1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 22 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 529       Contents:6 Re: copying vms image backup files from tape to disk ?. Re: Disable AS200 Internal Ethernet Controller  Re: EFI/console general question4 Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC1 French govt steps up pressure on HP over job cuts 5 Re: French govt steps up pressure on HP over job cuts H Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs.H Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs.= Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS? & Re: OpenVMS Cerner and OpenView AgentsP Re: OT: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs# Parent procedures and f$environment  Re: Processes is PFW stateC Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, C Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, C Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, P Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, Guy Peleg?)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:03:32 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: copying vms image backup files from tape to disk ? + Message-ID: <43321F04.257C8340@comcast.net>    mike.whorley@coda.com wrote: >  > Hi,  > I > I'm trying to move some image backup saveset files from a tape straight  > to disk but am having no joy.  > # > What is the best way to do this ?  >  > I've tried >  > Mount/for & Mount/over=id  > + > and used copy/log mkb400:*.bck sys$login:  >  > but won't restore anything...  > G > I can use back/rew/lis to see the savesets and the backup header info  > ie >  > Save set:          DUA22.BCK > Written by:        SYSTEM $ > UIC:               [000001,000004], > Date:              29-AUG-2002 11:23:30.14
 > Command:C > BACKUP/LOG/MEDIA=COMPACT/BLOCK=32768/IGNO=INTER/IMAGE $255$DUA22: 2 > $44$MUA230:DUA22.BCK/LABEL=AVES/SAV/VERIFY/NOREW- > Operating system:  OpenVMS AXP version V6.2  > BACKUP version:    V6.2  > CPU ID register:   80000000  > Node name:         _FALCON::! > Written on:        _$44$MUA230:  > Block size:        32768 > Group size:        10  > Buffer count:      257 >  > Any ideas guys ?  H Well, without seeing what kind of errors you're getting, all I can do is guess.  3 The BACKUP/LIST segment: is that from tape or disk?   G If from disk, are you remembering to use /SAVESET as a qualifier of the  input file?   @ $ BACK/LOG ddcu:<dir>filename.ext/SAVE destination_specification  + I did this here on my little Alpha at home:   ! DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ copy nla0: t.t A %COPY-S-COPIED, NLA0: copied to DKA0:[DDACHTERA]T.T;1 (0 records) 8 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ set file/attr=(rfm=fix,lrl=32768) t.t DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir/fu t.t    Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > T.T;1                         File ID:  (674,32,0)            . Size:            0/0          Owner:    [30,1]" Created:   21-SEP-2005 22:03:45.36& Revised:   21-SEP-2005 22:04:00.51 (2) Expires:   <None specified>  Backup:    <No backup recorded>  Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>  File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online    Caching attribute:  WritethroughD File attributes:    Allocation: 0, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0$                     No version limit3 Record format:      Fixed length 32768 byte records 4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None Client attributes:  None   Total of 1 file, 0/0 blocks. DJAS01::DDACHTERA$    E I have no way to further test what you're attempting. Please post any 4 messages you're seeing and we'll give it another go.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:17:00 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> 7 Subject: Re: Disable AS200 Internal Ethernet Controller 8 Message-ID: <bom3j1psjrcs8pfqnmfqqo06s0du9357oc@4ax.com>  J On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:14:33 -0600, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:  D >The internal Ethernet controller (EWA0) on my AS200 4/233 has gone M >south.  Is there way to disable this (SRM setting, etc) so that VMS doesn't  I >see it?  I have a DE500 installed int he box, and would prefer that VMS  7 >(and Tru64 when I boot that) only see that controller.   % Try $ MC SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE=(EWA0)   G I don't think it's possible to hide the device at the console level, so L you'll need to look in the Tru64 documentation for its equivalent of "ignore
