1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 10 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 505       Contents:# Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question E Re: creating/manipulating user accounts programmatically from Windows = Re: DEC/DECUS memorabilia -- ebay categories and search terms = Re: DEC/DECUS memorabilia -- ebay categories and search terms & European OpenVMS Technical Update Days5 Former Intel chief architect (P4) shoots from the hip  Re: HP Forum location  Re: HP Forum location  Re: HP Forum location  RE: HP Forum location  Re: HP Forum location  Re: HP Forum location  Re: HP Forum location  Re: HP Forum location  Re: HP Forum location 4 HP Technology Forum 2005 Rescheduled October 17 - 208 Re: HP Technology Forum 2005 Rescheduled October 17 - 20( Re: Hurd to detail strategic plan Dec 13( Re: Hurd to detail strategic plan Dec 13- Re: OpenVMS  FTP server with these features ? / Re: OT: Dell queitly remove all Itanium servers 
 SSH to VMS Re: SSH to VMS Re: SSH to VMS Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX' Wget 1.10.1a (less preliminary) exists. I Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 6 I Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 6   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:10:26 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: ARCH_NAME nomenclature question+ Message-ID: <43223282.B03D85BC@comcast.net>    Dave Froble wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > Bob Koehler wrote: > > d > >>In article <431F95AF.F6AAFBDE@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > >>K > >>>At some point, stock holders may demand that Intel stop stuffing money  > >>>down that rathole.  > >>J > >>   Right, just like stockholders are demanding that Sun give up SPARC, > >  > > K > > SPARC doesn't represent decades of promises, vaporware and ... well, no E > > need to repeat what we've all heard and read so many times in the . > > various trade media and financial reports. > >  > > ; > >>   HP give up PCs, and Microsoft sell quality software.  > >  > > L > > That'd break Micro$lop! Too many other providers in the market who wouldJ > > keep the shelves well stocked with stuff that "sort of" works - maybe. > >  > > I > >>   How many stockholders did it take to pressure Compaq into dropping ! > >>   Alpha and merging with HP?  > >  > > B > > Probably just a few influential people with a vested interest. > >  > > I > >>   Stockholders are interested only in the bottom line and haven't in F > >>   most cases got a clue as to what technology a technical company > >>   should be persuing. > >  > > D > > ...except when it becomes a rathole down which their profits are$ > > stuffed. Then, they care plenty! > >  > F > The only problem with that thought is that Intel is making plenty ofE > money.  They have too many products, many fabs, and many customers. 9 >  From a bottom line perspective, Intel is a big winner.   E I've yet to see an American company that would hesitate to trim off a F losing member when someone wanted to look good, either on Wall Street, in the business media or both.  D ...unless, of course, you're Compaq or hp - then you trim your money< makers (Alpha, VMS, etc.) and go for the low/no margin crap.  C > They won't dump the itanic because of any non-technical reasons.    6 I would not be comfortable putting my money on that...   > Now M > once they realize what a bad idea EPIC is, then some decisions may be made.   " That may prove prophetic, I think.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2005 13:28:42 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) N Subject: Re: creating/manipulating user accounts programmatically from Windows3 Message-ID: <3qaPXnhi$jGF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <43219be5_3@news3.prserv.net>, "Dennis Couch" <dencouch@us.ibm.com> writes:N > This is a good point.  I've worked in VMS environments, over the years, thatI > are regulated by the EPA, the FDA, the SEC, and others.  I haven't seen M > anything in quite a while that mentions the C2 certification that VMS (had?   = The TCSEC system under which VMS was evaluated at C2 has been = superceded by the Common Criteria for which no VMS evaluation > has been attempted.  Whenever the VMS Security Product Manager< gives a talk he is able to get silence in the room by askingB which customer has a requirement for a Common Criteria evaluation.  G > still has?)  In the past, VMS systems were used extensively in secure J > environments in various government agencies.  I'm not sure how extensive > that is any more...   ) Yes, VMS is still used in the government.   A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:4320DB4D.8815AA4F@comcast.net...  > mabbuttg@yahoo.ca wrote: >> >> David J Dachtera wrote: >>	 >> <snip>  >> >> >D >> > In general, using a "toy" like Windows to automate a commercialM >> > computing platform like VMS is rather frowned upon. Windows has too many G >> > issues with stability and security for many "regulation compliant"  >> > environments, also. >> >> I agree with the sentiment, > H > Not sentiment, REQUIREMENT! In some of VMS's market niches, complianceG > with government regulations goes well beyond Sarb/Ox, and even beyond  > HIPAA!  