1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 24 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 533       Contents:= Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic?  Re: DELL dumped Itanic? 0 France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC( Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?' How to make a DLT firmware update tape? + Re: How to make a DLT firmware update tape? + Re: How to make a DLT firmware update tape? $ Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasherH Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs.H Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. Re: Kea and VMS  Re: Kea and VMS @ Mozplugger for dummies (was:Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH)8 Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S.8 Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S." Re: Proper way to shut down HSZ80?# Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH # Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH # Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH # Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: Revival of Alpha?  Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1  Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1  Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1 C Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, C Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, " Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32" Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32" Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32" Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32" Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32 UPD: Jetty 5.1.4 for OpenVMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:04:20 -0500 & From: Thomas Wirt <twnews@kittles.com>F Subject: Re: DCL Script to allow self-service killing of user process?E Message-ID: <65ffe$43347be5$4367aba2$13910@msgid.meganewsservers.com>    JF Mezei wrote:   K > I think that having session auto terminate/timeout is the best way to go.  > A > Another way would be to give everyone a job limit of 2, then in I > SYLOGIN.COM add code to check if an existing session already exists, if G > so, then prompt used to kill that older session. If the answer is NO, F > you log them out. If the answer is yes, you kill the old session and4 > then give the use a $ prompt for a normal session.   That's very clever.    --     Thomas Wirt  Operations Manager, IS Dept. Kittle's Home Furnishings  Indianapolis, IN   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:07:48 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?0 Message-ID: <11j8gp82fdtav63@corp.supernews.com>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:H >>Some are trying to claim Dell just don't want to be in the Data CentreH >>market. Dell's response: "A Dell spokesman said the company decided toH >>drop the Itanium systems in order to focus solely on its vision of theD >>"scale-out" data center, where multiple Intel Xeon processor-based? >>servers are linked to create a larger computing environment."  >> >  > C > what scale out data center?  Data centers are trying to scale in! D > Fewer servers mean less cost ... if they really believe that, then1 > I suggest selling Dell stock if you own any ...  >   G Dell doesn't care about your costs, or even if the product works.  All  ? they care about is to sell lots of product.  That goes for all  D manufacturers/sellers.  Some will do more than others to make those ? sales.  Hugh farms of Dell PC toys is in Dell's best interests.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:48:20 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com   Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?- Message-ID: <87slvvhdzv.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:    > JF Mezei wrote:   A >> IA64 is a low volume proprietary chip whose performance, while  >> palatable, is not stellar.   + > Opteron is a low volume proprietary chip.   / Would you care to put a NUMBER on `low volume'?    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:03:21 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>   Subject: Re: DELL dumped Itanic?0 Message-ID: <11j923et0qlom4e@corp.supernews.com>   prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:5 > Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:  >  >  >>JF Mezei wrote:  >  > A >>>IA64 is a low volume proprietary chip whose performance, while  >>>palatable, is not stellar.  >  > + >>Opteron is a low volume proprietary chip.  >  > 1 > Would you care to put a NUMBER on `low volume'?  >   * Thinking about this a bit, I hypothisized:  = Suppose that Alpha was sold in 2 versions, one aimed more at  G workstations and such, and one aimed at servers.  Possibly the on-chip  E SMP glue would be disabled, or flawed, in one version.  Whatever the  G small differences, would VMS types consider them 2 different chips, or  ? basically all Alphas?  Specifically, would Keith consider them   seperately, or together.  G The same concepts would apply to Opteron and Athlon64.  Athlon64 seems  0 to be selling well, though I don't have numbers.  I After that consideration, I'd ask again, "Would you care to put a NUMBER   on 'low volume'?"    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2005 11:14:31 -0700 From: mark_hpq@yahoo.com9 Subject: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs B Message-ID: <1127499271.100223.41150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  0 France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:26 AM ETG OYONNAX, France, Sept 23 (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Dominique de B Villepin maintained pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ.N: Quote,E Profile, Research) on Friday, calling on the U.S. computer company to - rethink its plan to cut 1,240 jobs in France. G The conservative government, under pressure to reduce unemployment from E close to 10 percent, has scheduled a meeting with the firm's European ? head, Francesco Serafini, and referred its job-cut plans to the  European Commission for review.   C Villepin said HP should reimburse any public aid it has received in  France.   E "It is important that public aid is not redirected from its purpose," F Villepin said during a visit to Oyonnax in eastern France, adding that: subsidies were meant to help firms with their national and international strategies.   B "(Firms) cannot pocket aid and then put the key under the door andG leave to develop elsewhere. It's a question of economic patriotism," he  said.   F HP said in July it would axe about 10 percent of its work force to cutG costs by $1.9 billion a year. The world's second-biggest computer maker A has said a total of 2,500 jobs will go in Germany and Britain, in   addition to the 1,240 in France.  C The EU Commission has said it has no power to prevent HP dismissing E workers. But France's conservative government has stepped up rhetoric D over the case this week, making clear it is ready to put up a fight.  C Labour Relations Minister Gerard Larcher is set to meet Serafini on  Monday.   E Villepin is trying to win back voters' confidence after they rejected E the European Union's constitution in a referendum in May. Many French 4 people said they voted "No" because of job concerns.  G Under a policy he calls economic patriotism, Villepin has vowed to take @ a tough line against any moves by firms that are not in France's
