1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 28 Sep 2005	Volume 2005 : Issue 542       Contents:! books for an OS design enthusiast ! books for an OS design enthusiast % Re: books for an OS design enthusiast % RE: books for an OS design enthusiast % Re: books for an OS design enthusiast 4 Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs$ Headless Vaxstation 3100 Halt Enable
 HSJ40 manuals  Re: HSJ40 manuals  Re: HSJ40 manuals  Re: Jump to console ?  Re: Kea and VMS  OpenVMS Hobby Licence Issues  Re: OpenVMS Hobby Licence Issues  Re: OpenVMS Hobby Licence Issues  Re: OpenVMS Hobby Licence Issues Re: Remote backups via WAN SC008/Star Couplers.C Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello, ! Re: Why won't HP send me VMS 8.2?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:07:57 +0100 4 From: "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVETHIS@hivemind.org>* Subject: books for an OS design enthusiast3 Message-ID: <uNidnc-KHqo85KfeRVnysg@eclipse.net.uk>    Hi all,   L I want to improve my knowledge as a VMS hobbyist with a general interest in G OS design - in anything from user to system management to internals to  K programming - making a collection of printed material to go along with the  L electronic docset and a rather hefty incomplete VMS 4 orange wall that fell  into my possession.   K My aim is to well understand the principles and usage of the system rather  J than catching up with the most recent advances, and I'd prefer books that M assume the reader knows *computers* (from a development/admin point of view)  I and wants to specifically learn *VMS* - advanced books in a paedagogical  M style (rather than just reference material, which is what the docset is for)   I guess are ideal. So far:  L - DCL: Writing Real Programs in DCL - latest ed appears to have extra stuff I on DECnet and the web - I took a flick through this, reads nicely.. does  H this go fully through DCL's capabilities or would I want something else?J - internals: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures - 5.2 is latest? I think I this is the authoritative "everything your inner OS-nerd wanted to know". L - system management: the System Manager's Manual - 5.x-ish era, before they J got into multiple volumes; also the System Management Guide seems to be a  more tutorial-style manual. K - VAX architecture: the VAX Architecture reference manual - 2nd ed. (dunno  B how much luck I'll have finding this in hardcopy; I found a scan).  K - programming: hmm, there seem to be many options, and the orange wall has  L lots of reference material (including a rather nice guide on writing device L drivers, though I'm not quite ready for that, and a few tutorial-ish guides J under the MicroVMS brand), but are there any other favourites recommended K giving good in-depth coverage of VMS specifics - things like ASTs, process  J control, IPC, libraries, networking, rather than "how to write C/FORTRAN".  M Any preferences over these? Any other topics you think I'd do well to have a  I separate text on - eg clustering, performance management, just a general  D day-to-day usage guide? There are comprehensive lists at the end of C http://www.pottsoft.com/home/vms/vms.html and slightly rehashed at  K http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_book.htmlx (or vice versa) - anything from  ( there stand out as exceptionally useful?  J This post is intentionally woolly to elicit information as to what people M who either find VMS or operating system architecture in general fun find are  K their favourite reads :-). It's nice to learn about an OS such as VMS that  / was *architected* rather than cobbled together.    Thanks for any advice.   --   Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:08:23 +0100 4 From: "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVETHIS@hivemind.org>* Subject: books for an OS design enthusiast3 Message-ID: <uNidnc6KHqo85KfeRVnysg@eclipse.net.uk>    Hi all,   K I want to improve my knowledge as a VMS hobbyist with a general interest in F OS design - in anything from user to system management to internals toJ programming - making a collection of printed material to go along with theK electronic docset and a rather hefty incomplete VMS 4 orange wall that fell  into my possession.   J My aim is to well understand the principles and usage of the system ratherI than catching up with the most recent advances, and I'd prefer books that L assume the reader knows *computers* (from a development/admin point of view)H and wants to specifically learn *VMS* - advanced books in a paedagogicalL style (rather than just reference material, which is what the docset is for) I guess are ideal. So far:  K - DCL: Writing Real Programs in DCL - latest ed appears to have extra stuff H on DECnet and the web - I took a flick through this, reads nicely.. doesH this go fully through DCL's capabilities or would I want something else?I - internals: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures - 5.2 is latest? I think I this is the authoritative "everything your inner OS-nerd wanted to know". K - system management: the System Manager's Manual - 5.x-ish era, before they I got into multiple volumes; also the System Management Guide seems to be a  more tutorial-style manual. J - VAX architecture: the VAX Architecture reference manual - 2nd ed. (dunnoB how much luck I'll have finding this in hardcopy; I found a scan).  