1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 27 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 540       Contents:) BOOKREADER: printing figures in full page 4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs6 Re: Layoffs at HP : MH needs your suggestions or ideas6 Re: Layoffs at HP : MH needs your suggestions or ideas Mozilla crashes DECWINDOWS Re: Mozilla crashes DECWINDOWSD Re: New SWB (Mozilla) browser version 1.7.11, spam filtering problem, Re: OpenVMS FTP server with these features ?, Re: OpenVMS FTP server with these features ?4 Re: Poor I/O performance (was poor SCSI performance), RE: Quo vadis Galaxy or VMS (a bit rambling), Re: Quo vadis Galaxy or VMS (a bit rambling)# Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH : UAF-W-IDOUTRNG, identifier value is not within legal range> Re: UAF-W-IDOUTRNG, identifier value is not within legal range$ Upgrade path AS500/333 to AS500/500? Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed...  Re: Vax Needed... % Re: VMS 4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXcluster % Re: VMS 4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXcluster % Re: VMS 4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXcluster   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:54:41 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>2 Subject: BOOKREADER: printing figures in full page- Message-ID: <4338FA8A.6E517EAC@vaxination.ca>   M A manual has a key figure showing a flow of a program using certain routines.   F I tried to print that figure on a postscript printer, but it comes outE essentially only a quarter of the page, and not very readable because 
 too small.  F I can use XV to grab the window, then scale it properly when printing,( but it then prints a pretty raw bit map.  G Is there a way to get BOOKREADER to automatically scale a figure to fit  the page ?    C Are figures already bitmapped images inside Bookreader, or are they + logical vector constructs (eg: EPS files) ?    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2005 19:35:39 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs B Message-ID: <1127788539.160652.11900@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   Z wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: E > > No. Properly formulated Kyoto implementations will result in most G > > corporations actually saving money because they will be more energy  > > efficient. > D > If that were true, then we'd be seeing most corporations in the USL > voluntarily enforcing their own version of Kyoto as a cost-saving measure. >  > Has that happened?  F The problem with this argument is that companies don't always minimize? costs as best they can (except, apparently, by firing people!).   E I know an accountant whose company had an inexpensive, but very good, E tax software for its employees to use. The employees really liked it. @ Then they replaced it with much more expensive software that the' employees thought was worse. Go figure.   E Also, banks were originally very opposed to the gov't mandating a $50 F liability limit for credit card users who lost their credit cards. ButE it was this very limit that made people feel free to use credit cards ' resulting in a very lucrative industry!   . Does HP know what's best when it comes to VMS?  < Businesses buy SAP and stuff from CA. They also buy from MS!  ? I keep hearing in this newsgroup that VMS has the best TCO. Are ! companies flocking to HP for VMS?   B I've seen more than one landlord make what I thought were somewhatC less-than-optimal decisions about long-term costs. They always seem , obsessed with the up-front short-term costs.   [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:16:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs , Message-ID: <4338B960.542F9534@teksavvy.com>  
 AEF wrote:D > Interesting. How do you know this? How do you know the cost of theC > energy saved will exceed the cost of increasing energy efficiency 5 > (assuming you somehow meet the Kyoto restrictions).   G Look at cars. Advertising costs for a normal fuel efficient car are the D same as those of a truck (SUV). Once car manufacturers start to pushH fuel efficient cars through their marketing machines, americans will buyE what the marketing tells them to buy. And the USA will have instantly G become far more fuel efficient since cars are such an important part of  fuel consumption in the USA.  C In fact, americans would save money by buying smaller cars (cost of B purchase) as well as much lower fuel expenses for the smaller cars# compared to Hummers and other SUVs.     G In terms of Co2 trading: consider a large country. You have a polluting = power plant in one area and you have pristine areas where the  electricity is being consumed.  G The pristine area generate far less CO2 than the target, so it can sell G its CO2 credits to the power plant which essentially averages the total G output. The revenus the community gets from selling its CO2 credits are G used to compensate for the higher electricity rates for since the power @ company has to bill customers for the CO2 credits it has to buy.  B Once the plant becomes energy efficient, it no longer needs to buyF credits and can lower its electric rates. (and the communities eithert= find another customer for CO2 credits and stop selling them).   C Consider what happens to the USA economy when the rest of the world C decides not to trade with countries that do not sign Kyoto.  