L The NIST 800-53 controls will become mandatory for the US Federal Government/ with the December 2005 publication of FIPS 200.   C This is probably more worthwhile than TCSEC since it recognizes the C fact that a system manager can take a strong operating system (like , VMS) and misconfigure it to defeat security.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:55:25 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com F Subject: Re: DEC/DECUS memorabilia -- ebay categories and search terms- Message-ID: <87r7bz75k2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   6 Alan Frisbie <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> writes:  8 > I am getting ready to put a bunch of DEC/DECUS-related9 > memorabilia on ebay.   This includes coffee mugs, pens, 8 > buttons, rulers, posters, and other convention "swag".4 > Some is from the estates of friends, some is mine.  9 > Assuming that anyone even *wants* this stuff, what ebay ( > category would you look in to find it?  1 Funny, I was just thinking of you the other day!!   < Got any 11/23 stuff to sell? Have been contacted by some one@ from Serbia who has a milling machine in trouble and looking for Qbus stuff.   ' e-mail back if you may be able to help.   D Why are you selling your stuff? No way I'd ever sell my Vax Vobiscum	 T-shirt!!    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:41:04 -0700 , From: Alan <Usenet02_REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>F Subject: Re: DEC/DECUS memorabilia -- ebay categories and search terms$ Message-ID: <1126298336.93545@smirk>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  > > Got any 11/23 stuff to sell? Have been contacted by some oneB > from Serbia who has a milling machine in trouble and looking for
 > Qbus stuff.   9 It will be a while before I dig down to that layer.   :-)   ! > Why are you selling your stuff?   : Well, that is a bit of a story.   The first batch of stuff7 is not mine, but belonged to Jim Bostwick, former DECUS 9 RSX SIG Chair.   He died last September, leaving behind a 5 huge collection.   The major hardware is still in his 9 garage in Minnesota, but 35 boxes of manuals, print sets, 8 handbooks, and "small stuff".   As a good friend should,9 I offered to help his family by "finding a good home" for  it all.   9 As I packed up all of Jim's stuff, I realized that 99% of 8 it had no meaning to his family other than it was taking; up space.   This got me to thinking about my own collection 9 and why I was keeping it.   Also, I didn't want my family < and friends to be faced with such a huge task.   In the last< few years, several of my friends have died and I have had to5 help sort out their belongings.   It is very painful.   < The first reason I had for keeping most things was, "I might: need it again someday",  followed by, "Somebody might want< this", and finally, "It would be a shame to throw this out".; This was reinforced by actual occasions when someone really 6 needing something I had.   Whenever someone I knew was< getting rid of DEC-related stuff, I was always there to give
 it a home.  : But this all comes at a price, both mentally and $$$.   My7 life has become so cluttered with "stuff", that I'm not ; enjoying it as much as I would like.   It is hard to change ; a life-style, but I think I need to do it.   I think I will  be happier with less.   : I am scanning all the print sets and hardware manuals, and= they will appear on Bitsavers.org as soon as Al finds time to ; post-process all of them.   This will allow people who want = to restore a, say, PDP-11/35 or PDP-14 the documentation they > need to do it.   Those who insist on having the originals will# find them on ebay.   Everyone wins.   ? I hope that as I gain space around the house and storage units, : I will find it easier to work on the projects that give me> real pleasure, rather than just trying to find room to squeeze in a few more boxes of stuff.    Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2005 15:14:30 -0700 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com / Subject: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days B Message-ID: <1126304070.658105.79800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Dear Distribution lists,  C It is my pleasure to provide you with contact information regarding E this years OpenVMS Technical Update days (TUD). TUD's are designed to A be technical in nature with the majority of the sessions given by F OpenVMS engineers or other members of the BCS team as well as local HPG OpenVMS Ambassadors.  Each agenda is designed by the local country team G to meet local needs. Keep an eye out for the dates for the AP Technical  Update Days.  / Sept 26-27 Germany www.hp.com/de/events/openvms  Italy www.hp.com/it/eventi
 	Sept	29 Rome  	Sept 30 MilanE Oct 4 Switzerland - Zurich - please contact Rene Hanselmann 41 58 444 F 6104 or your local OpenVMS Ambassador (Peter Tanner41 58 444 3537  andB Raymond Freppel 41 58 444 5088  for registration information Oct 6: France http://h40125.www4.hp.com/events/OpenVMS/agenda.asp+ Oct 10-11 Netherlands www.hp.nl/openvms-tud  Oct 13-14 SwedenV http://h40132.www4.hp.com/emea/events/event_info.asp?ev_id=3131&country=se&language=sv  8 If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask.   Please feel free to distribute.   