J - programming: hmm, there seem to be many options, and the orange wall hasK lots of reference material (including a rather nice guide on writing device K drivers, though I'm not quite ready for that, and a few tutorial-ish guides I under the MicroVMS brand), but are there any other favourites recommended J giving good in-depth coverage of VMS specifics - things like ASTs, processJ control, IPC, libraries, networking, rather than "how to write C/FORTRAN".  L Any preferences over these? Any other topics you think I'd do well to have aH separate text on - eg clustering, performance management, just a generalC day-to-day usage guide? There are comprehensive lists at the end of B http://www.pottsoft.com/home/vms/vms.html and slightly rehashed atJ http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_book.htmlx (or vice versa) - anything from( there stand out as exceptionally useful?  I This post is intentionally woolly to elicit information as to what people L who either find VMS or operating system architecture in general fun find areJ their favourite reads :-). It's nice to learn about an OS such as VMS that/ was *architected* rather than cobbled together.    Thanks for any advice.   --   Tom    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:12:27 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis). Subject: Re: books for an OS design enthusiast. Message-ID: <dhe8cb$ol2$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVETHIS@hivemind.org> writes in article <uNidnc6KHqo85KfeRVnysg@eclipse.net.uk> dated Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:08:23 +0100: K >- programming: hmm, there seem to be many options, and the orange wall has L >lots of reference material (including a rather nice guide on writing deviceL >drivers, though I'm not quite ready for that, and a few tutorial-ish guidesJ >under the MicroVMS brand), but are there any other favourites recommendedK >giving good in-depth coverage of VMS specifics - things like ASTs, process K >control, IPC, libraries, networking, rather than "how to write C/FORTRAN".   F The first book you should read is in the doc set, _OpenVMS ProgrammingL Concepts_.  (Actually it might have been _VAX/VMS Programming Concepts_ backK in the orange-binder days.)  It gives a great synopsis on what behavior the J programmer can expect from the system and what capabilities are available.  J A HTML version is probably available online if you want the most recent.... See the OpenVMS FAQ for the URL to the docset.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:29:13 -0400 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> . Subject: RE: books for an OS design enthusiastR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB70BF1F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Keith A. Lewis [mailto:klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG]=20# > Sent: September 28, 2005 10:12 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: books for an OS design enthusiast >=20= > "Tom Garcia" <tgarcia-REMOVETHIS@hivemind.org> writes in=20 B > article <uNidnc6KHqo85KfeRVnysg@eclipse.net.uk> dated Wed, 28=20 > Sep 2005 12:08:23 +0100:@ > >- programming: hmm, there seem to be many options, and the=20 > orange wall has B > >lots of reference material (including a rather nice guide on=20 > writing device= > >drivers, though I'm not quite ready for that, and a few=20  > tutorial-ish guides 8 > >under the MicroVMS brand), but are there any other=20 > favourites recommendedB > >giving good in-depth coverage of VMS specifics - things like=20 > ASTs, process > > >control, IPC, libraries, networking, rather than "how to=20 > write C/FORTRAN".  >=20H > The first book you should read is in the doc set, _OpenVMS ProgrammingB > Concepts_.  (Actually it might have been _VAX/VMS Programming=20 > Concepts_ back> > in the orange-binder days.)  It gives a great synopsis on=20 > what behavior the @ > programmer can expect from the system and what capabilities=20 > are available. >=20@ > A HTML version is probably available online if you want the=20 > most recent...0 > See the OpenVMS FAQ for the URL to the docset. >=202 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer. >=20  D As Keith mentioned, here is the online pointer to the OpenVMS doc's:   http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/  ( http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/index.html  H (scroll down to pdf and html versions of the concepts and other manuals)  D And one of my favourites that never goes out of date: (was published# 1994 and is still applicable today) H http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/BUILD_DEPEND_SYS PDF 3 "Building Dependable Systems: The OpenVMS Approach"    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2005 07:29:06 -0700 From: jordan@ccs4vms.com. Subject: Re: books for an OS design enthusiastC Message-ID: <1127917746.497635.206540@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F Its been a while since I had time or need to review this stuff, sadly.