Russia H ratified pretty quickly when it was told it needed to do so if it wanted to export to Europe.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:40:00 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs ( Message-ID: <4338CD20.6FB8F74F@mist.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > AEF wrote:F > > Interesting. How do you know this? How do you know the cost of theE > > energy saved will exceed the cost of increasing energy efficiency 7 > > (assuming you somehow meet the Kyoto restrictions).  > I > Look at cars. Advertising costs for a normal fuel efficient car are the F > same as those of a truck (SUV). Once car manufacturers start to pushJ > fuel efficient cars through their marketing machines, americans will buyG > what the marketing tells them to buy. And the USA will have instantly I > become far more fuel efficient since cars are such an important part of  > fuel consumption in the USA. > E > In fact, americans would save money by buying smaller cars (cost of D > purchase) as well as much lower fuel expenses for the smaller cars% > compared to Hummers and other SUVs.   4 My little Subaru Forrester gets around 30 mpg on the! highway, yet it is called an SUV. 8 Not all SUVs are inefficient.  I bought into Subaru only1 because I won't buy into a Ford, GM, or Chrysler. - I want reliability and low cost of operation.   8 Besides, buy a new Ford and leave it outside at night...$ it'll eventually burn up on its own.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:42:06 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs ( Message-ID: <4338CD9E.508ACA24@mist.com>   Dave Froble wrote: >  > ian lincoln wrote:E > > "Michael D. Ober" <obermd.@.alum.mit.edu.nospam> wrote in message - > > news:XITZe.12$hp6.4889@news.uswest.net...  > > N > >>Actually, US emissions are lower than almost every country that has signedL > >>Kyoto.  This is because our state and local governments have passed lawsF > >>curbing emissions.  Most of the countries that signed Kyoto are in
 > >>violation  > >>of the treaty. > >> > >>Mike Ober. > >  > > M > > I can't see the US objecting to the signing of the treaty if this was the M > > case.  It is more likely that it is economically impossible for the US to # > > acheive using current policies.  > >  > >  > H > Actually, the problem is that China and India would not be part of theH > treaty.  If the environment is to be cleaned up, then it's everybody'sG > job.  However, if the USA is to spend big bucks to reduce emmissions, H > said big bucks will be reflected in the price of goods produced, whichI > will have to compete in the marketplace with cheap goods from China and G > India, who will be filling the environment with shit since they don't G > have to participate, and the environment doesn't get cleaned up, then H > maybe 'fuck-off' is an appropriate response.  Hey, if I want to cut myI > throat, I'll choose where and how, you don't have to apply for the job.  > G > Now, you get everyone to work on protecting the environment, EQUALLY,  > and then we'll talk.  	 Well put!   9 Hopefully, no one should forget about the Asian smog over < there due to high pollution without anti pollution equipment9 installed.  I guess that's why goods are cheaper from way  over there.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 05:37:16 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs C Message-ID: <1127824636.282992.313270@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Socialism at its finest ...    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:11:20 -0600  From: Dan Notov <d9nn0@hp.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs , Message-ID: <43395308$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Z wrote: > mark_hpq@yahoo.com wrote:  > 3 >> France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs  >  > I > Sorry to interrupt the name calling insult fest underway, but is there  J > any more news on this?  Were the Mayor or PM able to save any jobs? Has  > HP decided to return the $?   . HP Disputes that there is any money to return: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/forbes/SIG=130hk46ba/*http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2005/09/26/hp-france-starck-cx_gl_0926autofacescan02.html?partner=yahootix   , Plus, HP could cut fewer jobs than foreseen:q http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh60914_2005-09-26_18-46-25_pab002084_newsml   # [Hope these links don't get munged]    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 08:11:26 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs A Message-ID: <1127833886.456059.6990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>    Z wrote: > AEF wrote:F > >>>No. Properly formulated Kyoto implementations will result in mostH > >>>corporations actually saving money because they will be more energy > >>>efficient.  > F > >>If that were true, then we'd be seeing most corporations in the USN > >>voluntarily enforcing their own version of Kyoto as a cost-saving measure. > >>Has that happened? > J > > The problem with this argument is that companies don't always minimizeC > > costs as best they can (except, apparently, by firing people!).  > I > Ok, I can believe that some, maybe even HALF of the companies out their C > are simply too ignorant or stupid to take advantage of this great I > cost-cutting measure ... so, have half of them taken advantage of this?   