 Warm Regards,  Sue    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:46:23 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Former Intel chief architect (P4) shoots from the hip; Message-ID: <79pUe.19720$I02.1199961@news20.bellglobal.com>   6 Former Intel chief architect (P4) shoots from the hip:  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14310   H  Bob Colwell, Intel chief architect of Intel's IA32 microprocessors fromC 1992-2000, gave a talk about what being an architect was all about. J Even though Colwell was not directly involved in the design and managementL of the Itanium project, he obviously wasn't totally unaware of the goings on# and challenges with that processor.   K Being no longer employed by Intel, Colwell felt free to give an unvarnished 5 account of his experiences - including the political.   J Fortunately, Colwell's comments have been recorded, which can currently beF viewed online. One can only say that what Colwell has to say is an eyeL opener, some of which gives a fly on the wall account of the interactions of' management, marketing, and engineering.   G With Intel's decision to embrace the AMD64 instruction set for its IA32 F platform, the concerns that Colwell had about Itanium look pretty much justified today.  F This 90 minute talk is an education. So be prepared to be entertained.  F http://stanford-online.stanford.edu/courses/ee380/040218-ee380-100.asx    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:27:48 -0400? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>  Subject: Re: HP Forum location0 Message-ID: <11i3vergh2giacb@corp.supernews.com>  I We have a good sized airport with direct flights to Chicago, Atlanta, New % York Laguardia, Cincinnati, Charlotte    AMERICAN DELTA  CONTINENTAL  AIRTRAN  INDEPENDENCE AIR  " What else could anyone ask for ???   And the hotels???  About 3000    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message; news:6.1.2.0.2.20050908122310.023f1298@raptor.psccos.com... J > Works for me.  My daughter, her husband, and our brand-new granddaughter5 > live just outside Savannah at Fort Stewart...<grin>  > H > *BUT* - one thing I think that would weigh heavily for me for a choice would F > be the availability of cheap and easy access to the place by air and without L > changing planes.  That's where a city like St Louis, NO, Ananheim and even > Denver has a big advantage.  > E > At 12:08 PM 9/8/2005, David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: E > >I wonder why HP has never used Savannah GA for one of these events  > > L > >Beautiful place (v. similar to how New Orleans used to be) warm, loads of > >Hotels, restaurants > > J > >Brand new HUGE conference centre on Hutchison Island - a 1 minute ferry ride1 > >across the Savannah river to historic downtown  > >This place is very large. > > J > >If anyone wants info I know someone in the Savannah Gov responsible for
 > >booking > >  > >DT  > >  > >--  > >  > >David B Turner  > >Island Computers US Corp  > >2700 Gregory St, Suite 180  > >Savannah GA 31404 > >Tel: 912 447 6622 X201  > >Cell: 912 447 6622 X252 > >Fax: 912 201 0402 > >Email: dbturner@icusc.com > >Web: http://www.islandco.com ( > >=====================================? > >All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions 1 > >of sale. These should be read before ordering. ( > >http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html > > , > ><norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message > L >news:OF904E71B8.A134D6F5-ON85257074.00570595-85257074.0057DFC5@metso.com... > > >  > > >  > L >http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/recovery/story/0,10801 ,104332,00.html  > > > > > > > You may retrieve this story by entering QuickLink# 56550 > > >  > > > Has HP Forgotten?  > > >  > > > Opinion by Don Tennant > > > L > > > SEPTEMBER 05, 2005 (COMPUTERWORLD) - I couldn't have been the only one who J > > > was stunned last Monday when Hewlett-Packard said it didn't yet knowK > > > whether its HP Technology Forum, slated to be held in New Orleans two  > >weeksI > > > later, would need to be postponed. That decision, HP said, would be  made > >by  > > > the end of the week. > > >  > > > J > > > It was kind of surreal to read that on the conference Web site whileK > > > toggling to various news sites to read about and view the devastation  ofF > > > New Orleans. "Are they kidding?" I asked myself. "The place is a wreck!J > > > There's absolutely no way they can go ahead with the conference. Why can't  > > > they see that?"  > > >  > > > H > > > A bit of light was shed on the matter when someone forwarded me an e-mailI > > > that the HP Technology Forum team sent to registered attendees last  MondayG > > > afternoon. The e-mail stated that HP was monitoring the situation  closely L > > > and that a decision on the "direction" of the conference would be made onL > > > or before Sept. 2. Then came the kicker: "Please be cognizant that theI > > > media coverage of an event of this magnitude can be sensationalized  for K > > > effect. While some areas have withstood damage, others may have not."  > > >  > > > K > > > Now, I have no problem with a healthy skepticism of media reports. We  inH > > > the media have goofed up frequently enough to have brought that onG > > > ourselves. But I do have a problem with HP sending out a sweeping H > > > accusatory message under these circumstances. I have no idea how aJ > > > journalist would even begin to go about sensationalizing this story.	 > >Nobody L > > > has been making this stuff up. We've seen the devastation with our ownK > > > eyes, and we've heard vivid firsthand accounts of the enormity of the L > > > hurricane's impact. Why trivialize all that with a suggestion of media > > > sensationalism?  > > >  > > > F > > > When I asked HP why it felt it necessary to convey an accusatory message L > > > like that, Don Gentile, an HP PR director, e-mailed me an explanation. > > >  > > > K > > > He said the message I have quoted above "was generated quickly by the  HPH > > > Americas events team just as the hurricane's initial impact on the GulfH > > > Coast was being covered. They subsequently explained to us (in PR) that at H > > > that time they didn't want attendees to hastily cancel their plans based L > > > solely on media images -- we all remained 'cautiously optimistic' that New G > > > Orleans had been spared the worst of it. Other areas were showing  signs ofB > > > severe damage and it would be understandably easy to confuse
