1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 16 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 518       Contents: Announce: POPtoMAIL version 3.7  Re: DELL dumped Itanic?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic? / Re: Finding directory file of current directory  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  RE: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls  Generating HTML from DECWrite ? # Re: Generating HTML from DECWrite ? # Re: Generating HTML from DECWrite ? ) Has anyone added a IRIG-B timing board... $ How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?( Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?$ Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher$ Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher) Re: HP to lay off 5,000 in France/Europe? ) Re: HP to lay off 5,000 in France/Europe? ) Re: HP to lay off 5,000 in France/Europe?   Re: Keeping OpenVMS in-the-house3 Re: MPEG player with sound for "depth 24" graphics? B Re: Multiheaded ATI Radeon 7500 using both VGA and DVI connectionsP Re: Old Flash Plug-in Crashes Mozilla/SWB (was: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent cra Re: OT: WLAN is not a LAN ( Packaging DECwrite/DDIF files for export, Re: Packaging DECwrite/DDIF files for export, Re: Packaging DECwrite/DDIF files for export, Re: Packaging DECwrite/DDIF files for export= Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things A Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things  poor SCSI performance  Re: poor SCSI performance . Re: setting default protection for directories. Re: setting default protection for directories Re: Sun using the "I" word Re: Sun using the "I" word Re: Sun using the "I" word) Was itanium just a ploy to destroy alpha? # [OpenVMS Alpha] CXX V7.1-007 is out   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:57:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Announce: POPtoMAIL version 3.7, Message-ID: <432AB300.23DB759B@teksavvy.com>  H POPtoMAIL is a VMS software which runs as a detached process and fetchesG emails from a list of remote POP mailboxes and delivers them to VMSmail ! destinations using callable mail.    Available free of charge.   E This is the first productised version (but the code, which originated G last century as part of a message router gateway has been running for a  few years already).   G So not sure how well it will work on other platforms/systems. But hey ! ( you get what you pay for :-) ;-) :-) :-)   Comments welcome.     + http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/poptomail.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:10:15 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?3 Message-ID: <H7CWe.12786$f_5.2831@news.cpqcorp.net>   - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: ' > DELL dumps their Itanium server pages  ... = > I think the consensus of opinion now is the Itanium is dead   J Because Dell stops selling boxes with Itanium chips, then Itanium is dead?  I Dell doesn't sell boxes with Opteron chips, so by the same logic Opteron   must be dead. :-)   E This is not the first time Dell has pulled out of the Itanium market   temporarily.  I Dell does minimal R&D. Dell was using the Intel Intel E8870 chipset. The  G E8870 chipset is not planned to be upgraded to fully exploit Montecito  A performance. With Montecito imminent, Dell's offerings using the  G standard Intel chipset would have been uncompetitive with HP or others  E that develop their own chipsets. It will be much easier given Dell's  F low-R&D business model to re-introduce Itanium boxes in 2007 when the ? Xeon and Itanium chips will share the same sockets and chipset.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:28:31 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>  Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?= Message-ID: <_p6dneSCJ8ksb7feRVn-3w@metrocastcablevision.com>    Keith Parris wrote: / > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > ( >> DELL dumps their Itanium server pages >  > ...  > > >> I think the consensus of opinion now is the Itanium is dead >  > L > Because Dell stops selling boxes with Itanium chips, then Itanium is dead?  A The phrase "the straw that broke the camel's back" comes to mind.    > K > Dell doesn't sell boxes with Opteron chips, so by the same logic Opteron   > must be dead. :-)   E Incompetent logic on your part, I'm afraid.  Not only is not selling  G something that you've *never* sold decidedly different from dropping a  D product that you used to sell, but at least one source has reported G buying Opteron systems from Dell recently (they just haven't announced  
 them yet).   > G > This is not the first time Dell has pulled out of the Itanium market   > temporarily.  H What specific evidence do you have that the situation is temporary this  time?    > K > Dell does minimal R&D. Dell was using the Intel Intel E8870 chipset. The  I > E8870 chipset is not planned to be upgraded to fully exploit Montecito  C > performance. With Montecito imminent, Dell's offerings using the  I > standard Intel chipset would have been uncompetitive with HP or others  " > that develop their own chipsets.  G Poppycock.  Dell's offerings using the Intel chipset have already been  E uncompetitive with HP's zx1 and sx1000 chipsets for 3 years, and may  G have suffered in comparison with IBM's x-series Itanic/Xeon chipset as  D well.  Montecito, while offering disappointing per-core performance H (considering the move to a new process generation), would at least have E roughly doubled the performance range of Dell's Itanic offerings (by  G roughly doubling the per-socket performance with dual cores per chip),  I hence have given them a shot at a wider range of the market than they've   previously had.   > The fact that they still weren't interested is rather telling.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:12:27 -0400 - From: William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> 8 Subject: Re: Finding directory file of current directory6 Message-ID: <8660a3a105091606129b8c931@mail.gmail.com>  : On 14 Sep 2005 07:52:59 -0700, R Boyd <bob@hax.com> wrote:H > HP (John Gillings?)  Could we please get support for F$ELEMENT(-n,...)H > added to DCL?  Then it would be easier to pick off the LAST element of/ > a list.   In the same spirit as <filename>;-n  >=20C > Here's a command procedure I wrote years ago to handle the issue:  >=20: > $! uponedir.com -- find previous level in directory tree7 > $!                 return value to global symbol 'p2'  > $! parameters  > $! p1 -- input directory > $! p2 -- output directory 6 > $! p3 -- if present -- gets current dir dirfile spec > $  vfl =3D f$ver(0) " > $  save_dir =3D f$parse("")-".;"& > $  if p1.eqs."" then p1 =3D save_dir > $  set default 'p1' ) > $  prev_dir_lev =3D f$parse("[-]")-".;" $ > $  if prev_dir_lev .eqs."" then  -J > $       prev_dir_lev =3D f$log(f$parse("",,,"device")-":")-".]"-".>"+"]" > $ if p2.nes.""$ > $ then  $ 'p2' =3D=3D prev_dir_lev! > $ else  $ show sym prev_dir_lev 	 > $ endif ) > $ cur_dir =3D f$parse("",,,"DIRECTORY") 4 > $ prev_dir =3D f$parse(prev_dir_lev,,,"DIRECTORY")@ > $ if f$Loc(prev_dir-"]",cur_dir).lt.f$len(cur_dir) then $ goto > not_rootedC > $  cur_dir_spec =3D prev_dir_lev+(cur_dir-"["-"]"-"<"-">")+".DIR"  > $  goto cur_dir_spec > $ not_rooted:  > $  cur_dir_spec =3D > > prev_dir_lev+(cur_dir-(prev_dir-"]"-">")-"]"-">"-".")+".DIR" > $ cur_dir_spec: . > $  if p3.eqs."" then $ show sym cur_dir_spec1 > $  if p3.nes."" then $ 'p3' =3D=3D cur_dir_spec 	 > $ exit:  > $  set default 'save_dir'  > $  vfl =3D f$ver(vfl) 	 > $  exit  > $!Last Modified:  14-FEB-1994  >=20" > See if that solves your problem. >=20 > Robert >=20 >=20   Hi, Bob.   