1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 03 Apr 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 184       Contents:. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS. Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS$ Re: Problem Restated:  OPA0 on DS10L& TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures* RE: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures! Week Of March 27 Boot Camp update   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:39:27 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS : Message-ID: <CY2dnQFrBZn4h63ZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@bresnan.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <CvOdnRBaAMBkIbPZRVn-hg@bresnan.com>,' > 	GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> writes:  >  >>Michael Kraemer wrote: >> >> >>>GreyCloud schrieb:  >>>  >>> L >>>>Yet no one could crack VMS at the Las Vegas DEFCON trials.  How is that? >>>  >>> 5 >>>That's nothing, because it doesn't prove anything, > >>>except that at that particular event people didn't succeed./ >>>And as others (e.g. BillG) have pointed out, 2 >>>the most probable reason is, that those hackers. >>>simply are not interested in an obscure OS.6 >>>Anyway, following scientific logic, you can't prove5 >>>that something doesn't exist, e.g. a hack for VMS. 8 >>>You can't even prove that Santa Clause doesn't exist.M >>>(Although Santa Clause's existence is much less likely than a hacked VMS). / >>>If you want to do your favorite OS a favour, 9 >>>don't come up with that old story over and over again. H >>>Better find something positive, more visible to a potential end user. >>>  >>@ >>Tell that to those that use VMS in the stock market exchanges. >  > = > The stock market exchange machines are not on the INTERNET.  >  > ? >>Tell that to US military that still has contracts for JStars.  >  >   > JStars is not on the INTERNET. >  > What exactly was your point?  < Simple.  Reliability, fault tolerant, and disaster recovery.   > H > And, just as a point of reference, JStars is ancient (or should I justH > use the "legacy" word!)  None of the current replacement projects thatK > are being worked on (that I have become aware of) utilize VMS in any way.  >  > bill >      --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:40:37 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS : Message-ID: <CY2dnQBrBZk3h63ZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@bresnan.com>   JF Mezei wrote:    > GreyCloud wrote: > @ >>Tell that to those that use VMS in the stock market exchanges.? >>Tell that to US military that still has contracts for JStars.  >  >  > J > If VMS is going to be competing in the same niche markets as Tandem/NSK,G > is there a point for the owner of both VMS and NSK to maintain both ?  > H > VMS was downsized by its owners to a point where it is only in a niche: > market despite it being a very capable operating system. > I > NSK was never designed to be versatile. It is very specialised. VMS was H > not designed to be specialised. It is very versatile. And the owner is- > purposefully not leveraging this potential.   5 It is the purpose that we need to know about and why.      --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2006 12:23:00 -0700  From: davidc@montagar.com 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS C Message-ID: <1144005780.170498.106940@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   F I think he means that many people perceive a hung X server incorrectly; as a system crash.  After all, they are used to the Windows ) environment, where this is actually true.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:08:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS , Message-ID: <44302F39.3250F24F@teksavvy.com>  @ > >> The stock market exchange machines are not on the INTERNET.    H But the stock market companies have large web sites. (NASDAQ has its webE site running on Windows). If that web site is compromises in any way, C the bad publicity will give that exchange a very bad reputation and 5 people won't trust the rest of its IT infrastructure.   H NASDAQ was probably paid a very large sum of money by Microsoft to frontG its web site on Wintel crap, money to compensate for the higher risk of E its web site being compromised, and for the fact that its web site is > designed for and by microsoft software and not HTML compliant.  