 locations.I > > > When the levee situation degraded within the city, they immediately 
 > >changedF > > > the message on the Web site and of course they sent out a second e-mail7 > > > message postponing the event shortly thereafter."  > > >  > > > H > > > OK, but I still question the indecisiveness -- there simply was no need to @ > > > leave hundreds of users in limbo, even for a day. And it's
 irresponsible  > >to I > > > couch the indecision in distrust of the media. I can't think of any  other K > > > vendor that would have taken that tack. But then again, I can't think  ofL > > > any other vendor that has such an awkward relationship with its users. > > >  > > > H > > > As we approach the four-year anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist > >attacks, J > > > I can't help but flash back to the events of that horrendous day. No one F > > > accused the media of sensationalizing that story. Perhaps that's because E > > > there was no paralysis to explain. Tough decisions -- yes, even 	 decisions L > > > as relatively inconsequential as canceling IT conferences -- were made+ > > > boldly, promptly and with no excuses.  > > >  > > > G > > > Consider that one more very good reason to never forget that day.  > > >  > > > $ > > > [signature image]  Don Tennant > > >  > > > J > > > Don Tennant is editor in chief of Computerworld. You can contact him at$ > > > don_tennant@computerworld.com. > > >  > > >  > > >  >  > ------L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+L > | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |L > | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |L > | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |L > | http://www.process.com        |                                        |L > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:06:56 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>  Subject: Re: HP Forum location% Message-ID: <kAoUe.94$R9.41@trnddc02>    Try Orlando October 17-20.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:08:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: HP Forum location, Message-ID: <43222405.2DCC2C99@teksavvy.com>  / "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote:  > And the hotels???  About 3000   ' There are 3000 hotels in Savanah ?  :-)     E Actually, if large cities have "no vacancy" signs on their convention D centres and/or hotels until the rest of the year, looking at smaller, less obvious cities may be a smart solution.    F However, when you consider not only the time needed to book facilitiesG and ensure speakers/exhibitors agree to some new date, you also have to F have materials pritned and sent to invite everyone to the new city and new date for the event.     H Assuming they find a venue today, I am not sure it would be realistic to' hold such an event before mid november.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:27:27 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: HP Forum locationR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B271F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]=20 ! > Sent: September 9, 2005 8:09 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: Re: HP Forum location >=201 > "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" wrote: ! > > And the hotels???  About 3000  >=20) > There are 3000 hotels in Savanah ?  :-)  >=20 >=20G > Actually, if large cities have "no vacancy" signs on their convention F > centres and/or hotels until the rest of the year, looking at smaller. > less obvious cities may be a smart solution. >=20 >=20H > However, when you consider not only the time needed to book facilities? > and ensure speakers/exhibitors agree to some new date, you=20  > also have toH > have materials pritned and sent to invite everyone to the new city and > new date for the event.  >=20 >=20@ > Assuming they find a venue today, I am not sure it would be=20 > realistic to) > hold such an event before mid november.  >=20  0 New location and dates have just been announced:  
 Reference:! http://www.hptechnologyforum.com/     Rescheduled for October 17-20=201 Orange County Convention Center, Orlando, Florida      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2005 01:25:20 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP Forum location+ Message-ID: <3oeqvvF5ll0iU1@individual.net>   % In article <kAoUe.94$R9.41@trnddc02>, 4 	"Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> writes: > Try Orlando October 17-20.  B The humidity in Orlando is miserable most of the year.  I remember@ going there in March once when I was working for Martin Marietta> (do they still have that big complex in the soutwest corner of@ the city?) and it was to uncomfortable to even swim in the pool  until nearly 11:00 PM.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:12:35 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: HP Forum location3 Message-ID: <nirUe.12391$aD7.9277@news.cpqcorp.net>   5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:3oeqvvF5ll0iU1@individual.net... ' > In article <kAoUe.94$R9.41@trnddc02>, 5 > "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> writes:  > > Try Orlando October 17-20. > D > The humidity in Orlando is miserable most of the year.  I rememberB > going there in March once when I was working for Martin Marietta@ > (do they still have that big complex in the soutwest corner ofA > the city?) and it was to uncomfortable to even swim in the pool  > until nearly 11:00 PM. >   C October is a great time of year.   