1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 21 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 528       Contents: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic? * Disable AS200 Internal Ethernet Controller) Re: HP may diminish the number of layoffs ) Re: HP may diminish the number of layoffs $ Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasherI Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs. P IEEE Computer Society Green Mountain Chapter Hosts Speaking Tour by OpenVMS.org 4 Re: Mixed interconnect VAX VMS 6.2 cluster challenge9 Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS? = Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS? = Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS? = Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS? = Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS? = Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS? = Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS? P Re: OT: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create   joA RE: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things A Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS things  Processes is PFW state Re: Processes is PFW state Re: Processes is PFW state Re: Processes is PFW state Re: Putty SSH to Linux server K Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, Guy Peleg?) O Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, Guy Peleg?) P Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, Guy Peleg?)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:08:39 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?3 Message-ID: <rsgYe.12999$Wb3.3354@news.cpqcorp.net>    JF Mezei wrote: @ > IA64 is a low volume proprietary chip whose performance, while > palatable, is not stellar.  D Opteron is a low volume proprietary chip. As for performance, while G spec.org results show Opteron faster at SPECint2000, Itanium is faster  G on SPECfp2000. And those are Madison 9M Itanium results, not Montecito. 0 And Itanium can scale to more CPUs in SMP boxes.  C Dell has pulled out of the Itanium market at least once before, so   that's nothing new.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:50:27 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>  Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?9 Message-ID: <nbgYe.1642$WV1.43@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Keith Parris wrote:  >  > F > Opteron is a low volume proprietary chip. As for performance, while   G AMD allowed Intel to clone its 64 bit extensions. When did Intel allow   AMD to clone Itanium?   E > Dell has pulled out of the Itanium market at least once before, so   > that's nothing new.   I Wasn't the actual case that Dell declined to market Itanium once before?  I I do not recall them pulling out after selling product as they have done   now.   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:11:16 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>  Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?* Message-ID: <43319434.6030901@prodigy.net>   Keith Parris wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote:  > A >> IA64 is a low volume proprietary chip whose performance, while  >> palatable, is not stellar.  >  > F > Opteron is a low volume proprietary chip. As for performance, while I > spec.org results show Opteron faster at SPECint2000, Itanium is faster  I > on SPECfp2000. And those are Madison 9M Itanium results, not Montecito. 2 > And Itanium can scale to more CPUs in SMP boxes. > E > Dell has pulled out of the Itanium market at least once before, so   > that's nothing new.   : Spin it however you like; it's not a positive for Itanium.   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:24:00 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?0 Message-ID: <11j35f71tspi678@corp.supernews.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  > A >> IA64 is a low volume proprietary chip whose performance, while  >> palatable, is not stellar.  >  > + > Opteron is a low volume proprietary chip.   C Now that's really amusing.  With that logic, every Intel chip is a   proprietary chip.   I Opteron and Athlon are x86 chips, which is called "Industry Standard" by  @ most of the world.  Maybe you want to reconsider your statement?  H As for low volume, they're selling all they can make, and the volume is < growing.  Care to compare Opteron growth with itanic growth?   > As for performance, while I > spec.org results show Opteron faster at SPECint2000, Itanium is faster  I > on SPECfp2000. And those are Madison 9M Itanium results, not Montecito. 2 > And Itanium can scale to more CPUs in SMP boxes.  ! And the cost?  Price/performance?   I The itanic cannot scale without off-chip support.  With the same type of  E off-chip support, Opteron could scale to as many CPUs as the itanic.  I But, guess what, Opteron has on-chip memory controller, and on-chip glue  I for SMP without off-chip support.  It's started small, but it's growing.  I   You're not very wise in mentioning 'scaling' when comparing the itanic   to Opteron.   E > Dell has pulled out of the Itanium market at least once before, so   > that's nothing new.   K When Intel's sales division won't sell itanics, doesn't that say something?