Try Guy Peleg.   WWWebb --=20 C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:20:40 +1200 $ From: "Lurker" <nowhere@nothing.com>$ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls5 Message-ID: <H7wWe.12134$iM2.1054684@news.xtra.co.nz>   - "CJT" <abujlehc@prodigy.net> wrote in message $ news:432A331C.8010100@prodigy.net... > Dave Froble wrote: >  > > BRAD wrote:  > >  > >> Alan Greig wrote: > >> <snip>  > >>I > >>> Itanium is intended for applications such as a project with NASA to K > >>> use thousands of Itanium processors to rebuild the Columbia spaceship $ > >>> and launch it back into space. > >>> --end quote--  > >>> I > >>> Can't figure out whether its a simulation or a recycling project or  > >>> what?  > >>>  > >>J > >> I parse that sentence as meaning, "We're going to take all the unsoldJ > >> Itaniums, fit them together to resemble the Columbia spaceship, (sic)D > >> and launch the whole kit and caboodle into outer space."    :-) > >>, > >> An eminently worthwhile project.    :-) > >> > > % > > There are laws against littering!  > > ; > In space?  What jurisdiction is in charge of enforcement?   , Hmm, you might find those links interesting.1 Both are rather long so I'll include the relevant  parts as well:  ( http://www.american.edu/TED/spacegar.htm  A     "There is no transnational space regime.  However, since most A space activity is the result of government funded research, space = programs are regulated and administered by individual states. ? Article VI of the Space Treaty states that State Parties to the ; Treaty shall bear international responsibility for national ; activities in space, including the moon and other celestial > bodies, whether such activities are carried on by governmental? agencies or by non-governmental entities, and for assuring that E national activities are carried out in conformity with the provisions ! set forth in the present Treaty."    Of course it also says:   ?     "Despite several international treaties including The Outer > Space Treaty of 1967, The Rescue and Return Agreement of 1968,@ The Liability Convention of 1972, The Registration Convention ofD 1976, and The Moon Agreement of 1979, no international law exists to; deal specifically with space debris.  Attempts to apply the E aforementioned treaties have experienced significant legal problems."   , The following link seems to agree with that:  7 http://www.permanent.com/archimedes/tourismarticle.html   D "The Outer Space Treaty's environmental provisions are very limited,H focusing mostly on governmental exploration and research. Its cumbersomeH nation-centered standards once again have limited ability to efficientlyI deal with the ecological damage that could result from commercial tourist 
 activity."   But it also says:   K "Restrictions on littering (and the corresponding fines) could be even more E onerous than on Earth in some situations, given the inability of many < non-terrestrial environments to restore themselves quickly."   Enjoy the read :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:46:11 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)$ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls+ Message-ID: <3ovt4jF7s07jU1@individual.net>   * In article <432A331C.8010100@prodigy.net>,# 	CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes:  > Dave Froble wrote: >  >> BRAD wrote: >>   >>> Alan Greig wrote: 
 >>> <snip> >>> I >>>> Itanium is intended for applications such as a project with NASA to  K >>>> use thousands of Itanium processors to rebuild the Columbia spaceship  # >>>> and launch it back into space.  >>>> --end quote-- >>>>I >>>> Can't figure out whether its a simulation or a recycling project or  
 >>>> what? >>>> >>> J >>> I parse that sentence as meaning, "We're going to take all the unsold J >>> Itaniums, fit them together to resemble the Columbia spaceship, (sic) C >>> and launch the whole kit and caboodle into outer space."    :-)  >>> + >>> An eminently worthwhile project.    :-)  >>>  >>  $ >> There are laws against littering! >>  ; > In space?  What jurisdiction is in charge of enforcement?  >   F Go out and find the premier episode of Dimension-X from 1950 (Old TimeD Radio Program).  It's called "The Outer Limit".  It will make it all clear to you.  :-)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 07:45:53 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls3 Message-ID: <cuXwUKtu$1xE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <r4kWe.33989$k22.4496@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:   J > Itanium is intended for applications such as a project with NASA to use H > thousands of Itanium processors to rebuild the Columbia spaceship and  > launch it back into space.  ?    I've not yet seen an Itanium at any NASA site, but I suspect     there may be a few.  D    Meanwhile I think NASA plans to rebuild the equipment on the gulfF    coast using proven technology so they can rebuild the external tank(    so they can get off the ground again.  G    And I'm quite sure there will be no Itaniums in space any time soon.   F    Reserving Itanium to large systems makes about as much sense as theI    Sears computer salesman who said they didn't have Pentiums yet because G    that was for professionals (several months after Pentiums based PCs      started shipping).   C    Next someone will claim that VAXen died off because they weren't     reserved to the 9000 series.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 07:39:27 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls3 Message-ID: <RrMf5bXsCUcJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <r4kWe.33989$k22.4496@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:H >> Not for the Itanic any more... It has had a Round Rock dropped on it. > I > http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=13587&hed=Dell+Ditches+Itanium  > --quote-- C > Intel was aware of Dells decision, according to Erica Fields, a  K > communications manager with Intel. Theyre focused on the volume server  H > market where our Xeon processors play, and this direction makes sense  > for them, she said.  	    I see:          Dell<PU2>s       <STS>They<PU2>re       them,<CCH>  B    So I think you're editting with a Microsoft product with "smartE    quotes" turned on, which makes your text look pretty dumb.  Please B    turn off that stupid option so that your text will use industry"    standard (legible) punctuation.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Sep 2005 13:14:52 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)$ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls+ Message-ID: <3ovuqcF7i7h4U1@individual.net>   < In article <mpzWe.18046$Kk3.1739@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,+ 	Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > Bob Koehler wrote: >  >>   >>    I see: >>   >>       Dell<PU2>s  >>       <STS>They<PU2>re  >>       them,<CCH>  >>  E >>    So I think you're editting with a Microsoft product with "smart H >>    quotes" turned on, which makes your text look pretty dumb.  PleaseE >>    turn off that stupid option so that your text will use industry % >>    standard (legible) punctuation.  > I > Actually I'm posting with Netscape set explicitly for plain text mode.  G > However I did cut and paste that section from a web page so that may  K > have screwed things up. However if I look back at the raw post of mine I  J > see only plain text. Anyone else seeing problems with the character set?   G All I see is little square boxes.  I'm using knews which has no problem ; displaying most real characters (like Umlauts and es-zett).    