 interests.  E The government is also drawing up a list of industries to keep out of  foreign hands.  E It has made clear it wants to stave off any hostile bid for food firm C Danone (DANO.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) since rumours began that F U.S. drinks giant PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) might make a bid.   C "It is time that France equips itself with an appropriate arsenal," A Villepin said in an interview published by Les Echos newspaper on / Friday. "We should compete with equal weapons."        More info : 	 ---------    http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/   http://cftchp.blogspot.com/   q http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh08065_2005-09-23_15-26-04_l23191877_newsml    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:20:46 -0400 * From: "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs 8 Message-ID: <C30Ze.2585$eB3.1893@bignews3.bellsouth.net>  M Hell, after 1945 when AMERICA and the UK, Canada, etc.  bailed France out of  K occupation you would think it would be gracious to an American corporation   such as HP.   J As for the money given by French government, I wonder how many GI's lives  were taken protecting France.   L After all, if it wasn't for our Grandfathers/Fathers, the Prime Minister of / France would be the UnterFuhrer von Frankreich.   L And maybe Pepsico, which seems to be profitable, could wake up the flailing ? Danone Milk Company and cut some corporate garlic ridden fat...    Geez these French !    ;0)    DT          & <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message < news:1127499271.100223.41150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...2 > France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs > Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:26 AM ETI > OYONNAX, France, Sept 23 (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Dominique de D > Villepin maintained pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ.N: Quote,G > Profile, Research) on Friday, calling on the U.S. computer company to / > rethink its plan to cut 1,240 jobs in France. I > The conservative government, under pressure to reduce unemployment from G > close to 10 percent, has scheduled a meeting with the firm's European A > head, Francesco Serafini, and referred its job-cut plans to the ! > European Commission for review.  > E > Villepin said HP should reimburse any public aid it has received in 	 > France.  > G > "It is important that public aid is not redirected from its purpose," H > Villepin said during a visit to Oyonnax in eastern France, adding that< > subsidies were meant to help firms with their national and > international strategies.  > D > "(Firms) cannot pocket aid and then put the key under the door andI > leave to develop elsewhere. It's a question of economic patriotism," he  > said.  > H > HP said in July it would axe about 10 percent of its work force to cutI > costs by $1.9 billion a year. The world's second-biggest computer maker C > has said a total of 2,500 jobs will go in Germany and Britain, in " > addition to the 1,240 in France. > E > The EU Commission has said it has no power to prevent HP dismissing G > workers. But France's conservative government has stepped up rhetoric F > over the case this week, making clear it is ready to put up a fight. > E > Labour Relations Minister Gerard Larcher is set to meet Serafini on 	 > Monday.  > G > Villepin is trying to win back voters' confidence after they rejected G > the European Union's constitution in a referendum in May. Many French 6 > people said they voted "No" because of job concerns. > I > Under a policy he calls economic patriotism, Villepin has vowed to take B > a tough line against any moves by firms that are not in France's > interests. > G > The government is also drawing up a list of industries to keep out of  > foreign hands. > G > It has made clear it wants to stave off any hostile bid for food firm E > Danone (DANO.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) since rumours began that H > U.S. drinks giant PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) might
 > make a bid.  > E > "It is time that France equips itself with an appropriate arsenal," C > Villepin said in an interview published by Les Echos newspaper on 1 > Friday. "We should compete with equal weapons."  >  >  > 
 > More info :  > ---------  >  > http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/ >  > http://cftchp.blogspot.com/  > s > http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh08065_2005-09-23_15-26-04_l23191877_newsml  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:24:24 -0700 % From: "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs 1 Message-ID: <tqidnSOYT686E6neRVn-oA@giganews.com>    d b turner wrote: A > Hell, after 1945 when AMERICA and the UK, Canada, etc.  bailed   > France? > out of occupation you would think it would be gracious to an  
 > American > corporation such as HP.  > E > As for the money given by French government, I wonder how many GI's % > lives were taken protecting France.  > A > After all, if it wasn't for our Grandfathers/Fathers, the Prime = > Minister of France would be the UnterFuhrer von Frankreich.  > D > And maybe Pepsico, which seems to be profitable, could wake up theC > flailing Danone Milk Company and cut some corporate garlic ridden  > fat... > Geez these French !  >  > ;0)  >  > DT >  >  >  >  > ' > <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1127499271.100223.41150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...3 >> France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs  >> Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:26 AM ET > >> OYONNAX, France, Sept 23 (Reuters) - French Prime Minister  >> DominiqueB >> de Villepin maintained pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ.N: 	 >> Quote, F >> Profile, Research) on Friday, calling on the U.S. computer company  >> to 0 >> rethink its plan to cut 1,240 jobs in France.E >> The conservative government, under pressure to reduce unemployment D >> from close to 10 percent, has scheduled a meeting with the firm'sE >> European head, Francesco Serafini, and referred its job-cut plans   >> to & >> the European Commission for review. >>F >> Villepin said HP should reimburse any public aid it has received in
 >> France. >>? >> "It is important that public aid is not redirected from its   >> purpose,"D >> Villepin said during a visit to Oyonnax in eastern France, addingB >> that subsidies were meant to help firms with their national and >> international strategies. >>E >> "(Firms) cannot pocket aid and then put the key under the door and ; >> leave to develop elsewhere. It's a question of economic   >> patriotism,"  >> he said.  >>E >> HP said in July it would axe about 10 percent of its work force to ? >> cut costs by $1.9 billion a year. The world's second-biggest D >> computer maker has said a total of 2,500 jobs will go in Germany  >> and/ >> Britain, in addition to the 1,240 in France.  >>F >> The EU Commission has said it has no power to prevent HP dismissing@ >> workers. But France's conservative government has stepped up  >> rhetoric A >> over the case this week, making clear it is ready to put up a  	 >> fight.  >>F >> Labour Relations Minister Gerard Larcher is set to meet Serafini on
 >> Monday. >>@ >> Villepin is trying to win back voters' confidence after they  >> rejected B >> the European Union's constitution in a referendum in May. Many 	 >> French 7 >> people said they voted "No" because of job concerns.  >>E >> Under a policy he calls economic patriotism, Villepin has vowed to @ >> take a tough line against any moves by firms that are not in  >> France's 
