1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 21 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 527       Contents:. Re: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore. Re: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore. Re: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore. Re: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore6 Re: copying vms image backup files from tape to disk ?6 Re: copying vms image backup files from tape to disk ?( Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?) Re: HP may diminish the number of layoffs $ Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher$ Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasherP Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs. jobs.jP Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs. jobs.jH Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs.3 Re: InfoWorld: Itanium is "a compiler's dream date" ) Re: Marketing opportunity ? VW in Dresden " OpenVMS Cerner and OpenView Agents& Re: OpenVMS Cerner and OpenView AgentsP Re: OT: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create   jo Re: Remote backups via WAND Self-extracting UnZip product kits - UnZipSFX 5.41 of 16 April 2000?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2005 12:59:09 -0700% From: "jjinva" <jjinva@earthlink.net> 7 Subject: Re: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore C Message-ID: <1127246349.373698.287790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C If the server that you did the restore from is still on the network C then you might hav a problem with the ethernet address of the card.   E In the past when I have done this it restored the Ethernet Address of F the old network card to the new server causing a conflict with the one already on the network.   G In UCX do a show interface/full and see if the ethernet address matches  the one on the card.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:38:23 -0400 $ From: "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca>7 Subject: Re: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore : Message-ID: <8r_Xe.7243$0u2.1106854@news20.bellglobal.com>  H In all likelihood, the names of the interface(s) are different on the DSI than they were on the 4x00.  e.g. the on-board i'faces on a DS are (iirc) L EIA0: and EWA0:, while those on your 4000 would likely be dependant upon the> type of PCI NIC you used, but are probably EWA0:, EWB0:, etc..  F Bottom-line? ==> re-do the TCP/IP config from scratch, let it find theK current adapters, and use the proper addresses for this system, rather than ( trying to shoe-horn into the old config.    : "Shahin Yaz" <Shahinyaz@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message< news:1127151749.767119.98130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...F > Following a retsore of a complete image backup from one 7.1-2 serverH > (Alpha 4000) onto another (Alpha DS20), and the change of the UCX CoreD > Interface parameters, the server does not appear to on the networkF > after reboot. The The 4000 is still on the network so we cannot keepF > the same IP address. The memory of the DS20 is 512MB compared to 2GBG > for the 4000. Watching the startup messages on the console shows that E > the startup of UCX commences, but when it gets to the stage when it 8 > starts the TELNET service the startup appears to stop: > ' > "Message from user INTERnet on BRXXXX & > INTERnet ACP Activate TELNET server" > F > At this stage the 'link' LED on the Ethernet card also appears to go > out.H > The device types for the ethernet card (via Show Dev) are the same for > both servers.  > F > The SYSGEN parameter SCSNODE has also been changed to match the DS20I > but still have the same problem. The default Telnet port on the 4000 is G > changed to 1900, and this has been retained. I could not find any ucx % > error log files that could explain.  > 5 > Any help to resolve this would be much appreciated.  >  > Regards & thanks > Shahin >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:56:31 -0400 $ From: "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca>7 Subject: Re: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore : Message-ID: <8I_Xe.7251$0u2.1115339@news20.bellglobal.com>  K Forgot to mention that 7.1-2 only supports DS20s with a remedial h'ware kit I (according to the HP site) , so other things might be amiss here as well. H The 20s don't have the on-board e'net that the 25s do, but the naming isL still likely inconsistent.  In my experience, DECnet can be swapped over andL re-jigged fairly easily, but UCX (especially the old versions) is a beast of substantial proportion.   F A fresh install of a VMS version LESS than 7 years old, with attendantK firmware updates, and the latest and (questionably) greatest UCX would seem G to be a preferable choice here, as MUCH has been corrected and enhanced  since 1998.   / "Chris" <an.other@not_here.ca> wrote in message 4 news:8r_Xe.7243$0u2.1106854@news20.bellglobal.com...J > In all likelihood, the names of the interface(s) are different on the DSK > than they were on the 4x00.  