1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 24 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 534       Contents:4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs+ Re: How to make a DLT firmware update tape? $ Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasherH Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. Re: Revival of Alpha?  RE: Revival of Alpha?  RE: Revival of Alpha? + Semi-OT: eXcursion Server in Startup Group?  Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1  Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:57:56 -0700  From: Frank <fb@notspam.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs . Message-ID: <CV5Ze.13215$GQ4.12013@fed1read05>   d b turner wrote:   O > Hell, after 1945 when AMERICA and the UK, Canada, etc.  bailed France out of  M > occupation you would think it would be gracious to an American corporation  
 > such as HP.  > L > As for the money given by French government, I wonder how many GI's lives  > were taken protecting France.  > N > After all, if it wasn't for our Grandfathers/Fathers, the Prime Minister of 1 > France would be the UnterFuhrer von Frankreich.  > N > And maybe Pepsico, which seems to be profitable, could wake up the flailing A > Danone Milk Company and cut some corporate garlic ridden fat...  >  > Geez these French !  >  > ;0)  >  > DT >  >  >  >  > ( > <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1127499271.100223.41150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > 2 >>France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs >>Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:26 AM ETI >>OYONNAX, France, Sept 23 (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Dominique de D >>Villepin maintained pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ.N: Quote,G >>Profile, Research) on Friday, calling on the U.S. computer company to / >>rethink its plan to cut 1,240 jobs in France. I >>The conservative government, under pressure to reduce unemployment from G >>close to 10 percent, has scheduled a meeting with the firm's European A >>head, Francesco Serafini, and referred its job-cut plans to the ! >>European Commission for review.  >>E >>Villepin said HP should reimburse any public aid it has received in 	 >>France.  >>G >>"It is important that public aid is not redirected from its purpose," H >>Villepin said during a visit to Oyonnax in eastern France, adding that< >>subsidies were meant to help firms with their national and >>international strategies.  >>D >>"(Firms) cannot pocket aid and then put the key under the door andI >>leave to develop elsewhere. It's a question of economic patriotism," he  >>said.  >>H >>HP said in July it would axe about 10 percent of its work force to cutI >>costs by $1.9 billion a year. The world's second-biggest computer maker C >>has said a total of 2,500 jobs will go in Germany and Britain, in " >>addition to the 1,240 in France. >>E >>The EU Commission has said it has no power to prevent HP dismissing G >>workers. But France's conservative government has stepped up rhetoric F >>over the case this week, making clear it is ready to put up a fight. >>E >>Labour Relations Minister Gerard Larcher is set to meet Serafini on 	 >>Monday.  >>G >>Villepin is trying to win back voters' confidence after they rejected G >>the European Union's constitution in a referendum in May. Many French 6 >>people said they voted "No" because of job concerns. >>I >>Under a policy he calls economic patriotism, Villepin has vowed to take B >>a tough line against any moves by firms that are not in France's >>interests. >>G >>The government is also drawing up a list of industries to keep out of  >>foreign hands. >>G >>It has made clear it wants to stave off any hostile bid for food firm E >>Danone (DANO.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) since rumours began that H >>U.S. drinks giant PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) might
 >>make a bid.  >>E >>"It is time that France equips itself with an appropriate arsenal," C >>Villepin said in an interview published by Les Echos newspaper on 1 >>Friday. "We should compete with equal weapons."  >> >> >>
 >>More info :  >>---------  >> >>http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/ >> >>http://cftchp.blogspot.com/  >>s >>http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh08065_2005-09-23_15-26-04_l23191877_newsml  >> >  >  > H You need only to go to France and personally find out just how grateful E to Americans they still are for helping to liberate their country in  H WWII. The bullshit we hear over here about France doesn't translate the  same over there. Frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:19:22 -0700 8 From: "Adam Russell" <adamrussell@sbcglobal.net.invalid>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs + Message-ID: <3pk90nF79hstU1@individual.net>   ) "Web" <web@nowhere.com> wrote in message  2 news:cM4Ze.56194$32.29437@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...8 > "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote in message 4 > news:C30Ze.2585$eB3.1893@bignews3.bellsouth.net... > L >> After all, if it wasn't for our Grandfathers/Fathers, the Prime Minister 5 >> of France would be the UnterFuhrer von Frankreich.  > M > The French are probably saying the same thing about how they bailed us out   > from the British throne.  J If it werent for the French, America would probably be speaking english..    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:27:48 +0200 + From: "Michel HERRSCHER" <mhc@herrscher.fr> = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs 6 Message-ID: <4334fff4$0$5367$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>  5 Hello, (from France, must I say it while murmuring ?)    [ Excuse my poor English ]   Dans un message Frank disait :   > d b turner wrote:  >  >>@ > You need only to go to France and personally find out just howD > grateful to Americans they still are for helping to liberate theirF > country in WWII. The bullshit we hear over here about France doesn't  > translate the same over there. > Frank     2 Thanks Frank to put the things on the right place.  L The things are that subside to company are said to create jobs, but here up M to now, the company hunts this subside and when got, say it is not the right  . place and move  elswhere to get more subsides.  K The French Goverment, for the first time, says what the people think.  I'm  H sorry for HP ( as I am a Vax MIS since 1978) but this may happen to any  other Inter'l Co  : Friendly Regards from France to the VAX-AlphA-IT community --   Michel HERRSCHER     ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2005 01:37:21 -0700( From: "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs C Message-ID: <1127551041.194112.230470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   K > If it werent for the French, America would probably be speaking english..   F We can not be held accountable for keeping the integrity of a language@ intact when a nation decides to colonize before a state approved dictionary was created.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:37:28 -0400 * From: "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs 8 Message-ID: <jObZe.2652$0c3.1403@bignews5.bellsouth.net>  L I was in France about 4 weeks ago - beautiful along the midi-pyrenees - but K the people were the rudest, most unfriendly people - and I speak French so   they hasve no excuse.  8 (I am a Brit -mum is French Dad Brit - I live in GA USA.    6 Even the food has gotten lame since my last trip in 98I And for those that are blinkered about the Frenchman's animosity towards  % their saviours - it's all bloody true 2 Theyt hate the British and theyt detest Americans.  L And for those who want to bring up the American War of Indepence - that was : 1776~ the French revolution was only 13~ years afterwards.J The pre-revolution French are not to be compared with the Republican Frogs   DT    * "Frank" <fb@notspam.com> wrote in message ( news:CV5Ze.13215$GQ4.12013@fed1read05... >d b turner wrote: > M >> Hell, after 1945 when AMERICA and the UK, Canada, etc.  bailed France out  E >> of occupation you would think it would be gracious to an American   >> corporation such as HP. >>M >> As for the money given by French government, I wonder how many GI's lives    >> were taken protecting France. >>L >> After all, if it wasn't for our Grandfathers/Fathers, the Prime Minister 5 >> of France would be the UnterFuhrer von Frankreich.  >>F >> And maybe Pepsico, which seems to be profitable, could wake up the K >> flailing Danone Milk Company and cut some corporate garlic ridden fat...  >> >> Geez these French ! >> >> ;0) >> >> DT  >> >> >> >> >>) >> <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message  ? >> news:1127499271.100223.41150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...  >>3 >>>France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs  >>>Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:26 AM ET J >>>OYONNAX, France, Sept 23 (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Dominique deE >>>Villepin maintained pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ.N: Quote, H >>>Profile, Research) on Friday, calling on the U.S. computer company to0 >>>rethink its plan to cut 1,240 jobs in France.J >>>The conservative government, under pressure to reduce unemployment fromH >>>close to 10 percent, has scheduled a meeting with the firm's EuropeanB >>>head, Francesco Serafini, and referred its job-cut plans to the" >>>European Commission for review. >>> F >>>Villepin said HP should reimburse any public aid it has received in