 I don't know.    > J > No? How about 25? 20%? 15%? 10%?! How can so many companies be so stupid > and JF be so smart?!  E Well, if you haven't read it yet, check out my response to JF's post.    > F > What about the mega-companies that have integrated cost-cutting intoI > their basic, fundamental operating philosophy, like Wal*Mart? Gee, they 2 > missed this great opportunity, too, didn't they? > E > Or maybe the original claim is baloney. I think that's more likely.   F There are some that are very good at cutting waste. But many aren't. ID just meant to say that just because companies are don't do somethingG guarantees that that something would not be in their benefit. Still, on B further thought, it could well be that companies don't do all thisF emission reduction because it's not worth it to them. So I backtrack a little. OK.   > It seems to me that the best way to reduce CO2 emissions is toG institute a carbon tax. This way you don't waste billions of dollars to E get a very slight incremental improvement and you don't have to worry > about problems with shell game credits. If the results are notD satisfactory, you adjust the tax accordingly. You also don't have toC worry about stupidities like subsidies for hybrids that aren't very G efficient (and some aren't). Also, the revenues from the carbon tax can C either add to the general funds or be used for research into better F energy sources. This is a good use for market incentives, and price is an excellent incentive.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 10:35:06 -0700$ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>= Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs C Message-ID: <1127842506.183402.231520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > AEF wrote:F > > Interesting. How do you know this? How do you know the cost of theE > > energy saved will exceed the cost of increasing energy efficiency 7 > > (assuming you somehow meet the Kyoto restrictions).  > I > Look at cars. Advertising costs for a normal fuel efficient car are the     C Please stick to the topic. Let's go to the way-back machine and see * what you didn't include in your quotation:  
 [begin quote]    JF Mezei wrote:  > ian lincoln wrote:M > > I can't see the US objecting to the signing of the treaty if this was the M > > case.  It is more likely that it is economically impossible for the US to # > > acheive using current policies.   C > No. Properly formulated Kyoto implementations will result in most E > corporations actually saving money because they will be more energy J > efficient. And it will result in citizens saving money because they willI > be driving more fuel efficient cars and using public transit instead of  > cars where possible.  B Interesting. How do you know this? How do you know the cost of theA energy saved will exceed the cost of increasing energy efficiency 3 (assuming you somehow meet the Kyoto restrictions).    [end quote]   E As you can see, I was asking you how you know that implementing Kyoto E would actually save most corporations money. Instead of answering the B question, you go on about cars. And somehow you conclude that moreB energy-efficient coroportions will result in citizens driving more3 fuel-efficient cars ... . How do you conclude this?   F > same as those of a truck (SUV). Once car manufacturers start to pushJ > fuel efficient cars through their marketing machines, americans will buyG > what the marketing tells them to buy. And the USA will have instantly   , Such magic marketing only works for Windows.  I > become far more fuel efficient since cars are such an important part of  > fuel consumption in the USA. > E > In fact, americans would save money by buying smaller cars (cost of D > purchase) as well as much lower fuel expenses for the smaller cars% > compared to Hummers and other SUVs.    Duh.  I > In terms of Co2 trading: consider a large country. You have a polluting ? > power plant in one area and you have pristine areas where the   > electricity is being consumed. > I > The pristine area generate far less CO2 than the target, so it can sell I > its CO2 credits to the power plant which essentially averages the total I > output. The revenus the community gets from selling its CO2 credits are I > used to compensate for the higher electricity rates for since the power B > company has to bill customers for the CO2 credits it has to buy.  C This is why I favor a simple carbon tax. This avoids the shell-game C shenanigans while minimizing the wasting of effort (money). You let E everyone pollute as much as they want, but they have to pay a tax per C unit of carbon emitted. Then, efficient plants pay little or no tax B whilst inefficient plants have incentive to clean up. It works outE great! Each company calculates the amount of pollution they emit that D minimizes the costs. If the results are not satisfactory, you adjust the tax.   [...]  > E > Consider what happens to the USA economy when the rest of the world E > decides not to trade with countries that do not sign Kyoto.  Russia   # This looks like Doomsday FUD to me.   J > ratified pretty quickly when it was told it needed to do so if it wanted > to export to Europe.  < And when Russia reneges on its promise, what will Europe do?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:40:56 -0400  From: Impmon <impmon@digi.mon>? Subject: Re: Layoffs at HP : MH needs your suggestions or ideas 8 Message-ID: <27chj1pbiirvu83op5sr7o6pck8svm41hd@4ax.com>  * On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:41:30 -0700, Arthur$ <no.body.lives.here@xoxy.net> wrote:  E >Next time buy a Canon and check the price of cart. before purchasing F >the printer.  HP, Lex, Epson, and others use print heads in cart. and; >charge for this wonderful idea by charging 2x for cart..     F I just might do that when it's time to retire my 2 year old HP.  