In fact, later October is nearly B the ideal time to visit.  The 54 straight days of 90+ weather justA broke last week, and the temperatures will start to moderate over  the next 6 weeks.   > Disney will be having their International Food & Wine Festival< at Epcot - I'm already set for the Brewers Dinner, and Sake,* Sushi, and Sashimi.  Get reservations now.  < I *hear* if you show your badge at Mission Space, there is a9 private entrance/lounge for HP employees - and a shortcut  through the lines.  @ Bring your clubs - lot's of good golfing.  The Disney Classic is> the 17th-23rd - Tiger is supposed to be there.  Heck - splurge< for a night and stay at the Inn at the Bay Hill CC (Arnold's$ course) and you can play the course.  ; Then head on over to Ron Jon's surf shop in Cocoa Beach and , learn to surf.  Or the Kennedy Space Center.  9 The Orange County Convention Center is a large, sprawling C complex just off of the Beeline, on the south east part of Orlando. < About a 20 minute ride or so (depending on traffic and local= knowledge ;-) from Disney.  Walking distance (sort of) to Sea 3 World.  About 40 minutes to Cocoa Beach.  Somewhere 8 between that and an hour to Daytona.  About 2 hours from< Tampa.  About 10 minutes to Universal.  There is night life,; good food, and good drinking all within walking distance of  the main hotels at the center.   I'll bring the cigars ;-)   + How is that for playing tourism booster ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 21:43:29 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Re: HP Forum location- Message-ID: <43223A3A.245F381C@vaxination.ca>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:  # > http://www.hptechnologyforum.com/  >  > Rescheduled for October 17-20 3 > Orange County Convention Center, Orlando, Florida     H Wow, that is pretty agressive in terms of new date. Well they be able toH mail out new invitations and still give potential attendees time to book  air/hotels at affordable rates ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 21:58:05 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> Subject: Re: HP Forum location- Message-ID: <43223DA6.73321B54@vaxination.ca>    FredK wrote:  ; > > The humidity in Orlando is miserable most of the year.    - > How is that for playing tourism booster ;-)     G Funny, when first person complained about humidity, my reaction was "if D you're stuck in hotel and convention centre all day/night, you don'tF even know what the weather is outdoors, nor if it is daylight or not".  E Then, FredK came out with his tourism guide, and my response was "who @ has time to enjoy the local tourism stuff during a conference ?"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:18:56 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: HP Forum location0 Message-ID: <11i4qt562avpud4@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > # >>http://www.hptechnologyforum.com/  >> >>Rescheduled for October 17-20 3 >>Orange County Convention Center, Orlando, Florida  >  >  > J > Wow, that is pretty agressive in terms of new date. Well they be able toJ > mail out new invitations and still give potential attendees time to book" > air/hotels at affordable rates ?  H My experience, small as it is, is that many people want to be very near @ to such a convention.  For the rest, there are many apartments, E townhouses, and such in the Orlando area at really great rates.  A 3  I bedroom townhouse, with kitchen, etc, ran us somewhere between $100-$200  # per day.  Requires a car of course.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2005 19:25:05 -0700 ! From: susan_skonetski@hotmail.com = Subject: HP Technology Forum 2005 Rescheduled October 17 - 20 B Message-ID: <1126319105.580014.48720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   ----Original Message-----  From: Skonetski, Susan) Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:23 PM  To: Skonetski, SusanF Subject: HP Technology Forum 2005 Rescheduled October 17 - 20 - OK for external use     Dear Distribution Lists,  6 The following is ok for distribution and external use.  
 Warm Regards,  Sue     '  ----------Forwarded message ---------- % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:09:20 -0600 # From: support@hptechnologyforum.com = Subject: HP Technology Forum 2005 Rescheduled October 17 - 20 0 To: Michelle Popejoy <popejoy@Encompasserve.org> Dear Michelle:  F The HP Technology Forum, originally planned for September 12-15 in NewD Orleans, has been rescheduled. The event will now take place October 17-20 ; at the Orange County Convention Center in Orlando, Florida.   D The forum will go forward with the same elements: technical trainingG sessions, hands-on labs, Technology Exchange and HP Solutions Showcase.  We+ sincerely hope you will join us in Orlando.   E If you have ticketed airline reservations to New Orleans, act now. To D retain the value of your tickets, please refer to the airline ticket> refund and re-ticketing information list compiled by HP Travel HeadquartersG on http://www.hptechnologyforum.com and reschedule your air travel now.     & Registration re-opens on September 16.F To confirm your registration and arrange for new hotel accommodations,D please go to http://www.hptechnologyforum.com beginning on September 16.   ( For the latest information, please visit! http://www.hptechnologyforum.com     Thanks     HP Technology Forum Team   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:19:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: HP Technology Forum 2005 Rescheduled October 17 - 20 , Message-ID: <432250C5.BB124A01@teksavvy.com>  J BTW, just read the airline portion of the hptechnologtyforum.com web site.  F Essentially, the airlines will allow you to use the full value of yourF ticket towards the purchase of a NEW ticket. So you need to book earlyH to benefit from a low fare. If not, the airline will charge you the fareF difference between your original ticket and the new ticket to Orlando.  