1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 06 Apr 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 190       Contents:  "Mount Verify" messages in OPCOM$ Re: "Mount Verify" messages in OPCOM Re: Anyone for CORAL? 6 Re: Can you use Avail Manager w/o openview or decamds?; Can't get rid of trailing separator page with CMU LPR queue  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable  Re: Console Cable 9 Re: Looking for power supply/supplies for DS20e in Europe # OpenVMS is the worlds best desktop! ' Re: OpenVMS is the worlds best desktop! ' Re: OpenVMS is the worlds best desktop!  OT: MACs now support EFI. Re: Strange behavior of DEFINE with equal-sign. Re: Strange behavior of DEFINE with equal-sign. Re: Strange behavior of DEFINE with equal-sign. Re: Strange behavior of DEFINE with equal-signG Re: Why are my interactive sessions limited to 6176 pages working set ? G Re: Why are my interactive sessions limited to 6176 pages working set ? G Re: Why are my interactive sessions limited to 6176 pages working set ? G Re: Why are my interactive sessions limited to 6176 pages working set ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2006 15:53:39 -0700 " From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com) Subject: "Mount Verify" messages in OPCOM C Message-ID: <1144277619.034942.262690@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   D      Can anyone tell me what these messages mean, how dangerous they, are, and what I can do to troubleshoot them.  F %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2006 15:45:25.38  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node" XXXXXX at  5-APR-2006 15:45:25.40)F DSA13: 5 Mount verification messages have been suppressed in past 2245 seconds.  C when I look at the volumes I can never actually catch them in mount  verify.    Not sure what to do about it   Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:55:48 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>- Subject: Re: "Mount Verify" messages in OPCOM 6 Message-ID: <44347524.31B034A1@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  # dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com wrote:  > F >      Can anyone tell me what these messages mean, how dangerous they. > are, and what I can do to troubleshoot them. > H > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2006 15:45:25.38  %%%%%%%%%%%    (from node$ > XXXXXX at  5-APR-2006 15:45:25.40)H > DSA13: 5 Mount verification messages have been suppressed in past 2245
 > seconds. > E > when I look at the volumes I can never actually catch them in mount 	 > verify.  >  > Not sure what to do about it  H Check the consoles on your HSG's. Probably find COMMAND ABORTED messages& scrolling by faster than you can read.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2006 14:44:14 -0700 . From: "Ger_Marsh" <marsh_family@btconnect.com> Subject: Re: Anyone for CORAL?B Message-ID: <1144273454.567875.58070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  C I can't believe that it's still being supported! And now it's being  ported!!  G CORAL (Computer On-line Real-time Application Language - IIRC) has some  unusual features:   2 - Keywords are enclosed in apostrophes (primes).../ - therefore variables can have embedded spaces. E - In-line assembler can also be included, like the BBC Micro's BASIC.   A Apologies for any syntax error but you could do something like...    'IF' CHAR COUNT 'EQ' 0 'THEN' 
     'CODE'         <assembler here>  F (And the "66" came from 1966 - it must have been very advanced for its time.)  G Taught myself it when a bored operator and hassled some MOD contractors  - belonging to SD ironically!   A I did some typical operator type work on it including translating B teletype characters to visible shapes on paper tape. Excellent for
 birthdays.   Keep that flag a'flying.     Gerald.      Ian Miller wrote:  > I saw this > ; > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=06/04/04/7269448  > ( > and who still used CORAL and what for? > G > CORAL-66 appears to me like a block structured language like RTL/2 or D > ALGOL-60. I have written RTL/2 in the dim and distant past but not > CORAL-66.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2006 19:47:38 +0100 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)? Subject: Re: Can you use Avail Manager w/o openview or decamds? , Message-ID: <44341eda$1@news.langstoeger.at>  ` In article <1144254581.660504.306590@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes:D >Availability Manager is the product that used to be called DECamds.A >Depends what version of the operatirng system you have installed . >whether you need to install AMDS or AvailMan.  K In other words, AMDS is the MOTIF version and AvailMan is the JAVA version, N the latter replacing the former (because multiplatform - curr Win32 & VMS A/I)  = See	http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/availman/    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2006 11:20:09 -0700  From: mcbill20@yahoo.comD Subject: Can't get rid of trailing separator page with CMU LPR queueC Message-ID: <1144261209.652134.214680@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>   D Hello all. I inherited some VMS 5.5-2 systems with CMU IP stacks. WeF recently purchased some new network laser printers and I had to set upG LPR queues for these. Everything works OK except that I can't get it to G stop printing trailing separator pages. I've tried to find some current E CMU IP downloads or documentation but this is so old that I don't see  anything out there.   A Unfortunately, due to the applications running on these machines, F changing IP stacks is not an option.  In order to create these queues,0 I added the following to the inet$printcap file:  G hpclj5550_e326 "hpclj5550-hall.xyz.com" "vax10.xyz.com" vax10:: default  start @ hplj5si_e310 "HPLJ5SI-E326-HALL.xyz.com" "vax10.xyz.com" vax10::
 default start   * Here is the output from a show queue/full:  D Printer queue HPCLJ5550_E326, idle, on VAX10::, mounted form DEFAULT:   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DEFAULT) /OWNER=[SYSTEM]/ /PROCESSOR=LPRSMB /PROTECTION=(S:E,O:D,G:R,W:W)    I even tried doing a:  $ set queue/sep=notrail E in order to try and reset it but the behavior is the same. After each . print job, we get a page that looks like this:   User: username Host: vax10.xyz.com  Class: vax10.xyz.com
 Job: login  