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:14:33 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> 3 Subject: Disable AS200 Internal Ethernet Controller A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050921071221.027170e0@raptor.psccos.com>   C The internal Ethernet controller (EWA0) on my AS200 4/233 has gone  L south.  Is there way to disable this (SRM setting, etc) so that VMS doesn't H see it?  I have a DE500 installed int he box, and would prefer that VMS 6 (and Tru64 when I boot that) only see that controller.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:24:59 -0700 , From: "Phil Scott" <philscott@philscott.net>2 Subject: Re: HP may diminish the number of layoffs' Message-ID: <dgs1g7$5fl$1@news.tdl.com>   < "Adam Russell" <adamrussell@sbcglobal.net.invalid> wrote in - message news:3pb4e0F9h9tiU1@individual.net...  > ( > <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message ? > news:1127237752.114318.203400@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... 3 >> According to the Mayor of grenoble who met HP's   >> vice-presidents >> in California.  > = > Makes sense that if you have an agreement to lighten up on  8 > the taxes in order to get jobs that there may be some ; > leverage to not lay people off. Maybe they threatened to  < > collect on past taxes not paid due to backroom handshakes.  ? HP's problem is too many model changes, and lack of a standard  ; operating system...each of their buggy wonders has its own  > tricks and its difficult for them to hire and train help desk ? people who can sort it out efficiently...also on a DSL account  : it takes 2 hours to download a driver for a combo printer 9 scanner fax that washes dishes, phones home, and changes  5 diapers.      Too much crap on one machine same with  
 Microsoft.  < the chinese are about to eat both companies alive with much + simpler products..and drivers (linux based)     
 Phil Scott       >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 12:05:22 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: HP may diminish the number of layoffs3 Message-ID: <Nt3p0evnHUo3@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <dgs1g7$5fl$1@news.tdl.com>, "Phil Scott" <philscott@philscott.net> writes: > A > HP's problem is too many model changes, and lack of a standard   > operating system  A    Right, we really need a "standard" operating system.  One size     fits all ...                	    ... hackers.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Sep 2005 23:16:41 -0700& From: "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com>- Subject: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher C Message-ID: <1127283401.084146.103420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D Yes! I am posting this reply using V1.7-11 on a DS15. No problems so far.  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:57:02 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)R Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs.6 Message-ID: <00A4A1D8.391EF1BA@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ; In article <m%0Ye.60$P7.45@fe06.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes:  >Dennis Couch wrote:M >> IIRC, the automotive unions here in the US did something like this a while ' >> back in order to create more jobs...  > G >The UAW is killing the US auto industry. You simply can't continue to  A >pay a UAW monkey $30/hr to do a low-skill job like installing a  # >windshield and remain competitive.   J I'm on vacation, so I guess I can get involved in an off-topic discussion.  I Maybe it's wages, but I suspect that to a large chunk it's healthcare and L pension benefits.  Part of the problem for, eg, United Airlines in competingL with, eg, JetBlue (aside from not having cherry-picked routes, and having anO old fleet to maintain) is a whole bunch of older workers whose health insurance  must be paid by the employer.   L In some other countries, there are national health-care systems that are taxM funded, and the age of your companies work force doesn't make a difference to  your operating expenses.   -- Alan    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 09:44:31 -0700) From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com> Y Subject: IEEE Computer Society Green Mountain Chapter Hosts Speaking Tour by OpenVMS.org  C Message-ID: <1127321071.429877.274280@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   E The Green Mountain Chapter of the IEEE Computer Society is pleased to E announce a speaking tour at five colleges by OpenVMS.org Contributing ? Editor Robert Gezelter, a member of the IEEE Computer Society's D Distinguished Visitor Program. The stops on the tour are open to allD members of the IEEE Computer Society, as well as the general public.  ? The stops on this tour are Dartmouth College, the University of > Vermont, St. Michael's College, Champlain College, and Norwich- University. Topics, times, and locations are:   0 9/26   Dartmouth College, Hanover, New Hampshire3        Code Portability and Related Issues for EPIC   1 9/27   University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont D        Architectural Techniques for Interoperability and Coexistence  1        St. Michael's College, Burlington, Vermont ;        Safe Computing in the Age of Ubiquitous Connectivity   - 9/28   Champlain College, Burlington, Vermont &        Les Approximations Dangereuses:E          The Sorcerer's Apprentice and Other Dangerous Approximations   . 