusing.    E The wise system manager will rely upon the VMS Password Dictionary to & ensure that good passwords are chosen.  G But those doing a security review of systems should consider the chance F that someone might have abused privilege to allow forbidden passwords.D Review the audit history for situations where passwords were changed> with Authorize and not subsequently changed with SET PASSWORD.  F Attempting to crack passwords does not accomplish much unless one alsoC ensures controls are in place to prevent such lapses in the future.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:18:26 -0600 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>' Subject: Re: Security - John the Ripper * Message-ID: <431DA532.A4797161@oracle.com>  # sure.  seems to work and does crack # weak passwords.  obviously, if this ! (weak passwords) is a concern for # a particular system, then there are   tools available today (generated' passwords, for example), to drastically ! reduce the odds of easy cracking.    Thomas Carroll wrote:  > M > Has anyone been able to successfully use John the Ripper (running on XP) to G > crack any OVMS password? The directions out there seem to be a little  > confusing.   --  	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:24:58 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ' Subject: Re: Security - John the Ripper 4 Message-ID: <KhkTe.11854$jT4.10810@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <Bq7Te.5909$Di4.4334@trnddc07>, "Thomas Carroll" <tbcreg@mailsnare.net> writes:M :Has anyone been able to successfully use John the Ripper (running on XP) to  G :crack any OVMS password? The directions out there seem to be a little   :confusing.      What's the real question?   D   OpenVMS tries not to keep the original clear-text password around.  H   Brute-force reversing of the hash -- of the Purdy Polynomial -- is andH   is expected to continue to be difficult, though it is also conceivableG   that you could also find a second set of strings that hash out to the H   same value.  This through classic brute-force means, as is used withinJ   the John The Ripper tool, IIRC.  OpenVMS makes no attempt to reverse theJ   password hash, FWIW, and always forward-hashes and compares the results.  J   If the system manager exposes the contents of the authorization databaseJ   to the riff-raff, of course, there are probably other weaknesses within I   the system security configuration.  This is one of the more fundamental K   pieces of OpenVMS security.   (It's also the basis of the John The Ripper G   attack, too -- you need a copy of the authorization database for the     target for the tool.)   F   You can't generally use a dictionary attack directly against OpenVMSF   due to its default break-in evasion, so you are left to use indirectB   dictionary, brute-force or other attacks, via John The Ripper or   otherwise.  E   As for the password dictionary, Larry Kilgallen has mentioned that.   I   Another defense includes any of the various customized password filters E   that are available -- these do not defend against the matching-hash G   brute-force attack, but they do defend against the classic dictionary 
   attacks.  H   Security review services are available from HP and quite possibly fromI   other organizations, and a check-list for best-practices OpenVMS system G   security is available in the back of the System Security Manual.  You E   can likely purchase a customized password filter from HP, and quite I   possibly from others -- or you can follow the directions in the OpenVMS $   manuals and build your own filter.  '   Again, what's the real question here?     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 03:20:31 -0700 C From: "vvprasad.Chalumuri@gmail.com" <vvprasad.Chalumuri@gmail.com> 2 Subject: SYS$QIO with Extended File SpecificationsC Message-ID: <1126002031.279724.305910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Hi  F Can anyone please help me in using SYS$QIO/SYS$QIOW with extended file specifications. B Actually I need to search and open a file wit ODS5 Long path name.   Please help me in doing this.    Regards 	 -VVPrasad    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 08:21:20 -0600 4 From: Norman Lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>6 Subject: Re: SYS$QIO with Extended File Specifications* Message-ID: <431DA5E0.1A2754E9@oracle.com>  C I'd think that $PARSE and/or $SEARCH and then $OPEN would get this  A job done just fine.  Use UFO to cause the channel to be returned. B I'm guessing that you'll need to use the NAML block to get all the extended file stuff.  % "vvprasad.Chalumuri@gmail.com" wrote:  >  > Hi > H > Can anyone please help me in using SYS$QIO/SYS$QIOW with extended file > specifications. D > Actually I need to search and open a file wit ODS5 Long path name. >  > Please help me in doing this.  > 	 > Regards  > -VVPrasad    --  	 - - - - - 0  opinions expressed here are mine and mine alone.  and certainly are not intended in any way to 0  express or represent any opinions or commitment  of oracle corporation.   *  norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 14:34:31 GMT . From: JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)6 Subject: Re: SYS$QIO with Extended File Specifications: Message-ID: <dfk9dn$mfa$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  B In message <1126002031.279724.305910@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>G   "vvprasad.Chalumuri@gmail.com" <vvprasad.Chalumuri@gmail.com> writes: G >Can anyone please help me in using SYS$QIO/SYS$QIOW with extended file  >specifications.C >Actually I need to search and open a file wit ODS5 Long path name.   K Use RMS sys$parse and sys$search functions with a NAML block, then open the J file by file ID (FID).  Extended names are encoded differently in the file' header than what they appear as by RMS.   J If you insist on not using RMS, look into the sys$cvt_filename function to convert the encodings.      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 271-6718- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St.              |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 09:55:37 -0700 # From: "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> % Subject: Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX C Message-ID: <1126025737.718732.217390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote:H > Is VAXen a well enough established plural of VAX to use in a technical > document?  >  > Tim   D VAX is a proper adjective, not a noun. A trademark (or tradestyle orA brand-name) describes a particular type of thing. There are a few D tradenames so familiar that they "act" as nouns (Kleenex, Xerox,...)7 but it's still actually Kleenex tissues, Xerox copiers.   A Place and type identifiers (Concord grapes, French wine) are also G proper adjectives. Once the topic of a conversation is established, the : noun may be assumed -- we don't need to keep repeating it.  B So, VAX is a type of computer processor. If we've established thatE we're talking about computers, just using VAX is acceptable unless we > need to distinguish between processor and system architecture.  F It's one VAX, two VAX, three VAX or more. The implied noun and whetherF it's singular or plural should be obvious in context, but if it isn't, use it.    VAXen is vernacular slang.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:16:29 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com% Subject: Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX Q Message-ID: <OF1BAD42CA.2168337A-ON85257074.005DC29D-85257074.005EE4AC@metso.com>   > "WhoDat?" <whohe@whoever.com> wrote on 09/06/2005 12:55:37 PM:   > Tim ffrench-Lynch wrote:J > > Is VAXen a well enough established plural of VAX to use in a technical
 > > document?  > >  > > Tim  > F > VAX is a proper adjective, not a noun. A trademark (or tradestyle orC > brand-name) describes a particular type of thing. There are a few F > tradenames so familiar that they "act" as nouns (Kleenex, Xerox,...)9 > but it's still actually Kleenex tissues, Xerox copiers.  >   G Well, now, where to begin.  "Xerox" is misused as a verb, not a noun or 
 adjective.  C > Place and type identifiers (Concord grapes, French wine) are also I > proper adjectives. Once the topic of a conversation is established, the < > noun may be assumed -- we don't need to keep repeating it. > D > So, VAX is a type of computer processor. If we've established thatG > we're talking about computers, just using VAX is acceptable unless we @ > need to distinguish between processor and system architecture. > H > It's one VAX, two VAX, three VAX or more. The implied noun and whetherH > it's singular or plural should be obvious in context, but if it isn't,	 > use it.   I This is not common usage.  "Fish" is the plural of "fish."  One fish, two G fish, three fish.  "VAX" is decidedly not the plural of "VAX."  One VAX G two VAXes, three VAXes.  More formally, it would be one VAX system, two < VAX systems, three VAX systems (and never three VAX system).  H This has nothing to do with proper adjectives, and everything to do with/ English usage - which follows no rule for long.    >  > VAXen is vernacular slang. >  This is indeed so.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Sep 2005 15:27:21 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)R Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 6, Message-ID: <431db559$1@news.langstoeger.at>  w In article <dfi6e5$o6m$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: I >In article <43189060$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter  >'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  > I >> Today I was able to reproduce a long lasting and very annoying problem M >> of my home workstation also in the office. So it is not a hardware problem H >> as I once thought (my graphic adapter - not my LCD monitor - has manyL >> pixel errors and so I first assumed there might be other errors as well). > % >What version of VMS and DECwindows?     See subject.I And if you had read the text, you would have seen that I have the problem 4 for some/many versions/patchlevels of VMS/MOTIF now.  B I'm very suprised, that the problem is so long existent and nobody? complained (or fixed it) already. Am I the only one seeing it ? 0 Never had a prio 6 endless loop of DECW$SERVER ?  I >                                      I used to get a bug every so often J >(seemed to be related to uptime) in which the session-manager log filled A >up.  Is that what you're seeing?  I'm now at the latest VMS and  C >DECwindows (pre-8.0, that is) and the bug seems to have gone away.   D No. Logfile is ok. Only a looping prio 6 process is giving problems.G And Uptime of my workstation at home is often less than 12 hours a day.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:45:38 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>R Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 64 Message-ID: <SIjTe.11841$TS4.11262@news.cpqcorp.net>  H The problem is that you don't give enough information.  The server is byA definition in an endless loop.  What is different about this one?   J Do you have the Open3D LP installed (if so, then there *is* a problem with) miZeroLine that will cause this symptom).       C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:431db559$1@news.langstoeger.at...F > In article <dfi6e5$o6m$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:K > >In article <43189060$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter  > >'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  > > K > >> Today I was able to reproduce a long lasting and very annoying problem G > >> of my home workstation also in the office. So it is not a hardware  problem J > >> as I once thought (my graphic adapter - not my LCD monitor - has manyG > >> pixel errors and so I first assumed there might be other errors as  well). > > & > >What version of VMS and DECwindows? >  > See subject.K > And if you had read the text, you would have seen that I have the problem 6 > for some/many versions/patchlevels of VMS/MOTIF now. > D > I'm very suprised, that the problem is so long existent and nobodyA > complained (or fixed it) already. Am I the only one seeing it ? 2 > Never had a prio 6 endless loop of DECW$SERVER ? > K > >                                      I used to get a bug every so often K > >(seemed to be related to uptime) in which the session-manager log filled B > >up.  Is that what you're seeing?  I'm now at the latest VMS andE > >DECwindows (pre-8.0, that is) and the bug seems to have gone away.  > F > No. Logfile is ok. Only a looping prio 6 process is giving problems.I > And Uptime of my workstation at home is often less than 12 hours a day.  >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.498 ************************