* Work has gone in far different directions.  A I was impressed with "VAX/VMS Operating System Concepts" by David E Donald Miller; it was designed as a textbook and for me it did a very 	 good job.   F Also "Computer Programming and Architecture: The VAX" by Henry M. LevyD and Richard H. Eckhouse Jr.  While this is mostly a programming book? (assembler, aka Macro-32) it includes several chapters covering F operating system support and structures that provide good information.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:57:03 -0700 ! From: Scotius <wolvzbro@mnsi.net> = Subject: Re: France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs 8 Message-ID: <mnolj1h57orlgcbg5lmsvdosg79ai6g4ba@4ax.com>  8 On 23 Sep 2005 11:14:31 -0700, mark_hpq@yahoo.com wrote:  1 >France keeps up pressure on Hewlett-Packard jobs  >Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:26 AM ET H >OYONNAX, France, Sept 23 (Reuters) - French Prime Minister Dominique deC >Villepin maintained pressure on Hewlett-Packard Co. (HPQ.N: Quote, F >Profile, Research) on Friday, calling on the U.S. computer company to. >rethink its plan to cut 1,240 jobs in France.  0 	They ought to bring those jobs back to the US.   H >The conservative government, under pressure to reduce unemployment fromF >close to 10 percent, has scheduled a meeting with the firm's European@ >head, Francesco Serafini, and referred its job-cut plans to the  >European Commission for review. > D >Villepin said HP should reimburse any public aid it has received in >France. > F >"It is important that public aid is not redirected from its purpose,"G >Villepin said during a visit to Oyonnax in eastern France, adding that ; >subsidies were meant to help firms with their national and  >international strategies. > C >"(Firms) cannot pocket aid and then put the key under the door and H >leave to develop elsewhere. It's a question of economic patriotism," he >said. > G >HP said in July it would axe about 10 percent of its work force to cut H >costs by $1.9 billion a year. The world's second-biggest computer makerB >has said a total of 2,500 jobs will go in Germany and Britain, in! >addition to the 1,240 in France.   : 	They shouldn't lay anyone off in Britain, but they should( totally pull out of Germany and France.    > D >The EU Commission has said it has no power to prevent HP dismissingF >workers. But France's conservative government has stepped up rhetoricE >over the case this week, making clear it is ready to put up a fight.  > D >Labour Relations Minister Gerard Larcher is set to meet Serafini on >Monday. > F >Villepin is trying to win back voters' confidence after they rejectedF >the European Union's constitution in a referendum in May. Many French5 >people said they voted "No" because of job concerns.  > H >Under a policy he calls economic patriotism, Villepin has vowed to takeA >a tough line against any moves by firms that are not in France's  >interests.  > F >The government is also drawing up a list of industries to keep out of >foreign hands.  > F >It has made clear it wants to stave off any hostile bid for food firmD >Danone (DANO.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) since rumours began thatG >U.S. drinks giant PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) might  >make a bid. > D >"It is time that France equips itself with an appropriate arsenal,"B >Villepin said in an interview published by Les Echos newspaper on0 >Friday. "We should compete with equal weapons." >  >  >  >More info :
 >--------- >  >http://hpwfr.blogspot.com/  >  >http://cftchp.blogspot.com/ > r >http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh08065_2005-09-23_15-26-04_l23191877_newsml   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:26:37 -0000  From: nospam@nohost.no.net- Subject: Headless Vaxstation 3100 Halt Enable 0 Message-ID: <11jl6gdeuh8luaa@corp.supernews.com>  F I've got a headless vaxstation 3100 model 38 acting as a server. It's G console is currently a terminal server but this is about to change. Is  I there any switch for halt enable on it so that it doesn't go back to the  A console prompt when the serial port gets a break in this set up?     Thanks.    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2005 05:51:13 -0700* From: "Alan Greig" <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: HSJ40 manualsC Message-ID: <1127911873.672410.188470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G Does anyone know of any online copies of the manuals for the HSJ40? I'm B looking at a system with a tape drive showing as "misconfigured noA device at..." but before I go swapping it out I'd like the actual  documentation in front of me.   