1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 23 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 531       Contents:9 DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process? = Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process? = Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process? = Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process? = Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process? = Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process? = Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic? 4 Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PCH Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs.H Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. Re: Kea and VMS  Re: Kea and VMS 4 OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S.8 Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S.8 Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S.8 Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S.8 Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S.8 Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S.' Re: Parent procedures and f$environment  Proper way to shut down HSZ80?# Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH # Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH # Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH # Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH # Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH # Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH 9 Re: TCP/IP Config Setting to set Network speed to 100Mbps 9 Re: TCP/IP Config Setting to set Network speed to 100Mbps 9 Re: TCP/IP Config Setting to set Network speed to 100Mbps 9 Re: TCP/IP Config Setting to set Network speed to 100Mbps  TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1  Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1  Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1  Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1 C Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, C Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, + Re: Wget 1.10.1a (less preliminary) exists.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2005 13:41:08 -0700 From: WeLikeNuts@gmail.comB Subject: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?C Message-ID: <1127421668.594411.292720@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   D A little background:  All of our users connect to our Alpha (OpenVMSF 7.3-2) via telnet sessions.  The vast majority of our users have their@ maxjobs limited to 1 (license issues).  However, this presents aG problem for the users who work afterhours.  Should their telnet session = get disconnected they are unable to get back into the system.   C I would imagine this is a fairly common problem, so I would like to E hear how others have worked around it.  We were thinking there may be G some DCL script we could run to either clean up these lost sessions, or E perhaps have a user they could log in as which would execute a script F to allow them to type in the username who's process they want to kill.    @ I'm a newbie, so forgive me if anything I've said is ridiculous.- Thanks in advance for any useful information.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:42:18 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) F Subject: Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?3 Message-ID: <_yFYe.13106$n94.6180@news.cpqcorp.net>   ` In article <1127421668.594411.292720@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, WeLikeNuts@gmail.com writes: :...Should their telnet session > :get disconnected they are unable to get back into the system.I :...perhaps have a user they could log in as which would execute a script I :to allow them to type in the username who's process they want to kill...   D   It might be easier to enable virtual terminals, and get back into C   the session that was disconnected.  There's a discussion of this  B   mechanism and how to enable it in the OpenVMS FAQ, assuming that#   TCP/IP Services is your IP stack.   >   If the disconnected processes are hanging around longer than7   desired, do look at the TTY_TIMEOUT system parameter.   B   Logging in under another username is trivial.  Controlling which?   process is targeted for deletion is a somewhat more difficult @   problem -- well, unless you want to allow an "open season" on ?   all running processes either in a particular UIC group, or on    all users on a system.  A   If you want to allow an "open season", prompting for a username C   and performing a series of f$getjpi calls looking for interactive A   processes with matching usernames is some very simple DCL code. ?   Within the same group, you need GROUP privilege.  Across any  >   processes in the system, you need WORLD privileges.  (You'll>   likely want to use the PID, too -- STOP/ID=pid, rather than <   "STOP process" -- as the PID works across UIC groups.  The>   process name mechanism is restricted to the same UIC group.)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:46:58 -0400 $ From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail>F Subject: Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?* Message-ID: <4333507a@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K I'm with Hoff on going to virtual terminals. I like those a llot to retain  K context from office to home and back, or from one day in the office to the  3 next by using a long 60,000 second session timeout.   + To carry forward on the group priv idea.... D How about a special captive account, one per group, with group priv.I In its command file display exisiting sessions within the group, or just   prompt for a username to kill.M Make some simple checks (like which image is active if any), which terminal,   last kill time and such.K When it checkes out, use FORCEX first to give any running code a chance to  	 clean up. 