Got aA Canon model something similiar to 1220c as far as handling ledger  sized paper? Ledger is 11"x17"  E PS most Epson printer I've seen doesn't have printer head on cart but < I'd rather avoid Epson as I've had bad experience with them. --  H When you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it's already0 too late.    - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX, To reply, replace digi.mon with phreaker.net   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 08:18:27 -0700 From: Lawyerkill@aol.com? Subject: Re: Layoffs at HP : MH needs your suggestions or ideas A Message-ID: <1127834307.121373.3810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>     HP scopes were always below par.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:24:31 +0000 (UTC) < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)# Subject: Mozilla crashes DECWINDOWS ) Message-ID: <dhbo7f$omd$1@news.BelWue.DE>    Hello,  L on an Alphastation 255 with 512 MB main memory we tried to run Mozilla V1.7 E under OpenVMS 7.3-1. It ends with a crash of Decwindows. This is what ! the DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG says:    27-SEP-2005 14:01:35.2* 27-SEP-2005 14:01:35.3 Fatal server error:N 27-SEP-2005 14:01:35.3 server restarted. Jumped through uninitialized pointer? 27-SEP-2005 14:01:35.5  G There is nothing in the ERRLOG.SYS so I am a bit stuck at where to look   7 On other nodes in the cluster there is no such problem.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 11:53:43 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Mozilla crashes DECWINDOWS 3 Message-ID: <3rUjHl31DLfV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   h In article <dhbo7f$omd$1@news.BelWue.DE>, gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > I > There is nothing in the ERRLOG.SYS so I am a bit stuck at where to look   H    I would not expact software errors like bad pointers to cause entries    in ERRLOG.SYS .  F    I suggest you compare SYSGEN and UAF parameters between the systemsE    to see if it's just an ignored malloc() failure actualy caused by  "    something like page file quota.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:34:47 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> M Subject: Re: New SWB (Mozilla) browser version 1.7.11, spam filtering problem * Message-ID: <43391237.7060304@bigpond.com>  ( jordan@ccs4vms.com was overheard to say: > F > It also appears that 1.7-11 has done something to the spam filteringI > code again; when I upgraded to Mozilla 1.7, spam filtering continued to I > work but you could no longer train the filters, or change the status of > > a message to/from junk.  That continued with V1.7-8, but wasH > correctable by blowing away the training database and another file andI > starting over with training.  Now that 1.7-11 is installed, the problem A > has returned.   Inbound messages are checked and marked against G > existing training data, but I can't do anything spam related with the & > messages once they've been received. > I > No time to do the file deletions and retrain so far, I hope that method H > still works with this new version.  Files involved were TRAINING.DAT;*7 > and PANACEA.DAT in the top level profile subdirectory G > (DDCU:[USER._MOZILLA.DEFAULT.XYZYXYZ9_ZYX], profile directory changed  > to protect the innocent).  >  > Rich   Rich,   ? Since I have this problem at work, I logged a call with support ; and eagerly await the response.  I will advise the outcome.    Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 05:19:30 -0700 From: pierre.bru@gmail.com5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS FTP server with these features ? C Message-ID: <1127823570.624698.135700@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   + > Ahah.  That makes things much more clear.  >   > Which then means you can have: > 8 > 1. High performance positioning for compliant clients.? > 2. High performance positioning for broken clients as long as ' >   the file is fixed or stream format. E > 3. Low performance positioning for broken clients on all other file 
 >    formats. 8 > 4. High reliability positioning for compliant clients.J > 5. High reliability positioning for broken clients with binary transfers3 > 6. Low reliability positioning for everyone else.  > # > Does that sum things up properly?   G if the download was broken, IMHA it will take longer to reestablish the E connection than to position the file handler to the right place (even D in the worst case) and in any case, positionning the file handler inB the right place will be far faster than downloading the whola file again.   Pierre.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 05:15:43 -0700 From: pierre.bru@gmail.com5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS FTP server with these features ? B Message-ID: <1127823343.685804.57150@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  B > I don't seem to find *ANY* FTP clients that support "REST[ART]".6 > I find some that understand "REGET", but that's it.    Filezilla ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:21:28 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> = Subject: Re: Poor I/O performance (was poor SCSI performance) < Message-ID: <sHb_e.109744$xl6.83974@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:    > Hello, > I > in case of the predecessor stream (poor SCSI performance), I did made a J > few tests with COPY and BACKUP. For the test I created a 128MB file withH > fixed record size. To measure the I/O performance I used the following > two commands: ( > 1. $PIPE SH TI ; COPY file NL: ; SH TI. > 2. $PIPE SH TI ; BACK file NL:T/SAVE ; SH TIC > With BACKUP the performance was independent of record size (about J > 30MB/s). Not so COPY; the performance varying from 60MB/s (record size =G > 16384) to 0.6MB/s (record size = 16). In case of this I think COPY is # > not match intelligent programmed. J > Copy is used to copy files, so it should use block i/o instead of recordH > i/o if it is possible (disk, tape). An other question is, what's aboutG > applications? IMHO sequential i/o should be every time block i/o from 5 > media to cache memory. Or would this make problems? I > One more question is, why BACKUP is slower then COPY if the record size  > is greater then 1024?  >  > Best regards R. Wingert  >  >  Backup does more data checking.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2005 23:24:42 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 5 Subject: RE: Quo vadis Galaxy or VMS (a bit rambling) 3 Message-ID: <z0U7nXcvoRgI@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70BE7A@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> writes:   > B > Now, there are two primary types of virtualization - Application > Stacking and OS Stacking.  > F > 1. Application stacking is the best financial and technical solution
 > because it: I > - reduces OS instances and number of OS instances is tied to FTE counts ; > which is by far the biggest IT expense in most companies. 3 > - reduces HW requirements of many smaller servers  > - small overhead  > - improves overall utilizationJ > - with OpenVMS, HP-UX and some other UNIX's, you can dynamically migrateI > CPU's between different OS instances as the load changes. With OpenVMS, H > these CPU's can be migrated between OS instances dynamically (based on> > business rules), manually (drag-n-drop) or even time-of-day. > D > The down side to application stacking on Windows and to a bit of aI > lesser extent, many UNIX systems, is that the culture is very averse to * > sharing resources on the same system.=20 > I > "What, share my application with that other dept system? No way in hell  > will that happen.."  >   @ 	This is a show stoppper (not wanting to share) in most cases.  > 	That and conflicting downtime windows of various applications$ 	and business units.  Surely others?  I > 2. OS stacking is the next best thing, and because of the technical and H > political challenges, is the reason why it is becoming so popular with > Windows/Linux:3 > - reduces HW requirements of many smaller servers   > - improves overall utilization% > - politically "easier" to implement J > - does *not* reduce OS instances, so does not impact FTE counts and willJ > also add some additional costs in terms of server overhead and licensing > (e.g. VMware) E > - does not allow one to dynamically move CPU's between different OS  > instances  >   !   3.  VMS Cluster load balancing.   ( 	- Connections made to least loaded node= 	- No need to overbuy hardware for one Business Unit that has @ 	  higher requirements.. that BU is now spread among all members. 	  and each cluster supports a number of BU's.  D 	- One additional neat wrinkle... using a certain IP-based VMS load ? 	  balancing mechanism (and scripting) it is quite possible to  B 	  dynamically change the naming such that if you down a database D 	  instance (not the node), that node is no longer participating in = 	  that load balanced name.  Dynamically - and quickly quits             participating.  B^)   F > So, in summary, making much better use of server resources is a veryC > high priority for most med-large Cust's today. IT shops are under H > extreme pressures to reduce costs and while OS stacking will gain someH > benefits, if the political issues of "one-app, many servers" model canB > be overcome, then even more cost reductions can be obtained withI > application stacking using virtualization (e.g.  Galaxy, vPars etc) and ; > various workload management (class scheduler) strategies.   A 	I don't know.  I see that workload management stuff but it looks A 	geared towards larger servers and carving as you describe.  When ? 	that server goes down or has to come down (fibre card wedged,  C 	storage migration), you effect a large number of BU's.  (Granted,  F 	there are a number of large businesses where that is a good fit... I F 	am thinking about the other 80-90% of businesses)  I think the sweet B 	spot is 4-CPU and a number of them (hardware isolation is a good ? 	thing).  Not the extreme hardware isolation of Windows (as you B 	highlight reduced hardware reqs above) and the 1-2 CPU model and  	MANY servers.  ? 	Oh.. and costs will continue to come down.  Montecito is much   	cooler ;-).   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 06:45:17 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Quo vadis Galaxy or VMS (a bit rambling) 3 Message-ID: <KNQi$XYOfUwH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <zNydnWSJtrXJNaXeRVn-qA@rcn.net>, Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> writes:E > Re the VMware comments below: VMware gets used to provide isolation    Please stop top-posting.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 08:32:41 -02006 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: Remote X Session to PC thru SSH, Message-ID: <433903a9$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <4338A829.D7149ED7@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: >Tom Linden wrote:; >> On 26 Sep 2005 21:47:51 -0200, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER   >> <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote:K >> > In article <opsxpvvwmvzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  >> > writes:L >> >> Just installed TCPIP5.4 on 7.3-1 and tried your experiment using PuTTY