 >>>France. >>> H >>>"It is important that public aid is not redirected from its purpose,"I >>>Villepin said during a visit to Oyonnax in eastern France, adding that = >>>subsidies were meant to help firms with their national and  >>>international strategies. >>> E >>>"(Firms) cannot pocket aid and then put the key under the door and J >>>leave to develop elsewhere. It's a question of economic patriotism," he >>>said. >>> I >>>HP said in July it would axe about 10 percent of its work force to cut J >>>costs by $1.9 billion a year. The world's second-biggest computer makerD >>>has said a total of 2,500 jobs will go in Germany and Britain, in# >>>addition to the 1,240 in France.  >>> F >>>The EU Commission has said it has no power to prevent HP dismissingH >>>workers. But France's conservative government has stepped up rhetoricG >>>over the case this week, making clear it is ready to put up a fight.  >>> F >>>Labour Relations Minister Gerard Larcher is set to meet Serafini on
 >>>Monday. >>> H >>>Villepin is trying to win back voters' confidence after they rejectedH >>>the European Union's constitution in a referendum in May. Many French7 >>>people said they voted "No" because of job concerns.  >>> J >>>Under a policy he calls economic patriotism, Villepin has vowed to takeC >>>a tough line against any moves by firms that are not in France's 
 >>>interests.  >>> H >>>The government is also drawing up a list of industries to keep out of >>>foreign hands.  >>> H >>>It has made clear it wants to stave off any hostile bid for food firmF >>>Danone (DANO.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) since rumours began thatI >>>U.S. drinks giant PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) might  >>>make a bid. >>> F >>>"It is time that France equips itself with an appropriate arsenal,"D >>>Villepin said in an interview published by Les Echos newspaper on2 >>>Friday. "We should compete with equal weapons." >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>More info : >>>--------- >>>  >>>http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/  >>>  >>>http://cftchp.blogspot.com/ >>> t >>>http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh08065_2005-09-23_15-26-04_l23191877_newsml >>>  >> >> >>M > You need only to go to France and personally find out just how grateful to  J > Americans they still are for helping to liberate their country in WWII. I > The bullshit we hear over here about France doesn't translate the same  
 > over there.  > Frank    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2005 07:18:09 -0700 From: mark_hpq@yahoo.com= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs C Message-ID: <1127571489.556263.180570@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    d b turner wrote: M > I was in France about 4 weeks ago - beautiful along the midi-pyrenees - but L > the people were the rudest, most unfriendly people - and I speak French so > they > hasve no excuse. > : > (I am a Brit -mum is French Dad Brit - I live in GA USA. >  > 8 > Even the food has gotten lame since my last trip in 98J > And for those that are blinkered about the Frenchman's animosity towards' > their saviours - it's all bloody true 4 > Theyt hate the British and theyt detest Americans.      B This thread has nothing to do with your racism against the French.  > The truth is that HP is showing the same lack of real strategy
 in the US.  : Our US HP friends are also laid off because of the current4 trends of brilliant strategists backed up by no less0 brilliant stock analysts who have no other ideas to try to help the stock price.   ' No doing a substraction is not a vision  nor a strategy.     * One difference though : French laws permit( a strike whereas it is almost impossible within HP in the US.  ' When a company claims all the time that / Ethic is important to it and that its employees / are its best asset, it should not be authorized , to lay off while increasing at the same time its profits and distributing" millions of $ to its top managers.   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2005 07:37:53 -0700 From: mark_hpq@yahoo.com= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs C Message-ID: <1127572673.032008.162350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    We Are All French  :  g http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05092309.htm?logvisit=y&source=estmarhln001999&npu=y    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2005 07:41:25 -0700 From: mark_hpq@yahoo.com= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs C Message-ID: <1127572885.219476.181200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    This may explain the strategy :     C 04/01/2005 MARK V HURD Chief Executive Officer 400,000 HPQ Award of  Stock *** Undefined Type ***      Other HP insiders transactions :  R http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/insiders.asp?symb=HPQ&sid=2385&siteid=mktw   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:14:17 -0500 ' From: Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs + Message-ID: <e3eZe.13057$L45.8879@fe07.lga>    d b turner wrote: N > I was in France about 4 weeks ago - beautiful along the midi-pyrenees - but M > the people were the rudest, most