 Money talks.    E Remember when Microsoft struck a deal with the Wall Street Journal so G that users of Microsoft software could access their web site for free ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:23:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Opinion: I was just trying to sell OpenVMS , Message-ID: <443032C3.ED9F74C8@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:F > No. all it requires is that there be no direct outside access.  OnceE > you breech physical security (usually using social engineering, not J > technology) all bets are off.  And even VMS can't protect you from that!    E When I worked on the ST400 SWIFT application, it was a real mess as a F system manager. However, it was damned difficult if not impossible forF me to inject transactions into the system. The jobs that the operatorsG ran every night only sent "account summaries" to other banks, and their C account was configured so it could not send real transactions, they " could send only account summaries.  E As a system manager, I definitely could look at the data. and I could G have injected transactions, but they would have been refused due to bad * checksums and due to bad sequence numbers.  E So it is possible to architect an application so that even the system > manager cannot perform fraud.  However, if I colluded with theH application manager, then both of us could have done stuff and worked to erase the trails.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:16:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: Problem Restated:  OPA0 on DS10L , Message-ID: <44303115.14245EE4@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote:  > NORNS> set host/dte opa0 > ' > %REM-I-TOQUIT, connection established  > / > Press Ctrl/\ to quit, Ctrl/@ for command mode  >  > U  > & > %REM-E-PORTRXERR, port receive error$ > -SYSTEM-W-DATAOVERUN, data overrun > Username: Username: R\= > Too many parameters - reenter command with fewer parameters  >   \R\\ > Username:  > Username: Password:  > Password:  > User authorization failure > Username:  > Username: tr > Error reading command input  > File read error ; > Data overrun  <-----------------------  Hangs  hit return     E What this doesn't show is whether this is just buffered data or if it + actually happens AFTER you've SET HOST/DTE.   H I.E. did SET HOST/DTE just dump the data already in the typeahead bufferC ? You would have to qualify if the above data stream happened quite O quickly, or whether you actually saw some interaction between the two machines.   D One way you could test it is to physically unplug the cable from theE local OPA0 (on the node you are typing the SET HOST/DTE command. Then E you do the SET HOST/DTE to OPA0. Since there is no cable connected to G it, you should be getting no data at all. If you do get stuff as above, H it means it is in the typeahead buffer. Once it has been flushed and youC are sure there is no data, then you can plug in the cable and press  return to see what happens.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2006 16:31:25 -0700 . From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>/ Subject: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures B Message-ID: <1144020685.432713.65550@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Hi,   
 *** In words: 7 I have installed TCPIP V5.4 on my OpenVMS V7.3-2 Alpha.   F My OpenVMS Alpha is on a small Linksys BEFSR41 LAN along with my Win2KG box. I would like to be able to telnet/X from Win2K to OpenVMS. I would ; also like to have an OpenVMS NFS share accessible by Win2K.   G The Alpha. has 2 ethernet network cards. If I've got this right, as you > face the rear of the Alpha, the lowermost card (next to serialG interfaces, etc.) is WE0. The other interface is WE1. My ethernet cable  is attached to WE0.   A My Win2K system accesses the net (and the Linksys router) with no > problems. However, the Win2K system can't/doesn't successfullyG ping/telnet/ftp to the OpenVMS box on WE0. For some strange reason, you D can get a ping/ftp through on an alternate (see below) IP-address. IG can't get a telnet through on the alternate IP-address. The OpenVMS box @ cannot ping/telnet/ftp the Win2K box. And, often as not, you getG timeouts for those things that do work (see below). The OpenVMS box can  ping the Linksys router.  < Both the Win2K and OpenVMS platforms can ping/telnet/ftp  to themselves.    *** In versions and commands: * The Linksys router is at firmware V1.46.2.  C The Linksys box does static IP-addressing. It is 192.168.1.1 with a $ submask of 255.255.255.0 (MTU 1500).F The Win2K box has an IP-address/mask of 192.168.1.2/255.255.255.0 with default gateway of 192.168.1.1. C The OpenVMS system has IP-address/mask of 192.168.1.5/255.255.255.0 ; with default gateway of 192.168.1.1. The IP-address/mask of D 192.168.1.6/255.255.255.0 was my attempt to use failover-IP with the second ethernet card.    On OpenVMS:  show interface: $ L00      127.0.0.1         255.0.0.0$ WE0    192.168.1.5     255.255.255.0# WEB0  192.168.1.5     255.255.255.0 $ WE1    192.168.1.6     255.255.255.0   show route: % AN  0.0.0.0               192.168.1.1 " AH  127.0.0.1            127.0.0.1! AN  192.168.1.0/24    192.168.1.6 ! AN  192.168.1.0.24    192.168.1.5 # AH  192.168.1.5         192.168.1.5 # AH  192.168.1.6         192.168.1.6    show hosts:  127.0.0.1       localhost  192.168.1.2   unit01 192.168.1.5   unit02 192.168.1.6   unit02 192.168.1.1   sector00  C If anyone has any thoughts or a working, similar configuration, I'd  really appreciate it.    Chuck   9 P.S. Here's the most successful thing I've gotten so far: > C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.UNIT00>ftp 192.168.1.6 Connected to 192.168.1.6. 