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:04:18 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>$ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls< Message-ID: <mpzWe.18046$Kk3.1739@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   Bob Koehler wrote:   >  >    I see:  >  >       Dell<PU2>s >       <STS>They<PU2>re >       them,<CCH> > D >    So I think you're editting with a Microsoft product with "smartG >    quotes" turned on, which makes your text look pretty dumb.  Please D >    turn off that stupid option so that your text will use industry$ >    standard (legible) punctuation.  G Actually I'm posting with Netscape set explicitly for plain text mode.  E However I did cut and paste that section from a web page so that may  I have screwed things up. However if I look back at the raw post of mine I  H see only plain text. Anyone else seeing problems with the character set?     --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:10:20 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com$ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell TollsQ Message-ID: <OFA3847C69.1727B2AA-ON8525707E.004D1844-8525707E.004DD9E3@metso.com>   C Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> wrote on 09/16/2005 09:04:18 AM:    >  >  > Bob Koehler wrote: >  > > 
 > >    I see:  > >  > >       Dell<PU2>s > >       <STS>They<PU2>re > >       them,<CCH> > > F > >    So I think you're editting with a Microsoft product with "smartI > >    quotes" turned on, which makes your text look pretty dumb.  Please F > >    turn off that stupid option so that your text will use industry& > >    standard (legible) punctuation. > H > Actually I'm posting with Netscape set explicitly for plain text mode.F > However I did cut and paste that section from a web page so that mayJ > have screwed things up. However if I look back at the raw post of mine IJ > see only plain text. Anyone else seeing problems with the character set?  / I get the following if I extract the BODY-part:  [start after blank line]   Field Name: Body Data Type: MIME Part Data Length: 881 bytes
 Seq Num: 2 Dup Item ID: 0 Field Flags: SIGN SEAL  , "Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed        prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:G > Not for the Itanic any more... It has had a Round Rock dropped on it.   J http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=3D13587&hed=3DDell+Ditches+Itani= um	 --quote-- E Intel was aware of Dell=92s decision, according to Erica Fields, a=20 J communications manager with Intel. =93They=92re focused on the volume ser= ver=20H market where our Xeon processors play, and this direction makes sense=20 for them,=94 she said.   ... J Itanium is intended for applications such as a project with NASA to use=20H thousands of Itanium processors to rebuild the Columbia spaceship and=20 launch it back into space.
 --end quote--   I Can't figure out whether its a simulation or a recycling project or what?    --=20 
 Alan Greig "  [end]   D Actually "=93They=92re" contains a special-character sharply-slantedC down-to-right begin-quote...apostrophy... and "them,=94" contains a C special-character sharply-slanted up-to-right end-quote, neither of F which is the standard-font text straight down-from-top begin-end quote character we all know and love.   H I have had this happen to me when cut/paste-ing from a web page, becauseF my e-mail client is too smart by half.  I sometimes have to send it to= myself, check and substitute these specials and then post it.      >  >  > -- > Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:48:30 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> $ Subject: RE: For Whom the Dell TollsR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B2966@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----G > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]=20 " > Sent: September 16, 2005 8:46 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & > Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls >=20A > In article <r4kWe.33989$k22.4496@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,=20 , > Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes: >=20B > > Itanium is intended for applications such as a project with=20 > NASA to use=20> > > thousands of Itanium processors to rebuild the Columbia=20 > spaceship and=20 > > launch it back into space. >=20A >    I've not yet seen an Itanium at any NASA site, but I suspect  >    there may be a few. >=20F >    Meanwhile I think NASA plans to rebuild the equipment on the gulfH >    coast using proven technology so they can rebuild the external tank* >    so they can get off the ground again. >=20A >    And I'm quite sure there will be no Itaniums in space any=20  > time soon. >=20H >    Reserving Itanium to large systems makes about as much sense as theB >    Sears computer salesman who said they didn't have Pentiums=20
 > yet because A >    that was for professionals (several months after Pentiums=20  > based PCs=20 >    started shipping).  >=20   Re: Dell and Itanium ..   C Geezz.. Whenever Dell does not have a competitive offering, the fud F comes out via "no Customer demand" or "we are focussed on volume only" or something similar.    Lets check the record:  D Dell's view on blades back in 2003: (before they had blade offering)5 http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20030307S0034 H "Blade technology "may not pan out" as well as expected, Rollins said atF InformationWeek's Spring Conference. "It's great technology," he said,C but concerns are growing about how to cool blades as more powerful, D next-generation processors enter the market. "There isn't an obvious@ solution" to the problem, he said, noting that it's expensive toH ventilate and cool densely packed systems. "So the market for blades mayF be smaller than thought," he added. This would be a blow to the server8 market, which has not seen much growth in recent years."  	 [snip...]   A "Although Dell and others question the wisdom of running multiple G processors in close proximity, Hewlett-Packard last week began shipping D a version of ProLiant server blades that's available with as many as four Intel Xeon MP processors."   	 [snip...]   G "IBM says it's also addressing the heat issue. It cools its BladeCenter G blade servers using fans positioned in the blade chassis that allow for  maximum air flow."  F [Course, the differences in R&D investments between Dell and IBM or HP? might have something to do with the above differences in views]   ' Dell's negative view on AMD: (Nov 2004) H http://news.com.com/Is+Dells+winning+streak+in+jeopardy/2008-1042_3-5435 161.htmlE "Are you getting a lot of customer feedback from people interested in  AMD's Opteron?"   H "We're not getting an overwhelming customer surge that says, "Dang it, IG won't buy unless you get them." There are some who say that but, again,  it's not very large."   G Now watch the story change when they do finally start to offer Opterons  .    :-) :-)    Regards     