 >> interests.  >>F >> The government is also drawing up a list of industries to keep out  >> of  >> foreign hands.  >>D >> It has made clear it wants to stave off any hostile bid for food  >> firm F >> Danone (DANO.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) since rumours began thatC >> U.S. drinks giant PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N: Quote, Profile, Research)  >> might make a bid. >>F >> "It is time that France equips itself with an appropriate arsenal,"D >> Villepin said in an interview published by Les Echos newspaper on2 >> Friday. "We should compete with equal weapons." >> >> >> >> More info : >> --------- >> >> http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/  >> >> http://cftchp.blogspot.com/ >>t >> http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh08065_2005-09-23_15-26-04_l23191877_newsml   shh    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:30:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs , Message-ID: <43349E2D.BEC076FA@teksavvy.com>   mark_hpq@yahoo.com wrote: I > OYONNAX, France, Sept 23 (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Dominique de D > Villepin maintained pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ.N: Quote,G > Profile, Research) on Friday, calling on the U.S. computer company to / > rethink its plan to cut 1,240 jobs in France.     H HP needs to thread carefully here. It is no longer just an issue of jobsF and subsidies, but now, public image may/will affect sales. If HP cutsC the jobs, you can expect the government of france to stop buying HP B equipment and perhaps go with IBM or whoever generate more jobs in France than HP.     C Back in the Digital days, Digital decided to build a large facility H north of the ottawa river in Qubec. Why ? Because with such a facility,H it was now able to bid for lucrative government contracts. So they had aB large call centre as well as PC repair facility in Hull. With thatH presence, they were able to get many contracts, including a major one toH replace IBM minframes with Tru64 on Alphas... a contract signed a couple of months before June 25 2001.  H Despite the policital aspect of site selecyion in Qubec, the centre was very efficient and profitable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:53:34 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs = Message-ID: <J7CdncosI_UyIqneRVn-vQ@metrocastcablevision.com>    d b turner wrote: O > Hell, after 1945 when AMERICA and the UK, Canada, etc.  bailed France out of  M > occupation you would think it would be gracious to an American corporation  
 > such as HP.   H A lot more likely than that Americans like you will cease being morons,  anyway.   H The French thanked us more than adequately for returning the favor they A had done for us in helping us eliminate God Save The King as our  I national anthem.  Though that has very little to do with their relations  ) with a multinational corporation like HP.    > L > As for the money given by French government, I wonder how many GI's lives  > were taken protecting France.   E Funny - I don't recall *any* GI's lives being sacrificed to 'protect  G France':  as best I can remember, we didn't even *enter* the war until  D December, 1941 - long after Germany invaded France, the French were E largely on their own during the German onslaught (though England was  F starting to mobilize at the time), and only long afterward did others G take any effective action to try to reverse that (not specifically for  E France, of course:  it was a matter of self-interest to keep Germany  G from extending its dominion to England and eventually across the ocean   to us).    > N > After all, if it wasn't for our Grandfathers/Fathers, the Prime Minister of 1 > France would be the UnterFuhrer von Frankreich.   F Or quite possibly of the French Soviet Socialist Republic, had we not H stepped in to meet the Russians half-way.  As I noted, our actions were C very much in what we perceived to be our *own* self-interest (see,  F again, the fact that we weren't even involved until we ourselves were A attacked, and even then didn't declare war on Germany until they  D declared war on us) - though, as I also noted, the French were (and G remain) truly grateful for the fact that our actions happened to be in   their interests as well.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:12:54 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>= Subject: Re: freeware openVMS plugin for Microsoft Virtual PC + Message-ID: <4334A816.210548C8@comcast.net>    Mister Scary wrote:  >  > > L > > Or get a perfectly legal copy from anybody who has it already. Where are > > you located? > >  > > S  >  > Melbourne, FL.   How close is that to Orlando?   G Barring any further weather-related issues, I'll be down there the week ; of 17-Oct. Let me know what you need - I'll bring it along.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:42:01 +0100 6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>1 Subject: Re: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79? 5 Message-ID: <433484b9$0$3556$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>   8 RE: How much did IBM pay to not do EV79?"O'Brien Paddy" 1 <Paddy.O'Brien@transgrid.com.au> wrote in message R news:8BAD914A0B8CA84C9E94187103A1AB9E05BEAA@EX-TG2-PR.corporate.transgrid.local... <Large mime snip>  > D >DECset has not been changed for a while (but less than the others).   <SNIP>  2 > but there is still no work seemingly being done.  : There is work being done and it has changed very recently.  H Rather than speculating (or even making statements as a matter of fact) 3 incorrectly, I suggest you look at the VMS Roadmap.   [ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps_files/openvms_roadmaps_notes.pdf   % Page 46 shows the roadmap for DECset.   L >My latest is 12.5, how did it get to 12.7?  Possibly a cosmetic change for  >IA64 somewhere along the line.   , V12.6 was indeed to add support for Itanium.  I V12.7 was released for all three architectures, and support for HTML and   Java was added in LSE.  L The roadmap even mentions HP are gathering customer requirements for V12.8, 6 I suggest you provide them directly your requirements.   Alex     ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:13:43 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)0 Subject: How to make a DLT firmware update tape?2 Message-ID: <05092317134301_20248F02@antinode.org>  G    Does anyone have a (kitchen-tested) recipe for making a DLT firmware I update tape on VMS (from a firmware image file downloaded from Quantum)?  A The drive is a DLT4000.  The instructions at the Quantum Web site F suggest using a block size of 4K (which I think I can handle) and "dd"E or "ltf" (which seem to be missing for some reason), but even then it  was pretty vague.   H    My first guess (mount /foreign, copy) didn't leave the drive with theF right lights on, so I assume that there was some problem or other with the tape I made.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:06:06 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>4 Subject: Re: How to make a DLT firmware update tape?+ Message-ID: <4334B48E.99238DA5@comcast.net>    "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: > I >    Does anyone have a (kitchen-tested) recipe for making a DLT firmware J > update tape on VMS (from a firmware image file downloaded from Quantum)?C > The drive is a DLT4000.  The instructions at the Quantum Web site H > suggest using a block size of 4K (which I think I can handle) and "dd"G > or "ltf" (which seem to be missing for some reason), but even then it  > was pretty vague.  > J >    My first guess (mount /foreign, copy) didn't leave the drive with theH > right lights on, so I assume that there was some problem or other with > the tape I made.  G Does "leave the drive with the right lights on" mean the update appears  to have failed?   G MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=4096 should do it, AFAIK, but thinking it over just H now, maybe you'd also need to make a copy of the firmware file (keep the2 original safe, of course) and do this to the copy:  + $ SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM=FIX,LRL=4096) filespec   6 ...so COPY gets it right when you dub it over to tape.   ...just a thought...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:44:10 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)4 Subject: Re: How to make a DLT firmware update tape?2 Message-ID: <05092321441000_202499B7@antinode.org>  2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  I > Does "leave the drive with the right lights on" mean the update appears  > to have failed?   #    As I read the instructions, yes.   I > MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=4096 should do it, AFAIK, but thinking it over just J > now, maybe you'd also need to make a copy of the firmware file (keep the4 > original safe, of course) and do this to the copy: > - > $ SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM=FIX,LRL=4096) filespec  > 8 > ...so COPY gets it right when you dub it over to tape.      That way:  9 ALP $ copy ALP$DKA0:[SMS.DLT]V151D4_1_4K.IMG _ALP$MKB400: B %COPY-E-READERR, error reading ALP$DKA0:[SMS.DLT]V151D4_1_4K.IMG;18 -RMS-W-RTB, 4096 byte record too large for user's bufferK %COPY-W-NOTCMPLT, ALP$DKA0:[SMS.DLT]V151D4_1_4K.IMG;1 not completely copied   4    The complete (apparently defective) sequence was:  7            [-- allowed --] [-------- required --------] F INITIALIZE /DENSITY = TK87 /MEDIA_FORMAT = NOCOMPACTION MKB400: V151D4  G       [From the manual, one set of parameters is: Tape Format = DLTtape B       III, Density = 10.0 GB, Upgrade Tape Block = 4 Kbytes Only. G       (Lower densities allow "4 Kbytes Multiple".)  "The tape has to be        uncompressed."]   , MOUNT /NOASSIST /BLOCKSIZE = 4096 /FOREIGN -%  /MEDIA_FORMAT = NOCOMPACTION MKB400:    COPY V151D4_1.IMG _ALP$MKB400:  E Then, follow the magic button-pushing and tape loading instructions.  E The drive moves the tape for a while, but fails to leave the drive in B the state described as appropriate after a successful load.  Also,C SYS$ETC:SCSI_INFO.EXE shows no change in the magic firmware version  byte.   A    The image file was downloaded using CSWB, and so has fixed-512 F records.  DUMP from the foreign-mounted tape compares nicely with DUMPD from the file.  When in use, SHOW DEVICE /FULL says, "Default bufferH size  4096".  One of the manuals says, "The image file should be exactlyF 1152*512 bytes in size.", and it seems to be.  So, either the firmwareG image is bad or the tape is bad or the drive is worse than it looks, or ' I'm somehow bad (which seems unlikely).   :    The drive does seem to work properly using BACKUP, too.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:51:07 +0100 6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>- Subject: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher 4 Message-ID: <433486dc$0$930$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>  E "David B Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message  $ news:4330F293.1000100@bigpond.com...1 > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER mentioned in passing: M >> In article <1127201666.517030.266730@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Bart  % >> Zorn" <bartzorn@yahoo.com> writes:  >> >>>Thanks! I found it. >> >>* >> Keep in mind that V1.7-11 is current... >>< >> http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/cswb/ >> > A > I just downloaded the kit (twice) but it appears to be corrupt. , > Has anyone sucessfully installed this kit? >   L V1.7-11 works fine for me on AXP and I64, did you uncompress the kit before  trying to install it?    Can you post the exact error?    Alex     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:33:57 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Q Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. + Message-ID: <4334AD05.B6581BEE@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote: K > > Remember: these companies have had the same obligations all along. They J > > just chose to procrastinate them. Now we see pension funds underfundedL > > to the tune of billions of dollars, companies facing hurdles they set inL > > their own paths and now find insurmountable, and all the other "wages of	 > > sin".  > F > The difference is that with a non union company such as HP, they canB > come in tomorrow and change retirememt plans before it becomes a > bankrupcy issue.  B Read: "They can do as they damned well please and to hell with the- people who made it possible (the employees)."   6 > With unionised companies, unions refuse to let go of= > acquired benefits unless the company is visibly bankrupted.   F Now, swing your pendulum back the other way, but this time stop in the( middle. Before proceeding, see this URL:  / http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?negotiate   D > Air Canada, during its bankrupcy had a rescue plan from a group ofJ > investors. The plan called for pilots to agree to a defined contributionA > plan (from a defined benefits). That was a requirement from the G > potential investors. The union refused, investors pulled away the day + > after, with liquidation being very close.  >  > In the end, the union's bluff   9 ..., you mean "determination to see justice done", right?   & > worked and new investors came in and( > pilots were asked to give up far less.  C ...which just goes to prove that company was trying to "pull a fast H one": They thought that by pleading poor the bargaining agent would backH down and let them have more than would have been a fair "give back". TheB union said, "like hell you will!" and the company had to submit to8 reason and fairness, and had to honor their commitments.  @ See, like it or else, employees are as much a company's businessG partners as their investors, vendors and others. Employees invest their G time and effort. They are repaid with their wages and benefits. This is D no different form a financial investor who lends money by purchasingE securities (read: "shares of stock") and is repaid with a dividend or  increased value of that stock.  C Screw your parnters and, in the end, you're only screwing yourself.   G The great "robber barons" of the early 20th century - Carnegie, and his D ilk, etc. - are noted for their legacies. What is often forgotten isB that they built that legacy - and their fortunes - on the backs of> low-paid immigrant workers (our fore-fathers) who toiled underH deplorable conditions for rates of pay that today (in the U.S.) would beH considered criminal. Their names and legacy may remain, but their infamy lives on as well.   D > Defined benefits plans were setup with certain assumptions for theD > future. When those assumptions changed, those plans were no longerG > viable.  When that happens, the employert either has to dish out mega H > money to fill the gaps left by the underperforming fund, or change the> > pension plan so that the employer doesn't have to make extraH > contribution when investment returns are below actuarial expectations.  > Well, be careful there: you're assuming that the companies are< fulfilling their obligations regarding those funds. On-goingH investigations are proving time and again that such is not - and was notB - the case. Even the U.S. Social Security fund has been sacked and plundered by the greedy.  H When business proves it can be trusted to do the right thing, then thereE will be no need for labor to organize to protect its interests. Until E that time, the unions, the lawyers and even the U.S. Congress (not to A mention the Justice Department) will be there to enforce the law.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:18:08 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> Q Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. ( Message-ID: <Oz3Ze.6859$845.16@fe03.lga>   David J Dachtera wrote: J > When business proves it can be trusted to do the right thing, then thereA > will be no need for labor to organize to protect its interests.   G I guess that's one way to explain the demise of labor unions in the US.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:32:38 GMT , From: "Jack Peacock" <jakbird@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Kea and VMS? Message-ID: <aTXYe.2440$oc.99@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>   @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:433352D7.9DF9CA99@comcast.net...  > contracer11@gmail.com wrote: >>G >> I'm using Kea for VAX emulator to access our VAX/VMS system. Can you A >> tell me how ( in a procedure) can I get default background and H >> foreground color ? I need create a procedure to get default FG and BG >> KEA's color.  > H > Not quite sure what you're up to there since screen colors in terminalD > programs tend to be a matter of personal preference, due mostly to" > biological and ergonomic issues. > J I assume the original poster is looking for an ESC sequence to return the J current color settings.  I just checked the KEA VT420 (v5.10) ESC strings D for Terminal Reports, doesn't appear to be one that retrieves color M settings.  Since the VT420 didn't support color I wouldn't expect a terminal  D reports for it.   Was there a VT240/340 terminal reports string for  retrieving colors?   Jack Peacock     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:40:55 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Kea and VMS+ Message-ID: <4334AEA7.721955F5@comcast.net>    Jack Peacock wrote:  > A > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message ' > news:433352D7.9DF9CA99@comcast.net...   > > contracer11@gmail.com wrote: > >>I > >> I'm using Kea for VAX emulator to access our VAX/VMS system. Can you C > >> tell me how ( in a procedure) can I get default background and J > >> foreground color ? I need create a procedure to get default FG and BG > >> KEA's color.  > > J > > Not quite sure what you're up to there since screen colors in terminalF > > programs tend to be a matter of personal preference, due mostly to$ > > biological and ergonomic issues. > > K > I assume the original poster is looking for an ESC sequence to return the K > current color settings.  I just checked the KEA VT420 (v5.10) ESC strings E > for Terminal Reports, doesn't appear to be one that retrieves color N > settings.  Since the VT420 didn't support color I wouldn't expect a terminalE > reports for it.   Was there a VT240/340 terminal reports string for  > retrieving colors?  F Maybe try the WRQ website for documentation on Reflection/4, now knownD as "Reflection for ReGIS Graphics". Maybe that will have more escape) sequences for returning color attributes.   H Note also that when last I looked, KEA did not support smooth-scroll and@ some other VT functions (I forget which now). Reflection is more	 complete.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:32:13 -0400 0 From: BRAD <bMradAhamPiltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt>I Subject: Mozplugger for dummies (was:Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH) 0 Message-ID: <iO2dnYPgQK49ManeRVn-ig@comcast.com>   Doc. wrote: 5 > BRAD <bMradAhamPiltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt> wrote in + > news:ofqdnVgzK50qlaneRVn-iA@comcast.com:   >  > F >>Turns out my problem may be related to my Mozilla installation; I'm H >>going to install the latest and greatest later on this weekend, and be2 >>careful to install Mozplugger correctly.     :-) >  > G > Brad, we'll all be expecting an installation report, and a "get this   > going" for Dummies report. >    As requested - 	:-)   B Looks like a failure to install Mozplugger correctly, rather than  Mozilla itself:   3 1.	Mozplugger plug-in (documentation located here): 4 <http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/extra/mozplugger.html>E 2.	OpenVMS Porting library already installed on my system (doc here): = <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/porting.html> H 3.	Mozplugger software already installed and Mozpluggerrc file still in F "proper" location (sys$common:[cswb]).  Created a logical to point to E the directory, made sure that the file protection was w:re.  Defined  F dcl$path to my sys$login:, and copied mozplugger.exe to my sys$login:.D 4.	Voila!  No more "error" messages.  Added mozpluggerrc logical to 5 sylogicals.com, and dcl$path logical to my login.com.   I So I neglected to create the logicals necessary to the proper running of  E Mozplugger.  Oops, thought I did that already.	:-(  I hope the above  % "dummies" instructions may be useful.      --  . Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"@                       "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:57:06 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>A Subject: Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S. + Message-ID: <4334B272.9AA1FBFF@comcast.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Ken Robinson wrote: J > > I sort of wondered why New Orleans was picked during Hurricane Season. > C > Sales pitches from convention/tourism bureaus tend to not mention I > hurricanes...  And from a risk management point of view if a conference F > organiser lives in new england or northern california, he may not beJ > thinking about hurricanes.  Remember that if you choose your location in4 > spring, you don't quite remember hurricane season.  E Competency issue. By that thinking, Californians would be unlikely to F consider that Minnesota in February is not a good place to hold a road rally.  F A planner worth his/her salt will make it his/her business to find out& about such things as seasonal issues.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2005 19:51:44 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>A Subject: Re: OT: Fall Symposia Not Recommended for Southeast U.S. B Message-ID: <1127530304.727564.32030@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Ken Robinson wrote: J > > I sort of wondered why New Orleans was picked during Hurricane Season. > C > Sales pitches from convention/tourism bureaus tend to not mention I > hurricanes...  And from a risk management point of view if a conference F > organiser lives in new england or northern california, he may not beJ > thinking about hurricanes.  Remember that if you choose your location in4 > spring, you don't quite remember hurricane season.  - Yeah, it's easy to criticize after the event.   ? Hurricane activity has picked up considerably since 1995 and is < expected to remain high for the next 15 years or so (source:D wunderground.com). Still, many years have gone by without hurricanes@ hitting the Gulf Coast. And even in active years, you don't haveF hurricanes striking the same place every week during hurricane season.E And you ceratinly don't have anything like Katrina very often at all. ( And a hurricane doesn't last all season.  