 this device".    --  % Now that's what I call a dead parrot.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:44:12 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>) Subject: Re: EFI/console general question 2 Message-ID: <0ShYe.13023$Pi3.629@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dave Weatherall wrote:H > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:41:46 UTC, "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> > wrote: ... L >>The design of the GUID Partition Table based disk is that block 0 contains >>a legacy MBR.  ...   D    Technically, with a Protective MBR.  EFI disks without GPTs have G MBRs, which are known by various of those folks that work with GPTs as  > Legacy MBRs, and likely simply as MBRs by most everybody else.  I    A Protective MBR looks just like a Legacy MBR which looks just like a  I classic MBR.  The salient difference is that the Protective MBR pretends  D to fill the whole disk, and presents a volume structure code of EE. H (Legacy MBRs can and often do fill the whole disk too, though.  They're C just not pretending.)  This MBR-based protection insulates the GPT  F structures against corruptions from consoles that don't recognize GPT E structures.  There's no particular structural difference between the   various types of MBRs.  G    OpenVMS I64 does use and prefer GPTs (with the requisite Protective  I MBR), but can also use and boot from a disk with a Legacy MBR in a pinch.   E > Complete with one of Hoff's (and my) beloved 'harmless signatures'   > :-)??       Complete with, yes.  F    Both the Legacy MBR and the Protective MBR -- being the same basic G structures -- have signatures.  (OpenVMS happens to use part of a GUID  C value to generate the MBR signature, FWIW.  See the sys$create_uid  @ system service for details on obtaining GUID values on OpenVMS.)  I    Oh, and GPTs have signatures, too.  Even bigger ones, and rather more   of them.      --   I    And to summarize, OpenVMS Alpha data disks and OpenVMS I64 system and  I data disks initialized with INITIALIZE/GPT won't see problems due to the  C "harmless signature".  (/GPT is the default on OpenVMS I64, and is  F optional on INITIALIZE on OpenVMS Alpha.)  OpenVMS Alpha system disks H have a BTB bootblock structure and not MBR structures, and thus the BTB H bootblock structures can still get corrupted by the so-called "harmless I signature" overwrite.  Use WRITEBOOT to recover from the results of this  H on an OpenVMS Alpha system disk.  (OpenVMS I64 uses SYS$SETBOOT and the G SET BOOTBLOCK command for this, and not WRITEBOOT.  But again, OpenVMS  F I64 system and data disks are not vulnerable to this particular case.)        Hoff   $    [insert my regular sig file here]   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:45:31 -0400 4 From: "Mister Scary" <daniel_newhouse@earthlink.net>= Subject: Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC 4 Message-ID: <76nYe.147$7l.55@bignews2.bellsouth.net>  I They sent me a license, but the only way I see to get the software is to   spend $30 on that CD.   I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:IAu3fJi4Doqd@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > In article <X_4Te.975$Tn6.950@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "Mister Scary" ) > <daniel_newhouse@earthlink.net> writes: I >> You have to join Encompass for $90 a year to get the OpenVMS emulator.  >> > $ >   That's just absolutely not true. > 7 >   You can get a VAX simulator, such as SIMH for free. 6 >   You can become an associate to Encompass for free.5 >   You can then get a VMS hobbyist license for free. E >   You can then install VMS on that emulated VAX by borrowing media.  > 6 >   The only time you need to consider spending money:1 >      If you want a real VAX, Alpha, or Itanium. 6 >      If you want to be a voting member of Encompass.( >      If you want a commercial license.H >      If you want to order a copy of the Hobbyist media (same software,= >      but only selected popular parts so it fits on one CD).  >    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 12:39:25 -0700 From: mark_hpq@yahoo.com: Subject: French govt steps up pressure on HP over job cutsC Message-ID: <1127331565.627091.264870@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   q http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh59479_2005-09-21_16-12-01_l21568884_newsml    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:49 -0400  From: Rich <none@none.com>> Subject: Re: French govt steps up pressure on HP over job cuts8 Message-ID: <irr3j1hqov4t6k8nkpl48asee66i1o2o0e@4ax.com>  8 On 21 Sep 2005 12:39:25 -0700, mark_hpq@yahoo.com wrote:  r >http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh59479_2005-09-21_16-12-01_l21568884_newsml  / "Let them eat cheap, plastic point and shoots!"  -Rich    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:54:32 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Q Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. + Message-ID: <43321CE8.9B81BA83@comcast.net>    Z wrote: >  > Dennis Couch wrote: N > > IIRC, the automotive unions here in the US did something like this a while( > > back in order to create more jobs... > * > The UAW is killing the US auto industry.    To quote Bill Todd, "Horseshit!"   > You simply can't continue toA > pay a UAW monkey $30/hr to do a low-skill job like installing a $ > windshield and remain competitive.  H If you consider installing a windshield to be a "a low-skill job" I'd be; surprised if you said you trust *ANY* motor vehicle at all.   = I'm sure the "UAW monkey"s would take great exception to that  classification.   - Clearly, however, you not where of you speak.   C Perhaps you'd like to see the illegals aliens doing such "low-skill H job"s for slave-labor pay (if any), and still expect the manufacturer to; honor a warranty and provide a safe, reliable product ... ?