1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 524       Contents:* Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore( Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?E HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs. I Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs. 0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)0 Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!)A Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things A Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things A Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things A Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things  Re: Process indicator code M Re: Process indicator code M+ Re: Strike in HP France against the layoffs + Re: Strike in HP France against the layoffs   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2005 10:42:29 -0700/ From: "Shahin Yaz" <Shahinyaz@blueyonder.co.uk> 3 Subject: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore B Message-ID: <1127151749.767119.98130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  D Following a retsore of a complete image backup from one 7.1-2 serverF (Alpha 4000) onto another (Alpha DS20), and the change of the UCX CoreB Interface parameters, the server does not appear to on the networkD after reboot. The The 4000 is still on the network so we cannot keepD the same IP address. The memory of the DS20 is 512MB compared to 2GBE for the 4000. Watching the startup messages on the console shows that C the startup of UCX commences, but when it gets to the stage when it 6 starts the TELNET service the startup appears to stop:  % "Message from user INTERnet on BRXXXX $ INTERnet ACP Activate TELNET server"  D At this stage the 'link' LED on the Ethernet card also appears to go out.F The device types for the ethernet card (via Show Dev) are the same for
 both servers.   D The SYSGEN parameter SCSNODE has also been changed to match the DS20G but still have the same problem. The default Telnet port on the 4000 is E changed to 1900, and this has been retained. I could not find any ucx # error log files that could explain.   3 Any help to resolve this would be much appreciated.    Regards & thanks Shahin   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:35:19 GMT $ From: "FredK" <notme@nospam.dec.com>1 Subject: Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79? 3 Message-ID: <XUAXe.12855$Bq1.9654@news.cpqcorp.net>   ( RE: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?A "O'Brien Paddy" <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote in message R news:8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BEAA@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local...      I Of the products that I use and have died:  FMS (do not know who that went  to, perhaps just died);   6     AFAIK, FMS is still available, and supported by HP    GKS (same comment);  C     GKS is absolutely still available, and the Itanium version will A     ship on the consolidated LP kit at the end of the year (it is +     being tested by several customers now).    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2005 07:59:11 -0700 From: mark_hpq@yahoo.comN Subject: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs.C Message-ID: <1127141951.086514.154250@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   L http://www.boursorama.com/infos/actualites/detail_actu_societes.phtml?&symb= ole=3DHPQ&news=3D2947714  K Hewlett Packard: le conseil g=E9n=E9ral de l'Is=E8re souhaite r=E9cup=E9rer 
 1,25 M EUR   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:43:29 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>R Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs./ Message-ID: <6NCXe.33$8z1.5510@news.uswest.net>   J Sounds fair, especially if there was a contract that stated the jobs would exist until 2008.   
 Mike Ober.  % <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1127141951.086514.154250@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... _ http://www.boursorama.com/infos/actualites/detail_actu_societes.phtml?&symbole=HPQ&news=2947714   A Hewlett Packard: le conseil gnral de l'Isre souhaite rcuprer 
 1,25 M EUR   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:14:15 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) 0 Message-ID: <11itlgogfjbd0b1@corp.supernews.com>  H "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> a crit dans le message de, news:4FQCe.8748$Pa6.8013@news.cpqcorp.net... > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: * > > Would you please explain this section: > ... ( > >>File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2 > >>   973   $ > >>   974   $! icitte > >>   975   $!  > >>   976   $! H > >>   977   $! If this wasn't a file line, then after the blanks, there > ...  > > Why a bare $ line? > > What is "icitte"? ' > > What does this set of comments add?  > J > This and the rest of the changes were kindly provided by Syltrem. I'm noH > linguist, but based on a quick web investigation, it appears this wordI > may be French and just seems to be indicating that this is the specific I > area of code in need of corection -- the Altavista/Babelfish definition C > for "icitte" is "In this place (the place where the person is who , > speaks); as opposed to there, over there." > " > You can simply omit this change.     Hi !  J I just placed this comment to come back to this place when debugging, then forgot about removing it. G Icitte is not very good french either, and I'm surprised that Babalfich I picked it up fine (translation is ok). The real word in the dictionary is I "ici" and translated to "here" but since "ici" may easily be part of many & words when searching wit hthe editor..   