unfriendly people - and I speak French so   > they > hasve no excuse. > : > (I am a Brit -mum is French Dad Brit - I live in GA USA. >  > 8 > Even the food has gotten lame since my last trip in 98K > And for those that are blinkered about the Frenchman's animosity towards  ' > their saviours - it's all bloody true 4 > Theyt hate the British and theyt detest Americans. > N > And for those who want to bring up the American War of Indepence - that was < > 1776~ the French revolution was only 13~ years afterwards.L > The pre-revolution French are not to be compared with the Republican Frogs >  > DT >  > , > "Frank" <fb@notspam.com> wrote in message * > news:CV5Ze.13215$GQ4.12013@fed1read05... >> d b turner wrote: >>N >>> Hell, after 1945 when AMERICA and the UK, Canada, etc.  bailed France out F >>> of occupation you would think it would be gracious to an American  >>> corporation such as HP.  >>> N >>> As for the money given by French government, I wonder how many GI's lives ! >>> were taken protecting France.  >>> M >>> After all, if it wasn't for our Grandfathers/Fathers, the Prime Minister  6 >>> of France would be the UnterFuhrer von Frankreich. >>> G >>> And maybe Pepsico, which seems to be profitable, could wake up the  L >>> flailing Danone Milk Company and cut some corporate garlic ridden fat... >>>  >>> Geez these French !  >>>  >>> ;0)  >>>  >>> DT >>>  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>> * >>> <mark_hpq@yahoo.com> wrote in message @ >>> news:1127499271.100223.41150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> 5 >>>> France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs ! >>>> Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:26 AM ET L >>>> OYONNAX, France, Sept 23 (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Dominique deG >>>> Villepin maintained pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ.N: Quote, J >>>> Profile, Research) on Friday, calling on the U.S. computer company to2 >>>> rethink its plan to cut 1,240 jobs in France.L >>>> The conservative government, under pressure to reduce unemployment fromJ >>>> close to 10 percent, has scheduled a meeting with the firm's EuropeanD >>>> head, Francesco Serafini, and referred its job-cut plans to the$ >>>> European Commission for review. >>>>H >>>> Villepin said HP should reimburse any public aid it has received in >>>> France. >>>>J >>>> "It is important that public aid is not redirected from its purpose,"K >>>> Villepin said during a visit to Oyonnax in eastern France, adding that ? >>>> subsidies were meant to help firms with their national and  >>>> international strategies. >>>>G >>>> "(Firms) cannot pocket aid and then put the key under the door and L >>>> leave to develop elsewhere. It's a question of economic patriotism," he
 >>>> said. >>>>K >>>> HP said in July it would axe about 10 percent of its work force to cut L >>>> costs by $1.9 billion a year. The world's second-biggest computer makerF >>>> has said a total of 2,500 jobs will go in Germany and Britain, in% >>>> addition to the 1,240 in France.  >>>>H >>>> The EU Commission has said it has no power to prevent HP dismissingJ >>>> workers. But France's conservative government has stepped up rhetoricI >>>> over the case this week, making clear it is ready to put up a fight.  >>>>H >>>> Labour Relations Minister Gerard Larcher is set to meet Serafini on >>>> Monday. >>>>J >>>> Villepin is trying to win back voters' confidence after they rejectedJ >>>> the European Union's constitution in a referendum in May. Many French9 >>>> people said they voted "No" because of job concerns.  >>>>L >>>> Under a policy he calls economic patriotism, Villepin has vowed to takeE >>>> a tough line against any moves by firms that are not in France's  >>>> interests.  >>>>J >>>> The government is also drawing up a list of industries to keep out of >>>> foreign hands.  >>>>J >>>> It has made clear it wants to stave off any hostile bid for food firmH >>>> Danone (DANO.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) since rumours began thatK >>>> U.S. drinks giant PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) might  >>>> make a bid. >>>>H >>>> "It is time that France equips itself with an appropriate arsenal,"F >>>> Villepin said in an interview published by Les Echos newspaper on4 >>>> Friday. "We should compete with equal weapons." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> More info : >>>> --------- >>>> >>>> http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/  >>>>  >>>> http://cftchp.blogspot.com/ >>>>v >>>> http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh08065_2005-09-23_15-26-04_l23191877_newsml >>>> >>>  >>> N >> You need only to go to France and personally find out just how grateful to K >> Americans they still are for helping to liberate their country in WWII.  J >> The bullshit we hear over here about France doesn't translate the same  >> over there.	 >> Frank   >  > F Well, given the lack of support from France in recent times, the next G time their Gallic butts need to be pulled from the fire, I say we toss  < them 5 gallons of gasoline and tell them to have a nice day.     --    Ron Hunter  rphunter@charter.net   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2005 15:31:49 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs + Message-ID: <3pl9r5FavhimU1@individual.net>   , In article <r4eZe.13058$L45.10075@fe07.lga>,* 	Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> writes: > mark_hpq@yahoo.com wrote:  >> d b turner wrote:O >>> I was in France about 4 weeks ago - beautiful along the midi-pyrenees - but N >>> the people were the rudest, most unfriendly people - and I speak French so >>> they >>> hasve no excuse. >>> < >>> (I am a Brit -mum is French Dad Brit - I live in GA USA. >>>  >>> : >>> Even the food has gotten lame since my last trip in 98L >>> And for those that are blinkered about the Frenchman's animosity towards) >>> their saviours - it's all bloody true 6 >>> Theyt hate the British and theyt detest Americans. >>   >>   >>  E >> This thread has nothing to do with your racism against the French.  >>  A >> The truth is that HP is showing the same lack of real strategy 
 >> in the US.  >>  = >> Our US HP friends are also laid off because of the current 7 >> trends of brilliant strategists backed up by no less 3 >> brilliant stock analysts who have no other ideas " >> to try to help the stock price. >>  * >> No doing a substraction is not a vision >> nor a strategy. >>   >>  - >> One difference though : French laws permit + >> a strike whereas it is almost impossible  >> within HP in the US.  >>  * >> When a company claims all the time that2 >> Ethic is important to it and that its employees2 >> are its best asset, it should not be authorized/ >> to lay off while increasing at the same time  >> its profits and distributing % >> millions of $ to its top managers.  >>  H > The wisdom of laying off employees to improve the bottom line, aside, G > the thing that amazes me is that people somehow think a company OWES  - > them a job.  WHERE did this idea come from?    
 Karl Marx.   bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:10:02 -0500 ' From: Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs + Message-ID: <e%dZe.13056$L45.1269@fe07.lga>    zakezuke wrote: L >> If it werent for the French, America would probably be speaking english.. > H > We can not be held accountable for keeping the integrity of a languageB > intact when a nation decides to colonize before a state approved > dictionary was created.  > F English is quite open to taking words from other languages and making I them a part of common usage.  It is a living, growing language, which is  E probably what makes it so pervasive.  French, on the other hand, (at  G least on the part of France) seeks to kill their language by making it  B unchanging.  That is why Latin is used for medical terms, and for A religious terms because it is 'dead', and not subject to change.  I Strange that France can't see that limiting a language's growth means it   dies.      --    Ron Hunter  rphunter@charter.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:36:30 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>4 Subject: Re: How to make a DLT firmware update tape?* Message-ID: <4335808E.F880FCC@comcast.net>   "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: > 4 > From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> > K > > Does "leave the drive with the right lights on" mean the update appears  > > to have failed?  > % >    As I read the instructions, yes.  > K > > MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=4096 should do it, AFAIK, but thinking it over just L > > now, maybe you'd also need to make a copy of the firmware file (keep the6 > > original safe, of course) and do this to the copy: > > / > > $ SET FILE/ATTR=(RFM=FIX,LRL=4096) filespec  > > : > > ...so COPY gets it right when you dub it over to tape. >  >    That way: > ; > ALP $ copy ALP$DKA0:[SMS.DLT]V151D4_1_4K.IMG _ALP$MKB400: D > %COPY-E-READERR, error reading ALP$DKA0:[SMS.DLT]V151D4_1_4K.IMG;1: > -RMS-W-RTB, 4096 byte record too large for user's bufferM > %COPY-W-NOTCMPLT, ALP$DKA0:[SMS.DLT]V151D4_1_4K.IMG;1 not completely copied  > 6 >    The complete (apparently defective) sequence was: > 9 >            [-- allowed --] [-------- required --------] H > INITIALIZE /DENSITY = TK87 /MEDIA_FORMAT = NOCOMPACTION MKB400: V151D4 > I >       [From the manual, one set of parameters is: Tape Format = DLTtape C >       III, Density = 10.0 GB, Upgrade Tape Block = 4 Kbytes Only. I >       (Lower densities allow "4 Kbytes Multiple".)  "The tape has to be  >       uncompressed."]  > . > MOUNT /NOASSIST /BLOCKSIZE = 4096 /FOREIGN -' >  /MEDIA_FORMAT = NOCOMPACTION MKB400:  >   > COPY V151D4_1.IMG _ALP$MKB400: > F > Then, follow the magic button-pushing and tape loading instructions.G > The drive moves the tape for a while, but fails to leave the drive in D > the state described as appropriate after a successful load.  