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:36:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Q Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. , Message-ID: <433234E1.EF1AEAE4@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: , > > The UAW is killing the US auto industry. > " > To quote Bill Todd, "Horseshit!"   Cow-processed grass !   G When defined benenit programmes (retirement & health) were established, G actuaries were put to task to set these up. The later assumed a certain H return on investment, as well as a constantly growing work force to make contributions to the plans.   G The high returns on investments in the 1990s compensated for a start of C downsizing trends. When the investments went from overperforming to D underperforming in 2000/2001, those funds started to get heavier and	 heavier.    B When you look at HP, HP didn't have any problems announcing it wasF ending defined benefit programmes and now using defined contributions.? But in the case of unionised companies such as car industry and B airlines, the companies couldn't dare do that because unions wouldG revolt and go on strike. As a result, those companies are now straddled @ with huge liabilities/obligations which will require the companyG actually spend far more than it can to fill the definit in those plans.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:13:09 -0500 " From: "Schroeder, AJ" <aj1@qg.com>F Subject: Re: Newbie question: HTML does not display correctly on CSWS?) Message-ID: <dgs7rl$cq8$1@sxnews1.qg.com>   @ "Peter Weaver" <newsgroup@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote in message % news:3pdg7oF9q6d6U1@individual.net...  > Schroeder, AJ wrote: >>... D >> I did a dir/fu, but how do I tell what format the file is? If theF >> file is in the incorrect format, how would I change it or make sure* >> future html pages are created properly? >>...  >  > H > In the "Record format" section you will see "Stream_LF" if the file is > correct. Check out the page  > ^ > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_install_20.html#config_convert_lf >   L That did it for me, I knew it was something simple that I missed. Thank you 
 very much.    G > for instructions on converting the files and many other useful things . > you need to know when running Apache on VMS. >  > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:04:35 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>/ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Cerner and OpenView Agents + Message-ID: <43321F43.7D9856C4@comcast.net>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > r > In article <1127257429.881040.277650@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "LASDDataCenter" <mscherni@lasd.org> writes:E > >OpenVMS 7.31 is the OS, Cerner is the application, OpenView is the , > >monitor....any tips I should be aware of? > N > V73_MGMTAGENTS ? I rarely see them working (standalone, I don't have OV) ... > OVO/SPI ? Can't comment. > * > btw. V7.3-2 (and V8.2) is the better os.  " (Certification issues - my guess.)   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 11:37:07 -0700 From: mark_hpq@yahoo.comY Subject: Re: OT: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to create jobs C Message-ID: <1127327826.946566.184020@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E >The original crosspost should have been ignored by all parties.  The H >crosspost between a unix group and a VMS group is pretty inappropriate.  " Nope. It is perfectly legitimate :   Hp UX + HP VMS = HP (UX + VMS)   The common denominator is : HP   CQFD.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:44:12 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>, Subject: Parent procedures and f$environment0 Message-ID: <BF5792BC.1454E%roktsci@comcast.net>  5 Can anyone help me with this DCL programming request?   J F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE") returns the file specification of the currently* executing command procedure. That is cool!  F F$ENVIRONMENT("DEPTH") returns the integer depth of nested DCL command procedures.   J Given that your depth is 6, how can you find the file specification of theL parent calling procedure (level 5), and it's parent (level 4), and on up the tree to level 1?   Thank you in advance.    Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:18:02 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net># Subject: Re: Processes is PFW state + Message-ID: <4332226A.559374C7@comcast.net>   # dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com wrote:  > C > I have lots of processes in PFW state, which I know is "Page File G > Wait", however I have lots of pagefile space, and significant amounts  > of main memory available.  >  >    What is causing this??  > / >    Is it somehow related to pagefile quota???  >  > Dave.   H Well, no. If you can, use SHOW MEMORY/PHYSICAL and see how much freelistF is left. My guess: little or no freelist remaining and you're about toH crash or hang due to memory constraints (run-away processes? ...too many- processes with WSDEFAULT set too high? ...?).   E We saw that when they tried to start too many Cerner server processes H (refreshed Dev from Prod, forgot to change the server counts). One time,H I was able to STOP/ID a bunch of processes from another cluster node andE un-"lock" the system, but we still had to take a boot to clean it up. 4 Just the Dev cluster, but still a "fire" to fight...