9/29   Norwich University, Northfield, VermontD        Implications of Recent Legal Changes on System Management and          Information Assurance  7 The full details of this upcoming tour are available at G http://www.rlgsc.com/ieee/vermont/2005-09/announce.html. Other upcoming - presentations by Mr. Gezelter may be found at # http://www.rlgsc.com/upcoming.html.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 10:21:47 -0700' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> = Subject: Re: Mixed interconnect VAX VMS 6.2 cluster challenge C Message-ID: <1127323307.641063.143190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Update:   @ The networking team put us on pair of Cisco 6500 routers.  TheseE routers run our data center and connect us to all the other branches. C (We're a really big bank).  The total data center cpu load on these  routers is 1 to 2 percent.  F When I booted in the remote node (just one, we're still in the testingF phase) the routers cpu load jumped to 65 percent, then settled back toB 30 percent cpu for the remainder of a (just one) shadow copy.  TheF shadow set (rz40's 9gig) had one member at site one, and one member atC site two (the remote site).  Site two initiated the copy.  The copy G took 5 hours 43 minutes, down from 24 hours, with the old routers.  The ) routers are now averaging 10 percent cpu.   B The network team said they are running dlsw to 'packatize" the scsF traffic to send over tcp/ip.  I assume dlsw is a protocol that runs on  the Cisco, is there another one?  F We don't have a common cluster que manager and I couldn't get locktime@ to do a remote submit.  So I don't have it's cluster wide times.  E Here is the output from rexmt.com cluster wide.  The ReX and ReC have B been building very slowly, with 90 percent of them coming from the boot. + Site 1 tntv1, tntv3, v5        Site 2 tntv6    this was performed from tntv1    SYSMAN> do @rexmt 1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node TNTV1 A Remote System Name:  TNTV1  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2049   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV3  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2051   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV5  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2053   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV6  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2054   ;   ReXmt         433/428  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS  30295+24565 ?   ReRcv              19  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       11 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node TNTV5 A Remote System Name:  TNTV5  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2053   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV1  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2049   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV3  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2051   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV6  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2054   ;   ReXmt           38/38  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS  31846+27938 ?   ReRcv              18  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       11 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node TNTV3 A Remote System Name:  TNTV3  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2051   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV1  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2049   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV5  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2053   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV6  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2054   ;   ReXmt           77/75  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS  21817+19415 ?   ReRcv              25  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       11 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node TNTV6 A Remote System Name:  TNTV6  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2054   ;   ReXmt             0/0  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS 	 3000000+0 ?   ReRcv               0  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV5  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2053   ;   ReXmt           27/27  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS  56708+63464 ?   ReRcv              10  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV3  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2051   ;   ReXmt           47/47  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS  37779+28311 ?   ReRcv              29  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1A Remote System Name:  TNTV1  (0:VAX)     Remote SCSSYSTEMID:  2049   ;   ReXmt           23/23  NPAGEDYN Low          0  RndTrp uS  42646+27119 ?   