1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Apr 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 186       Contents:+ HP seriously misrepresents Itanic yet again 5 Looking for power supply/supplies for DS20e in Europe 9 Re: Looking for power supply/supplies for DS20e in Europe 6 Re: looking for used DEC hardware (D,NL,B,UK,DK,S,N,F)6 Re: looking for used DEC hardware (D,NL,B,UK,DK,S,N,F)6 Re: looking for used DEC hardware (D,NL,B,UK,DK,S,N,F)- Re: Medusa V7 with Decwindows and Vax VMS 5.x - Re: Medusa V7 with Decwindows and Vax VMS 5.x  OT: Study on Phishing  Re: Remvoing LAT Messages  Re: Remvoing LAT Messages * Re: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures* Re: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures* RE: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures WordPerfect 7 for VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 23:50:01 -0400 ( From: Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net>4 Subject: HP seriously misrepresents Itanic yet again= Message-ID: <TZadnWvLwM53cazZRVn-jA@metrocastcablevision.com>   @ Last summer, one of HP's Itanic presentations was still touting F Montecito as a 2 - 2.5 GHz product with Montvale at 2.5 - 3 GHz, well G after it had become evident (and later confirmed by Intel itself) that  F Montecito (which was about to slip *another* 9 months) would be a 1.6 F GHz product and Montvale (slipped into 2007) would be a 2 GHz product D (or perhaps 2.2 GHz on workloads that its 'Foxton' technology could  accelerate).  A You'd think the HP flacks would have learned something about the  H credibility problems associated with spewing seriously out-of-date (and G wildly over-optimistic) information, but they appear to be at it again  3 in this presentation dated less than a month ago (  h http://h71000.www7.hp.com/presentations/openvms_customer_conference_emea/Server_roadmap_performance.pdf I - watch for line wrap).  Slides 10 and 11 extol the wonders of Itanic as  I contrasted with its sibling Xeon (Opteron discussion being conspicuously  D absent, which given the potential embarrassment to Itanic is hardly  surprising).  C "Itanium platform cost parity with Xeon by 2007", "common platform  D components", "up to 2x Xeon application performance, cores per die,  price/performance".   G Have these people had their heads wedged firmly up their rear ends for  F the past year?  Did they miss Montecito's slip to 2006 (leaving aside H its disappointing clock rate), Montvale's to 2007 (with same clock-rate F disappointment), Tukwila's to 2008?  The now-scheduled replacement of G the hot, maxed-out Netburst Xeon architecture by the 'next generation'  C Israeli-derived products that promise to leave Itanic even farther  H behind x86 in price/performance (and in at least some areas in absolute F performance) than it is today?  The lack of any such 'common platform  components' until 2008 - 2009?  G The answer to most of those questions, as it turns out in slide 16, is  E no:  they apparently just don't think that customers will notice the  F liberties with the truth that they took earlier by presenting 'facts' F that had at best marginal credibility when they were first aired last B year, let alone now that major changes in Intel's plans have been  formally announced.    - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 20:11:20 +0200+ From: Marc Schlensog <fishtank.spam@web.de> > Subject: Looking for power supply/supplies for DS20e in Europe: Message-ID: <20060403201120.59db34e4.fishtank.spam@web.de>  > I recently got a DS20e for free, which has one defective powerF supply/unit/module (whatchamacallit), thus the system shuts down afterE a couple of minutes. Is there anyone in Europe who is able to help me G out with one or two supplies? Additionally, if anyone is having a spare D 667MHz CPU which isn't needed anymore, I'd be very interested in it.? David: as much as I like what you do to keep up the supply with F relatively cheap alpha hardware, you're unfortunately still way beyond what I can afford. Sorry.    TIA & regards,   Marc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:39:16 -0400* From: "d b turner" <dbturner@islandco.com>B Subject: Re: Looking for power supply/supplies for DS20e in Europe7 Message-ID: <bcjYf.6991$L7.2334@bignews2.bellsouth.net>   
 Awwww, O K   ;0(    dt9 "Marc Schlensog" <fishtank.spam@web.de> wrote in message  4 news:20060403201120.59db34e4.fishtank.spam@web.de...? >I recently got a DS20e for free, which has one defective power H > supply/unit/module (whatchamacallit), thus the system shuts down afterG > a couple of minutes. Is there anyone in Europe who is able to help me I > out with one or two supplies? Additionally, if anyone is having a spare F > 667MHz CPU which isn't needed anymore, I'd be very interested in it.A > David: as much as I like what you do to keep up the supply with H > relatively cheap alpha hardware, you're unfortunately still way beyond > what I can afford. Sorry.  >  > TIA & regards, >  > Marc     ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2006 11:07:01 -0700 ' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> ? Subject: Re: looking for used DEC hardware (D,NL,B,UK,DK,S,N,F) B Message-ID: <1144087621.312889.52770@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>   rz40s   (rz1dd)    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2006 18:32:54 -0500 2 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)? Subject: Re: looking for used DEC hardware (D,NL,B,UK,DK,S,N,F) 3 Message-ID: <PqaEmj9JgZQu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   O In article <op.s7f0s6gczgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: L > On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:22:39 -0700, syslost <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote: > % >> I have about 15 rz26s and 30 rz28s  >>G >> The company I work for is going to be replacing them, Ill see what I  >> can work out. >>: > Just out of curiosity, with what are you replacing them?   RZ29s?   :-)    --  O   Bob Kaplow   NAR # 18L   >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< E Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  K Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to   a teenage boy. -- P. J. O'Rourke   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:02:34 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>? Subject: Re: looking for used DEC hardware (D,NL,B,UK,DK,S,N,F) 6 Message-ID: <4431D3BA.9347EB03@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bob Kaplow wrote:  > [snip]  % Bob! Good to see you "out and about"!    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:59:36 -0400* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>6 Subject: Re: Medusa V7 with Decwindows and Vax VMS 5.x, Message-ID: <44316289$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  0 "nst" <NorbertATstadlersDOTnet> wrote in message# news:44314cfb$1@news.arcor-ip.de...  > 7 > "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote in message ( > news:44311765$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > >  > > G > Fred, when PTC sold Medusa in 2001/2002 to Schroer I think all legacy  > implementations got lost.  > 	 > Norbert  >   J Well.  Like I said, I know nothing.  It looks like the only info I can seeC doeing a quick search is Medusa 2003-200.  Why not contact Schroer?    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2006 11:25:40 -0700 2 From: "vaxorcist" <hoelscher-kirchbrak@freenet.de>6 Subject: Re: Medusa V7 with Decwindows and Vax VMS 5.xC Message-ID: <1144088740.624381.161230@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   G I used to work with MEDUSA from V7 and V12 under VMS some years ago and ? have V7 still running under VMS and - excuse me - Windows, too.     I think I might be able to help.  D As I collect old Software I'd be interested in MEDUSA V6 software to run under VMS V4.   D Besides, what do you need DECwindows for? We ran MEDUSA V7 under VWS with no problems.   C I think you could as well do your conversion under Windows - MEDUSA C sheets are said to be binary compatible between different operating  systems.   Regards    Ulli   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:38:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: OT: Study on Phishing, Message-ID: <4431DC2E.209E07F4@teksavvy.com>  D http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~rachna/papers/why_phishing_works.pdf  F Good to read to understand how  "today's" internet users get caught byF phising because of the way they use their browsers and not notice theyG are on a fake web site.  You can use thsi information to better educate E the users on yoru company to ensure they can recognize these tactics.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:41:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Remvoing LAT Messages, Message-ID: <44315E39.A3202189@teksavvy.com>  + $MC REMVOING LAT /LOG  should do the trick.   B However, the REMVOING utility is not present on all VMS systems byH default.  It may not be present on your system. And finding this utility may be problematic.     G The first batch of error messages you are seeing is probably the result H of the system manager commenting out a LATCP command, but not commentingG out LATCP commands that followed. As a result, these LATCP commands are # interpreted by DCL which complains.     1 In your SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM you are likely to find:   . $! Start LAT and define the laser printer port% $@sys$startup:lat$startup  nodename - /         "/IDENTIFICATION=""""Node nodename"""""  $!   You should remove this.   . If this is not in your systartup_vms.com, try   	 MC SYSMAN  SYSMAN> STARTUP SHOW FILES  F @SYSTARTUP:LAT$STARTUP calls LAT$SYSTARTUP.COM in sys$manager. This isH the site specific command procedure that creates the LAT ports etc. ThisF si probably the file that a system manager would have updated, insteadP of simply removing the invocation of LAT$STARTUP from the system boot procedure.  D Also, you need to make sure none of your print queues are devined to poing to an LTAxxx: device.    If none of this works, use :  $ SEARCH SYS$STARTUP:*.COM LAT$STARTUP  I This would give you a clue on which command procedure invokes lat$startup    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2006 12:16:44 -0700 + From: "Shawn M." <shawnm1964@sbcglobal.net> " Subject: Re: Remvoing LAT MessagesB Message-ID: <1144091804.694588.41220@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>  : Thanks to all of you for helping with this, I have removedC @sys$startup:lat$startup from my startup script and will see how it + reacts during the next reboot this weekend.   