F I'm fairly familiar with the HSZ controllers but not the HSJ. Is there? anything obvious I might be missing? I believe someone may have @ previously attempted to swap the unit while the (dual-redundant)B controllers were running. Could this have caused a problem? PleaseA don't say blown SCSI bus! Might something as simple as a "restart " other/this" sequence do the trick.  " You can see why I'd like the docs. --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:09:32 GMT & From: Lee Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: HSJ40 manuals- Message-ID: <0fz_e.194116$wr.157985@clgrps12>    Alan Greig wrote: I > Does anyone know of any online copies of the manuals for the HSJ40? I'm D > looking at a system with a tape drive showing as "misconfigured noC > device at..." but before I go swapping it out I'd like the actual  > documentation in front of me.  > H > I'm fairly familiar with the HSZ controllers but not the HSJ. Is thereA > anything obvious I might be missing? I believe someone may have B > previously attempted to swap the unit while the (dual-redundant)D > controllers were running. Could this have caused a problem? PleaseC > don't say blown SCSI bus! Might something as simple as a "restart $ > other/this" sequence do the trick. > $ > You can see why I'd like the docs.  4 If the lights on the controller show green , then it2 may be just be a matter of manual reconfiguration./ I encountered this error numerous times when we % still had HSJ's.  Connect to the HSJ.    HSJ> show tape  E Name          Type          Port Targ  Lun                    Used by N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  A TAPE140       tape             1    4    0                    T12    HSJ> show tape140   E Name          Type          Port Targ  Lun                    Used by N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  A TAPE140       tape             1    4    0                    T12 F            Misconfigured: No device at this PTL, please see user guide  + HSJ> del t12                       (Quick.) G HSJ> del t12 override              (If previous command does not work.)    HSJ> del tape140  8 HSJ> add tape tape140 1 4 0        (Takes longest time.)  * HSJ> add unit t12 tape140          (Quick)   HSJ> show tape  E Name          Type          Port Targ  Lun                    Used by N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  A TAPE140       tape             1    4    0                    T12   
 HSJ> show t12   1 MSCP unit                                    Uses > --------------------------------------------------------------  5    T12                                        TAPE140           Switches:;            DEFAULT_FORMAT = TZ89_COMPRESSION (CLI_SELECTED)           State:             AVAILABLE            No exclusive access            NOPREFERRED_PATH    HSJ> show tape140   E Name          Type          Port Targ  Lun                    Used by N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  A TAPE140       tape             1    4    0                    T12 )            DEC      TZ89     (C) DEC 2561             Switches:I           TRANSFER_RATE_REQUESTED = 10MHZ (synchronous 10 MHZ negotiated)  HSJ>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:06:49 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Re: HSJ40 manuals9 Message-ID: <J4A_e.6368$RW.959@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>    Lee Mah wrote: >  > 6 > If the lights on the controller show green , then it4 > may be just be a matter of manual reconfiguration.  3 Thanks. I'll give that a try when I get the chance.   1 > I encountered this error numerous times when we ' > still had HSJ's.  Connect to the HSJ.  >  > HSJ> show tape > G > Name          Type          Port Targ  Lun                    Used by Q > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   >  > C > TAPE140       tape             1    4    0                    T12  >  > HSJ> show tape140  > G > Name          Type          Port Targ  Lun                    Used by Q > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   >  > C > TAPE140       tape             1    4    0                    T12 G >           Misconfigured: No device at this PTL, please see user guide  > - > HSJ> del t12                       (Quick.) I > HSJ> del t12 override              (If previous command does not work.)  >  > HSJ> del tape140 > : > HSJ> add tape tape140 1 4 0        (Takes longest time.) > , > HSJ> add unit t12 tape140          (Quick) >  > HSJ> show tape > G > Name          Type          Port Targ  Lun                    Used by Q > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   >  > C > TAPE140       tape             1    4    0                    T12  >  > HSJ> show t12  > 3 > MSCP unit                                    Uses @ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > 6 >   T12                                        TAPE140 >         Switches: < >           DEFAULT_FORMAT = TZ89_COMPRESSION (CLI_SELECTED) >         State: >           AVAILABLE  >           No exclusive access  >           NOPREFERRED_PATH >  > HSJ> show tape140  > G > Name          Type          Port Targ  Lun                    Used by Q > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   >  > C > TAPE140       tape             1    4    0                    T12 * >           DEC      TZ89     (C) DEC 2561 >           Switches: J >          TRANSFER_RATE_REQUESTED = 10MHZ (synchronous 10 MHZ negotiated) > HSJ>   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2005 00:02:39 -0700& From: "Mister Q" <pquodling@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Jump to console ?C Message-ID: <1127890959.200632.138260@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>   D This typically means that your SRM Firmware has been corrupted.  you7 will need to reload it, probably from failsafe mode...     Peter Q    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:42:48 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>  Subject: Re: Kea and VMS8 Message-ID: <7u1lj1da6cen7dfii8qb2e9p2jojqjnq9l@4ax.com>  K On 26 Sep 2005 12:08:18 -0500, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   t >In article <1127751894.828282.271480@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Doug Phillips" <dphill46@netscape.net> writes: >>   >>  E >> IIRC, the "colors" in KEA!420 are assigned locally to various ANSI C >> attributes, i.e. text & background for bold, reverse, underline,  >> reverse-bold, blink, etc. > C >   Some VT's also do colors.  I wonder which the OP really wanted.   J The Kea colours are assigned locally. I don't see that there is any way ofP returning what they are set to. It's rather like the colour options for a VT220,I orangeish, greyish or greenish it's just a matter of personal preference.   P The question to ask the OP is why he needs to know what colour the text has been set to.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2005 08:47:10 -0700( From: John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com% Subject: OpenVMS Hobby Licence Issues B Message-ID: <1127922430.716932.18930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   Some basic advise please...   F I have a MicoVAX3100-40 running OpenVMS7.3. My licence came along with my purchase of the Vax.   G I want to add extra software TCP/IP, C etc. I have purchased my OpenVMS G Hobby CD (v7.3) and joined UK HPUG and got my licence, in the form of a G command file. I have not yet tried installing this command file over my $ current VMS, or a fresh VMS install.  
 Questions.  C 1. My current licence is open ended time wise. The Hobbyist licence E expires after 1 year, am I right in assuming you just request another G licence and run the provided command file? Presumably VMS lets you into : the system to do this even if the old licence has expired?  F 2. Does the single hobby licence act as a licence for add on kits likeE C? I have tried running VMSInstal to instal the C kit and it does not G find a valid licence for it, no surprise I guess. It also fails because G there are not some 5000 contiguous blocks available, do I need a SysGen G change to cure the later? (My system disk is 2GB with only VMS and some  20MB of user files on it!)  G 3. Can I just run the OpenVMS Licence command file to cure all ills and  then install the addon kits?  G I appreciate these questions probably pretty basic, so basic that noone D seems to have bothered to leave answers lying around. Thanks for any help.    John   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:09:20 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: m.kraemer@biors6a.gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobby Licence Issues 5 Message-ID: <dhef7g$sjn$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   B In article <1127922430.716932.18930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,* John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com writes: > Some basic advise please...  >  > I > 3. Can I just run the OpenVMS Licence command file to cure all ills and  > then install the addon kits?  & I don't know if it will cure all ills,7 but I found it less of a hassle to run the license file > first, because some of the kits won't install without license.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:17:12 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobby Licence Issues : Message-ID: <seA_e.6372$RW.1087@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>  ) John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com wrote:   H > 2. Does the single hobby licence act as a licence for add on kits likeG > C? I have tried running VMSInstal to instal the C kit and it does not I > find a valid licence for it, no surprise I guess. It also fails because I > there are not some 5000 contiguous blocks available, do I need a SysGen I > change to cure the later? (My system disk is 2GB with only VMS and some  > 20MB of user files on it!)  F There's some documentation which you should have in text format which G you should be able to find in the same place you found the C Kit. That  D will explain what you need to do. The problem you are seeing is not I referring to blocks on disk but read the doc file and it should be clear.    > I > 3. Can I just run the OpenVMS Licence command file to cure all ills and  > then install the addon kits?  F Yes but read the installation docs first. Some kits will work without ) changes. Some won't on a "virgin" system.   I > I appreciate these questions probably pretty basic, so basic that noone F > seems to have bothered to leave answers lying around. Thanks for any > help.  >  > John >    --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:25:22 +0000 (UTC) . From: klewis@LUMINA.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobby Licence Issues - Message-ID: <dhejm2$nf$1@newslocal.mitre.org>    John.Martin_At_Home@BTInternet.com writes in article <1127922430.716932.18930@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> dated 28 Sep 2005 08:47:10 -0700: G >I have a MicoVAX3100-40 running OpenVMS7.3. My licence came along with  >my purchase of the Vax. > H >I want to add extra software TCP/IP, C etc. I have purchased my OpenVMSH >Hobby CD (v7.3) and joined UK HPUG and got my licence, in the form of aH >command file. I have not yet tried installing this command file over my% >current VMS, or a fresh VMS install.  >  >Questions.  > D >1. My current licence is open ended time wise. The Hobbyist licenceF >expires after 1 year, am I right in assuming you just request anotherH >licence and run the provided command file? Presumably VMS lets you into; >the system to do this even if the old licence has expired?   J If the licenses are expired, you can boot and log into the console but notB in graphics mode and the network is disabled.  If you were alreadyI booted and/or logged in before they expired, you might be a little better K off.  The best thing is to remember to get new licenses before the old ones  expire.   G >2. Does the single hobby licence act as a licence for add on kits like F >C? I have tried running VMSInstal to instal the C kit and it does notH >find a valid licence for it, no surprise I guess. It also fails becauseH >there are not some 5000 contiguous blocks available, do I need a SysGenH >change to cure the later? (My system disk is 2GB with only VMS and some >20MB of user files on it!)   L You need to request the "layered products" licenses, which is a long list of PAKs.     H >3. Can I just run the OpenVMS Licence command file to cure all ills and >then install the addon kits?   G If you already have a base license, you probably don't need OPENVMS-VAX H hobbyist (unless you want to exceed the number of users specified in theD original license).  You do need the "layered products" package, as I mentioned above.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:14:16 +0200 3 From: "Dr. Dweeb" <NOSPAM_5msg0h202@sneakemail.com> # Subject: Re: Remote backups via WAN = Message-ID: <433186d8$0$78279$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: E > In article <1127186791.051886.133560@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, 0 > "Scott  Coats" <scott.coats@gmail.com> writes:C >> I am trying to setup a remote OpenVMS system and would like some E >> ideas as to how to keep the two systems data current.  The link is G >> via a VPN over a 5 MB connection.  The systems need to be OpenVMS of B >> Alphas.  The data needs to be as current as our nightly backup. > C >  In addition to the "tell us more" request in another reply, some  >  things to consider... > C >  Remote BACKUP is available using various tools, and a home-grown F >  approach using DECnet task-to-task is discussed in the OpenVMS FAQ. > B >  Getting the data over to the remote site is usually easier thanB >  restoring the data -- that's the one area where I've seen folksC >  run into problems.  Particularly around the initial system load, * >  for instance, if the system disk fails. > ? >  Databases and tools such as RTR can provide synchronization.  > : >  Beware BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK.  (See the OpenVMS FAQ.) > @ >  Oh, and never underestimate the bandwidth of a delivery truckB >  filled with DLT cartridges.  Latency is iffy, but the aggregate >  bandwidth is huge...   M Hehehe.  Reminds me of incident where it was the bandwidth of a 747 carrying   a crate of harddisks - lol   Dweeb  >  > 1 > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> A >    ----------------------------- For additional, please see the F > OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq ---------------------------? >        pure personal opinion --------------------------- Hoff ; > (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com     ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2005 07:44:21 -07001 From: "Leigh" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>  Subject: SC008/Star Couplers. C Message-ID: <1127918661.693788.289260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   C I would like some guidance on some older pieces of DEC/VAX hardware  most of this is before my time.   