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:22:44 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls3 Message-ID: <b9Vg+WUwvKxu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <mpzWe.18046$Kk3.1739@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  >  > Bob Koehler wrote: >  >>   >>    I see: >>   >>       Dell<PU2>s  >>       <STS>They<PU2>re  >>       them,<CCH>  >>  E >>    So I think you're editting with a Microsoft product with "smart H >>    quotes" turned on, which makes your text look pretty dumb.  PleaseE >>    turn off that stupid option so that your text will use industry % >>    standard (legible) punctuation.  > I > Actually I'm posting with Netscape set explicitly for plain text mode.  G > However I did cut and paste that section from a web page so that may  K > have screwed things up. However if I look back at the raw post of mine I  J > see only plain text. Anyone else seeing problems with the character set?   Yes.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:36:36 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) $ Subject: Re: For Whom the Dell Tolls3 Message-ID: <BhJHHtQG03pq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <mpzWe.18046$Kk3.1739@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> writes:  >  > I > Actually I'm posting with Netscape set explicitly for plain text mode.  G > However I did cut and paste that section from a web page so that may  K > have screwed things up. However if I look back at the raw post of mine I  J > see only plain text. Anyone else seeing problems with the character set? >   G    I suspect the cut and paste simply copied the bytes.  Netscape knows D    the Microsoft non-standard character sets.  You might try looking    at the orginal page in lynx.   G    How I really see them depends on what tool I'm using.  Reading under B    VMS using anu-news shows the <> characters, similar to what EDTD    would show.  When I edit the reply, I'm using TPU which shows all2    those characters as reverse bold question mark.  D    You can tell MS "smart quotes" by their curved shape and oppositeD    directions at the start and end of a quoted string.  ANSI and ISOE    only provide a single double quote character which usually renders 7    as two near vertical (sometimes wedge shaped) lines.   G    So if you cut and paste, it was probably the original author who had     MS Dumb-Quotes turned on.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:58:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Generating HTML from DECWrite ?, Message-ID: <432AB359.76EF846A@teksavvy.com>  F Anyone know of a trick to generate HTML from DECwrite/DDIF documents ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:57:41 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>, Subject: Re: Generating HTML from DECWrite ?A Message-ID: <432acf55$0$2103$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>    JF Mezei wrote:   H > Anyone know of a trick to generate HTML from DECwrite/DDIF documents ?   Hi JF,  H I've never tried this, but maybe it's away to preseverve most formattingC (ie not having to extract to an ASCII Text File, import in an HTML   editor and reformat).   H I believe one of the possible conversions of the CDA Tool was DDIF->RTF.9 For the CDA DDIF file (document) format converters see... ; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/cdacvtlib022/   E Then you could use David Mathog's Utility for a RTF->HTML Conversion. 3 RTFtoHTML - David Mathog's VMS SW Archive @ Caltech 0 http://saf.bio.caltech.edu/pub/software/openvms// http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/MATHOG/ + http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/mathog/    Cheers!    K.C.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 08:12:47 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au, Subject: Re: Generating HTML from DECWrite ?C Message-ID: <1126883567.416893.163780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Have you looked at asc2html?% It does a good job on formatted text,  and is highly configurable. * I don't know the decwrite format, but this* deals with runoff output (.rno) very well. Phil/ see http://www.jafsoft.com/asctohtm/a2hvms.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:47:02 GMT , From: "Bob Blunt" <robert.blunt@digital.com>2 Subject: Has anyone added a IRIG-B timing board...3 Message-ID: <qyDWe.12799$926.3376@news.cpqcorp.net>   F We're trying to install a Symmetricom bc635PCI-U board in a DS25.  TheF vendor (formerly Datum?) doesn't support OpenVMS but they were able toH provide a driver for the module from another customer that was built andK working on OpenVMS V7.1-ish.  The driver compiled and linked fine, they had I a command procedure for that.  But nothing was included to get the device L connected via SYSMAN.  I've used information from CLUE CONFIG for the SYSMANK IO CONNECT string and the driver seems to load and connect properly.  We're J struggling a bit because we're trying to build some primitive applications6 to talk to the module based on the driver code itself.  K There were references in the driver and .h files (BCDRIVER, FWIW) to what I K presume was a project called Halfeagle.  No full names were provided in the $ modification history, naturally.  ;)  I If you've worked with this module and can help, either respond here or to  email at  robertDOTbluntATdigitalDOTcom...   Thanks   bob    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:25:27 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com - Subject: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79? B Message-ID: <1126891527.365917.21230@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  D IBM was obliged to produce alphas because of patent infringement ..." the EV79 "we can't do them easily"1 story doesn't wash, except that they bought their ( way out of it ... for how much I wonder?  8 Can they still be forced to produce them in case itanium falls?   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:43:21 -0700 From: perfnerd@yahoo.com1 Subject: Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79? C Message-ID: <1126892601.918337.235270@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    bob@instantwhip.com wrote:F > IBM was obliged to produce alphas because of patent infringement ...$ > the EV79 "we can't do them easily"3 > story doesn't wash, except that they bought their * > way out of it ... for how much I wonder? > : > Can they still be forced to produce them in case itanium > falls?  D Does it matter?  Intel owns the Alpha designs now, not HP.  CapellasC sold it to them just before the merger.  Assuming HP even wanted to 7 bring back the Alpha, HP would need Intel's permission.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2005 23:29:30 -0700& From: "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com>- Subject: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher B Message-ID: <1126852170.456452.56970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   John,   . Where did you find the Shockwave Flash plugin?   TIA,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 12:00:18 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher , Message-ID: <432ab3d2$1@news.langstoeger.at>  k In article <1126852170.456452.56970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes: / >Where did you find the Shockwave Flash plugin?   J http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/cswb_plugins.html   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:13:31 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>2 Subject: Re: HP to lay off 5,000 in France/Europe?+ Message-ID: <3ov9ksF7ugqcU1@individual.net>    Dave Froble wrote:
 > Z wrote: >  >> Dave Froble wrote:  >>< >>>> "AP News is reporting that Palo Alto, California-based F >>>> Hewlett-Packard is 'fighting to stay competitive with formidable I >>>> rivals like IBM and Dell' and is announcing 5,900 European job cuts  I >>>> "to safeguard the future" of the company. From the article: 'Michel  G >>>> Destot, the Socialist deputy mayor of the southern France city of  I >>>> Grenoble - where HP has one of its French plants - said the layoffs  E >>>> were "unacceptable" and demand that HP managers also meet local  D >>>> politicians to discuss scaling back the job cuts.'" This round * >>>> following the first cut back in July. >>>>3 >>>> http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBE5QDVIDE.html  >> >> >>J >>> Why?  Are the 'local politicians' going to come up with some funds to A >>> suppliment the payroll?  HP cannot just raise taxes like the  - >>> politicians do when they want more money.  >> >> >>G >> I wondered the same thing. What does the Mayor of Grenoble think he  G >> can do - except maybe wave his arms and protest "mon dieu!" and get  J >> some good photo ops and cliches out in the press for the next election? >>K >> Surely he's not delusional enough to think he can stop or mitigate this?  >  > G > Well, to a politician, the next election is not everything, it's the  + > only thing.  (Credits to Vince Lombardi.)  >   F With that in mind, why the fuss in this newsgroup? It is only natural F that politicians will seize such an opportunity to try and demonstrate- that they are actively fighting to keep jobs.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 03:51:04 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: HP to lay off 5,000 in France/Europe?, Message-ID: <432A795D.A451E885@teksavvy.com>   Paul Sture wrote:   G > With that in mind, why the fuss in this newsgroup? It is only natural H > that politicians will seize such an opportunity to try and demonstrate/ > that they are actively fighting to keep jobs.   H The fuss is that as customers transfered from Dec to HP which  has a new1 CEO, we are curious to see how HP handles itself.   @ A multinational needs to be sensitive to culture and laws of theH different countries in operates in. In the case of Germany, the question@ becomes whether HP was inept with its announcement or whether itF purposefully got involved in a election campaign at a time where otherE corporations are delaying such announcement in order to stay clear of  political issues.     H Also, *IF* the Grenoble facility is an ex DEC facility where some of theG VMS work was being done, then it does affect us. What products/services F were handled by Grenoble ? Where are they going to be handled from now
 on ? India ?    ? If Hurd is hurting VMS development/support, then it affects us, H especially since he had initially said that R&D wouldn't be affected andE that he would be focusing mostly on redundant administrative support.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:12:51 -0600  From: Dan Notov <d9nn0@hp.com>2 Subject: Re: HP to lay off 5,000 in France/Europe?, Message-ID: <432ae0f3$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >  > G >>With that in mind, why the fuss in this newsgroup? It is only natural H >>that politicians will seize such an opportunity to try and demonstrate/ >>that they are actively fighting to keep jobs.  >  > J > The fuss is that as customers transfered from Dec to HP which  has a new3 > CEO, we are curious to see how HP handles itself.  > B > A multinational needs to be sensitive to culture and laws of theJ > different countries in operates in. In the case of Germany, the questionB > becomes whether HP was inept with its announcement or whether itH > purposefully got involved in a election campaign at a time where otherG > corporations are delaying such announcement in order to stay clear of  > political issues.  >  > J > Also, *IF* the Grenoble facility is an ex DEC facility where some of theI > VMS work was being done, then it does affect us. What products/services H > were handled by Grenoble ? Where are they going to be handled from now > on ? India ?   > A > If Hurd is hurting VMS development/support, then it affects us, J > especially since he had initially said that R&D wouldn't be affected andG > that he would be focusing mostly on redundant administrative support. F Grenoble was a pre-merger HP site. I believe they designed HP PC's in = the past. Not certain what they do there now. The only major  B DEC-heritage site I know of in France is in Valbonne, (sp?) where ' telecom-oriented software is developed.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:11:52 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>) Subject: Re: Keeping OpenVMS in-the-house < Message-ID: <YgBWe.48973$Jp.790910@twister.southeast.rr.com>  8 It's been 2 days and I've gotten 0 (zero) responses.  :(  M I know many of you have written papers to argue the case for OpenVMS in your  6 organization. I know because many call on me for help.  L Help the community by offering these up to be used a templates so the wheel  doesn't have to be re-created.  I Once again, no paper is too small, even if it didn't work, others may be   able to use parts and pieces.   > Please contact me.  We can clean them up to hide any identity.   kfarmer (at) openvms (dot) org       Ken   % _____________________________________  Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 3 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  HP OpenVMS News and Info                B "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> wrote in message 0 news:iO_Ve.1$KB.3546@twister.southeast.rr.com...G >I know many of you have written papers to keep VMS in-the-house.  I'm  M >talking about papers and presentations you've given to your bosses to argue  ' >that the company should remain on VMS.  > J > I want to create a page on OpenVMS.org that has several of these papers L > that the community can use as templates for the same purpose.  Obviously, 8 > these documents would need to be modified for privacy. > M > Everyone will be able to download these documents to assist with their own  I > argument.  Having more than one head working on these papers will help  E > everyone in the community when their turn comes to argue the point.  > @ > No paper is too small or insignificant.  All of them can help. > L > One of the requests on the page will be to share the paper they create in ! > exchange for using the archive.  > K > Please email me if you're interested in helping give back to the OpenVMS   > community.  :) >   > kfarmer (at) openvms (dot) org >  > Ken  > ' > _____________________________________ ! > Kenneth Farmer <>< 336-736-7376 5 > www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org  > HP OpenVMS News and Info >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:41:56 -0600 + From: Mark Berryman <mark@theberrymans.com> < Subject: Re: MPEG player with sound for "depth 24" graphics?# Message-ID: <432a9365@mvb.saic.com>    Steven M. Schweda wrote:E > From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)  >  >  >>How about the mplayer: >>/ >>ftp://mvb.saic.com/extra/mplayer-vms-pre5.zip  >>J >>Never managed to generate the executable from the source, but I'm pretty >>sure >>you are more skilful.  >  > I >    Right.  Well, it claims to need a LIBUNGIF, but I didn't immediately H > find a VMS-suitable kit for that.  The regular source (4.1.3) seems toI > need a bunch of pounding before DEC/Compaq C will like it much.  Anyone * > have a pointer to something which works?  H Simply compile the .C routines found in [.src.lib].  Except for pointer H mismatches, caused by mixing signed and unsigned attributes (an error I F have seen in just about every Unix-based package I've ever looked at) I they will compile cleanly.  I made no edits and used no special switches  > on the command line and have had no problems with the results.  H >    It also claims to need a GTK kit.  I see that HP is offering a GTK+F > kit ("http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/gtk.html").  Is > that suitable?  8 Yes, the GTK kit from HP is what I use to build MPlayer. > H >    On a related topic, I seem to have found a kind soul who is sendingF > me the latest MMOV kit(s), so I can see if anything new happens with > that.   G In so far as I know, the only purpose of the latest kit is to fix some  8 errors in the include files and to add support for V8.2.  E If you want to use MPlayer, make very certain you are using an Alpha   with the MVI instruction set.   