ReRcv              27  Bad Checksum          0  Channel Count       1 SYSMAN>   ' The 490,000 block copy took 11 minutes.   7 Now that I have a working cluster, what should I watch?       F btw: VAXCluster Principles is available at wwwlib.umi.com  $185.xx forE the paper version, $195.xx for hardback.  It seemed expensive until I A bought my daughters college text books, then I ordered a copy.  I D started spot reading sections, now that I've settled down, I'm doing= the cover to cover read.  It really is an excellent source...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:45:22 -0500 " From: "Schroeder, AJ" <aj1@qg.com>B Subject: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS?) Message-ID: <dgrv6j$cgf$1@sxnews1.qg.com>    Hello group,  I I recently installed CSWS 2.0 on OpenVMS 7.3-1 Alpha. along with the PHP  K package. I stuck a test HTML page out in my home directory, nothing fancy,  M just a testing/placeholder page. I am getting what appears to be CSWS or VMS  L having trouble dealing with embedded characters that may have been inserted J into the HTML page. I used PuTTY, Xterm, and MS telnet and I got the same J results. So I finally hooked up a VT420 terminal to the machine and typed : the HTML out on the serial console - and the same results!  J I am familiar with Apache on FreeBSD, and CSWS is based off Apache, but I M have not had anything like this before on *ix. The interesting thing to note  I is that the default web page displays without any issues, as well as the   Apache manuals.   J I am pretty sure I am missing something obvious or simple and any help is  appreciated.  8 Here is the link so you can see what I am talking about:  5 http://destro.butler.tmscomputers.com:8080/~ajschroe/      Thanks,   
 AJ Schroeder     ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2005 15:54:07 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)F Subject: Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS?+ Message-ID: <3pde0vF9tt06U1@individual.net>   ) In article <dgrv6j$cgf$1@sxnews1.qg.com>, % 	"Schroeder, AJ" <aj1@qg.com> writes:  > : > Here is the link so you can see what I am talking about: > 7 > http://destro.butler.tmscomputers.com:8080/~ajschroe/  >   ? If it's supposed to display "Test page" on the screen, it works : just fine from here!!  What is supposed to be the problem?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:52:58 -0400 ' From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> F Subject: Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS?6 Message-ID: <7dd80f605092108521de46730@mail.gmail.com>  - On 9/21/05, Schroeder, AJ <aj1@qg.com> wrote:  > Hello group, > J > I recently installed CSWS 2.0 on OpenVMS 7.3-1 Alpha. along with the PHPL > package. I stuck a test HTML page out in my home directory, nothing fancy= , L > just a testing/placeholder page. I am getting what appears to be CSWS or = VMS L > having trouble dealing with embedded characters that may have been insert= edK > into the HTML page. I used PuTTY, Xterm, and MS telnet and I got the same K > results. So I finally hooked up a VT420 terminal to the machine and typed < > the HTML out on the serial console - and the same results!  B How did you create the file? Where? Did you transfer the file from another OS to VMS?  F There is a currently a (dumb) requirement that all input files to CSWSE must be in Stream-lf format. If your file is not (do a $dir/fu on the * file), the format will have to be changed.   Ken K > I am familiar with Apache on FreeBSD, and CSWS is based off Apache, but I L > have not had anything like this before on *ix. The interesting thing to n= ote J > is that the default web page displays without any issues, as well as the > Apache manuals.  > K > I am pretty sure I am missing something obvious or simple and any help is  > appreciated. > : > Here is the link so you can see what I am talking about: > 7 > http://destro.butler.tmscomputers.com:8080/~ajschroe/  >  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > AJ Schroeder >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:10:20 -0400 ' From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> F Subject: Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS?6 Message-ID: <7dd80f605092109101025de83@mail.gmail.com>  F On 21 Sep 2005 15:54:07 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:+ > In article <dgrv6j$cgf$1@sxnews1.qg.com>, A > If it's supposed to display "Test page" on the screen, it works < > just fine from here!!  What is supposed to be the problem? >  > bill  F What browser did you use? On both MSIE & Firefox on Win XP Home, I see5 little squares indicating non-displayable characters.    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:14:03 -0500 " From: "Schroeder, AJ" <aj1@qg.com>F Subject: Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS?) Message-ID: <dgs0sb$cif$1@sxnews1.qg.com>   5 "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> wrote in message  0 news:7dd80f605092108521de46730@mail.gmail.com...- On 9/21/05, Schroeder, AJ <aj1@qg.com> wrote:  > Hello group, > J > I recently installed CSWS 2.0 on OpenVMS 7.3-1 Alpha. along with the PHPL > package. I stuck a test HTML page out in my home directory, nothing fancy,K > just a testing/placeholder page. I am getting what appears to be CSWS or   > VMS E > having trouble dealing with embedded characters that may have been  