H eg: iof you paid $400 for your original ticket, and the new ticket costsD you $500, you'll need to dish out $100 extra. The longer you wait to+ book, the fewer low fares remain available.   H If the new ticket is cheaper, you'll get a voucher for the difference in value.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:24:47 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> 1 Subject: Re: Hurd to detail strategic plan Dec 13 0 Message-ID: <11i3kie89st9l51@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <11i1ud05rcvvm6e@corp.supernews.com>,, > 	Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > D >>You might get the idea that I don't think much of the "never done = >>anything, know everything" consultants, and you'd be right.  >  > = > Gee, I feel the same way about some (most!) academics.  :-)  >  > bill >   C I've heard it said, those who can, do, those who can't, teach.  Or   write.  Or are consultants.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:26:45 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Hurd to detail strategic plan Dec 13 , Message-ID: <4321E1EB.FBCD1A8F@teksavvy.com>  F When Air Canada was bankrupt, its first announcement was that it wouldE restructure itself by creating separate divisions for maintenance etc C etc. So they create a top holding compamny "Air Canada Enterprises" @ which owns the real airline and the new divisions which were nowG subsidiaries.  A lot of consultants and bankers were very happy because E they got a lot of commissions to perform this restructuring, but that > gave AC 0 improvement in productivity and lowering of costs.    G Very often, the restructuring of a company is done at such a high level E that it doesn't actually change the way the corporation operates, but P still allows the execs to claim they have done major changes to the corporation.  D And a lot of it has to do with top leadership. Air Canada was makingE plenty of money with its 747s. But the CEO doesn't like big planes so F the 747s were first to go during bankrupcy, even though they were veryD profitable. Instead, AC decided to buy 100 tiny jets to provide highH freqency services domestically where the airline doesn't make money. TheE smaller planes have higher per passenger costs (you need more pilots, G more flight attendants etc etc). So instead of increasing efficiency of G its domestic network to compete against Westjet, AC decided to decrease F efficiency and HOPE that people will be willing to pay more for higher@ frequency service. AC,s CEO was able to claim to have made majorD restructuring and BPR at the company. But it doesn't mean that those$ changes were good or the right ones.    ? So BPR is a neat concept, but if top mamagement gives the wrong G direction, no matter how much they spend to reorganise the company, the  end result may still be wrong.    F Carly seemed to be the type to make changes just so she could announceD flashy/big changes.  Hurd SEEMS to be different and SEEMS to want toD improve the company by making changes. But we have to wait some more before passing judgement.     G Hurd mentioned forcing the "channel" to stop selling cheap HP computers ? with other people's gear attached to it and instead sell all-HP C solutions. If that is really what he will do, it will do nothing to F improve the efficiency of his C operation and instead he just hopes toF compensate for poor PC efficiency by selling more printers attached to the machine.  G Why doesn't he simply make a Printer that has the PC embedded into it ?   F What I,d like to see Hurd say is exactly why its PC operation isn't asF competitive as Dell's and how he plans to fix those specific areas, as* opposed to making broad stroke statements.  C Broad stroke statements can be dangerous in the enterprise division L because something that mayt be good for HP-UX may in fact hurt VMS big time.  ? Consider a theoratical scenario: Hurd announces that Linux will G eventually become HP's main Unix offering and as a result, marketing is H cut from BCS.  Instead, Hurd should be announcing that marketing will be shifted from HP-UX to VMS.  F So far, I have seen Hurd make broad-stroke statements and I don't haveH full confidence that he is able to look at each subdivision. Hopefully I	 am wrong.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:15:11 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: OpenVMS  FTP server with these features ?+ Message-ID: <4322339F.E9AFAF23@comcast.net>    Christoph Gartmann wrote:  > a > In article <1126274680.650190.24200@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, pierre.bru@gmail.com writes:  > > @ > >I'm looking for an OpenVMS FTP server with these features (in > >decreasing interest order): > > C > >- implement the REST command to allows clients to restart broken  > >downloads > >- implement secure FTP G > >- understand un*x syntax (commands, directories look and feel, ODS-5 2 > >filename (foo.bar.zip instead of foo^.bar.zip)) > 0 > Multinet supports the latter two but not REST.  . I cross-posted this to the Multinet newsgroup.  G I wonder if PSC could be pursuaded to add REST support for binary files  only...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 23:13:43 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: OT: Dell queitly remove all Itanium servers3 Message-ID: <HGoUe.12359$nq7.3807@news.cpqcorp.net>    Alan Greig wrote: K > Noticed today on the Dell website that they seem to have quietly retired  6 >  Itanium servers (well maybe a few factory refurbs.)  = Are you sure it's not just a broken link on the Dell website?   