Also,E > SYS$ETC:SCSI_INFO.EXE shows no change in the magic firmware version  > byte.  > C >    The image file was downloaded using CSWB, and so has fixed-512 H > records.  DUMP from the foreign-mounted tape compares nicely with DUMPF > from the file.  When in use, SHOW DEVICE /FULL says, "Default bufferJ > size  4096".  One of the manuals says, "The image file should be exactlyH > 1152*512 bytes in size.", and it seems to be.  So, either the firmwareI > image is bad or the tape is bad or the drive is worse than it looks, or ) > I'm somehow bad (which seems unlikely).  > < >    The drive does seem to work properly using BACKUP, too.  ( Puzzling. Just tried this here (V7.2-2):  2 DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ copy nla0: test.dat/alloc=20480F %COPY-S-COPIED, NLA0: copied to DKA0:[DDACHTERA]TEST.DAT;2 (0 records)( DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ set file/end test.dat< DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ set file/attr=(rfm=fix,lrl=4096) test.dat& DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ copy test.dat nla0:@ %COPY-S-COPIED, DKA0:[DDACHTERA]TEST.DAT;2 copied to NLA0: (2560 records) DJAS01::DDACHTERA$     Dunno...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:15:14 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> - Subject: Re: HP SWB V1.7.8 consistent crasher * Message-ID: <4334FD02.3080100@bigpond.com>  " Alex Daniels was overheard to say:G > "David B Sneddon - bigpond" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message  & > news:4330F293.1000100@bigpond.com... >>A >>I just downloaded the kit (twice) but it appears to be corrupt. , >>Has anyone sucessfully installed this kit? >> >  > N > V1.7-11 works fine for me on AXP and I64, did you uncompress the kit before  > trying to install it?   > That is where the problem was.  The GTK and OPL kits extractedA with no apparent problem, but the CSWB kit could not be extracted  due to an error. >  > Can you post the exact error?   + Not any more.  I deleted the corrupt files.  >  > Alex    @ I finally did the download using Firefox on my iBook then copied it to the VMS box.> It is now installed and the only issue I have is that the Junk! Mail stuff is broken again... :-(    Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:23:02 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Q Subject: Re: HP will have to give back 1.25 M EUR help that it got to createjobs. + Message-ID: <43357D66.D504756D@comcast.net>    Z wrote: >  > David J Dachtera wrote: L > > When business proves it can be trusted to do the right thing, then thereC > > will be no need for labor to organize to protect its interests.  > I > I guess that's one way to explain the demise of labor unions in the US.   G Non capisco. Are you saying that business in the U.S. *CAN* be trusted? & Ever heard of "Enron"? ..."Tyco"? ...?   Try again...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:41:30 -0400 * From: "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com> Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha?8 Message-ID: <kObZe.2653$0c3.1138@bignews5.bellsouth.net>  I I couldn't say new customers, even though when we sell licensed machines  # most of them are now OpenVMS boxes.   K I actually thought we did more Tru64 boxen but after looking at the amount  J we have apid in OpenVMS license purchases, the costs speak for them selves  M Probably, of the 100+ systems we shipped last month, 60 were OpenVMS, and 30   of those were licensed systems. 6 The others were OpenVMS Hobbyists and spares companies   DT        - "Kevin Handy" <kth@srv.net> wrote in message  2 news:1127519487_10701@spool6-east.superfeed.net.../ > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: ! >> I have just a sinple question.  >>D >> What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the Alpha 
 >> processor. 6 >> Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing?G >> Does anyone think that maybe there is still some secret development  
 >> ongoing- >> (maybe near a black helicopter base! ;0) )  >>9 >> We,as you know sell quite a few Alpha systems for VMS.  >>? >> I have been asked 3 - I repeat 3 times if we can get Itanium + >> equipment.Mostly for budgetory purposes.  >> >> That worries me...  >>L >> Most people I have asked are not migrating any time soon (with not even a' >> glimmer of an idea when) to Itanium.  >> Worrying to say the least...  >> > ? > Is VMS getting many new customers? Without that, you are only " > selling to a shrinking audience. > ; > Selling a VMS based system is very hard any more, because < > nobody seems to have ever heard of it. They always want to9 > know if it runs on Windows, or you might get a slightly @ > more knowledgable person who wants to know if it is compatible8 > with Linux. I have some clients who call their VAX the? > "kermit" system, because that is what they use to talk to it. < > (I've given up trying to correct them, it's just not worth. > the effort of going through that every week) > 9 > Then there is the licensing costs. You can buy a lot of 9 > PC hardware for just what the VMS licenses cost, if you : > can even get them. From the last quote I got, some years: > ago, I could buy several Windows boxes (with OS) for the: > price of a one-user license upgrade. And you end up with > something that you can touch.  > 8 > I once tried to get UCX for a MicroVax 3100, and after7 > a very large number of phone calls (starting with the 1 > Compaq number from their VMS web page, and then 4 > being passed from number to number to number ...),: > was quoted $5000 per user. When I tried to call back and9 > confirm, the person who gave the quote no longer worked 0 > there, and nobody else even knew what VMS was.: > Several other attempts were an even more dismal failure,7 > usually involving numerous "does that run on windows"  > questions. > < > I shudder just thinking about setting up a new VMS system,9 > after all the problems I had in the past.  Even if they 9 > aren't trying to scare away customers, they are doing a  > very good job at it. > G > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet   > News==----K > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+   > NewsgroupsH > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption  > =----    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:16:56 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Revival of Alpha?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70BE55@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: Kevin Handy [mailto:kth@srv.net]=20 " > Sent: September 23, 2005 7:53 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: Re: Revival of Alpha? >=20/ > David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote: " > > I have just a sinple question. > >=20A > > What would it take for HP/Compaq and Intel to rekindle the=20  > Alpha processor.7 > > Does anyone think that it would now be worth doing? > > > Does anyone think that maybe there is still some secret=20 > development ongoing . > > (maybe near a black helicopter base! ;0) ) > >=20: > > We,as you know sell quite a few Alpha systems for VMS. > >=20@ > > I have been asked 3 - I repeat 3 times if we can get Itanium, > > equipment.Mostly for budgetory purposes. > >=20 > > That worries me... > >=20? > > Most people I have asked are not migrating any time soon=20  > (with not even a( > > glimmer of an idea when) to Itanium.  > > Worrying to say the least... > >=20 >=20? > Is VMS getting many new customers? Without that, you are only " > selling to a shrinking audience. >=20  H Check out the ISV's who have announced recently that they are porting to OpenVMS on Itanium. 9 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/integrity/partners.html   > [Think they would be doing this without doing their homework?]  @ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html (some recent Cust
 testimonials]   @ Geez, a virus free server solution that does not require monthly= security patching like Windows and Linux.. What a concept!=20   @ (Even though Windows security issues are well known, Red Hat hasH released over 215 Linux *security* patches since Jan of this year alone] Ref:G https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/ (click on thread  for each month & add them up)   H [Btw - the issues with monthly security patches is not the deployment orH reboot time, but rather the QA/testing of these before they are released to production]  G And if you think folks are not looking at multi-site (100km is emerging F as new minimum distance), active-active solutions with zero data loss,E then you are certainly not talking to the med-large businesses that I  have been talking to.=20   >=209 > Then there is the licensing costs. You can buy a lot of 9 > PC hardware for just what the VMS licenses cost, if you : > can even get them. From the last quote I got, some years: > ago, I could buy several Windows boxes (with OS) for the: > price of a one-user license upgrade. And you end up with > something that you can touch.  >=20  E Mmm.. Windows Server Enterprise starts at around $5K/server. Then add E anti-virus utility + batch utility + backup utility and you will find * the difference is way less that you think.  8 > I once tried to get UCX for a MicroVax 3100, and after7 > a very large number of phone calls (starting with the 1 > Compaq number from their VMS web page, and then 4 > being passed from number to number to number ...),: > was quoted $5000 per user. When I tried to call back and9 > confirm, the person who gave the quote no longer worked 0 > there, and nobody else even knew what VMS was.: > Several other attempts were an even more dismal failure,7 > usually involving numerous "does that run on windows"  > questions. >=20< > I shudder just thinking about setting up a new VMS system,9 > after all the problems I had in the past.  