Just take off the comment !    Syltrem    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:12:43 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com9 Subject: Re: Migration checklist (no, not away from VMS!) Q Message-ID: <OF136A8533.173715A0-ON85257081.0058FE38-85257081.00590E48@metso.com>   ' Have you been on holidays for 2 months?   E "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote on 09/19/2005 11:14:15 AM:    > H > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> a =E9crit dans le messa= ge de . > news:4FQCe.8748$Pa6.8013@news.cpqcorp.net...! > > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: , > > > Would you please explain this section: > > ... * > > >>File USRD:[PARRIS]FIXQUEUE_COM.TXT;2 > > >>   973   $ > > >>   974   $! icitte > > >>   975   $!  > > >>   976   $! H > > >>   977   $! If this wasn't a file line, then after the blanks, th= ere  > > ...  > > > Why a bare $ line? > > > What is "icitte"? ) > > > What does this set of comments add?  > > H > > This and the rest of the changes were kindly provided by Syltrem. I= 'm noH > > linguist, but based on a quick web investigation, it appears this w= ord H > > may be French and just seems to be indicating that this is the spec= ificH > > area of code in need of corection -- the Altavista/Babelfish defini= tionE > > for "icitte" is "In this place (the place where the person is who . > > speaks); as opposed to there, over there." > > $ > > You can simply omit this change. >  >  > Hi ! > H > I just placed this comment to come back to this place when debugging,=   then > forgot about removing it. H > Icitte is not very good french either, and I'm surprised that Babalfi= chH > picked it up fine (translation is ok). The real word in the dictionar= y isH > "ici" and translated to "here" but since "ici" may easily be part of = many( > words when searching wit hthe editor.. >  > Just take off the comment !  > 	 > Syltrem  >  >=   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:53:07 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukJ Subject: Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things) Message-ID: <dgm8r3$1po$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   l In article <1127112314.626624.316650@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes:H >The last I heard about this is that PMDF is owned by Cisco and sold andF >supported by Process. If it were for Process to decide, PMDF would be >available for hoobyists!  >    SUN not CISCO.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    
 >Bart Zorn >    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2005 07:37:18 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.comJ Subject: Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS thingsC Message-ID: <1127140638.803714.209290@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B I thought it was Sun that bought Innosoft (and therefore PMDF) butE wanted some other part of their product line, so licensed off PMDF to G Process.  And that was the reason for no hobbyist license, when I asked ? at the time; the agreement with Process did not allow any such.   ? A real shame, too, because PMDF is just too pricy for our small E customers (much less my home setup), and VMS is getting pushed out of E the mail handling role at those sites because of the severe limits of D the HP SMTP utility handling multiple domains and store and forward.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:02:30 +0200  From: rejoc <rejoc@FREEfree.fr> J Subject: Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things2 Message-ID: <432ed306$0$959$626a14ce@news.free.fr>   jordan@ccs4vms.com a crit : > A > A real shame, too, because PMDF is just too pricy for our small G > customers (much less my home setup), and VMS is getting pushed out of G > the mail handling role at those sites because of the severe limits of F > the HP SMTP utility handling multiple domains and store and forward. > E Have a look at CommuniGate (http://www.stalker.com). Not exactly the  + same coverage, but can help in some cases..    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:09:43 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukJ Subject: Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things) Message-ID: <dgmns7$6q1$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   ^ In article <1127140638.803714.209290@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, jordan@ccs4vms.com writes:C >I thought it was Sun that bought Innosoft (and therefore PMDF) but F >wanted some other part of their product line, so licensed off PMDF to >Process.      Almost. L I think Sun wanted the PMDF MTA. They had OEM'd the PMDF MTA for their SIMS 
 mail product. M However they needed complete control of it in order to incorporate it in the  ( iPlanet suite of software with Netscape.K Since then the name has changed first to SUNOne and now to SUNJES Messaging B Server but lots of the MTA code is still common with the PMDF MTA.  E They also got the LDAP server software from Critical angle (which had O previously been taken over by Innosoft) but I'm not sure how important that was N to Sun. Though having pretty much all the original developers of LDAP for the E iPlanet alliance - half from Critical angle and half from Netscape -   can't have hurt.    O Having taken over Innosoft they were then left with lots of VMS and Tru64 users H of the Innosoft software. They killed off the Critical Angle LDAP serverP software on VMS but signed a contract with Process for them to support and sell  PMDF.      