7 There certainly seem to be other working Itanium links:  PowerEdge 3250: ^ http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pedge_3250?c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb I and http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/3250_specs.pdf  PowerEdge 7250: b http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pedge_7250?c=ca&cs=CALCA1&l=en&s=biz I and http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/pedge/en/7250_specs.pdf 1 Configure your PowerEdge 7250 at the Dell Store:  i http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?CS=CALCA1&l=en&c=ca&s=biz&kc=6W300&oc=OCPEDGE7250_RBP_BSD  Dell Server lineup: W http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/servers?c=ca&cs=CALPO1&l=en&s=lpo    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:19:07 -0700% From: DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com>  Subject: SSH to VMS 6 Message-ID: <3f119ada050909131941ef945@mail.gmail.com>  > TCPIP 5.4... Suppose I set up a new account with a pre-expired@ password. If I Telnet to the system, it prompts me to change the& password. That's an expected behavior.C If I SSH to it from a VMS box, same behavior. (Except it appears to - ignore history and dictionary checking. Feh!)   C If I SSH to it from a non-VMS client, I seem have two options: Fail C the login, or merely give the user a message that their password is > expired and to use SET PASSWORD to change it- but then it setsD Pwd_Expired in the users's UAF flags and drops to DCL. If they don't* change their password, they're locked out.  9 R'ing TFM, I find some relevant configuration options for # TCPIP$SSH_HOME:[SSH2]SSHD_CONFIG. :   *    AllowVmsLoginWithExpiredPw          yes*    AllowNonVmsLoginWithExpiredPw       yes(    NumberOfPasswordVerificationPrompts 2  9 a) Who thought the different behavior was a good idea?=20 F b) Any idea getting the second case (non-VMS client) to behave the way? I expect it to, i.e., force a password change if the password's  pre-expired?F c) Is there somethign I can do at the client end to get that behavior,E other than wait for a DCL prompt, invoke SET PASSWORD there, and loop * until they give it an acceptable password?  D This "halfway-but-not-really" moved to VMS stuff is driving me nuts.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:59:39 GMT + From: Jeff Chimene <jchimene@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: SSH to VMS B Message-ID: <%ImUe.8231$Wd7.4578@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   DeanW wrote:@ > TCPIP 5.4... Suppose I set up a new account with a pre-expiredB > password. If I Telnet to the system, it prompts me to change the( > password. That's an expected behavior.E > If I SSH to it from a VMS box, same behavior. (Except it appears to / > ignore history and dictionary checking. Feh!)  > E > If I SSH to it from a non-VMS client, I seem have two options: Fail E > the login, or merely give the user a message that their password is @ > expired and to use SET PASSWORD to change it- but then it setsF > Pwd_Expired in the users's UAF flags and drops to DCL. If they don't, > change their password, they're locked out. > ; > R'ing TFM, I find some relevant configuration options for % > TCPIP$SSH_HOME:[SSH2]SSHD_CONFIG. :  > , >    AllowVmsLoginWithExpiredPw          yes, >    AllowNonVmsLoginWithExpiredPw       yes* >    NumberOfPasswordVerificationPrompts 2 > 9 > a) Who thought the different behavior was a good idea?  H > b) Any idea getting the second case (non-VMS client) to behave the wayA > I expect it to, i.e., force a password change if the password's  > pre-expired?H > c) Is there somethign I can do at the client end to get that behavior,G > other than wait for a DCL prompt, invoke SET PASSWORD there, and loop , > until they give it an acceptable password? > F > This "halfway-but-not-really" moved to VMS stuff is driving me nuts.   Dean,   ? Any possibility of using the .ssh/authorized_keys feature/file?    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2005 16:15:37 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: SSH to VMS 3 Message-ID: <GYIgspKXkji4@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <3f119ada050909131941ef945@mail.gmail.com>, DeanW <dean.woodward@gmail.com> writes:  ; > R'ing TFM, I find some relevant configuration options for % > TCPIP$SSH_HOME:[SSH2]SSHD_CONFIG. :  > , >    AllowVmsLoginWithExpiredPw          yes, >    AllowNonVmsLoginWithExpiredPw       yes* >    NumberOfPasswordVerificationPrompts 2 > ; > a) Who thought the different behavior was a good idea?=20 H > b) Any idea getting the second case (non-VMS client) to behave the wayA > I expect it to, i.e., force a password change if the password's  > pre-expired?  = I don't know a lot about SSH, but I know a bit about LOGINOUT  and the SYS$ACM system service.   A As a guess, it is likely that the SSH protocol does not provide a ? primitive for "ask the user an extra question" to implement the  password change dialog.   = While you may think "choose a new password" is a common need, @ there are much more complex possiblities provided by the SYS$ACMA system service (which your version of SSH might not even be using E yet).  Ignoring smart cards, onetime passwords and other innovations, G consider the simple case where both the primary and secondary passwords 
