1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 11 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 507       Contents:  Re: EFI/console general question  Re: EFI/console general question  Re: EFI/console general question- file protection weirdness with apache and PHP 1 Re: file protection weirdness with apache and PHP 1 Re: file protection weirdness with apache and PHP  Re: Postings) RE: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location) ) Re: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location) ) Re: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location) ) Re: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location) ( Re: Postings (was Re: HP Forum location)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:26:57 -0400 2 From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@nospam.hp.com>) Subject: Re: EFI/console general question , Message-ID: <4323342a$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:432118C6.D0F44C87@teksavvy.com...I > Could one go one more step and just replace the ROM chip on an existing F > Microvax II board (example) with a new ROM containing an EFI consoleI > written to support the MVII chip and the specific support chips on that 	 > board ?   I The EFI console is now open source C code at http://www.uefi.org/  It is  M theoretically possible to recompile the code for any processor architecture.  L Each architecture must provide a layer of processor-specific initialization K code that puts the processor into a known state before jumping to the open  L source code.  There is nothing to prevent porting the EFI console to VAX or K Alpha, except for the non-trival task of writing the initialization layer.  K Under the hood of two different systems, you may find the base open source  L EFI code, but the user interface could be completely different depending on G how the OEM has customized the user interface with fancy graphics, etc.   J > If intel makes a certain model Pentium chip, could HP build an EFI basedJ > motherboard/system while Dell would build a BIOS based console, but both > using the same CPU  ?   K The long term goal is for *all* x86 systems to migrate to the EFI console.  M Unfortunately this will not become a reality until Microsoft provides native  7 support for EFI on x86 systems in the Longhorn release.   K Some x86 systems are already shipping with the EFI console, but use a BIOS  H emulation layer under EFI to boot the existing version of Windows until * Microsoft provides native support for EFI.     Paul A. Jacobi OpenVMS System Group
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:40:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: EFI/console general question , Message-ID: <432398F5.7BFF1D84@teksavvy.com>   "Paul A. Jacobi" wrote: L > The long term goal is for *all* x86 systems to migrate to the EFI console.N > Unfortunately this will not become a reality until Microsoft provides native9 > support for EFI on x86 systems in the Longhorn release.     G I understand how the VMS engineers had to tweak ODS to store a VMS file F at a specific location that would be seen as a FAT partition usable byE the EFI loader. (and that includes fixing things like backup/image to ) preserve the loaction specific file etc).   F But does VMS itself really know much about EFI when it boots (eg: whenE EFI loads boot blocks and branches to them)? If I remember correctly, H EFI doesn't provide much in terms of "services" to VMS and VMS must scan, for devices all by itself. Is that correct ?  F If so, in what way is Windows different ?  Would Windows require majorG changes during booting ? Or is it just a question of Microsoft deciding A to accept EFI and testing and packaging EFI compatible version of 	 Windows ?   A Since Windows already understand FAT partitions, it wouldn't need H tweaking of its file system to let the EFI console program reside on the boot disk.      F Once EFI hands control to the OS boot code, what sort of services does the OS expect of EFI ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:13:53 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> ) Subject: Re: EFI/console general question 5 Message-ID: <slrndi7bo1.su4.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   [ In article <432398F5.7BFF1D84@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > ? > If I remember correctly, EFI doesn't provide much in terms of H > "services" to VMS and VMS must scan for devices all by itself. Is that > correct ?   E EFI has to enumerate the devices when it starts, that much's a given.   F It builds device paths based on this information; conceptually similar to OpenFirmware's device paths.   C I'd imagine VMS could potentially make use of this information, but H don't know if it does or not. In recent years, I understand that VMS hasH made use of PCI bus scans to match devices with eligible device drivers.  B So I'm not sure if VMS on I64 makes use of the EFI-returned device enumeration information or not.   H > Once EFI hands control to the OS boot code, what sort of services does > the OS expect of EFI ?   Well, that depends.   H EFI provides several major services including boot services and run-time	 services.   