G There is a VAX6610 connected to quite a lot of disks in SA800 and SA600 E cabinets with various RA92/72 type disks. I believe the disks are not D directly attached to the VAX but via a SC008 Star Coupler to a HSC90G which in turn is connected to the disks. As far as I am aware these are > the only two items connected to the Coupler. I want to add twoG StorageWorks arrays with shelves and a few disks inside (very few). One F array has one a HSJ40 inside and the other has a HSJ40C. The connectorD for this appears like a D long D shape like a shrunken parallel portE with four "teeth". These look like miniture co-ax connectors although * I'd sort of assumed they were fibre based.  G Does the coupler have to have any special additional parts to work with % the HSJ's or is just a special cable?   D Does the Coupler attach an ID to the items or is it merely what's at the end of a port?  E The coupler can have 8 "devices" attached. Do the HSJ's appear as one  or two devices each?  F I find this to be bit of a grey area so if anybody has any handy hints1 or gotchas to look out for I would appreciate it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:19:32 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> L Subject: Re: Tentative DCL suggestion: string return value from .COM (Hello,0 Message-ID: <11j5ihphe09iu09@corp.supernews.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:V > In article <X9rPqE5LCU+M@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes: >  > D >>One of your users decides to use $ SPAWN /NOWAIT or otherwise getsF >>two concurrent threads of execution going in the same job tree.  And3 >>he runs some of your standard code that uses FOO.  >>E >>If those two threads use FOO at the same time, one thread might see / >>the status code produced by the other thread.  >>. >>That's the race condition I'm talking about. >  > E > I believe that is a programming error so grievous that it cannot be  > called a "race condition". > ? > One could use global variables safely by qualifying each name < > with the name of the invoking procedure and making them beC > process logical names.  Have the invoking procedure pass the name  > in as a symbol or parameter. > - > At that point this discussion becomes moot.  > G > A similar discussion has taken place for compiled languages regarding H > the passing of complex data structures to exception handlers.  At someG > point the handling of exceptional circumstances becomes top heavy and 5 > introduces more vulnerabilities than it eliminates.   G Lots of details, but to me the basic question is why a /JOB logical is  A used instead of a process local logical?  No connection to other  I processes.  I didn't see any requirement for inter-process communication  E in prior posts.  The idea seems sound.  The implementation is flawed.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:33:08 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.com* Subject: Re: Why won't HP send me VMS 8.2?Q Message-ID: <OFB56A5E9D.B3DB53E9-ON8525708A.004A4538-8525708A.004A7211@metso.com>   D "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote on 09/27/2005 09:03:37 PM:   > @ > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message( > news:SxRRRQ4M0bW2@malvm9.mala.bc.ca... > > 7 > > Up until last March I subscribed to the QL-MT3AA-H8 5 > > (OVMS Alpha+VAX Bin+OL Doc CD) service and always - > > received VMS updates in a timely fashion. 3 > > In April of this year I switched to part number 8 > > QA-5FX8A-A8 (OpenVMS Alpha Software Layered Products8 > > and Operating System Library) since I no longer have5 > > any VAX systems and it was cheaper to get the O/S 1 > > and layered products in the same kit. Or so I  > > thought ...  > > / > > I continue to receive the quarterly layered 3 > > product distributions but I've never received a 0 > > copy of VMS 8.2 ( which was released after I0 > > changed part numbers ). When I questioned HP2 > > about this they indicated I wasn't entitled to8 > > O/S distributions under this new part number ( which2 > > seems to fly in the face of the description of2 > > the part number which says "complete Operating1 > > System kit". I pointed out this inconsistancy 4 > > to them a week ago but have heard nothing since. > > 7 > > I guess what I'm asking for is a reality check, can 4 > > someone out there confirm that they subscribe to5 > > QA-5FX8A-A8 and that they have received a VMS 8.2 4 > > distribution ( the approximate date you received7 > > it would be helpful too ). Or, have I misunderstood / > > the phrase "Complete Operating system kit"?  > >  > > Thanks in advance. > > > > I currently receive 8.2 and subscribe to this kit "QA-5G98A"  < As I read the second URL, below, you meant "QT-5G98A-C8" and4 none of these pages mention I64 versions of OpenVMS. What's a body to think?    > 6 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/swroll/spl.html > ( > http://www1.sqp.com/SPLofferings.shtml >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >  >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2005.542 ************************