 Then STOP/ID. L Maintain a log of user name killed, kill time, pid, terminal used by killer.   Hein.     1 "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff@hp.nospam> wrote in message  - news:_yFYe.13106$n94.6180@news.cpqcorp.net... F > In article <1127421668.594411.292720@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,  > WeLikeNuts@gmail.com writes:! > :...Should their telnet session @ > :get disconnected they are unable to get back into the system.K > :...perhaps have a user they could log in as which would execute a script K > :to allow them to type in the username who's process they want to kill...  > D >  It might be easier to enable virtual terminals, and get back intoC >  the session that was disconnected.  There's a discussion of this C >  mechanism and how to enable it in the OpenVMS FAQ, assuming that $ >  TCP/IP Services is your IP stack. > ? >  If the disconnected processes are hanging around longer than 8 >  desired, do look at the TTY_TIMEOUT system parameter. > C >  Logging in under another username is trivial.  Controlling which @ >  process is targeted for deletion is a somewhat more difficult@ >  problem -- well, unless you want to allow an "open season" on@ >  all running processes either in a particular UIC group, or on >  all users on a system.  > B >  If you want to allow an "open season", prompting for a usernameD >  and performing a series of f$getjpi calls looking for interactiveB >  processes with matching usernames is some very simple DCL code.? >  Within the same group, you need GROUP privilege.  Across any ? >  processes in the system, you need WORLD privileges.  (You'll > >  likely want to use the PID, too -- STOP/ID=pid, rather than= >  "STOP process" -- as the PID works across UIC groups.  The ? >  process name mechanism is restricted to the same UIC group.)  > ( > ---------------------------- #include ) > <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- L >    For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq, > --------------------------- pure personal % > opinion --------------------------- F >        Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:03:48 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>F Subject: Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?+ Message-ID: <43335474.FB9835CA@comcast.net>    WeLikeNuts@gmail.com wrote:  > F > A little background:  All of our users connect to our Alpha (OpenVMSH > 7.3-2) via telnet sessions.  The vast majority of our users have theirB > maxjobs limited to 1 (license issues).  However, this presents aI > problem for the users who work afterhours.  Should their telnet session ? > get disconnected they are unable to get back into the system.  > E > I would imagine this is a fairly common problem, so I would like to G > hear how others have worked around it.  We were thinking there may be I > some DCL script we could run to either clean up these lost sessions, or G > perhaps have a user they could log in as which would execute a script H > to allow them to type in the username who's process they want to kill. > B > I'm a newbie, so forgive me if anything I've said is ridiculous./ > Thanks in advance for any useful information.   9 I'll second Hoff's advice, but with a bit of explanation.   H "Virtual terminals" are pseudo devices that are connected to your TELNETF port on one end, and your process on the other. If your TELNET sessionD gets dropped, you reconnect and log back in at which time the systemF informs you that you have one or more disconnected processes, and asksB if you want to reconnect (and to which process, if more than one).   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:31:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> F Subject: Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?, Message-ID: <433368F3.1291EF3D@teksavvy.com>  I I think that having session auto terminate/timeout is the best way to go.   ? Another way would be to give everyone a job limit of 2, then in G SYLOGIN.COM add code to check if an existing session already exists, if E so, then prompt used to kill that older session. If the answer is NO, D you log them out. If the answer is yes, you kill the old session and2 then give the use a $ prompt for a normal session.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:33:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> F Subject: Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?+ Message-ID: <43336944.C6C0476@teksavvy.com>    David J Dachtera wrote: J > "Virtual terminals" are pseudo devices that are connected to your TELNET1 > port on one end, and your process on the other.     F Do virtual terminals on TNA devices allow you to reconnect even if you/ are now coming in from a different IP address ?   H (Consider a dialup use whose connection is severed and dials back in and is given a different IP).    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2005 22:10:50 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) F Subject: Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?3 Message-ID: <uPKpTa4XcFf+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <43336944.C6C0476@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   H > Do virtual terminals on TNA devices allow you to reconnect even if you1 > are now coming in from a different IP address ?   B The connection between the UCB of the Virtual Terminal and the UCBA of the old Physical Terminal has been broken at the hangup event. @ That is the only way the Virtual Terminal and associated session% are available for the new connection.   B Thus, the new copy of LOGINOUT (the one offering to connect you to? an existing session) has no way to know what the old IP address C might have been so it cannot base any decision on that information.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:26:21 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?3 Message-ID: <NYHYe.13116$wW3.3944@news.cpqcorp.net>    Alan Greig wrote:  > Keith Parris wrote: F >> Dell has pulled out of the Itanium market at least once before, so  >> that's nothing new. > K > Wasn't the actual case that Dell declined to market Itanium once before?  K > I do not recall them pulling out after selling product as they have done   > now.  9 Nope. Dell's had more than one false start. For example:  7 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050915-5316.html F "The company sold an Itanium workstation, but dropped it back in late C 2001. However, Dell had a change of heart in November 2002 when it  < decided to sell Itanium 2 servers instead of AMD's Opteron."   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:06:00 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>  Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?* Message-ID: <433346E9.3050006@prodigy.net>   Keith Parris wrote:    > Alan Greig wrote:  >  >> Keith Parris wrote: >>G >>> Dell has pulled out of the Itanium market at least once before, so   >>> that's nothing new.  >> >>D >> Wasn't the actual case that Dell declined to market Itanium once J >> before? I do not recall them pulling out after selling product as they  >> have done now.  >  > ; > Nope. Dell's had more than one false start. For example:  9 > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050915-5316.html H > "The company sold an Itanium workstation, but dropped it back in late E > 2001. However, Dell had a change of heart in November 2002 when it  > > decided to sell Itanium 2 servers instead of AMD's Opteron."   so they're two-time losers   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:43:02 -0400 4 From: "Mister Scary" <daniel_newhouse@earthlink.net>= Subject: Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC 6 Message-ID: <cPKYe.830$op4.194@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   > K > Or get a perfectly legal copy from anybody who has it already. Where are   > you located? >  > S    Melbourne, FL.     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:43:44 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Q Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. + Message-ID: <43334FC0.3C2302B0@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote: . > > > The UAW is killing the US auto industry. > > $ > > To quote Bill Todd, "Horseshit!" >  > Cow-processed grass !  > I > When defined benenit programmes (retirement & health) were established, I > actuaries were put to task to set these up. The later assumed a certain J > return on investment, as well as a constantly growing work force to make > contributions to the plans.  > I > The high returns on investments in the 1990s compensated for a start of E > downsizing trends. When the investments went from overperforming to F > underperforming in 2000/2001, those funds started to get heavier and
 > heavier. > D > When you look at HP, HP didn't have any problems announcing it wasH > ending defined benefit programmes and now using defined contributions.A > But in the case of unionised companies such as car industry and D > airlines, the companies couldn't dare do that because unions wouldI > revolt and go on strike. As a result, those companies are now straddled # > with huge liabilities/obligations    Ooohhh, careful there!  G Remember: these companies have had the same obligations all along. They F just chose to procrastinate them. Now we see pension funds underfundedH to the tune of billions of dollars, companies facing hurdles they set inH their own paths and now find insurmountable, and all the other "wages of sin".     > which will require the companyI > actually spend far more than it can to fill the definit in those plans.   A Had they been properly honoring their obligations all along, they 1 wouldn't be seeing this mess of their own making.   0 They made their beds. They must now lay in them.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:29:30 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Q Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. , Message-ID: <43336870.2AB97313@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: I > Remember: these companies have had the same obligations all along. They H > just chose to procrastinate them. Now we see pension funds underfundedJ > to the tune of billions of dollars, companies facing hurdles they set inJ > their own paths and now find insurmountable, and all the other "wages of > sin".     D The difference is that with a non union company such as HP, they can@ come in tomorrow and change retirememt plans before it becomes aE bankrupcy issue. With unionised companies, unions refuse to let go of ; acquired benefits unless the company is visibly bankrupted.   B Air Canada, during its bankrupcy had a rescue plan from a group ofH investors. The plan called for pilots to agree to a defined contribution? plan (from a defined benefits). That was a requirement from the E potential investors. The union refused, investors pulled away the day * after, with liquidation being very close.   B In the end, the union's bluff worked and new investors came in and& pilots were asked to give up far less.    B Defined benefits plans were setup with certain assumptions for theB future. When those assumptions changed, those plans were no longerE viable.  When that happens, the employert either has to dish out mega F money to fill the gaps left by the underperforming fund, or change the< pension plan so that the employer doesn't have to make extraF contribution when investment returns are below actuarial expectations.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2005 12:37:07 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Kea and VMS3 Message-ID: <soQKIjO389oG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <1127403742.948177.221490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, contracer11@gmail.com writes: F > I'm using Kea for VAX emulator to access our VAX/VMS system. Can you@ > tell me how ( in a procedure) can I get default background andG > foreground color ? I need create a procedure to get default FG and BG  > KEA's color.    > I find web references to a KEA emulator for Microsoft Windows, but not KEA for VAX.  > Presuming that is what you meant, and that by "in a procedure"> you meant a VMS command procedure, the command procedure would@ not set the _default_ colors but the temporary colors, using the" same commands as for a real VT340.  B Setting the _default_ colors would be done with some control panel on the Windows machine.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:56:55 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Kea and VMS+ Message-ID: <433352D7.9DF9CA99@comcast.net>    contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > F > I'm using Kea for VAX emulator to access our VAX/VMS system. Can you@ > tell me how ( in a procedure) can I get default background andG > foreground color ? I need create a procedure to get default FG and BG  > KEA's color.	 > thanks.   F Not quite sure what you're up to there since screen colors in terminalB programs tend to be a matter of personal preference, due mostly to  biological and ergonomic issues.   For example:  E Some folks find my preferred color scheme (white/bold white text on a & blue background) to be quite annoying.  G On the other hand, some folks like dark blue on black. To me, dark blue 4 is indistinguishable from black on a monitor screen.  F Other folks might like a magenta background, or green for dev. and red for prod., or whatever...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:13:34 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>= Subject: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S. + Message-ID: <433356BE.A3343021@comcast.net>   < Two weeks ago we saw Katrina rake Louisiana and Mississippi.  B This weekend, Rita threatens the ArkLaTex - well, mostly Texas and
 Louisiana.  F We'll have to see what brews up in the Atlantic over the course of the next three weeks.   F Perhaps Fall Symposia are best held either in the Central Plains or on/ the West Coast. Preferably, the Central Plains.   