 have expired.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:05:35 -0600- From: "Jim MacKenzie" <jim@dusykbarlow.sk.ca> % Subject: Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX + Message-ID: <4321cee7$1@news.accesscomm.ca>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:432093BC.24E4E9CC@teksavvy.com... > AEF wrote:F > In french, interestingly, one would *say* VAX even in plurial. ThereB > doesn't seem to be some instinctive need to change it to make itH > plurial.  In writen French, it might not be so evident, but I think itJ > would remain "VAX" with the context of the sentence dictatibng if it was > singular or plurial.  M They always use adjectives or articles to quantify in French, so des Vax for   plural, un Vax for singular.  : It could be des Vaxs, but I am inclined to agree with you.   Jim    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:07:46 -0600- From: "Jim MacKenzie" <jim@dusykbarlow.sk.ca> % Subject: Re: VAXen as a plural of VAX + Message-ID: <4321cf6a$1@news.accesscomm.ca>   ; "John Laird" <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message  2 news:fpu2i1dvt8ehsbc21aqmc8vrbrfrcv9drn@4ax.com...= > Quite.  And the plurals of fax, tax and wax are simply -es.   J My point was that -en as a plural in English, though rare, does exist and  not just for words ending in x.   G "Children" contains an R because "child" used to be "childre".  It was  K pluralized as "children" (-en added, duplicate e deleted as we do with -ed  G verbs ending in e, e.g. abated).  "Childre" became "child"; "children"   stayed the same.   Jim    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:26:50 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)0 Subject: Wget 1.10.1a (less preliminary) exists.2 Message-ID: <05090917265011_202003A2@antinode.org>  H    Having fixed one bug, I assume that Wget 1.10.1a is ready to go.  The4 usual stuff should be available in the usual places:  *       http://antinode.org/dec/sw/wget.html  4       http://antinode.org/ftp/wget/wget-1_10_1a_vms//       ftp://antinode.org/wget/wget-1_10_1a_vms/     G    The bug was a willingness to use the ODS5-invalid characters "?" and C "*" in URL-derived file names ("file specification syntax error").  G They're now converted to "!" and "#", respectively (but suggestions for ? better choices will be entertained for use in future versions).   G    The big feature is large-file support on non-VAX systems.  (It's not + very well tested, but what could go wrong?)   E    Just in case Wget 1.10.1a is flawed in some new and fatal way, the + same fix has also been added to Wget 1.9.1:   3       http://antinode.org/ftp/wget/wget-1_9_1e_vms/ .       ftp://antinode.org/wget/wget-1_9_1e_vms/  E Barring the unexpected, this ("e") should be my final release of Wget  1.9.1 for VMS.    F    With the usual fiddling ("vms/vms_name_fix.sh"), the new kit shouldH still work on UNIX-like systems.  (No bets on Windows, but you could getB lucky.)  When I get an ODS5-compatible MMS (inhale-and-hold), I'llF probably switch it all to an ODS5 file system, which would obviate the	 fiddling.   ,    Complaints are about as welcome as usual.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2005 22:10:28 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)R Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 6, Message-ID: <43220854$1@news.langstoeger.at>  a In article <T1mTe.11887$G55.10639@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: 8 >If you have Open3D installed, but you are not doing 3D.  M Open3D V4.9B is installed on both machines (about 2002, files are from 1999). I I have currently no need for 3D, but who wants to do 3D anyway if 2D (and L probably also 3D) won't work (because Open3D is retired) ? So, no problem...  J >                                                        I "think" you canI >have the effect of getting rid of the TGA2 3D logic by renaming/deleting G >the file sys$manager:decw$server_ddx_gy_wmb.exe;*  (note that there is ! >also a file that is "...wmb_gy".  > I >But to be doubly sure, get your V7.3-2 distribution and copy anything in H >the [SYSLIB] area of the form DECW$*GY*.EXE to your system *as well as* >deleting the file above.   E There is no difference in the other images (both are from 1-OCT-2003) H so I only removed/renamed the DECW$SERVER_DDX_GY_WMB.EXE (to .EXE_LOOPS)6 and hope this is enough (I've yet to see a hang/loop).  G I therefore assume an upgrade to VMS V8.2 (which I plan for this month) I wouldn't have fixed my problem (and also explains why I have this problem  for such a long time). Right ?   Thanks   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:51:37 GMT * From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>R Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V7.3-2,DWMOTIF V1.3-1] DECW$SERVER in Endless Loop at Prio 63 Message-ID: <tBmUe.12348$Rs7.5425@news.cpqcorp.net>   G As I think I said, the images from the VMS distribution itself are OK - @ and you should not see the problem.  The Open3D kit installs newC images onto the system - it shouldn't be replacing the old images - C but nothing like checking to make sure... the decw$device_config_gy D command file looks for a specific DDX image that is installed by theB Open3D LP.  By removing the image that I indicated - it should use; the base kit images - and it won't try to setup OpenGL etc.     C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message & news:43220854$1@news.langstoeger.at...> > In article <T1mTe.11887$G55.10639@news.cpqcorp.net>, "FredK"$ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:: > >If you have Open3D installed, but you are not doing 3D. > H > Open3D V4.9B is installed on both machines (about 2002, files are from 1999).K > I have currently no need for 3D, but who wants to do 3D anyway if 2D (and C > probably also 3D) won't work (because Open3D is retired) ? So, no 
 problem... > L > >                                                        I "think" you canK > >have the effect of getting rid of the TGA2 3D logic by renaming/deleting I > >the file sys$manager:decw$server_ddx_gy_wmb.exe;*  (note that there is # > >also a file that is "...wmb_gy".  > > K > >But to be doubly sure, get your V7.3-2 distribution and copy anything in J > >the [SYSLIB] area of the form DECW$*GY*.EXE to your system *as well as* > >deleting the file above.  > G > There is no difference in the other images (both are from 1-OCT-2003) J > so I only removed/renamed the DECW$SERVER_DDX_GY_WMB.EXE (to .EXE_LOOPS)8 > and hope this is enough (I've yet to see a hang/loop). > I > I therefore assume an upgrade to VMS V8.2 (which I plan for this month) K > wouldn't have fixed my problem (and also explains why I have this problem   > for such a long time). Right ? >  > Thanks >  > --   > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.505 ************************