e.g. the on-board i'faces on a DS are (iirc) J > EIA0: and EWA0:, while those on your 4000 would likely be dependant upon the @ > type of PCI NIC you used, but are probably EWA0:, EWB0:, etc.. > H > Bottom-line? ==> re-do the TCP/IP config from scratch, let it find theH > current adapters, and use the proper addresses for this system, rather than* > trying to shoe-horn into the old config. >  > < > "Shahin Yaz" <Shahinyaz@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message> > news:1127151749.767119.98130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...H > > Following a retsore of a complete image backup from one 7.1-2 serverJ > > (Alpha 4000) onto another (Alpha DS20), and the change of the UCX CoreF > > Interface parameters, the server does not appear to on the networkH > > after reboot. The The 4000 is still on the network so we cannot keepH > > the same IP address. The memory of the DS20 is 512MB compared to 2GBI > > for the 4000. Watching the startup messages on the console shows that G > > the startup of UCX commences, but when it gets to the stage when it : > > starts the TELNET service the startup appears to stop: > > ) > > "Message from user INTERnet on BRXXXX ( > > INTERnet ACP Activate TELNET server" > > H > > At this stage the 'link' LED on the Ethernet card also appears to go > > out.J > > The device types for the ethernet card (via Show Dev) are the same for > > both servers.  > > H > > The SYSGEN parameter SCSNODE has also been changed to match the DS20K > > but still have the same problem. The default Telnet port on the 4000 is I > > changed to 1900, and this has been retained. I could not find any ucx ' > > error log files that could explain.  > > 7 > > Any help to resolve this would be much appreciated.  > >  > > Regards & thanks
 > > Shahin > >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:57:34 GMT , From: "Jack Peacock" <jakbird@earthlink.net>7 Subject: Re: Cannot Ping or Telnet Server After Restore @ Message-ID: <iB%Xe.963$zQ3.419@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>  ; "Shahin Yaz" <Shahinyaz@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message  < news:1127151749.767119.98130@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...F > The SYSGEN parameter SCSNODE has also been changed to match the DS20I > but still have the same problem. The default Telnet port on the 4000 is G > changed to 1900, and this has been retained. I could not find any ucx % > error log files that could explain.  > F Did you change the DECnet node address (if DECnet installed)?  DECnet J reprograms the MAC address of the ethernet adapter (this affects TCP/IP). M If you have another machine with the same DECnet node number, you might have  ( a MAC address conflict caused by DECnet.   Jack Peacock     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:09:38 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ? Subject: Re: copying vms image backup files from tape to disk ? 3 Message-ID: <mU_Xe.12946$ND2.9478@news.cpqcorp.net>   a In article <1127232382.683307.236490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, mike.whorley@coda.com writes:   H :I'm trying to move some image backup saveset files from a tape straight :to disk but am having no joy.  9   COPY doesn't play entirely well with tapes, as a start.   ;   The usual approach prefered for moving savesets around is "   a tool known as Saveset Manager.  " :What is the best way to do this ?  0   I usually restore the saveset in using BACKUP.  B :BACKUP/LOG/MEDIA=COMPACT/BLOCK=32768/IGNO=INTER/IMAGE $255$DUA22:0                                       ^^^^^^^^^^  >   The interlocks are present to avoid data inconsistencies and>   data corruptions, not as some secret spell serving to extend?   out the already hairy BACKUP command syntax.  Seriously, this 4   option is really hazardous, and one I would avoid.   :Any ideas guys ?   <   Assuming Saveset Manager is a non-starter, I'd restore it.  @   If you want to continue to try COPY, try the MOUNT/BLOCK path.=   (As was mentioned elsewhere, this is centrally a block size =   issue.)  And assuming you can get the MOUNT/BLOCK mechanism ;   working here, realize that what might not be a consistent @   saveset due to the /IGNORE=INTERLOCK might not be consistently>   restored as COPY -- as a rule -- does not contend with media   errors and recovery.  .   I would not expect success with MOUNT/BLOCK.  >   Saveset Manager is set up to deal with block sizes and such.  =   My preferred sequence here -- and the supported approach if <   you have only OpenVMS itself -- is to restore the saveset.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:39:37 -0700 , From: Ken Fairfield <my.full.name@intel.com>? Subject: Re: copying vms image backup files from tape to disk ? + Message-ID: <dgq6jp$gmm$1@news01.intel.com>    mike.whorley@coda.com wrote: > Hi,  > I > I'm trying to move some image backup saveset files from a tape straight  > to disk but am having no joy.   ,      You're out of luck, sorry, see below...   [...] G > I can use back/rew/lis to see the savesets and the backup header info  > ie >  > Save set:          DUA22.BCK > Written by:        SYSTEM $ > UIC:               [000001,000004], > Date:              29-AUG-2002 11:23:30.14
 > Command:C > BACKUP/LOG/MEDIA=COMPACT/BLOCK=32768/IGNO=INTER/IMAGE $255$DUA22: '                             ^^^^^^^^^^^ @     Because the on-tape saveset was created with a block size of: 32768, YOU CANNOT COPY IT TO DISK.  RMS cannot deal with aB record size larger than 32767.  Typically, if you want the abilityA to copy savesets to disk, use a block size no loarger than 32256.   2 > $44$MUA230:DUA22.BCK/LABEL=AVES/SAV/VERIFY/NOREW- > Operating system:  OpenVMS AXP version V6.2  > BACKUP version:    V6.2  > CPU ID register:   80000000  > Node name:         _FALCON::! > Written on:        _$44$MUA230:  > Block size:        32768 > Group size:        10  > Buffer count:      257  	      -Ken  --  6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  