 IMHO, YMMV...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:57:11 -0400 ' From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> A Subject: Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S. 6 Message-ID: <7dd80f60509221857136cb331@mail.gmail.com>  I On 9/22/05, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote (in part): > > Two weeks ago we saw Katrina rake Louisiana and Mississippi.  F I sort of wondered why New Orleans was picked during Hurricane Season.  H > We'll have to see what brews up in the Atlantic over the course of the > next three weeks.  > H > Perhaps Fall Symposia are best held either in the Central Plains or on1 > the West Coast. Preferably, the Central Plains.   E When DECUS was in its heyday in the mid 1980's to early 1990's, there F were two Symposiums a year. The Spring Symposium was on the East CoastA (Atlanta, Miami Beach (May 1981, my 1st), Nashville (The Opryland F Hotel), St. Louis). The Fall Symposium was on the West Coast (Anaheim,< Anaheim, Anaheim (got familiar), Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San
 Francisco)   Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:43:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S. , Message-ID: <43336BAD.276BB48B@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote: H > Perhaps Fall Symposia are best held either in the Central Plains or on1 > the West Coast. Preferably, the Central Plains.   C Perhaps your refineries should not have been located in a hurricane  prone area :-)    @ I think Orlando is pretty safe though, pretty much to the north.E Besides, doesn't FredK live there ? A VMS engineer would NOT put golf > ahead of safe location to live/work in, would he ????? ;-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:48:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S. , Message-ID: <43336CEB.841FF14A@teksavvy.com>   Ken Robinson wrote: H > I sort of wondered why New Orleans was picked during Hurricane Season.  A Sales pitches from convention/tourism bureaus tend to not mention G hurricanes...  And from a risk management point of view if a conference D organiser lives in new england or northern california, he may not beH thinking about hurricanes.  Remember that if you choose your location in2 spring, you don't quite remember hurricane season.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:30:28 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> A Subject: Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S. 0 Message-ID: <11j70sn8rr9j671@corp.supernews.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > H >>Perhaps Fall Symposia are best held either in the Central Plains or on1 >>the West Coast. Preferably, the Central Plains.  >  > E > Perhaps your refineries should not have been located in a hurricane  > prone area :-) >  > B > I think Orlando is pretty safe though, pretty much to the north.G > Besides, doesn't FredK live there ? A VMS engineer would NOT put golf @ > ahead of safe location to live/work in, would he ????? ;-) :-)  # There are no guarantees.  Anywhere.   F I believe it was last year when 3 hurricanes went through Florida.  I @ seem to remember that the Orlando area got it's share of damage.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 01:04:35 -0400 ' From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> A Subject: Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S. 6 Message-ID: <7dd80f605092222045f3b4674@mail.gmail.com>  4 On 9/23/05, Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:G > I believe it was last year when 3 hurricanes went through Florida.  I B > seem to remember that the Orlando area got it's share of damage.  L I believe 4 storms hit Florida last year and two went over the Orlando area= .    Ken    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:52:35 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>0 Subject: Re: Parent procedures and f$environment+ Message-ID: <433351D2.60AB1CCC@comcast.net>    Jeff Cameron wrote:  > 7 > Can anyone help me with this DCL programming request?  > L > F$ENVIRONMENT("PROCEDURE") returns the file specification of the currently, > executing command procedure. That is cool! > H > F$ENVIRONMENT("DEPTH") returns the integer depth of nested DCL command
 > procedures.  > L > Given that your depth is 6, how can you find the file specification of theN > parent calling procedure (level 5), and it's parent (level 4), and on up the > tree to level 1?  A I think that may have been in my DCL wish list from a while back:   0 $ symbol = F$ENVIRONMENT( "PROCEDURE"[, depth] )   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:28:01 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> ' Subject: Proper way to shut down HSZ80? * Message-ID: <ASIYe.4156$eH2.2372@fe02.lga>  7 What's the proper way to shut down an HSZ80 disk array?   9 I assume the servers are shut down first, then the array?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:02:21 -0400 0 From: BRAD <bMradAhamPiltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt>, Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH0 Message-ID: <4bCdnbd_L91aYq_eRVn-tw@comcast.com>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: >  > H > You got to configure the SSH server to allow X11 port forwarding, too.J > For TCPware, it's in SSHD2_CONFIG somewhere. I guess TCP/IP Services hasL > a similar config file (if not the same). It could be on by default, though