 >> >> 0.58( >> >> with X-Forwarding enabled, and ... >> >>  >> >> ODIN> mcr decw$clock) >> >> X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display + >> >> %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204  >> >F >> > Could it be that you have no X11 server on the PC running or thatI >> > the X11 security is the culprit here ? What does SHOW DISPLAY tell ? 7 >> > And does your PC have a X11 server error logfile ?  >> > >>  from the 7.3-1 system  >>   >> ODIN> sho display6 >> %DECW-W-OPENIN, error opening DECW$DISPLAY as input0 >> -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available > L >DECwindows has not been started, or SET DISPLAY/CREATE has not been issued.  G SET DISPLAY/CREATE is not needed. It is done by the SSH Server of TCPIP  and looks like this    	Device:		WSAx: [user] 	Node:		local VMS node IP name 	Transport:	TCPIP  	Server:		10 (or higher) 	Screen:		0   D And at TCP port 6010 (or higher) you see the SSH server listening...   >> and from a 7.3-2 system  / VMS version is not important. TCPIP version is. B I use TCPIP V5.4 ECO5 and for ECO5 I had to discard the SSH configB (error message is "config is probably too old" or similar) and use+ the new SSH config template file unchanged.    >> HAFNER> sho display >>    >>      Device:    WSA1:  [exec] >>      Node:      0 >>      Transport: LOCAL >>      Server:    0 >>      Screen:    0   This isn't done by SSH...     >> HAFNER>  mcr decw$clock/ >> Xlib: connection to "WSA1" refused by server 6 >> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server& >> X Toolkit Error: Can't Open display( >> %DWT-F-NOMSG, Message number 03AB8204 >>   >> These are both using SSH  > I >Take the second Xlib: message seriously: check the permissons for access # >to your display target (your PC?).   O No. The target used is not the target intended. So fix the other problem first.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:51:55 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>C Subject: UAF-W-IDOUTRNG, identifier value is not within legal range & Message-ID: <4339325b$1@news1.ethz.ch>  
 Hello all,  ' This is Alpha VMS 7.3-2 and I try this:   , UAF> grant/iden VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER MEUSERC %UAF-I-GRANTMSG, identifier VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER granted to MEUSER - UAF> revo/iden VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER TEST1148 ; %UAF-W-IDOUTRNG, identifier value is not within legal range    I have: 0 MEUSER                           [000012,000032]+ VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER            %X80000009   D How come all in a sudden VMS$MEM_RESIDENT_USER is not good anymore? I According to the docs, it IS indeed outside legal range, but hey it came  I like that with the system and GRANT accepted it happily. And this is not  F the only identifier like this, I see there a heap of system ones like 7 BATCH, DECWINDOWS... are they not to be used by humans?   F Same thing for older VMS, same thing on VAX, I have no VMS 8.x to try.   Thank you for any hints, S    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:50:40 +0200  From: S <soterroatyahoodotcom>G Subject: Re: UAF-W-IDOUTRNG, identifier value is not within legal range & Message-ID: <43394e2f$1@news1.ethz.ch>   Joseph Huber wrote:  > See ITRC thread at URLM > http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=957014 6 > Maybe a coming patch will solve this (or maybe not).  G I wonder what is that HP new AUTHORIZE.EXE doing: allows REVOKE revoke  ? the thing (and maybe forces the standard integer range only to  H identifier ADD) or forbids GRANT to grant it (and breaks the use of all 2 those existing identifiers). I bet on the first...  D Right, as it seems to work on VMS 8.2, could somebody having an 8.2  around tell me what does: & $ MCR AUTHORIZE HELP ADD /IDENT /VALUE* have to say about the integer value range?  
 Thanks a lot,  S    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 02:38:17 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>- Subject: Upgrade path AS500/333 to AS500/500? / Message-ID: <43397ca3$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>   ) I'll stick my neck out .. is it possible?   6 Presuming I have the 500Mhz CPUs - 21-43918-44 / 21164  
 Currently:   Digital AlphaStation 500/333  0    SMP execlet   = 3 : Disabled : Uniprocessing.    Config tree   = None     Primary CPU   = 0    HWRPB CPUs    = 1    Page Size     = 8192     Revision Code =    Serial Number =    Default CPU Capabilities:          System: QUORUM RUN      Default Process Capabilities:          System: QUORUM RUN   F CPU 0   State: RUN                CPUDB: 81C32000     Handle: * None *2        Process: _FTA12:              PID: 20400DB3   Capabilities: '         System: PRIMARY QUORUM RUN RAD0    Slot Context: 856341C0<      CPU     -  State..........: RC, PA, PP, CV, PV, PMV, PL6                 Type...........: EV5 (21164), Reserved(                 Speed..........: 333 MhzB                 Variation......: VAX FP, IEEE FP, Primary Eligible(                 Speed..........: 333 MhzB                 Variation......: VAX FP, IEEE FP, Primary Eligible                  Serial Number..:                  Revision.......:"                 Halt Request...: 0$                 Software Comp..: 0.0(      PALCODE -  Revision Code..: 1.20-01"                 Compatibility..: 0"                 Max Shared CPUs: 1I                 Memory  Space..: Physical = 00000000.00000000  Length = 0 I                 Scratch Space..: Physical = 00000000.00000000  Length = 0    As always, TIA.   F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+E   Mark Daniel                         http://wasd.vsm.com.au/adelaide F   mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au);   A pox on the houses of all SPAMers.  Make that two poxes. F +--------------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2005 20:10:39 -0700 From: dooleys@snowy.net.au Subject: Re: Vax Needed...C Message-ID: <1127790639.021687.183780@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    neox.qua...@gmail.com wrote:C > Hi, i'm trying to learn VAX assembly language, but I don't have a C > system. I was wondering where perhaps I would be able to obtain a I > MicroVax or similar. Anything smaller than a washing machine is fine by # > me. I live in Australia though... 