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 09:33:09 -0700 From: elementyl@hotmail.com K Subject: Re: Multiheaded ATI Radeon 7500 using both VGA and DVI connections C Message-ID: <1126888389.704337.182480@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    FredK wrote:H > This is from the VMS section of the installation guide and respresents > tested resolutions.  > [...]  >       1920 x 1200  >      8, 16, 24
 >      60, 75  > [...]   @ Tried this one out and it works fine.  Someone should update the> Graphics update release notes and the product website perhaps?  E BTW my other comments had to do with ongoing calls that we have in to @ support, both with the latest graphics patch.  One issue is thatE occasionally the login box does not come back after a logout, another A is we are seeing occasional system crashes with the configuration - DS15/dual PBXGG, neither are resolved as yet.    James    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 09:06:52 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.comY Subject: Re: Old Flash Plug-in Crashes Mozilla/SWB (was: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent cra C Message-ID: <1126886812.226617.134540@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F And another verification.  The new plugin version stopped the crashes.G Thanks Hoff.  I'm sorry I didn't make more time to research up front on > this, but at least the info is out where folks can see it now.   Rich   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 08:16:21 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: OT: WLAN is not a LAN, Message-ID: <432a7f55$1@news.langstoeger.at>  g In article <4329d6df$0$14598$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl>, Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> writes: ! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: K >> May I ask, what would be your suggestion for a cheap SOHO 802.11g bridge  >> with an integrated switch ? > G >Dunno about the cheap, but a Linksys WET54GS5 seems to be what you're  J >looking for. Not to push it, but that's the only brand that's got such a 4 >thing (checked Sweex, Sitecom, TrendNet and Belkin)  > Thanks. This would cost Euro 152.- here (My 'bridge' was 97.-)  @ But the other side will remain a router (for the internet link).L What would be your suggestion for a cheap SOHO 802.11g router with Firewall,M integrated switch, bridging mode on WLAN, and maybe more (VoIP, Printsrv,...)   , I don't know if a router can/will do this...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:10:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Packaging DECwrite/DDIF files for export , Message-ID: <432A61D3.3C4CA5E8@teksavvy.com>  H Back when the DDIF/CDA architectures were announced, there was mentionedE of DOTS (if I remember correctly) which allowed a document to be sent 2 over the network including all its "attachements".  H A DECwrite document does not normally embed contents of included objectsD (images, charts etc), but instead just has a link to the actual fileE name. So when you move the document to another system, those links no / longer work. Hence the packaging of everything.   B Does anyone know if DOTS was ever implemented, if so, how does one0 create a transportabnle version of a DDIF file ?  H DECWrite does not seem to have any such option in its menus. And the CDA3 converter library doesn't have any DOTS converters.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 00:12:51 -0700, From: "Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de>5 Subject: Re: Packaging DECwrite/DDIF files for export C Message-ID: <1126854771.542417.146830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Check the langauge search with:   I http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=DOTS+vms+ddif+decwrite&source=1000   / there are some hits, may be one is of any help.   
 regards Kalle    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 03:54:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Packaging DECwrite/DDIF files for export , Message-ID: <432A7A34.18E6EC2C@teksavvy.com>   Cluster-Karl wrote:  > ! > Check the langauge search with:  > K > http://hp.ciber.net/hp/match.asp?query=DOTS+vms+ddif+decwrite&source=1000   A Thanks for the pointer. Would have never tough to use HP's search ( capability. Google hadn't given me much.   There is one post atV http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/office_systems/00931912-E225CBE0-1C0125.html  D Essentially, there are no utilities on VMS to support DOTS. However,F DECW$MAIL automatically creates DOTS email messages when you include aH DDIF file (eg: it pulls along all included files, such as .EPS etc), andE when you receive the email, it is a foreign attachement, and when you > extract it (even from character cell MAIL), it will create the@ individual files needed to make the document complete as well asD updating the internal links in the DDIF document to point to the new location of the linked files.   ( Never knew MAIL had this functionality !   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:00:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Packaging DECwrite/DDIF files for export , Message-ID: <432A7B7C.C90051FB@teksavvy.com>  D Well, woudln't you know it, ALL-IN-1 has the CDA_PACK and CDA_UNPACK0 functions which perform what I was asking for !   F However, it can't really be used to send documents elsewhere since theG "elswhere" won't have ALL-IN-1 to unpack the files. They'd have to play F tricks with MAIL to send the document to themselves and then hope MAIL3 realises it is a DOTS document and then unpacks it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:50:44 +0100 : From: "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia@hivemind.REMOVE-SPAM-TRAP.org>F Subject: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things3 Message-ID: <OKednerrGsLvCLfeRVnyiQ@eclipse.net.uk>    Hello,  H Firstly, thank you to all those who arranged the hobbyist programme --  G having previously taken advantage of it to run a simple home PWS 500au  K web/mail server, I'm now really getting *into* VMS - this time with a herd  C of dump-liberated VAXstation 4000/60s - though I think power/noise  < requirements may preclude running *all* the latter 24/7 :-(.  J I'm enjoying reading this newsgroup, and it's likely I'll be throwing out M questions from time to time :-). First a simple licensing thing re Pathworks  M (specifically v6.1 for VAX, though I think it's considered identical to 7.3a  = for licensing purposes?) -- is it accessible to the hobbyist?   L Here is what I have found out so far (this is probably all obvious but it's J the first time I've investigated how VMS licensing works beyond executing ' the DCL to register the hobbyist PAKs):   L (1) Some basic authentication services work without any extra licenses, but  file sharing services do not.   / (2) The appropriate license is PWLMXXXCA07.03 .   F (3) The full commercial prices for the client licensing method are at E http://h71000.www7.hp.com/swcat/us/pwrksasca.html -- ie $149 for one  J concurrent PC access, though I have found around $105 advertised in other  places.   E (4) New servers come with one or two client access licenses, and the  G September 2003 DECcampus provided perpetual licensing for some limited  K number of clients (35?), so they *are* being bundled in some places -- but  @ are they being bundled with anything accessible to the hobbyist?  