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University    > >And that was the reason for no hobbyist license, when I asked@ >at the time; the agreement with Process did not allow any such. > @ >A real shame, too, because PMDF is just too pricy for our smallF >customers (much less my home setup), and VMS is getting pushed out ofF >the mail handling role at those sites because of the severe limits ofE >the HP SMTP utility handling multiple domains and store and forward.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:05:43 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG% Subject: Re: Process indicator code M 0 Message-ID: <00A4A068.A1F840BB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <dgm0t5$8o5$1@klatschtante.init7.net>, S <soterroAT@yahooDOT.com> writes: >Hi all, > ' >SHOW SYSTEM gives me a line like this: = >00043EC1 MY_PROG HIB  5  47702   0 00:00:32.12  5786  3785 M  > / >What does the process indicator letter M mean?  >  >Thanks, >S   Process is multi-threaded.   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:14:45 +0400 N From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <zzLaishev@zzDeltaTelecom.RU-remove.all-zz-to-reply>% Subject: Re: Process indicator code M 3 Message-ID: <CAA95CB7C06FCD891A8BAE1C6888F6AC@nntp>    S wrote:  	 > Hi all,  > ( > SHOW SYSTEM gives me a line like this:> > 00043EC1 MY_PROG HIB  5  47702   0 00:00:32.12  5786  3785 M > 0 > What does the process indicator letter M mean? 	Multithreaded   > 	 > Thanks,  > S  >    --  F + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+9 Delta Telecom JSC, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operator E Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 716-3222 F +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 07:25:05 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>4 Subject: Re: Strike in HP France against the layoffs. Message-ID: <O2zXe.19$rh7.464@news.uswest.net>  G I can't read French, but the first line gives it away.  The interviewee I appears to be a member of the French Socialist party.  Thus any workforce L reduction by _ANY_ company will be immoral.  Sounds like it will be easy forI HP to figure out which 5000 jobs to eliminate - the strikers'.  They have I already announced that 5000 jobs will be eliminated so there won't be any > ethical issues with eliminating jobs that are currently empty.  
 Mike Ober.  % <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1126907668.960509.177540@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... A > Extract from an interview of Michel Destot, mayor of Grenoble :  >  > C > How did you react when you learnt about the numbers of layoffs in 
 > France : > H > I was shoked, then angry. Of course we are all with the employees, the= > more so as the decision of the company cannot be justified. B > There is no industrial or strategic reason would could make thisB > understandable : it is enough to look at the results of HP to be? > convinced : profits and dividends are growing, the comparison % > Europe/Asia is favorable to Europe.  > F > It is a complete nonsense, a decision made solely to presumably help@ > the stock price, we are totally in amorality. HP seems to have
 > permanently = > lost with the citizen attitude it had only a few years ago.  > 
 > Source : > J > http://www.weblmi.com/sections/articles/2005/09/defaultvalue_for_fi5882/ >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:09:24 +0000 (UTC) ( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)4 Subject: Re: Strike in HP France against the layoffs5 Message-ID: <dgmrc4$k34$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   @ In article <O2zXe.19$rh7.464@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober"& <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> writes:I > I can't read French, but the first line gives it away.  The interviewee K > appears to be a member of the French Socialist party.  Thus any workforce / > reduction by _ANY_ company will be immoral.      And ? What's wrong with that ?9 A company making apparent profits - and which is expected 0 to do so in the future - acts immoral if layoffs1 are just to increase stockprice. One can't repeat = that too often, and it's a socialist party's job to do that.    ! > Sounds like it will be easy for K > HP to figure out which 5000 jobs to eliminate - the strikers'.  They have K > already announced that 5000 jobs will be eliminated so there won't be any @ > ethical issues with eliminating jobs that are currently empty.  ! welcome back in the 19th century. D Seems Marx (Karl, not Groucho) was right when he invented communism.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.524 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    