3 There are a couple on http://computers.ebay.com.au/ ( at the moment - in the "vintage" section a vaxstation and a vax4000 Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:13:46 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> Subject: Re: Vax Needed...& Message-ID: <43391B5A.6C5F8B02@hp.com>   neox.quasar@gmail.com wrote: > C > Hi, i'm trying to learn VAX assembly language, but I don't have a C > system. I was wondering where perhaps I would be able to obtain a I > MicroVax or similar. Anything smaller than a washing machine is fine by # > me. I live in Australia though...   @ try opening an account on vax.polarhome.com; There are polarhome machinesG running a variety of OSs, and a shell account will cost 'round US$2.00  1 (thats two US dollars, one-time -- *Not* monthly)   3 Go to http://www.polarhome.com, and try from there.    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 01:02:02 -0700 From: mb301@hotmail.com  Subject: Re: Vax Needed...C Message-ID: <1127808122.847200.192220@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   ; Why not get a charon-vax, runs on any Micro$oft Windows PC.   % http://www.softresint.com/charon-vax/    Mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:42:46 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>  Subject: Re: Vax Needed...? Message-ID: <aC7_e.116483$G8.108996@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   J http://retrobeep.no-ip.org/ has a simulated VAX 3900 (and a bunch of other3 stuff) using SIMH - hosted on an Alpha running VMS.   C It's not the same as having your own VAX at home, but it's a start.   H You should be able to pick up something like a VAXstation 4000-60 or -909 easily enough locally, maybe a microVAX 3100 or 4000-100.    --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk E It's not mine, but I like this definition: Legacy = stuff that works.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 07:51:46 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Vax Needed...3 Message-ID: <Ydk7sd9fOwTZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <1127782943.795799.150990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, neox.quasar@gmail.com writes: C > Hi, i'm trying to learn VAX assembly language, but I don't have a C > system. I was wondering where perhaps I would be able to obtain a I > MicroVax or similar. Anything smaller than a washing machine is fine by # > me. I live in Australia though...  >   G     Load up SIMH on almost any system, it emulates VAX hardware and you D     should be able to run any software for VAX on it, including VMS,     Ultirx, VAXeln, ...   E     Then get licenses for VMS via the hobbyist program, and a copy of (     VMS from anyplace you can borrow it.  1     Now you're ready to do VAX assembly language.   E     OBTW, you can use that same language on Alpha or IA64 running VMS A     where it is treated as a high level language (one complex VAX <     instruction compiles to one or more simple Alpha or IA64     instructions).   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 07:53:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Vax Needed...3 Message-ID: <Wffbnz4KZdnn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <1127782943.795799.150990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, neox.quasar@gmail.com writes: C > Hi, i'm trying to learn VAX assembly language, but I don't have a C > system. I was wondering where perhaps I would be able to obtain a I > MicroVax or similar. Anything smaller than a washing machine is fine by # > me. I live in Australia though...  >   "    Or get free accounts on any of:  +    Encompasserve (eisner.encompasserve.org) "    Deathrow (deathrow.vistech.net)    ... (many others)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:19:50 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com>  Subject: Re: Vax Needed...< Message-ID: <WFb_e.109732$xl6.93406@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:c > In article <1127782943.795799.150990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, neox.quasar@gmail.com writes:  > C >>Hi, i'm trying to learn VAX assembly language, but I don't have a C >>system. I was wondering where perhaps I would be able to obtain a I >>MicroVax or similar. Anything smaller than a washing machine is fine by # >>me. I live in Australia though...  >> >  > $ >    Or get free accounts on any of: > - >    Encompasserve (eisner.encompasserve.org) $ >    Deathrow (deathrow.vistech.net) >    ... (many others) >   I That's what I was going to say. It's free, and their is a community that   will help you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:52:14 -0400 ? From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <david@hpaq.net>  Subject: Re: Vax Needed...0 Message-ID: <11jijh09q58hl01@corp.supernews.com>   I might have a 3100-80   Give me a call and we'll talk   * No warranty means no charge for the systemI I would like to get it out of here via Fedex instead of Waster Management    DT   --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   ( <neox.quasar@gmail.com> wrote in message= news:1127782943.795799.150990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... C > Hi, i'm trying to learn VAX assembly language, but I don't have a C > system. I was wondering where perhaps I would be able to obtain a I > MicroVax or similar. Anything smaller than a washing machine is fine by # > me. I live in Australia though...  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:41:38 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> Subject: Re: Vax Needed.... Message-ID: <433921E2.30674.58A1239@localhost>  * On 27 Sep 2005 at 7:53, Bob Koehler wrote:$ >    Or get free accounts on any of: > - >    Encompasserve (eisner.encompasserve.org) $ >    Deathrow (deathrow.vistech.net)  D I'll be announcing availability of a free system running CHARON-VAX  6610 shortly.  Stay tuned.  