 Thanks Again.    Shawn    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:06:16 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>3 Subject: Re: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures 6 Message-ID: <4431D498.3E4C3B61@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Schnootling wrote: >  > Hi,  >  > *** In words: 9 > I have installed TCPIP V5.4 on my OpenVMS V7.3-2 Alpha.  > H > My OpenVMS Alpha is on a small Linksys BEFSR41 LAN along with my Win2KI > box. I would like to be able to telnet/X from Win2K to OpenVMS. I would = > also like to have an OpenVMS NFS share accessible by Win2K.  > I > The Alpha. has 2 ethernet network cards. If I've got this right, as you @ > face the rear of the Alpha, the lowermost card (next to serialI > interfaces, etc.) is WE0. The other interface is WE1. My ethernet cable  > is attached to WE0.  > C > My Win2K system accesses the net (and the Linksys router) with no @ > problems. However, the Win2K system can't/doesn't successfullyI > ping/telnet/ftp to the OpenVMS box on WE0. For some strange reason, you F > can get a ping/ftp through on an alternate (see below) IP-address. II > can't get a telnet through on the alternate IP-address. The OpenVMS box B > cannot ping/telnet/ftp the Win2K box. And, often as not, you getI > timeouts for those things that do work (see below). The OpenVMS box can  > ping the Linksys router. > > > Both the Win2K and OpenVMS platforms can ping/telnet/ftp  to
 > themselves.  >  > *** In versions and commands: , > The Linksys router is at firmware V1.46.2. > E > The Linksys box does static IP-addressing. It is 192.168.1.1 with a & > submask of 255.255.255.0 (MTU 1500).H > The Win2K box has an IP-address/mask of 192.168.1.2/255.255.255.0 with! > default gateway of 192.168.1.1. E > The OpenVMS system has IP-address/mask of 192.168.1.5/255.255.255.0 = > with default gateway of 192.168.1.1. The IP-address/mask of F > 192.168.1.6/255.255.255.0 was my attempt to use failover-IP with the > second ethernet card.  > 
 > On OpenVMS:  > show interface: & > L00      127.0.0.1         255.0.0.0& > WE0    192.168.1.5     255.255.255.0% > WEB0  192.168.1.5     255.255.255.0 & > WE1    192.168.1.6     255.255.255.0 > 
 > show route: ' > AN  0.0.0.0               192.168.1.1 $ > AH  127.0.0.1            127.0.0.1# > AN  192.168.1.0/24    192.168.1.6 # > AN  192.168.1.0.24    192.168.1.5 % > AH  192.168.1.5         192.168.1.5 % > AH  192.168.1.6         192.168.1.6  > [snip]  
 Hi, Chuck,  - You'll want to check out this post of mine to < vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx. Note the lack of response to it:   http://groups.google.com/group/vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx/browse_frm/thread/c97e607f0d1ebc99/64baccc5a2a4987d?hl=en#64baccc5a2a4987d   Sorry if the long URL wraps.  C Essentially with UCX, having two interfaces on the same subnet is a B major no-no since you can't defeat the round robin routing without$ manually editing the dynamic routes.  A This is a known issue. The support folks are stumped. I've opened F numerous tickets, none of which have lead to a resolution. There is noC known fix, and only the one known work-around (manually editing the  dynamic routes).   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Apr 2006 19:31:34 -0700 . From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>3 Subject: Re: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures C Message-ID: <1144117894.315179.315360@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   5 Hello John and John (and Dave who sent me an e-mail),    As I replied to John Santos:  E I just verified the PC is attached to port 1 (it had been in port 4).   The Alpha is attached to port 2.  D The router's front lights show that both links are active and are at; 100Mbs. However, the Alpha's full/col (?) light is NOT lit.   E Everything's still the (unworking) same: I get 50% packet loss when I ! try a PING from the Win2K. Wierd.   = Well, thanks everyone for taking the time to suggest options.   6 Chuck's Circular Routing and Network-Wasp-Nest Service   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 23:56:23 -0400@ From: "Koska, John C. \(LNG-ALB\)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>3 Subject: RE: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures R Message-ID: <D8D507FABDE21843BD4BD5791ADCB12A49B435@LNGALBEXCP01VA.legal.regn.net>  G Hmmm...?  50% packet loss.  Full versus half duplex issue perhaps.  Are F the ports set to the same as the network interface cards in regards to duplex?    :) jck   -----Original Message-----6 From: Schnootling [mailto:chuckmoore55@hotmail.com]=20% Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:32 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 Subject: Re: TCPIP+LinkSys+Win2K+OpenVMS Adventures   5 Hello John and John (and Dave who sent me an e-mail),    As I replied to John Santos:  E I just verified the PC is attached to port 1 (it had been in port 4).   The Alpha is attached to port 2.  D The router's front lights show that both links are active and are at; 100Mbs. However, the Alpha's full/col (?) light is NOT lit.   E Everything's still the (unworking) same: I get 50% packet loss when I ! try a PING from the Win2K. Wierd.   = Well, thanks everyone for taking the time to suggest options.   6 Chuck's Circular Routing and Network-Wasp-Nest Service   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:49:24 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net  Subject: WordPerfect 7 for VMS) Message-ID: <U6eYf.8325$Fc.5033@trnddc08>   @ Is anyone here running WordPerfect 7 for VMS that could answer a few questions off-line?    --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.186 ************************