 Ken Fairfield ! D1C Automation VMS System Support " who:   kenneth dot h dot fairfield where: intel dot com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:47:17 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79? + Message-ID: <43306742.523FDE9@teksavvy.com>    FredK wrote:D > What "development" do you want?  It's code needed to keep existing& > character cell applications running.  C Fopr instance, the rumourer X-windows version of FMS. It supposedly ' exists, but never releases/productised.   F > It's not an interesting twist.  FMS is low level enabling code for a > lot of legacy applications.   F And they are remaining legacy because FMS hasn't moved with the times,' and customers instead moved to Windows.   6 FMS is to DECFORMS what message router was to MAILBUS.  H Instead of upgrading a product with large installed base, DEC abandonnedF the product and created a totally new incomptible one. End result: netE loss of a lot of customers. DEC went from being a leader in messaging , backbone to being totally out of the market.  B > All In One is application code initially written when the VAX780 > was bleeding edge technology.   B Yet, ALLIN1 supports IMPA, POP, HTML/web servers, supports WindowsH clients as well as MAC clients (at one time) while maintaining characterE cell support.  YOu see A1 as a dinosaur, I see it as a perfectly good H example of a design which can evolve to follow trends instead of forcing; corporations to revolutionise their email/document systems.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:05:41 -0700 8 From: "Adam Russell" <adamrussell@sbcglobal.net.invalid>2 Subject: Re: HP may diminish the number of layoffs+ Message-ID: <3pb4e0F9h9tiU1@individual.net>   & <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message = news:1127237752.114318.203400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... A > According to the Mayor of grenoble who met HP's vice-presidents  > in California.  H Makes sense that if you have an agreement to lighten up on the taxes in I order to get jobs that there may be some leverage to not lay people off.  H Maybe they threatened to collect on past taxes not paid due to backroom  handshakes.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2005 19:49:24 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher , Message-ID: <433067c4$1@news.langstoeger.at>  l In article <1127201666.517030.266730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes: >Thanks! I found it.  ' Keep in mind that V1.7-11 is current...   : 	http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:41:39 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> - Subject: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher * Message-ID: <4330F293.1000100@bigpond.com>  / Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER mentioned in passing: n > In article <1127201666.517030.266730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes: >  >>Thanks! I found it.  >  > ) > Keep in mind that V1.7-11 is current...  > < > 	http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/ >   ? I just downloaded the kit (twice) but it appears to be corrupt. * Has anyone sucessfully installed this kit?   Regards, Dave --  B David B Sneddon (dbs) VMS Systems Programmer dbsneddon@bigpond.comB Sneddo's quick guide ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/B DBS freeware   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:30:07 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> Y Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs. jobs.j % Message-ID: <3Y0Ye.59$P7.17@fe06.lga>    S wrote:I > Whatever, but you're missing the point: HP took happily that money and    > now wants to run away with it.  < I agree that if HP broke the deal, they should give it back.  5 However, it's not yet clear that they broke the deal.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:33:38 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> Y Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs. jobs.j % Message-ID: <m%0Ye.60$P7.45@fe06.lga>    Dennis Couch wrote: L > IIRC, the automotive unions here in the US did something like this a while& > back in order to create more jobs...  F The UAW is killing the US auto industry. You simply can't continue to @ pay a UAW monkey $30/hr to do a low-skill job like installing a " windshield and remain competitive.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:29:16 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> Q Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. $ Message-ID: <gX0Ye.58$P7.6@fe06.lga>   JF Mezei wrote: I > I realise that since 2003, it has become fashionable to insult your new   G Since 2003?  No, I've been doing it since the ridiclous shortened work  < week "solution" to unemployment - that was long before 2003.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:53:27 GMT , From: "Jack Peacock" <jakbird@earthlink.net>< Subject: Re: InfoWorld: Itanium is "a compiler's dream date"@ Message-ID: <rx%Xe.959$zQ3.214@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>  ? "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message  - news:9oIXe.12910$jV1.5741@news.cpqcorp.net... L > The time is right for IA-64 because, except for the AMD hitch, the future ( > played out precisely as Intel planned.M And if there hadn't been that Hindenburg hitch we'd all be flying around the   world in Zeppelins.   K Thanks, Keith, for reminding me why I stopped reading Infoworld years ago.  J The article was an excellent example of how to ignore the elephant in the D room.  