 > I doubt it.  >   
 Hi Martin,  I Yes, it seems that the TCPware SSH server needs to be configured, as you    suggest.  I'm trying that now...   --  . Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"@                       "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:26:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH( Message-ID: <opsxitpsfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  7 On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:49:01 +0200, Martin Vorlaender   ! <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote:   H > You got to configure the SSH server to allow X11 port forwarding, too.J > For TCPware, it's in SSHD2_CONFIG somewhere. I guess TCP/IP Services hasG > a similar config file (if not the same). It could be on by default,    > though
 > I doubt it.    What about TCPIP5.4?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:58:55 -0400 0 From: BRAD <bMradAhamPiltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt>, Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH0 Message-ID: <sqGdnZa57daOhq7eRVn-sw@comcast.com>   issinoho wrote: M > Apologies if this is old news but I tried this today as a "I wonder if..."  5 > exercise, and lo-and-behold it worked like a charm.  > I > Alpha sitting at home behind firewall, port-forwarding SSH; PC at work   > behind corporate firewall.L > Fired up eXcursion on PC at work, then started PuTTY & set X11 forwarding $ > 'on' and SSH'd into Alpha at home.M > Typed 'mcr decw$clock' in PuTTY session and ... XClock appears on work PC.  	 > Lovely.   C For those who have it, the Kermit client for Windows also does X11   forwarding.   G Port-forwarding with TCPware is fairly straightforward; just uncomment  J the appropriate entry in tcpware:sshd2_config. and restart the SSH server.   > J > Not only that but all the X applications work seamlessly and very, very  > quickly - even Mozilla.  >   F I'm unable to run Mozilla without running CDE; (decw$startlogin) does 4 someone know of some way to run Mozilla without CDE?   --  . Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"@                       "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"=                       "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job"    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:04:12 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> , Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH4 Message-ID: <dgv67d$qgt$2$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   BRAD wrote:  > Martin Vorlaender wrote: >  >> >>I >> You got to configure the SSH server to allow X11 port forwarding, too. K >> For TCPware, it's in SSHD2_CONFIG somewhere. I guess TCP/IP Services has G >> a similar config file (if not the same). It could be on by default,  	 >> though  >> I doubt it. >> >  > Hi Martin, > K > Yes, it seems that the TCPware SSH server needs to be configured, as you  " > suggest.  I'm trying that now... >   C I didn't need to do anything to the TCPWare SSH server to get this  9 working; if you can SSH in, this should work out the box.    Try, $ mcr decw$startlogin1 You can run an entire CDE session remotely. Cool.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:01:52 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> , Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH4 Message-ID: <dgv631$qgt$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:Z > In article <11j598atd7dtnea@corp.supernews.com>, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> writes: > M >>Apologies if this is old news but I tried this today as a "I wonder if..."  5 >>exercise, and lo-and-behold it worked like a charm.  >>I >>Alpha sitting at home behind firewall, port-forwarding SSH; PC at work   >>behind corporate firewall.L >>Fired up eXcursion on PC at work, then started PuTTY & set X11 forwarding $ >>'on' and SSH'd into Alpha at home.M >>Typed 'mcr decw$clock' in PuTTY session and ... XClock appears on work PC.  	 >>Lovely.  >>J >>Not only that but all the X applications work seamlessly and very, very  >>quickly - even Mozilla.  >>O >>No need for complex 'set display' commands, no need to open X11 ports on any  ' >>firewalls, just SSH and away you go.   >  >  > ... and your point is? >    ... fairly well made, I think.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:31:34 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> , Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH) Message-ID: <UVIYe.4159$eH2.775@fe02.lga>    issinoho wrote: M > Apologies if this is old news but I tried this today as a "I wonder if..."  5 > exercise, and lo-and-behold it worked like a charm.   H FYI: Check your corp policy, opening up that tunnel may be a terminable  offense.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:24:51 -0600 6 From: "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam>B Subject: Re: TCP/IP Config Setting to set Network speed to 100Mbps/ Message-ID: <8yDYe.38$HY3.1389@news.uswest.net>    The default on the Alpha is    SET EWA0_MODE AUTO_DETECT   L This option simply checks the network for a wire and if found, sets the cardJ to 10Mbs/Half-Duplex.  To get the list of commands, enter SET EWA0_MODE /?  