 > insertedK > into the HTML page. I used PuTTY, Xterm, and MS telnet and I got the same K > results. So I finally hooked up a VT420 terminal to the machine and typed < > the HTML out on the serial console - and the same results!  B How did you create the file? Where? Did you transfer the file from another OS to VMS?  M I created the file using EDIT through a telnet window. When that didn't work  K right, I hopped on the console using EDIT again. I tried creating the file  8 on Winders and FTP-ing it over, but that was quite ugly.  F There is a currently a (dumb) requirement that all input files to CSWSE must be in Stream-lf format. If your file is not (do a $dir/fu on the * file), the format will have to be changed.  M I did a dir/fu, but how do I tell what format the file is? If the file is in  K the incorrect format, how would I change it or make sure future html pages   are created properly?    Ken K > I am familiar with Apache on FreeBSD, and CSWS is based off Apache, but I J > have not had anything like this before on *ix. The interesting thing to  > noteJ > is that the default web page displays without any issues, as well as the > Apache manuals.  > K > I am pretty sure I am missing something obvious or simple and any help is  > appreciated. > : > Here is the link so you can see what I am talking about: > 7 > http://destro.butler.tmscomputers.com:8080/~ajschroe/  >  > 	 > Thanks,  >  > AJ Schroeder >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:31:49 -0400 4 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca>F Subject: Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS?+ Message-ID: <3pdg7oF9q6d6U1@individual.net>    Schroeder, AJ wrote: >...C > I did a dir/fu, but how do I tell what format the file is? If the E > file is in the incorrect format, how would I change it or make sure ) > future html pages are created properly?  >...    F In the "Record format" section you will see "Stream_LF" if the file is correct. Check out the page   \ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_install_20.html#config_convert_lf  E for instructions on converting the files and many other useful things , you need to know when running Apache on VMS.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2005 16:50:26 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)F Subject: Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS?+ Message-ID: <3pdhaiF9uv33U1@individual.net>   6 In article <7dd80f605092109101025de83@mail.gmail.com>,* 	Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes:H > On 21 Sep 2005 15:54:07 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:, >> In article <dgrv6j$cgf$1@sxnews1.qg.com>,B >> If it's supposed to display "Test page" on the screen, it works= >> just fine from here!!  What is supposed to be the problem?  >> >> bill H > What browser did you use? On both MSIE & Firefox on Win XP Home, I see7 > little squares indicating non-displayable characters.   D Well, this is interesting.   I just tried all my available browsers.  F Konqueror on FreeBSD displays the page, and a view source shows normal HTML.   D IE shows the little boxes and in notepad when I do a view source all I get are little boxes.   C Opera just shows one box after the string "Test page..." but a view  source shows a bunch of them.   D Netscape shows a line of litle boxes above and below but acually gotB the <h1> attribute right.  View source shows a lot of little boxesC replacein some of the "<" which may have something tot o do with it  not doing things right.   A I did a Fetch of the page itself and then looked at it in vi.  It A contains lots of un-printable chatacters and at least one ">" is   missing.  F Somehow I think it has to do with the editor your using and the format the file is being saved as.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 21 Sep 2005 14:11:53 GMT- From: Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> Y Subject: Re: OT: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create   jo 7 Message-ID: <43316a29$0$20000$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl>   # Doc. <Doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote: 0 > [crossposted to comp.sys.hp.hpux, comp.os.vms] > [followups to comp.os.vms]  $ ["Followup-To: comp.os.vms" ignored.  E > Florian Anwander <spam.interessiert.nicht@mnet-online.de> wrote in  % > news:3p9vkmF9dkngU1@individual.net:  >  > <snip> > L > > I don't mind, pseudonyms in technical debates, but if you get personal,  > > stand for with your person.  > G > The original crosspost should have been ignored by all parties.  The  I > crosspost between a unix group and a VMS group is pretty inappropriate.   B   Exactly which part of "HP" in the subject didn't you understand?  D   You may consider the subject *off-topic*, but comp.sys.hp.hpux andH comp.os.vms are both HP-related groups. UNIX 'versus' VMS has nothing to do with it.   L > I'm sure were the pseudononymous person a regular in your group you might ? > have been more forgiving although I understand the sentiment.  >  >  > Doc. > --  G > http://www.openvms-rocks.com   Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster < > Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:06:44 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> J Subject: RE: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS thingsR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB6B2A77@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: rejoc [mailto:rejoc@FREEfree.fr]=20 # > Sent: September 19, 2005 11:03 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com A > Subject: Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing=20  > of VMS things  >=20  > jordan@ccs4vms.com a =E9crit : > >=20C > > A real shame, too, because PMDF is just too pricy for our small > > > customers (much less my home setup), and VMS is getting=20 > pushed out of B > > the mail handling role at those sites because of the severe=20 > limits of H > > the HP SMTP utility handling multiple domains and store and forward. > >=20I > Have a look at CommuniGate (http://www.stalker.com). Not exactly the=20 - > same coverage, but can help in some cases..  >=20  F Re: Communigate Pro .. Yep, nice option if you would like a no virus =J server solution to replace your Exchange servers but still maintain your =G Outlook clients, has active-active clustering, and can share the load = B across all servers at all sites (up to 800km apart). With Sophos =D antivirus and Process anti-spam (both on OpenVMS), you have a nice = package.  J Also, Communigate Pro has received some nice press lately as well: (V4.3 =	 Aug 2005) 3 http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1846661,00.asp    Regards    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 07:18:26 -0700& From: "Bart Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com>J Subject: Re: Pathworks for the hobbyist, and general pricing of VMS thingsC Message-ID: <1127312306.918108.117000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   0 Indeed, I mixed up with the history of Multinet!   Thanks,    Bart   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 08:05:53 -0700" From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com Subject: Processes is PFW state B Message-ID: <1127315153.130301.51960@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  A I have lots of processes in PFW state, which I know is "Page File E Wait", however I have lots of pagefile space, and significant amounts  of main memory available.       What is causing this??      -    Is it somehow related to pagefile quota???    Dave.    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 12:02:35 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) # Subject: Re: Processes is PFW state 3 Message-ID: <2zYnOKJOFYI6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <1127315153.130301.51960@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com writes: C > I have lots of processes in PFW state, which I know is "Page File G > Wait", however I have lots of pagefile space, and significant amounts  > of main memory available.  >  >    What is causing this??  >     / >    Is it somehow related to pagefile quota???       Is your disk broken?   .    Pagefile quota limits should not cause PFW.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:15:05 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net># Subject: Re: Processes is PFW state ; Message-ID: <tygYe.4355$lB4.2699@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   # dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com wrote:   C > I have lots of processes in PFW state, which I know is "Page File G > Wait", however I have lots of pagefile space, and significant amounts  > of main memory available.   3 Suggest you read the Performance Management manual.   7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6491/6491pro.html      >    What is causing this??  >     / >    Is it somehow related to pagefile quota???    > Dave.  >    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:37:47 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> # Subject: Re: Processes is PFW state 0 Message-ID: <11j368v680n7f6b@corp.supernews.com>  # dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com wrote: C > I have lots of processes in PFW state, which I know is "Page File G > Wait", however I have lots of pagefile space, and significant amounts  > of main memory available.  >  >    What is causing this??  >     / >    Is it somehow related to pagefile quota???  >  > Dave.  >   & As another corrected, page fault wait.  D What are the average ratios of WSQUO to working set, and to virtual I pages?  You may have the memory quotas too low for the applications, and  F it doesn't do much good to have plenty of memory, if the users cannot ! use it due to working set quotas.   I While you cannot avoid some page faults, you can minimize such by having  + sufficent memory available to each process.   H Without monitoring your system and seeing trends, it's hard to diagnose  problems such as your question.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:21:46 -0000 / From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> & Subject: Re: Putty SSH to Linux server0 Message-ID: <11j2d1qa20mcud4@corp.supernews.com>  < Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:] > In article <1127217432.061721.242740@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, corne@rtt.co.za writes: I >> I have a Redhat Linux Ent 3 server running a Unix/Dos like menu system = >> for users to connect via internet and use the menu system.   ' >    And you came asking VMS group why?   & he could have posted to comp.terminals  D >    Yes, many of us do use puTTY.  Since I don't know what settingsF >    your Linux system expects, I can't tell you what settings to use.C >    But most software is happy with VT100 emulation and puTTY does A >    a useable job of VT100 emulation (not perfect, but useable).   H true (not perfect - I checked its keypad with vttest yesterday and found, its mapping for keypad-plus to be confusing)  E >    Most importantly your terminal emulation in puTTY needs to match C >    the TERM variable in the Linux shell and be a supported value.   ? The numeric keypad generally isn't in the terminal description.   K (but pointing him to vttest was intended to focus on whether the "Unix/Dos" H program is actually using vt100-keypad strings, or hardcoded for example to some other flavor).     --   Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net  ftp://invisible-island.net   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 07:10:35 -0700# From: "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> T Subject: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, Guy Peleg?)B Message-ID: <1127311835.877773.37150@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  G DCL's limited ability to return values from command procedures has been F a subject of much discussion at times over the history of VMS.  If GuyC or others have recently commented on suggested enhancements in this C area, it may have escaped my notice. Otherwise, as DCL continues to 2 evolve perhaps something like this could be added:    $ EXIT [status_code] [,"string"]  E Just as EXIT currently does, it would set the reserved symbol $STATUS G to the numeric value status_code. But it would also optionally set some A new reserved symbol (perhaps $STATUS_STRING?) to the string value 	 "string".   E This would be cleaner than assigning a value to a global symbol as we  must currently do.  F (To avoid breakage of existing code which [against advice of the docs]E already uses the new reserved symbol for something else, this feature B could be enabled or disabled via some kind of SET command, and its/ state sensed via a new F$ENVIRONMENT argument.)   C Obviously I don't know how difficult this would be to implement; it E might also have other implications that I haven't thought of yet. But 1 at first glance it seems a reasonable suggestion.   ; Or maybe it's the lamest idea to come along this week?  :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:18:11 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGX Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, Guy Peleg?)0 Message-ID: <00A4A21E.3C012F25@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <1127311835.877773.37150@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Galen" <gltackett@gmail.com> writes:H >DCL's limited ability to return values from command procedures has beenG >a subject of much discussion at times over the history of VMS.  If Guy D >or others have recently commented on suggested enhancements in thisD >area, it may have escaped my notice. Otherwise, as DCL continues to3 >evolve perhaps something like this could be added:  > ! >$ EXIT [status_code] [,"string"]  > F >Just as EXIT currently does, it would set the reserved symbol $STATUSH >to the numeric value status_code. But it would also optionally set someB >new reserved symbol (perhaps $STATUS_STRING?) to the string value
 >"string". > F >This would be cleaner than assigning a value to a global symbol as we >must currently do.  > G >(To avoid breakage of existing code which [against advice of the docs] F >already uses the new reserved symbol for something else, this featureC >could be enabled or disabled via some kind of SET command, and its 0 >state sensed via a new F$ENVIRONMENT argument.) > D >Obviously I don't know how difficult this would be to implement; itF >might also have other implications that I haven't thought of yet. But2 >at first glance it seems a reasonable suggestion. > < >Or maybe it's the lamest idea to come along this week?  :-)  G The lamest idea was Mayor Nagin's idea to move people back into NO with > Rita threatening it again.  Your idea is well far behind that. --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:56:44 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> Y Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, Guy Peleg?)  ( Message-ID: <0pfYe.893$L45.422@fe07.lga>   Galen wrote:G > Just as EXIT currently does, it would set the reserved symbol $STATUS I > to the numeric value status_code. But it would also optionally set some C > new reserved symbol (perhaps $STATUS_STRING?) to the string value  > "string".  > G > This would be cleaner than assigning a value to a global symbol as we  > must currently do.   FYI, I use a /JOB logical.  8 You _could_  DEFINE/JOB STATUS_STRING "my return string"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.528 ************************