L Wondering out of interest how much everything costs to the commercial user, I I see the price for an ActualRealCopy of VMS is around $500, but I think  H this is just the base system, i.e. not even TCP/IP let alone stuff like H Pathworks? And the EIP which I think *does* include lots of fun toys is L about three times this, i.e. .gt.budget. Are both these licenses valid just K for some version x.y-z -- e.g. would I have to pay the whole $500 again to  K upgrade, say, base from 8.2 to 8.2-1, or is there discount? I am in UK, if   it makes any difference.   Thanks for your time,    --  7 Tom Garcia | tgarcia@hivemind.remove-this-spam-trap.org    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 05:22:13 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) J Subject: Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things3 Message-ID: <rJ$LfGwje5Nf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <OKednerrGsLvCLfeRVnyiQ@eclipse.net.uk>, "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia@hivemind.REMOVE-SPAM-TRAP.org> writes:  G > (4) New servers come with one or two client access licenses, and the  I > September 2003 DECcampus provided perpetual licensing for some limited  M > number of clients (35?), so they *are* being bundled in some places -- but  B > are they being bundled with anything accessible to the hobbyist?  > As I understand it, Pathworks includes some code encumbered by< royalty payments.  Thus it is unlikely to be included in the hobbyist program.   @ Note that Motif licensing now includes terminology that supports% free (to HP) licensing for hobbyists.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:11:46 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: poor SCSI performance3 Message-ID: <000b01c5ba85$8472cd20$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  B if the  QLogic ISP1020 is the KZPBA-AA, then do change this one toC another (KZPCA or so). I have tested this controller with Ken Bates G testtool. If you will have more than one drive on this controller, SCSI ; will be slowed down till SCSI 1. This is a design failure.     Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:12:58 GMT $ From: "FredK" <notme@nospam.dec.com>" Subject: Re: poor SCSI performance3 Message-ID: <u2DWe.12795$d_5.8810@news.cpqcorp.net>   , Also, is write caching enabled in the drive.  2 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B28E8@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...   > -----Original Message-----? > From: Horst Drechsel [mailto:ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de] # > Sent: September 15, 2005 10:15 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: poor SCSI performance >  >  >    Dear all, > F >    we are running a VMS 7.2 cluster with an XP1000 (EV67) 667MHz/1GBB > server and experience very poor IO performance on all SCSI HDDs,= > i.e. orders of magnitude below a standard Linux system with  > IDE disks. > $ >    The XP1000 has 3 SCSI adapters: > > >  -   PKA0 onboard SCSI Controller QLogic ISP1040 (Ultrawide): >  -   PKB0 PCI SCSI Controller QLogic ISP1020 (Ultrawide)A >  -   PKC0 PCI SCSI Controller Symbios 53C895 LVD (Wide Ultra-2)  >  > ' >    PKB0 is only used for tape drives; 8 >    PKA0 hosts the system disk (9GB Ultra2 LVD) plus an. >         old ultrawide DEC RZ2CC-KA 4GB disk;. >    PKC0 holds three 18GB Ultra160 LVD disks. > B >    There are two other cluster members (Alphastation 400/233 andB > an AlphaPC164/500 MHz) with a couple of old 4GB disks. All disks@ > are mounted clusterwide. Data transfer rates are far below the: > maximum value of 20 MB/s of the slowest SCSI controller. > ? >    We wonder where the main reason of this bad IO performance H > could be hidden: is it the SCSI controllers, HDDs or their combinationF > on a bus, or cluster communication on IO traffic between the 3 nodesE > such that the slowest component brings down the overall performance ( > to the level of the slowest component? > F >    Various attempts to tune the relevant SYSGEN IO/packet and buffer) > size parameters brought no improvement.  > A >    If another SCSI PCI adapter is suggested I would be happy if B > someone could recommend a part compatible with our XP1000 (to be% > upgraded to VMS 7.3-2 or 8.2 soon).  > & >    Thanks for any input and regards, >  >      Horst Drechsel  >  >  > --E > ******************************************************************* E >  Horst Drechsel      drechsel_at_sternwarte_dot_uni-erlangen_dot_de  >  Dr. Remeis Observatory E >  Astronomical Institute                     Phone: +49-951-95222-15 E >  University Erlangen-Nuernberg                Fax: +49-951-95222-22 , >  Sternwartstr. 7, D-96049 Bamberg, GermanyE > *******************************************************************  >    Horst,  $ A few suggestions for consideration:  C - OpenVMS V7.2 is approximately 6 years old (FRS early 1999), so an D upgrade is highly recommended. There has been a very large number ofE performance features added since this old release. Comparing a 6 year A old system to one that is only 1-2 years old is not really a fair  comparison. Reference:A http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html   F - ensure the disk drives are not fragmented. This can really slow downA disk drives and is the type of problem that slowly creeps in over F extended periods of time. Image backup-restores is one good way to fix this.   C - keep in mind that the 20MB transfer rates are typically best case D theoretical and the norm is much lower in reality - likely 10-14MB /& second is best case for 20MB/sec disk.  = - are any errors being logged while transfer is being tested?   @ - ensure no highwater marking feature is turned on (assumes this( specific security feature not required)." $ Set volume $1$dkaX: /nohighwater  * - check disk rates and queue lengths with: $ Mon disk and $ mon disk/item=queue    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)   4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:25:55 +0200 & From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@decus.ch>7 Subject: Re: setting default protection for directories + Message-ID: <3ovdskF7pvocU1@individual.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:d > In article <ef2dnfTR77y1erTenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com>, BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> writes: >  >>Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >><snip> >>F >>>  For historical reasons, the creation process strips delete off ofE >>>  each UIC access mode.  If you want to provide the delete access  F >>>  for the creator, you will want to a a CREATOR ACE onto the parentC >>>  directory of the new directory.  This (as you might guess from F >>>  the name) sets up the access mask that is granted to the creator. >>>  >>- >>I'm interested in the "historical reasons";  >  > G > Under VMS V1, deleting a non-empty directory would create lost files.  > I This was also true in V2.n, and as a result I welcomed the change in the  3 default protection for directories when it arrived.