D I will admit that this is the peak of the Atlantic hurricane season.E But even so, if the convention were scheduled for about the same time G in any year from 2004 thru 1989 and many years before that, there would D have been *no* hurricane. So I attribute this mischeduling to reallyC bad luck. Most of the time, in fact, the vast majority of the time, ; even in September, there is no hurricane in any given spot.   ? I'm sure many, many events have been scheduled in NO during the 2 hurricane season without mishap due to hurricanes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:35:52 -0700  From: Z <Z@no.spam> + Subject: Re: Proper way to shut down HSZ80? ) Message-ID: <HGZYe.2626$L45.564@fe07.lga>    Alan Greig wrote: : >> What's the proper way to shut down an HSZ80 disk array?< >> I assume the servers are shut down first, then the array?  A > With respect read the manuals and then post back your proposed  D > procedures for shutdown. Are you even aware of shutdown commands, I > internal battery backup etc? How long are you going to be down for? Do  J > you have dual redundancy controllers, dual power etc? By servers do you A > mean servers as in Alphaservers or as in the HSZ80s themselves.  > E > My immediate response to your question is don't even go near HSZ80  K > controllers if you don't have a basic idea what you are doing! Maybe you  C > do but your question is way too vague to make me feel happy. You  F > probably don't want to have to ask how you start them up again in a  > later message either :-)  C D'Oh ... forgot about the batteries ... thanks for the memory kick.   4 I'm all set now, I found the CLI manual for the HSZ.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:49:52 +0100 # From: issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> , Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH4 Message-ID: <dh1ioc$4n4$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>   BRAD wrote:  > issinoho wrote:  >  >> BRAD wrote: >  > <snip> > J >>> I'm unable to run Mozilla without running CDE; (decw$startlogin) does 8 >>> someone know of some way to run Mozilla without CDE? >>>  >>  >> @SYS$COMMON:[CSWB]MOZILLA.COM >>) >> That works fine for me outside of CDE.  >  > D > I get a message which tells me that Mozilla is unable to find the 7 > plug-in library; works fine from the CDE "interface".  >   L I get that message also, but it eventually does bring up the Mozilla window.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:14:23 -0400 0 From: BRAD <bMradAhamPiltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt>, Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH0 Message-ID: <0dadndyfOea__6neRVn-jg@comcast.com>   issinoho wrote: 
 > BRAD wrote:  <snip>E >> I get a message which tells me that Mozilla is unable to find the  8 >> plug-in library; works fine from the CDE "interface". >> > G > I get that message also, but it eventually does bring up the Mozilla  	 > window.   I It does work now - I was a little impatient earlier.  I'm still going to   "upgrade" to the latest.  G Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.  I will admit, it's  H _much_ easier to do all this on my wife's iBook - no separate X Windows C manager needed, and therefore, no finagling with eXcursion, or SSH   clients like puTTY or Kermit.   A BTW - does WRQ provide this (client) functionality?  Last time I  F checked, (version 9) SSH was not provided (except as an add-on, for a 5 fee?).  It was supposed to be provided in version 10.    --  . Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"@                       "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"=                       "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 02:53:17 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender), Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH; Message-ID: <433351fd.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   $ issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote:
 > BRAD wrote:  >> Martin Vorlaender wrote: J >>> You got to configure the SSH server to allow X11 port forwarding, too.0 >>> For TCPware, it's in SSHD2_CONFIG somewhere. >>  L >> Yes, it seems that the TCPware SSH server needs to be configured, as you # >> suggest.  I'm trying that now...  > E > I didn't need to do anything to the TCPWare SSH server to get this  ; > working; if you can SSH in, this should work out the box.   M Indeed, the default for 'AllowX11Forwarding' in SSH2_DIR:SSHD2_CONFIG is 'Y'.    cu,    Martin --  C                              | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! 6   Microsoft isn't the Borg:  | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deI   the Borg have proper       |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ =   networking.                | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:16:04 -0400 0 From: BRAD <bMradAhamPiltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt>, Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH0 Message-ID: <yrudnW_1R5F6K6neRVn-rg@comcast.com>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:& > issinoho <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote: > 
 >>BRAD wrote:  >> >>>Martin Vorlaender wrote:  >>> J >>>>You got to configure the SSH server to allow X11 port forwarding, too.0 >>>>For TCPware, it's in SSHD2_CONFIG somewhere. >>> L >>>Yes, it seems that the TCPware SSH server needs to be configured, as you # >>>suggest.  I'm trying that now...  >>E >>I didn't need to do anything to the TCPWare SSH server to get this  ; >>working; if you can SSH in, this should work out the box.  >  > O > Indeed, the default for 'AllowX11Forwarding' in SSH2_DIR:SSHD2_CONFIG is 'Y'.  >   ( Puzzling - on my system, the line reads:  + #       AllowX11Forwarding              yes   G Note the leading "#"; I had to remove this character, and stop/restart  G the SSH Daemon, before X11 forwarding would work properly.  It did not   work before this modification.  : Perhaps I'm wrong - can someone from Process confirm/deny?   --  . Bradford J. Hamilton "All opinions are my own"@                       "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' with @"=                       "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:52:34 -0600  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>  Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?8 Message-ID: <1127519487_10701@spool6-east.superfeed.net>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:   > I have just a sinple question. > M > What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha processor. 5 > Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing? M > Does anyone think that maybe there is still some secret development ongoing , > (maybe near a black helicopter base! ;0) ) > 8 > We,as you know sell quite a few Alpha systems for VMS. > > > I have been asked 3 - I repeat 3 times if we can get Itanium* > equipment.Mostly for budgetory purposes. >  > That worries me... > K > Most people I have asked are not migrating any time soon (with not even a & > glimmer of an idea when) to Itanium. > Worrying to say the least... >   = Is VMS getting many new customers? Without that, you are only   selling to a shrinking audience.  9 Selling a VMS based system is very hard any more, because : nobody seems to have ever heard of it. They always want to7 know if it runs on Windows, or you might get a slightly > more knowledgable person who wants to know if it is compatible6 with Linux. I have some clients who call their VAX the= "kermit" system, because that is what they use to talk to it. : (I've given up trying to correct them, it's just not worth, the effort of going through that every week)  7 Then there is the licensing costs. You can buy a lot of 7 PC hardware for just what the VMS licenses cost, if you 8 can even get them. From the last quote I got, some years8 ago, I could buy several Windows boxes (with OS) for the8 price of a one-user license upgrade. And you end up with something that you can touch.   6 I once tried to get UCX for a MicroVax 3100, and after5 a very large number of phone calls (starting with the / Compaq number from their VMS web page, and then 2 being passed from number to number to number ...),8 was quoted $5000 per user. When I tried to call back and7 confirm, the person who gave the quote no longer worked . there, and nobody else even knew what VMS was.8 Several other attempts were an even more dismal failure,5 usually involving numerous "does that run on windows" 