I hope the author got a sweet deal from Intel for writing it.   Jack Peacock     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:28:23 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 2 Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity ? VW in Dresden( Message-ID: <opsxe91l0bzgicya@hyrrokkin>  = On 20 Sep 2005 08:17:15 -0700, <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote: K >> Volkswagen has a new factory in Dresden (Germany) which is "glassed" and J >> has become the city's biggest tourist attraction.  It is quiet, lots of: >> robots etc and builds the expensive luxury Phaeton car. >>2 >> **IF** VW uses VMS to control all those robots, >  >  > Do they use VMS?  ! Yes, in some parts, and also PL/I  >    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2005 16:03:49 -0700* From: "LASDDataCenter" <mscherni@lasd.org>+ Subject: OpenVMS Cerner and OpenView Agents C Message-ID: <1127257429.881040.277650@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   B OpenVMS 7.31 is the OS, Cerner is the application, OpenView is the) monitor....any tips I should be aware of?    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 07:34:47 +01006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Cerner and OpenView Agents , Message-ID: <43310d17$1@news.langstoeger.at>  p In article <1127257429.881040.277650@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "LASDDataCenter" <mscherni@lasd.org> writes:C >OpenVMS 7.31 is the OS, Cerner is the application, OpenView is the * >monitor....any tips I should be aware of?  L V73_MGMTAGENTS ? I rarely see them working (standalone, I don't have OV) ... OVO/SPI ? Can't comment.  ( btw. V7.3-2 (and V8.2) is the better os.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2005 18:57:04 GMT$ From: "Doc." <Doc@openvms-rocks.com>Y Subject: Re: OT: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create   jo 7 Message-ID: <Xns96D7D522B1F60DCovmsrox@212.100.160.126>   . [crossposted to comp.sys.hp.hpux, comp.os.vms] [followups to comp.os.vms]  C Florian Anwander <spam.interessiert.nicht@mnet-online.de> wrote in  # news:3p9vkmF9dkngU1@individual.net:    <snip>  J > I don't mind, pseudonyms in technical debates, but if you get personal,  > stand for with your person.   E The original crosspost should have been ignored by all parties.  The  G crosspost between a unix group and a VMS group is pretty inappropriate.   J I'm sure were the pseudononymous person a regular in your group you might = have been more forgiving although I understand the sentiment.      Doc. --  E http://www.openvms-rocks.com   Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster : Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:13:49 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) # Subject: Re: Remote backups via WAN 3 Message-ID: <hY_Xe.12947$ND2.1719@news.cpqcorp.net>   r In article <1127186791.051886.133560@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Scott  Coats" <scott.coats@gmail.com> writes:G :I am trying to setup a remote OpenVMS system and would like some ideas G :as to how to keep the two systems data current.  The link is via a VPN H :over a 5 MB connection.  The systems need to be OpenVMS of Alphas.  The3 :data needs to be as current as our nightly backup.   B   In addition to the "tell us more" request in another reply, some   things to consider...   B   Remote BACKUP is available using various tools, and a home-grownE   approach using DECnet task-to-task is discussed in the OpenVMS FAQ.   A   Getting the data over to the remote site is usually easier than A   restoring the data -- that's the one area where I've seen folks B   run into problems.  Particularly around the initial system load,)   for instance, if the system disk fails.   >   Databases and tools such as RTR can provide synchronization.  9   Beware BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK.  (See the OpenVMS FAQ.)   ?   Oh, and never underestimate the bandwidth of a delivery truck A   filled with DLT cartridges.  Latency is iffy, but the aggregate    bandwidth is huge...    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:22:41 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)M Subject: Self-extracting UnZip product kits - UnZipSFX 5.41 of 16 April 2000? 2 Message-ID: <05092023224179_202499B7@antinode.org>  H    Recently, I was extracting a fresh CSWB kit (1.7-11, Alpha), which isA packaged as a self-extracting (Info-ZIP) UnZipSFX archive, when I D noticed that it seemed to be using "UnZipSFX 5.41 of 16 April 2000".  *    Eeeww.  Ptui-ptui.  Too old.  Too slow.  D    Self-extracting on my "new" 500MHz XP1000 took about 42 seconds. H Non-self-extracting using the latest released "UnZip 5.52 of 28 February8 2005" took about 18 seconds.  18s < 42s.  18s < 42s / 2.  F    I'm unaware of any exciting new bugs in UnZip 5.52, though it wouldF certainly make some sense to test it a bit before using it for productH kit distributions, but I think that an update here would be a nice thing for the victims.  E    Similarly, if they're using a comparably old Zip, an update to Zip 9 2.31 would probably be a nice thing for the perpetrators.   @    Isn't this the place where HP people get all huffy when users@ complain about some problem with a five-year-old version of VMS?  F    When they're released (if any of us should live so long), Zip 3 andG UnZip 6 should include large-file support and better ODS5 extended file @ name support along with the faster I/O.  That could be fun, too.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.527 ************************