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Sep 2005 14:38:03 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgL Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello,3 Message-ID: <oWtOPtSQDM1I@eisner.encompasserve.org>   > In article <0pfYe.893$L45.422@fe07.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes: > Galen wrote:H >> Just as EXIT currently does, it would set the reserved symbol $STATUSJ >> to the numeric value status_code. But it would also optionally set someD >> new reserved symbol (perhaps $STATUS_STRING?) to the string value >> "string". >>  H >> This would be cleaner than assigning a value to a global symbol as we >> must currently do.  >  > FYI, I use a /JOB logical. > : > You _could_  DEFINE/JOB STATUS_STRING "my return string"  C I guess you're free to use whatever you like.  However, using a job A logical name seems to me to be just asking to be bitten by a race 
 condition.  F I don't see the advantage of being able to retrieve status informationE from the result of a PIPE or SPAWN as outweighing the disadvantage of G using a shareable scratchpad where a private scratchpad is appropriate.    	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:01:28 -0700 ! From: Fred Bach <music@triumf.ca> L Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello,( Message-ID: <43321078.9020801@triumf.ca>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:   @ > In article <0pfYe.893$L45.422@fe07.lga>, Z <Z@no.spam> writes: >  >>Galen wrote: >>H >>>Just as EXIT currently does, it would set the reserved symbol $STATUSJ >>>to the numeric value status_code. But it would also optionally set someD >>>new reserved symbol (perhaps $STATUS_STRING?) to the string value >>>"string". >>> H >>>This would be cleaner than assigning a value to a global symbol as we >>>must currently do.  >> >>FYI, I use a /JOB logical. >>: >>You _could_  DEFINE/JOB STATUS_STRING "my return string" >  > E > I guess you're free to use whatever you like.  However, using a job C > logical name seems to me to be just asking to be bitten by a race  > condition. >       John,  >    I have seen what I think are race conditions in VMS before,>    mostly having to do with a delay in closing a file, another>    having to do with SET TERMINAL not working reliably.  Could@    you please more fully describe this particular race condition>    you're talking about wrt /job logicals?  We use them a lot.
    Thanks.  (    .. fred bach  music at triumf dot c a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:50:58 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> L Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello,( Message-ID: <RKqYe.2690$845.62@fe03.lga>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote:  >>FYI, I use a /JOB logical.: >>You _could_  DEFINE/JOB STATUS_STRING "my return string"  E > I guess you're free to use whatever you like.  However, using a job C > logical name seems to me to be just asking to be bitten by a race  > condition. > H > I don't see the advantage of being able to retrieve status informationG > from the result of a PIPE or SPAWN as outweighing the disadvantage of I > using a shareable scratchpad where a private scratchpad is appropriate.   D I don't see the race condition problem ... can you be more specific?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:10:36 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, Guy Peleg?)  + Message-ID: <433220AC.9D036746@comcast.net>    Galen wrote: > I > DCL's limited ability to return values from command procedures has been H > a subject of much discussion at times over the history of VMS.  If GuyE > or others have recently commented on suggested enhancements in this E > area, it may have escaped my notice. Otherwise, as DCL continues to 4 > evolve perhaps something like this could be added: > " > $ EXIT [status_code] [,"string"] > G > Just as EXIT currently does, it would set the reserved symbol $STATUS I > to the numeric value status_code. But it would also optionally set some C > new reserved symbol (perhaps $STATUS_STRING?) to the string value  > "string".  > G > This would be cleaner than assigning a value to a global symbol as we  > must currently do.   How so?   H > (To avoid breakage of existing code which [against advice of the docs]G > already uses the new reserved symbol for something else, this feature D > could be enabled or disabled via some kind of SET command, and its1 > state sensed via a new F$ENVIRONMENT argument.)  > E > Obviously I don't know how difficult this would be to implement; it G > might also have other implications that I haven't thought of yet. But 3 > at first glance it seems a reasonable suggestion.  > = > Or maybe it's the lamest idea to come along this week?  :-)   F Well, I don't see the issue with global symbols, or even logical names1 in higher-level tables (a private table or /JOB).   @ I don't think it's lame, I just think its "the long way around".  B Introduces lots of questions, also. For example, does the value ofD $STATUS_STRING change anytime the value of $STATUS changes? Does theG depth invoking the proc. see $STATUS_STRING as a local symbol? Can that " value be passed out of a PIPEline?  , Can of worms. There maybe a better approach.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.529 ************************