 questions.  : I shudder just thinking about setting up a new VMS system,7 after all the problems I had in the past.  Even if they 7 aren't trying to scare away customers, they are doing a  very good job at it.  O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups K ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:49:19 +0100 6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk> Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?6 Message-ID: <4334b09f$0$22097$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  - "Kevin Handy" <kth@srv.net> wrote in message  2 news:1127519487_10701@spool6-east.superfeed.net... <SNIP> >They always want to > know if it runs on Windows,   # Yes it can with SIMH, TS10, Charon.    >or you might get a slightly@ > more knowledgable person who wants to know if it is compatible
 > with Linux.   6 Yes it can run on linux with at least SIMH and Charon.  G Or what do they mean by compatable? Interchange data, network with, of   course.   , > I have some clients who call their VAX the? > "kermit" system, because that is what they use to talk to it. < > (I've given up trying to correct them, it's just not worth. > the effort of going through that every week)  L I have a client who's users call all their VMS systems, VMS, as that's what  the icons say.  K The users also call the single linux box they have "Snake Oil", but that's  D just because they think it's rubbish, and they overheard one of the M technical people say it when he was slating it, then it kinda spread around,   like wildfire.  I <Snip, about expensive UCX licenses, $5000k per user, cheap windows, etc>   M If you find the TCO of running windows better than VMS, and it's reliablity,  I clustering, security, patching requirements etc are good enough for you,   then get that.  H However you'll be pleased to know the licences for the most current VMS > offering are somewhat cheaper, than your $5K per seat for UCX.  K That'll be for a package (FOE) that includes VMS (unlimited user), DECnet,  C Motif, TCP/IP Services (unlimited user), X500 Directory Server etc.   < > I shudder just thinking about setting up a new VMS system,+ > after all the problems I had in the past.   K You've referred a couple of times to 'VAX', have you even installed VMS on   an AXP or I64 box?  M I certainly don't think it's any more difficult than installing linux (which  I you appear to be running/posting from), and installing it on VAX is only   marginally more so.    Alex     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:46:26 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1+ Message-ID: <4334AFF1.6AE4E5AA@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <433354A0.9D08165C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Tom Linden wrote:  > >> > >> Anybody done this?  > >>4 > >> SPD says it is supported, so what is the recipe > >> for installing it?  > > J > > Since you're asking, may I assume the the documented procedure failed? > 5 > The kit is compressed, and the older version of VMS   
 ...PCSI...   > does not handle : > compressed kits (according to what Tom told me earlier).    Yeah - seen that myself at work.  ? There is a mandatory ECO for that (new version of PCSI) that is G typically required by (read: "prerequisite to") the newer ECOs and some " newer product update/distro. kits.  B So, again: may I assume that the documented procedure failed? (TheC "documented procedure" should include some mention of updating PCSI G first, then attempting to install the kit. If not, the documentation is * indeed deficient and unworthy of OpenVMS.)   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:52:32 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1+ Message-ID: <4334B15F.5ADC594C@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > [ > In article <43339f9a_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net>, "Roger Fraser" <rfraser3@csc.com> writes:  > > > > > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message1 > > news:qrUTgP9D+0pe@eisner.encompasserve.org... A > >> In article <433354A0.9D08165C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera ( > >> <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > >>> Tom Linden wrote:  > >>>> > >>>> Anybody done this?  > >>>>6 > >>>> SPD says it is supported, so what is the recipe > >>>> for installing it?  > >>> L > >>> Since you're asking, may I assume the the documented procedure failed? > >>H > >> The kit is compressed, and the older version of VMS does not handle= > >> compressed kits (according to what Tom told me earlier).  > > ( > > Apply patch VMS731_PCSI-V0200 first. > = > I am sure Tom appreciates that advice.  In fact he probably = > would have preferred the TCPIP release notes had said that.  > > > > It is rated as INSTALL_1 and so should  be applied anyway! > $ > But that is not necessarily true.   # That contradicts the documentation.    > Remember that Tom is in the  > software business.    H All the more reason to keep his - and his clients' - systems current, orG as current as possible given that some third-party software holds sites  back on VMS upgrades..  - > If the subject machine is used for testing, = > it would not be good if he inadvertently got into a mode of @ > expecting himself that V7.3-1 could accept compressed kits (or; > in any other fashion).  Software developers can generally A > depend on the upward compatibility of VMS, but not the downward  > compatibility.  D Agreed. .PCSI kits should installable on even the oldest versions of= PCSI. To expect that of .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits is not logical.   1 >  Thus applying a patch should be done only with > > extreme caution, including possibly requiring that their own% > customers run with the same patch.    G ...which they'll have to be doing anyway so that newer ECOs and product 0 updates/distro.'s can be installed successfully.   > That may be trivial for a @ > product like a database which is the reason someone bought theC > machine, but it is harder with a utility product like a compiler.    Non capisco.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:46:52 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1+ Message-ID: <4334B00C.1EBACE46@comcast.net>    Cluster-Karl wrote:  > ( > If you have a system with a newer VMS   