 Mike Ober.  : "Shahin Yaz" <Shahinyaz@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message= news:1127407472.301576.174480@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  > Thanks for your reply. > , > What would the 10Bps setting be ? SLOWHD ? > A > I am still puzzled as to why the alpha / ethernet card does not ) > automatically adjust to the port speed.  > I > So everytime I move an Alpha from a 10Mbps to 100Mbps port I would have  > to do this ? > 3 > Is this nothing to do with the driver installed ?  >  > Thanks again >  > Shahin >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:38:08 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>B Subject: Re: TCP/IP Config Setting to set Network speed to 100Mbps; Message-ID: <knGYe.4106$WV1.4033@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Shahin Yaz wrote:  > Thanks for your reply. > , > What would the 10Bps setting be ? SLOWHD ? > A > I am still puzzled as to why the alpha / ethernet card does not ) > automatically adjust to the port speed.  > I > So everytime I move an Alpha from a 10Mbps to 100Mbps port I would have  > to do this ? > 4 > Is this nothing to do with the driver installed ?   I Updating the Alpha console/driver firmware *might* help as I think there  F have been updates in this area - especially if you have never updated I the firmware since the Alpha was new. I'm guessing it's not brand new if   you are running 7.1-2/UCX 4.2    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:44:59 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> B Subject: Re: TCP/IP Config Setting to set Network speed to 100Mbps> Message-ID: <LtGYe.113785$G8.18000@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  E The more recent Alpha firmware and LAN updates to VMS fix most of the  auto-negotiate issues.H You can have a lot of trouble with auto-negotiation, especially with the cheaper unmanaged switches. B It's a lot safer to use managed devices and set the speed / duplex explicitly.   G SET EWAx_MODE without a valid parameter will usually give you the valid  choices. --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk E It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:59:49 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>B Subject: Re: TCP/IP Config Setting to set Network speed to 100Mbps+ Message-ID: <43335384.F946EB49@comcast.net>    "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:  >  > "Shahin Yaz" <Shahinyaz@blueyonder.co.uk> writes in article <1127403903.577745.209510@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> dated 22 Sep 2005 08:45:03 -0700: F > >Our server was not starting up TCP/IP on VMS 7.1-2 (Old version 4.2E > >which is UCX), and the server was not getting onto the network. We F > >found it was due the speed setting of the Ethernet Port, and it was2 > >resolved when the port was switched to 100Mbps.J > >I thought that VMS (or the Ethernet Card ?) would detect the port speedH > >and align itself. Is there a setting in TCP/IP Config (UCX for 7.1-2)@ > >that forces this setting ? Where and How is this configured ? > F > For the Alpha, you set the speed at the SRM console before you boot.  ' ...or in LANCP afterward, if necessary.    >  The > most common command is:  > ! > >>>SET EWA0_MODE AUTO-NEGOTIATE  > H > which causes the ethernet card EWA0 to determine its speed through the > auto-negotiation process.   F ...although this can produce undesirable results. Some sites prefer toE have at least one end be hard-set (usually the system end). Both ends   hard set would be my preference.  ) > To get a list of candidate devices, use  >  > >>>SHOW *_MODE  . ...at the console or SHOW DEVICE/ALL in LANCP.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:28:29 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1( Message-ID: <opsxizdre1zgicya@hyrrokkin>   Anybody done this?  / SPD says it is supported, so what is the recipe  for installing it?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:04:32 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1+ Message-ID: <433354A0.9D08165C@comcast.net>    Tom Linden wrote:  >  > Anybody done this? > 1 > SPD says it is supported, so what is the recipe  > for installing it?  F Since you're asking, may I assume the the documented procedure failed?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2005 22:12:13 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-13 Message-ID: <qrUTgP9D+0pe@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <433354A0.9D08165C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Tom Linden wrote:  >>   >> Anybody done this?  >>  2 >> SPD says it is supported, so what is the recipe >> for installing it?  > H > Since you're asking, may I assume the the documented procedure failed?  C The kit is compressed, and the older version of VMS does not handle 8 compressed kits (according to what Tom told me earlier).   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Sep 2005 22:30:31 -0700, From: "Cluster-Karl" <karl.rohwedder@gmx.de> Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1B Message-ID: <1127453431.872051.73870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  > If you have a system with a newer VMS version at hand, can can# decompress it using PRODUCT COPY...   