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 07:52:54 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 7 Subject: Re: setting default protection for directories 3 Message-ID: <WcLG$692yMRk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <Xns96D2E66F14089lithiumnospamgmxat@212.33.32.148>, Bernhard <NOSPAMlithium@gmx.at> writes: > Hi! M > Could anyone point out how to set the default protection for newly created   > Dirs and subdirs? I > I have found how to do this with files, but directories still have the  & > delete right removed from the owner.F > Is it possible to give the dir owner the right to delete by default?  F    This is built into the code that creates directories and dates back5    to the original late 70's beta versions of the OS.   E    The only way to create a directory with delete access is to do two <    steps:  create the directory, then provide delete access.  E    The reason for this is that the file delete function didn't bother H    checking for the directory bit in the file header until about VMS 3.0J    or so (early 80's).  So you could easily delete a directory and loose a+    bunch of files if you had delete access.   G    Since the delete function now checks the directory bit the behaviour B    is maintained because there is no actual requirement for upward6    compatablility to break.  VMS isn't from Microsoft.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:54:10 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Re: Sun using the "I" word , Message-ID: <432A5DFE.CC8A1B5F@teksavvy.com>   Robert Deininger wrote: I  > But from the time Marvel systems first booted Tru64 and VMS in the 2nd I  > half of 2001, until the systems shipped, the schedule was dominated by J  > testing/debugging/fixing, with critical EV7 (and IO7) bugs contributingI  > the lion's share of the delays.  Of course there were many bugs in the !  > OS's and the firmware as well.     H From June 25 2001 onwards, Compaq/HP have NO credibility with regards to* Alpha, no matter what they say or promise.  D Sure, there may have been bugs in EV7, but if it had been a criticalC product, you can bet that Compaq/HP would have assigned whatever it G takes to get the chip out ASAP so it can start getting revenus from its N investment. On June 25 2001, Alpha became a liability to Compaq, not an asset.  7 Compaq had promised to complete 2 iterations of Alpha.  D Compaq had promised that IA64 would outperform Alpha before the last Alpha chip.   F When it became apparent that IA64 wouldn't deliver the performance andF wouldn't deliver on-time, it became extremely convenient for Compaq toA not put any priority on finishing EV7 and EV79. Since Alpha was a @ liability instead of a strategic product, Compaq wasn't about toE increase its liability by increase resources assigned to the chip and G see it come out at fill speed ealier rather than later which would have L ridiculed Compaq's promises with regards to IA64 outperforming Alpha "soon".    > Had Pfeiffer succeeded in getting microsoft to fully commit NTH applciatiosn to Alpha, Alpha would have become a strategic asset and you7 can bet that EV7 would have been completed much sooner.       H Fixing EV7's bugs was tantamount to giving a lung transplant on a prisonF inmate on death-row in the USA. You may legally be obliged to keep theE inmate alive until he is scheduled to be killed, but you sure as hell   won't put a high priority on it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:25:02 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com # Subject: Re: Sun using the "I" word - Message-ID: <87fys56nn5.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  C > Yes, but their target for this ad is HP-UX users.  How many HP-UX ? > users do you think would choose to migrate to VMS rather than ' > Solaris (or some other Unix variant)?   F The ones who have a captive tooth fairy with VMS versions of the  PHUXH applications. Jumpming from hp would probably need a mix of Sun and AIX.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:05:16 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: Sun using the "I" word 0 Message-ID: <11ilr17esslm851@corp.supernews.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  J > The fact that HP said *nothing*, but just let the schedule slip another D > 4 - 5 months without comment, is suspicious when coupled with the J > release of McKinley in July, 2002.  But what you've said today suggests G > that there may have been some actual justification for it - in which  D > case (unlike the earlier diversions of effort) HP may merely have I > handled the situation incompetently (still quite possibly because they  B > didn't want discussion of Alpha to be taking any portion of the   > limelight away from McKinley).  I Maybe you place too much suspicion on HP.  Why attribute to cunning what  H can easily be explained by incompetence?  Can you tell me the last time . HP handled any customer relations competently?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 10:39:50 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com 2 Subject: Was itanium just a ploy to destroy alpha?B Message-ID: <1126892390.611378.38470@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  0 Maybe HP used itanium to not only get out of its1 own struggling chip business but to destroy alpha . at the same time ... both intel and HP win and customers lose?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2005 13:22:18 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: [OpenVMS Alpha] CXX V7.1-007 is out, Message-ID: <432ac70a$1@news.langstoeger.at>  @ In case you haven't noticed, C++ V7.1 for Alpha is out now, too:  F 	ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/C-CXX/openvms/cxx/CXX071.DCX_AXPEXE  F Please note that it is not a DCX compressed archive, but a ZIPSFX one.  N CXX V7.1 for Itanic^WI64 is (unlike the Alpha one) on the Sep2005 Condist CDs.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.518 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
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Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]FRED.DAT;1R Resultant file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]FRED.DAT;16 File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]FRED.DAT_320;1V Resultant file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]FRED.DAT_320;16 File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]FRED.SHOW;1AS Resultant file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]FRED.SHOW;1 6 File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]GRAPH320.COB;1V Resultant file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]GRAPH320.COB;16 File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]GRAPH320.COM;1V Resultant file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]GRAPH320.COM;16 File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]GRAPH320.EXE;1V Resultant file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]GRAPH320.EXE;16 File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]GRAPH320.OBJ;1V Resultant file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]GRAPH320.OBJ;16 File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]IBM.DAT;1AQ Resultant file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]IBM.DAT;1 6 File access was terminated with no bits set on close Requested file access operation: Open file      
Specified file: DISK$MISC:[DECUS.VAX91B.CANADA.OTT91.GOLDLUG.GRAPHICS]IBM.DAT_320;1.U Resultant file: DISK$MIS