Even if they 9 > aren't trying to scare away customers, they are doing a  > very good job at it. >=20  F So you are speaking of your experience of about 15 years ago (microvaxG timeframe). And you think this qualifies you to describe OpenVMS today?    ROTFL ..  D [did you even know base OpenVMS Integrity license includes unlimited users?]    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:26:19 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com>  Subject: RE: Revival of Alpha?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70BE56@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message----- > From: Main, Kerry=20" > Sent: September 24, 2005 1:17 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: RE: Revival of Alpha? >=20 >=20  G Oops, url in the attached on OpenVMS partners porting to Itanium should 
 have been:< http://h71000.www7.hp.com/solutions/matrix/i64partner_A.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:03:53 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>4 Subject: Semi-OT: eXcursion Server in Startup Group?+ Message-ID: <433586F9.5D20F944@comcast.net>   * O.k. Here's sort of an off-the-wall query:  9 I'm wanting to do some more work on further developing an H install-from-CD distro. of Samba V2.8-2. I'd like to be able to run SWATH so I can provide a more usable config file template. That means I need X7 on the PC to run SWAT (the little Alpha is "headless").   D Does anyone know of a way to add the eXcursion Server to the WindowsH Startup group such that it does not bring up the XDMCP Chooser? Is thereD a command line option I can add to the PIF setup for the entry in he Startup group?  ) I've got W/98SE and W2K PCs here, FWIW...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Sep 2005 06:01:49 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-13 Message-ID: <ZpnmB3ygKaHB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <4334B15F.5ADC594C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:   >> Remember that Tom is in the >> software business.  > J > All the more reason to keep his - and his clients' - systems current, orI > as current as possible given that some third-party software holds sites  > back on VMS upgrades.. > . >> If the subject machine is used for testing,> >> it would not be good if he inadvertently got into a mode ofA >> expecting himself that V7.3-1 could accept compressed kits (or < >> in any other fashion).  Software developers can generallyB >> depend on the upward compatibility of VMS, but not the downward >> compatibility.  > F > Agreed. .PCSI kits should installable on even the oldest versions of? > PCSI. To expect that of .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits is not logical.  > 2 >>  Thus applying a patch should be done only with? >> extreme caution, including possibly requiring that their own & >> customers run with the same patch.  > I > ...which they'll have to be doing anyway so that newer ECOs and product 2 > updates/distro.'s can be installed successfully.  ? You vastly overestimate the interest of the average customer in / following suggestions from third party vendors.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:26:47 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1+ Message-ID: <43357E47.A4FB9033@comcast.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <4334B15F.5ADC594C@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >   > >> Remember that Tom is in the > >> software business.  > > L > > All the more reason to keep his - and his clients' - systems current, orK > > as current as possible given that some third-party software holds sites  > > back on VMS upgrades.. > > 0 > >> If the subject machine is used for testing,@ > >> it would not be good if he inadvertently got into a mode ofC > >> expecting himself that V7.3-1 could accept compressed kits (or > > >> in any other fashion).  Software developers can generallyD > >> depend on the upward compatibility of VMS, but not the downward > >> compatibility.  > > H > > Agreed. .PCSI kits should installable on even the oldest versions ofA > > PCSI. To expect that of .PCSI$COMPRESSED kits is not logical.  > > 4 > >>  Thus applying a patch should be done only withA > >> extreme caution, including possibly requiring that their own ' > >> customers run with the same patch.  > > K > > ...which they'll have to be doing anyway so that newer ECOs and product 4 > > updates/distro.'s can be installed successfully. > A > You vastly overestimate the interest of the average customer in 1 > following suggestions from third party vendors.    Not where I work!   H Suffice it to say: My partner would rather our vendor continue trying toH analyze our performance issues than to bring in the "heavy hitters" fromF OpenVMS (for big bux, I might add). Needless to say, we don't agree on that.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    Coming soon:& Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.534 ************************