F The EFI boot services basically self-destructs once ExitBootServices()F is called with control transferred to the OS. This happens when the OS. is ready to proceed further with its bring-up.  G However, it is possible to have a run-time EFI driver that continues to > run and provide services, even after the OS has taken control.  F I would guess that the majority of EFI drivers would be for supporting% booting rather than for run-time use?   A I don't know if VMS actually uses EFI once it has seized control.   H More information on EFI's technical design and capabilities can be found at EFI's home page:   $ http://www.intel.com/technology/efi/   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:35:16 -0500  From: wayne@tachysoft.com 6 Subject: file protection weirdness with apache and PHP/ Message-ID: <00A499BE.DA2E286D.3@tachysoft.com>   K I am having been using the OSU web server for a long time, but there hasn't N been a new version for years, so I fear it isn't keeping up with the times, in+ regard to things like PHP and Java and etc.   @ So am currently experimenting with apache, plus PPP and mysql.    N I installed three php applications: a forum/bulletin-board, a chat server, andO a bugtrack/project-management system.  While I have managed to get them running O on vms, sort of, the operation is intermittent, making them extremely difficult I to use.  The forum works most of the time, the chat some of the time, the # bug tracker a real pain in the ass.   M The problem appears to be file protection.  Sometimes I get an actual message 9 saying I can't don't have privilege to access the file.     
 	Forbidden  C 	You don't have permission to acces /tutos/php/mytutos.php on this   	server.  F 	Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encounted while trying to use( 	an ErrorDocument to handle the request.  : 	Apache/2.0.47 (OpenVMS) PHP/4.3.2 Server at ... Port 8092    K Other times I get messages saying the file does not exist, and of course it K does.  I suppose that means no access, making the file appear not to exist.   9 "NO module class file for 'rate' (../php/rate/rate.pinc)"    "missing ../php/config.pinc"  1 I assume this is coming from the php application.   O The occurences are very erratic.  Sometimes I can access the file(s), sometimes O I can't.  Sometimes I can't access a file I was able to read just a few seconds M before.  For instance, I often get a failure when backpaging the browser, and L am unable to call up a page I was just on.  Once it gets in this state, I amI unable to do anything.  Sometimes restarting the browser helps, sometimes O restarting apache helps.  Sometimes just waiting a while helps.  Sometimes just 5 hitting refresh helps.  Like I said, totally erratic.   L Mozilla and firefox (mac versions) and IE under the billybox emultation haveN the problem, but sometimes I can switch from one to the other and the behavior
 is different.     N The actual protections on the files aren't changing, so something is happeningN dynamically in the apache/php environment.  I suppose the application(s) couldO be at fault, but it seems like a coincidence that all three are having the same O errors when calling standard PHP library routines.  And the "Forbidden" message ! seems to come from apache anyway.   L I followed the instructions about running the configuration procedure to setJ the protections on the entire tree.  And even if I had the protections setK wrong, it doesn't explain why the protection changes on the same files over M time.  If prot was actually set wrong, it would fail every single time at the  same place.   J I did not activate suexec, so there should not be instances of pages beingJ accessed from a different account.  My understanding is that everything isK running under the UIC of apache$www.  I have not set up multiple servers or  multiple roots.     M I am using an oddball port (8092), if this makes a difference.  However, as a J test, I tried using the regular port of 80.  It seemed to work better, butJ still got the errors.  Since I can sometimes go for several minutes on theN oddball port (like I say, behavior is totally unpredictable), it may have just *seemed* to work better.  O Probably not the TCP stack, because it was tried with the latest version of two  different stacks.   H Versions of apache and php can be seen in the error messages above.  VMS version is 7.3-2.     N All of the problems are with accessing php source files.  There do not seem toK be an issues with the databases in mysql.  If I can get far enough to enter M data and have it accepted, it makes it into the database perfectly intact.  I H just can't get the forms to display consistently, or to accept the data.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:27:46 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> : Subject: Re: file protection weirdness with apache and PHP( Message-ID: <opsww2gklzzgicya@hyrrokkin>  @ On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:35:16 -0500, <wayne@tachysoft.com> wrote:  H > I am having been using the OSU web server for a long time, but there   > hasn'tH > been a new version for years, so I fear it isn't keeping up with the   > times, in - > regard to things like PHP and Java and etc.    Switch to WASD   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Sep 2005 19:57:56 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> : Subject: Re: file protection weirdness with apache and PHPC Message-ID: <1126407476.939636.207800@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   $ wayne@tachysoft.com wrote (in part):O > The problem appears to be file protection.  Sometimes I get an actual message 9 > saying I can't don't have privilege to access the file.  >  > 	Forbidden > D > 	You don't have permission to acces /tutos/php/mytutos.php on this
