1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 17 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 520       Contents:( RE: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?( Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:04:57 +1000 6 From: "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au>1 Subject: RE: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79? X Message-ID: <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BEAA@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BB66.E01236AC . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable          -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com] Sent: Sat 9/17/2005 1:15 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 Subject: Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?  =20  [snips]   E >It isn't VMS' role to help Intel.  VMS needs to choose the platforms @ >that will maximise its growth and profitability, and should not? >sacrifice itself to help some political decision to help Intel 0 >shareholders at the expense of HP shareholders.  L All the owners of VMS have been intent on helping shareholders of other com=L panies (usually Microsoft, who seem to need enough money to actually own th=& e world -- and we are letting them!!).  L That is why DEC was sold to Compaq who was sold to HP -- who do not know wh=L at to do with VMS, since the previous companies only managed to sell its pr=! oducts and not get rid of the OS.   L Of the products that I use and have died:  FMS (do not know who that went t=L o, perhaps just died); GKS (same comment); DECset went to EDS and has died;=L  various excellent system admin products went to CA (too exorbitant and hav=G e probably died); DECwrite that has had some recent publicity here. =20   L My bete noir, the Fortran compiler: never developed F90/F95 to VAX, and now=L  the Alpha compiler is in maintenance mode.  There are so many bugs and not=L  enough optimisation, all of which that team would have worked on.  I doubt=L  there will be any development on that IA64 thing (TM - JF).  Steve Lionel =B and most of his crew were given to Intel, also the CXML crowd. =20  L MATLAB has not been supported on VMS for many years, we cannot even extend =L our number of user licences, but are still able to run against the original=H  licence.  NAG on VMS comes out about a year after every other platform.  L Even CVF on PCs has died, it has been taken over by the Intel compiler whic=? h from comments on comp.lang.fortran seems to be very inferior.   L I have seen many comments here regarding other products which I have no int=L erest in, but which seem to be the bread and butter of many companies as no=  longer being supported.  > Kill the OS by not providing any applications that users need.  ' Do you read frustration in my tone? :-(    Regards, Paddy    G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged @ and confidential information intended only for the use of the=20D addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of=20C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise D the sender.  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 In articleM <8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BEAA@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local>, 7 "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote:   - >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  > ( >------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BB66.E01236AC/ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" , >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >   M >Of the products that I use and have died:  FMS (do not know who that went t= M >o, perhaps just died); GKS (same comment); DECset went to EDS and has died;= M > various excellent system admin products went to CA (too exorbitant and hav= H >e probably died); DECwrite that has had some recent publicity here. =20  H DECset isn't dead and didn't "go to EDS".  EDS was doing the bulk of theJ DECset work under contract to Digital, Compaq, and HP.  This dates back toI Digital's outsourcing phase.  I don't believe EDS ever owned DECset, they C did put their name in the copyright notice but that doesn NOT imply ? ownership.  The HP-EDS contract ended, and DECset work has been B "insourced".  If you have DECset problems, use your normal support	 channels.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.520 ************************