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 08:42:49 -0700' From: "toby" <toby@telegraphics.com.au>  Subject: Re: Vax Needed...B Message-ID: <1127835769.383922.68400@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>  - David Turner, Island Computers US Corp wrote:  > I might have a 3100-80 >  > Give me a call and we'll talk  > , > No warranty means no charge for the systemK > I would like to get it out of here via Fedex instead of Waster Management    David   E Assuming neox can't take that machine, what does the system comprise? " Do you have the patience for ebay?   regards  Toby   >  > DT >  > -- >  > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404  > Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 > Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  > Fax: 912 201 0402  > Email: dbturner@icusc.com  > Web: http://www.islandco.com' > ===================================== > > All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions0 > of sale. These should be read before ordering.' > http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html  > * > <neox.quasar@gmail.com> wrote in message? > news:1127782943.795799.150990@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... E > > Hi, i'm trying to learn VAX assembly language, but I don't have a E > > system. I was wondering where perhaps I would be able to obtain a K > > MicroVax or similar. Anything smaller than a washing machine is fine by % > > me. I live in Australia though...  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:08:09 -0700 ( From: Jeff Cameron <roktsci@comcast.net>. Subject: Re: VMS 4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXcluster0 Message-ID: <BF5E13B9.149B0%roktsci@comcast.net>   On 9/26/05 9:12 AM, in articleB 1127751168.327163.214830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "vaxorcist"' <hoelscher-kirchbrak@freenet.de> wrote:   A > I intend to build a VMS V4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXcluster for pure  > Hobbyist reasons.  > I > I've got VMS V4.6 and V4.7 and the DECnet F/F License Key, but the LAVC C > License Key (or was it called 'Cluster License Key'?) is missing.  > % > Anyone out there who has got one??? K The License manager did not come out until version 5. You should not need a  license key. > G > Another possiblity would be if someone had a Backup of a V4.6 or V4.7 E > LAVC VMS System. As far as I know all I would need from that is the H > file: SYS$SYSTEM:PEDRIVER.EXE (Systems without the LAVC license key do( > only have SYS$SYSTEM:PEDRIVER.MSKEXE). > D > Thank in advance to anyone who can help or knows someone else that
 > might help.  >  > Ulli > (The 'VAXorcist')  >  > P.S.F > To those who never saw a VMS V4.x system: There's no such thing as aG > LMF License Facilty, but some important file are patched or encrypted  > for reduced functionalty.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:19:01 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> . Subject: Re: VMS 4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXcluster2 Message-ID: <433962E5.5030109@applied-synergy.com>   Jeff Cameron wrote:   > On 9/26/05 9:12 AM, in articleD > 1127751168.327163.214830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "vaxorcist") > <hoelscher-kirchbrak@freenet.de> wrote:  >  > A >>I intend to build a VMS V4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXcluster for pure  >>Hobbyist reasons.  >>I >>I've got VMS V4.6 and V4.7 and the DECnet F/F License Key, but the LAVC C >>License Key (or was it called 'Cluster License Key'?) is missing.  >>% >>Anyone out there who has got one???  > M > The License manager did not come out until version 5. You should not need a  > license key.  H Generally, a VMS 4.x era "license key" is a tape containing some bit of # software that is otherwise missing.    --  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2005 08:42:58 -07002 From: "vaxorcist" <hoelscher-kirchbrak@freenet.de>. Subject: Re: VMS 4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXclusterC Message-ID: <1127835778.897259.214170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Chris Scheers wrote: > Jeff Cameron wrote: " > > On 9/26/05 9:12 AM, in articleF > > 1127751168.327163.214830@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "vaxorcist"+ > > <hoelscher-kirchbrak@freenet.de> wrote:  > >  > > C > >>I intend to build a VMS V4.6/4.7 Local Area VAXcluster for pure  > >>Hobbyist reasons.  > >>K > >>I've got VMS V4.6 and V4.7 and the DECnet F/F License Key, but the LAVC E > >>License Key (or was it called 'Cluster License Key'?) is missing.  > >>' > >>Anyone out there who has got one???  > > O > > The License manager did not come out until version 5. You should not need a  > > license key. > I > Generally, a VMS 4.x era "license key" is a tape containing some bit of % > software that is otherwise missing.  >  > --I > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- & > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. > D > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >    Fax: 817-237-3074  < Yes, there was a kind of crude license mangement in VMS 4.x:   - Software missing8 - Software patched to reduce functionality (e.g. DECnet) - Software in encrypted form>   (e.g. Cluster driver or Multi-processor support for VAX8xxx)  @ So, anyone with old LAVC-VMS 4.x backup tapes out there, please? Or the genuine 'License Kit'?      Ulli (The 'VAXorcist')    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.540 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                            > 200 Port 13.172 at Host 194.116.244.16 accepted. <<< RETR getcmd_msg.msggk >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/getcmd/source/getcmd_msg.msg (1326 bytes) started.9 >>> 226 Transfer completed.  658 (8) bytes transferred.s  <<< PORT 194,116,244,16,13,1736 >>> 200 Port 13.173 at Host 194.116.244.16 accepted. <<< RETR hg_output.b32k >>> 150 IMAGE retrieve of /disk$misc/decus/freewarev70/getcmd/source/hg_output.b32 (11092 bytes) started. : >>> 226 Transfer completed.  9794 