 > 	server. > H > 	Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encounted while trying to use* > 	an ErrorDocument to handle the request. > < > 	Apache/2.0.47 (OpenVMS) PHP/4.3.2 Server at ... Port 8092 >   G You can put an ACL on the files and directories that you want Apache to 9 access giving the identifier apache$www read and execute.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:08:16 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com>  Subject: Re: Postings + Message-ID: <3ogm0cF5ssacU1@individual.net>   ( On 2005-09-10 17:56, "Paul Sture" wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote: N >> Kerry, don't you have a newsreader?  Your responses are always out of orderL >> on my newsreader (Opera) at least it doesn't associate the thread,  but   >> that ' >> may be a deficiency of my newsreader  > E > Looking at the message source, Kerry is using the VAX-INFO gateway. <                                                     ^^^^^^^^  < Correct (besides of "Info-VAX" of course) -- and there is no@ "References:" header (referring to message identifiers) which is' *required* to build a thread structure.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:00:37 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> 2 Subject: RE: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location)R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B2732@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]=20 # > Sent: September 10, 2005 11:28 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / > Subject: Postings (was Re: HP Forum location)  >=20< > Kerry, don't you have a newsreader?  Your responses are=20 > always out of order ? > on my newsreader (Opera) at least it doesn't associate the=20  > thread,  but =20 > that& > may be a deficiency of my newsreader >=20   Tom,  E I use outback email with various rules associated with list server ..    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:47:59 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>2 Subject: Re: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location)0 Message-ID: <00A499D1.64CB5FBA.13@tachysoft.com>  ' >From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms3 >Subject: Re: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location) & >Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:56:25 +0200	 >Lines: 7    >  >Tom Linden wrote:N >> Kerry, don't you have a newsreader?  Your responses are always out of orderL >> on my newsreader (Opera) at least it doesn't associate the thread,  but   >> that ' >> may be a deficiency of my newsreader  > D >Looking at the message source, Kerry is using the VAX-INFO gateway.  , Yeah, I do too.  My isp doesn't have usenet.   Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Jake Blues:"You traded the Caddy for a microphone? ...... Okay, I can buy that."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:27:01 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 2 Subject: Re: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location)( Message-ID: <opsww2fb0bzgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:47:59 -0500, Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>   wrote:  . > Yeah, I do too.  My isp doesn't have usenet.  " news.individual.net costs $10/yesr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:44:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: Postings  (was Re: HP Forum location), Message-ID: <43239A0B.9055CDB3@teksavvy.com>   Wayne Sewell wrote: . > Yeah, I do too.  My isp doesn't have usenet.    > atshe tee tee pee colon slash slash news dot astraweb dot com   @ You can subscribe to a prepaid account. $10 gives you 25 gigs of download, no time limit.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Sep 2005 19:54:20 -0700) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> 1 Subject: Re: Postings (was Re: HP Forum location) C Message-ID: <1126407260.843522.288350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>    Wayne Sewell wrote (in part):  > . > Yeah, I do too.  My isp doesn't have usenet. >  > Wayne   1 If you have web access, you can use Google Groups - <http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/>   F You can also use TeraNews <http://www.teranews.com/> which is free forC up to 50Mb data per day. You just have to download a newsreader for  your OS.   Ken    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.507 ************************                                                                                                    