6 220 UNIT02.Schnoot.com FTP Server (Version 5.4) Ready.! User (192.168.1.6:(none)): system ' 331 Username system requires a Password 	 Password:  230 User logged in.  ftp> dir 200 PORT command successful.4 425-Can't build data connection for 192.168.1.2,4502 425 device timeout   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:25:27 -0400@ From: "Koska, John C. \(LNG-ALB\)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>3 Subject: RE: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures R Message-ID: <D8D507FABDE21843BD4BD5791ADCB12A4343F4@LNGALBEXCP01VA.legal.regn.net>  H I'm betting that it is how you have the Alpha and the PC cabled into theF Linksys.  I believe that model of Linksys is one that has VPN endpointF with DMZ port.  I am guesing you have one or the other of the Alpha orF PC hooked into the DMZ port.  If they are in ports 1, 2, or 3 (the DMZE port is port 4 as I recall), then they should be allowed to "talk" to D one another if on the same subnet, which the info you provided belowH seems to indicate.  However, if one or the other (Alpha or PC) is hookedB to the DMZ port, then I believe you will need to go to the LinksysD website to configure the DMZ port to be open to the IP addresses andF subnet you choose.  I don't have the Linksys website link handy, but IF know the Linksys router ships with an installation CD that effectively; gets you to the Linksys configuration weblink, and lets you ! (re)configure the Linksys router.   F If I understand correctly, both Alpha and PC talk to the Internet, but just not to each other, right?  G I hope I am right, and the above helps.  Otherwise, unless someone else C has a clue, it probably means you will have to contact Linksys tech < support to get the router configured properly, and/or other.  E One more thing, under your "show route", I think you have a typo with = "." in place of "/" in the line between the 0 and 24 ... " AN G 192.168.1.0.24    192.168.1.5".  If not, then that may be your problem.    :) jck   -----Original Message-----6 From: Schnootling [mailto:chuckmoore55@hotmail.com]=20$ Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 7:31 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com / Subject: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures    Hi,   
 *** In words: 7 I have installed TCPIP V5.4 on my OpenVMS V7.3-2 Alpha.   F My OpenVMS Alpha is on a small Linksys BEFSR41 LAN along with my Win2KG box. I would like to be able to telnet/X from Win2K to OpenVMS. I would ; also like to have an OpenVMS NFS share accessible by Win2K.   G The Alpha. has 2 ethernet network cards. If I've got this right, as you > face the rear of the Alpha, the lowermost card (next to serialG interfaces, etc.) is WE0. The other interface is WE1. My ethernet cable  is attached to WE0.   A My Win2K system accesses the net (and the Linksys router) with no > problems. However, the Win2K system can't/doesn't successfullyG ping/telnet/ftp to the OpenVMS box on WE0. For some strange reason, you D can get a ping/ftp through on an alternate (see below) IP-address. IG can't get a telnet through on the alternate IP-address. The OpenVMS box @ cannot ping/telnet/ftp the Win2K box. And, often as not, you getG timeouts for those things that do work (see below). The OpenVMS box can  ping the Linksys router.  < Both the Win2K and OpenVMS platforms can ping/telnet/ftp  to themselves.    *** In versions and commands: * The Linksys router is at firmware V1.46.2.  C The Linksys box does static IP-addressing. It is 192.168.1.1 with a $ submask of 255.255.255.0 (MTU 1500).F The Win2K box has an IP-address/mask of 192.168.1.2/255.255.255.0 with default gateway of 192.168.1.1. C The OpenVMS system has IP-address/mask of 192.168.1.5/255.255.255.0 ; with default gateway of 192.168.1.1. The IP-address/mask of D 192.168.1.6/255.255.255.0 was my attempt to use failover-IP with the second ethernet card.    On OpenVMS:  show interface: $ L00      127.0.0.1         255.0.0.0$ WE0    192.168.1.5     255.255.255.0# WEB0  192.168.1.5     255.255.255.0 $ WE1    192.168.1.6     255.255.255.0   show route: % AN  0.0.0.0               192.168.1.1 " AH  127.0.0.1            127.0.0.1! AN  192.168.1.0/24    192.168.1.6 ! AN  192.168.1.0.24    192.168.1.5 # AH  192.168.1.5         192.168.1.5 # AH  192.168.1.6         192.168.1.6    show hosts:  127.0.0.1       localhost  192.168.1.2   unit01 192.168.1.5   unit02 192.168.1.6   unit02 192.168.1.1   sector00  C If anyone has any thoughts or a working, similar configuration, I'd  really appreciate it.    Chuck   9 P.S. Here's the most successful thing I've gotten so far: > C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator.UNIT00>ftp 192.168.1.6 Connected to 192.168.1.6. 6 220 UNIT02.Schnoot.com FTP Server (Version 5.4) Ready.! User (192.168.1.6:(none)): system ' 331 Username system requires a Password 	 Password:  230 User logged in.  ftp> dir 200 PORT command successful.4 425-Can't build data connection for 192.168.1.2,4502 425 device timeout   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Apr 2006 18:16:31 -0700 ) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> * Subject: Week Of March 27 Boot Camp updateB Message-ID: <1144026991.086573.89390@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   Dear Newsgroup,   G Sorry I thought I posted this on Friday when I mailed this to the email  distribution lists.   C Here is this weeks OpenVMS Advanced technical Boot Camp Update. You D will notice that we are down to 64 available seats.  If you have any2 questions please do not hesitate to send me email.   Registration Goal 200  Seats Committed =  136
 % full =  68%  Seats available =  64  Registered = 126 % of new attendees =  37%  % of repeat attendees = 63%  Weeks until Boot Camp 7  Countries represented = 12    . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html    @ Warm Regards as always and thank you for your continued support.   Sue    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.184 ************************      