 ...PCSI...   > version at hand, can can% > decompress it using PRODUCT COPY...  >  > regards Kalle      --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:34:56 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>L Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello,+ Message-ID: <4334AD3F.472D9F7C@comcast.net>    Dave Froble wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > D > > A DCL proc. can be used in a PIPEline as easily as outside. IN a= > > PIPEline, the /PROCESS table disappears with the process.  >  > The post didn't mention PIPE.   G ...but didn't preclude it, either. Do we really want a solution that is   limited in where it can be used?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:37:18 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>L Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello,+ Message-ID: <4334ADCE.252FB23D@comcast.net>    Doug Phillips wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > H > > I'm still trying to figure out how get the value of both $STATUS and8 > > $STATUS_STRING without changing either value. Maybe: > >  > > $ set noon > > $ @proc / > > $ stats = "''$status'""''$status_string'"""  > > C > > ...to get them both at once, and then parse out he result using  > > F$ELEMENT(). > > , > > Again, to me, seems the long way around. > C > I read the OP to mean that $status_string is only to be set by an F > *explicit* $EXIT and, unlike $status, wouldn't change until the next! > $EXIT. I can see uses for that.   E ...as can I; however, that creates an inconsistency, and the value of E $STATUS_STRING would never be reliable: was it's current value set by G the previous proc.? ... or did that that one bomb out and leave a value  from a prior proc.?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:28:25 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com+ Subject: Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32 Q Message-ID: <OF7B7B0FD3.057691C8-ON85257085.00654C3E-85257085.00657A8D@metso.com>   I koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote on 09/23/2005  01:13:11 PM:  E > In article <1127484784.887672.321190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, & > "Art" <art.george@gmail.com> writes:D > > Does anyone know of the existance of any tool that is capable ofH > > translating VAX object files back to the equivalent Macro-32 code. IJ > > have a bunch of object libraries (the source code has vanished) that IH > > would like to move to my Alpha. If I could have the equivalent MacroG > > code at least I could recompile the Macro code for the Alpha and be G > > able to use the routines there. Any assistance that can be provided  > > would be much appreciated. > I >    There was a dissasembler once upon a time.  It worked on .exe files, D >    so you'ld need to create a "main" routine that references everyG >    object in the library, and link it.  You can get the names in each E >    object (and just reference them all) with librarian/list/names .  > 8 ISTM that if he could do that, he could then use "VEST".E I'd guess he has independent modules in libraries and proper link.com  files.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:48:30 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com+ Subject: Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32 Q Message-ID: <OF3BA2FD60.65365178-ON85257085.006749F2-85257085.0067516A@metso.com>   I koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote on 09/23/2005  01:13:11 PM:  E > In article <1127484784.887672.321190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, & > "Art" <art.george@gmail.com> writes:D > > Does anyone know of the existance of any tool that is capable ofH > > translating VAX object files back to the equivalent Macro-32 code. IJ > > have a bunch of object libraries (the source code has vanished) that IH > > would like to move to my Alpha. If I could have the equivalent MacroG > > code at least I could recompile the Macro code for the Alpha and be G > > able to use the routines there. Any assistance that can be provided  > > would be much appreciated. > I >    There was a dissasembler once upon a time.  It worked on .exe files, D >    so you'ld need to create a "main" routine that references everyG >    object in the library, and link it.  You can get the names in each E >    object (and just reference them all) with librarian/list/names .  > 8 ISTM that if he could do that, he could then use "VEST".E I'd guess he has independent modules in libraries and proper link.com  files.   That should have been: and no proper link.com files. 
 of course.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:16:07 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>+ Subject: Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32 , Message-ID: <43342A47.828.60AC806@localhost>  B How about creating a shareable image (RTL) of the routines?  Each = routine can be individually callable.  Then run VEST on that.   E Unless your routines contain privileged code, you can then use it on  2 the Alpha without any trouble.  Or even Itanium...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2005 16:14:10 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32 3 Message-ID: <WUuoCUf4wHWX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <1127489633.871742.75640@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Art" <art.george@gmail.com> writes: H > DECmigrate or VEST will not work in this case. I have Object files, asD > output from the various compilers, not executables. VEST will onlyG > translate executables, as far as I know. I have tried using my VAX to I > link the objects into an executable that I could translate only to find I > that there are too many name conflicts between the object libraries and F > the system RTLs to build a viable shareable executable. If I can getB > back to the Macro-32 code then at least I can eliminate the nameH > conflicts and get to a translateable shareable executable. By the way,H > there is no requirement for ever changing this code, in case anyone is > wondering.  E    You may be able to tell the linker not to pick up the system RTLs.   D    IIRC PATCH had an object file mode (or am I remembering RSX?), so5    maybe you could change the names prior to linking.   C    Do you have any idea how the name conflicts were resolved in the C    past (I assume you have an application somewhere that uses these     objects)?  C    Maybe an analyze/image of an application that uses these objects G    would tell you which names (and therefor objects) you actually need  @    or give you ideas about how the name conflicts were resolved.  ?    If the appplications were not linked /nodebug, then starting E    them via run/debug, setting all modules, and the examining symbols     may help.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:22:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Translating VAX ts to Macro-32 , Message-ID: <43349C2D.EC402BC6@teksavvy.com>  
 Art wrote: > B > Does anyone know of the existance of any tool that is capable ofD > translating VAX object files back to the equivalent Macro-32 code.  E There was a DECUS utility to disassemble object or .exe.  DISM32 if I E recall. If you can't find it, let me know, I have it on my all mighty 9 microvax II. It doesn't necessarily produce working code.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Sep 2005 15:02:31 -0700 From: thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr% Subject: UPD: Jetty 5.1.4 for OpenVMS B Message-ID: <1127512951.759619.62590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   Hello,  ( I have built a pcsi kit for Jetty 5.1.4. It can be downloaded at 1 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/thierry.uso/jetty-en.html   E If you have DECram, redirecting sys$scratch towards a RAMdisk greatly % improves performance (see start.com).     Thierry Uso.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.533 ************************