 regards Kalle    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:48:28 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>L Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello,+ Message-ID: <433350DC.75376498@comcast.net>    Dave Froble wrote: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:X > > In article <X9rPqE5LCU+M@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > >  > > F > >>One of your users decides to use $ SPAWN /NOWAIT or otherwise getsH > >>two concurrent threads of execution going in the same job tree.  And5 > >>he runs some of your standard code that uses FOO.  > >>G > >>If those two threads use FOO at the same time, one thread might see 1 > >>the status code produced by the other thread.  > >>0 > >>That's the race condition I'm talking about. > >  > > G > > I believe that is a programming error so grievous that it cannot be  > > called a "race condition". > > A > > One could use global variables safely by qualifying each name > > > with the name of the invoking procedure and making them beE > > process logical names.  Have the invoking procedure pass the name   > > in as a symbol or parameter. > > / > > At that point this discussion becomes moot.  > > I > > A similar discussion has taken place for compiled languages regarding J > > the passing of complex data structures to exception handlers.  At someI > > point the handling of exceptional circumstances becomes top heavy and 7 > > introduces more vulnerabilities than it eliminates.  > H > Lots of details, but to me the basic question is why a /JOB logical isB > used instead of a process local logical?  No connection to otherJ > processes.  I didn't see any requirement for inter-process communication > in prior posts.   @ A DCL proc. can be used in a PIPEline as easily as outside. IN a9 PIPEline, the /PROCESS table disappears with the process.   6 > The idea seems sound.  The implementation is flawed.  D I'm still trying to figure out how get the value of both $STATUS and4 $STATUS_STRING without changing either value. Maybe:  
 $ set noon $ @proc + $ stats = "''$status'""''$status_string'"""   ? ...to get them both at once, and then parse out he result using  F$ELEMENT().  ( Again, to me, seems the long way around.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:39:04 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> L Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello,0 Message-ID: <11j6mrbe3egjuf8@corp.supernews.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:   B > A DCL proc. can be used in a PIPEline as easily as outside. IN a; > PIPEline, the /PROCESS table disappears with the process.    The post didn't mention PIPE.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:20:41 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)4 Subject: Re: Wget 1.10.1a (less preliminary) exists.2 Message-ID: <05092222204148_20248F02@antinode.org>  @    The latest replacement "ftp.c" (linked from the usual page atC "http://antinode.org/dec/sw/wget.html") should fix the problem with < multiple downloads in one session from a TCPware FTP server.  E    With this change it should be easy and convenient to suck down the H whole of, for example, ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/ withE one "wget -r" command.  (And I'm sure that they'd like everyone to do ? exactly that, ideally several times per day.  Or, perhaps not.)     C >    Another interesting bit of FTP server behavior was observed at C > ftp.process.com while investigating the complaint.  Initially, it 7 > reports a VMS identity (and lists files accordingly):  >  > FTP> quote SYST  > 215 VMS TCPware V5.6-2 > = > However, after Wget (or any other user) does its usual "CWD / > <UNIX-like_directory_path>", it changes mode:  >  > FTP> cd vms-freeware/fileserv  > 250 CWD command okay.  >  > FTP> quote SYST ( > 215 UNIX TCPware Unix Emulation V5.6-2 > J >    One result of this is that if Wget tries to do multiple operations inJ > one session on such a server (as when multiple FTP URLs are specified onH > a single command line, or if a recursive download is attempted), it'llG > probably be confused (and fail) after the first one.  Wget checks the D > server type only once, apparently expecting it not to wake up as a > cockroach one morning.  [...]   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.531 ************************