 Any ideas?   Thanks in advance. Bill   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:53:05 +0000 (UTC). From: Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> Subject: Re: Console Cable, Message-ID: <e11061$52r$1@reader2.panix.com>  F On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:52:41 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:F > The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable,! > which has the following pinouts      >        PC DB9 Console Cable   + >    1    DCD Data Carrier Detect         4 + >    2    RXD Receive Data                3 + >    3    TXD Transmit Data               2 . >    4    DTR Data Terminal Ready         1, 6+ >    5    GND                             5 + >    6    DSR Data Set Ready              4 + >    7    RTS Request To Send             8 + >    8    CTS Clear To Send               7 & >    9    RI Ring Indicator (not used)  = > Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined? - > I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires)   ; The only signals needed are DTR, DSR, TxD, RxD, TxD Gnd and  RxD Gnd.  < MMJ has only 6 pins, pin 1 is farthest from the offset clip,
 6 is nearest:    1 DTR    2 TxD    3 TxD Gnd    4 RxD Gnd    5 RxD    6 DSR    --  7 Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> (lose the Q's)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:38:16 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Console Cable) Message-ID: <op.s7jsp2qczgicya@hyrrokkin>   3 On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:53:05 -0700, Dale Dellutri   ! <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> wrote:   H > On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:52:41 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote:G >> The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable, " >> which has the following pinouts >  >  >>        PC DB9 Console Cable > , >>    1    DCD Data Carrier Detect         4, >>    2    RXD Receive Data                3, >>    3    TXD Transmit Data               2/ >>    4    DTR Data Terminal Ready         1, 6 , >>    5    GND                             5, >>    6    DSR Data Set Ready              4, >>    7    RTS Request To Send             8, >>    8    CTS Clear To Send               7' >>    9    RI Ring Indicator (not used)  > > >> Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined?. >> I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires) > = > The only signals needed are DTR, DSR, TxD, RxD, TxD Gnd and 
 > RxD Gnd. > > > MMJ has only 6 pins, pin 1 is farthest from the offset clip, > 6 is nearest: 	 >   1 DTR 	 >   2 TxD 
 >   3 TxD Gnd 
 >   4 RxD Gnd 	 >   5 RxD 	 >   6 DSR  >   L Well, once again I haven't explained myself well.  I said RJ11 not MMJ and   I K should have added RS232.  Specifically what I would like to do is to make    upB a console cable  using an RJ11 cable, ergo 6 wires, and I have a   configurableJ RJ11/DB9 adapter that will plug into the OPA0 port on an Alpha.  The otherJ end of the cable attaches to a PCI board in a W2K box (Quatech ECS-100m)   which L has 8 RJ11 ports, each of which may be jumpered to select specific signals   as follows:  " 1     CTS  or DSR  or loop the two	 2     TXD 	 3     DCD 	 4     GND 	 5     RXD ! 6     DTR or RTS  or loop the two   C The numbering isn't important since it can be fixed up on the DB9    adapter.  So< signals 2 thru 5 are fixed and 1 and 6 are jumper-selectable     5	   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2006 18:46:31 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Console Cable+ Message-ID: <49ihk6FnrlsuU1@individual.net>   ) In article <op.s7jsp2qczgicya@hyrrokkin>, & 	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:5 > On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:53:05 -0700, Dale Dellutri   # > <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> wrote:  > I >> On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:52:41 -0700, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> wrote: H >>> The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable,# >>> which has the following pinouts  >> >> >>>        PC DB9 Console Cable  >>- >>>    1    DCD Data Carrier Detect         4 - >>>    2    RXD Receive Data                3 - >>>    3    TXD Transmit Data               2 0 >>>    4    DTR Data Terminal Ready         1, 6- >>>    5    GND                             5 - >>>    6    DSR Data Set Ready              4 - >>>    7    RTS Request To Send             8 - >>>    8    CTS Clear To Send               7 ( >>>    9    RI Ring Indicator (not used) >>? >>> Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined? / >>> I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires)  >>> >> The only signals needed are DTR, DSR, TxD, RxD, TxD Gnd and >> RxD Gnd.  >>? >> MMJ has only 6 pins, pin 1 is farthest from the offset clip,  >> 6 is nearest:
 >>   1 DTR
 >>   2 TxD >>   3 TxD Gnd >>   4 RxD Gnd
 >>   5 RxD
 >>   6 DSR >> > N > Well, once again I haven't explained myself well.  I said RJ11 not MMJ and   > I M > should have added RS232.  Specifically what I would like to do is to make    > upD > a console cable  using an RJ11 cable, ergo 6 wires, and I have a   > configurableL > RJ11/DB9 adapter that will plug into the OPA0 port on an Alpha.  The otherL > end of the cable attaches to a PCI board in a W2K box (Quatech ECS-100m)   > which N > has 8 RJ11 ports, each of which may be jumpered to select specific signals   > as
 > follows: > $ > 1     CTS  or DSR  or loop the two > 2     TXD  > 3     DCD  > 4     GND  > 5     RXD # > 6     DTR or RTS  or loop the two  > E > The numbering isn't important since it can be fixed up on the DB9    > adapter.  So> > signals 2 thru 5 are fixed and 1 and 6 are jumper-selectable  E And as has been pointed out, unless your Alpha is wierd, it should be  perfectly happy with:  TXD  RXD  GND  DSR  DTR   F The only unknown at this point is the terminal program on the PC whichG may require something else coming back (DCD?) before it will send data. E But that can usually be faked by looping some other signal back.  All B of the RJ11/RS232 connectors I ever bought had a couple of jumpersC provided to do this.  Of course. a breakout box is a big help here.   B I would suggest wiring up a cable to provide the signals above andB see if it works.  If not, Iwould suspect the PC as the one missing	 a signal.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:19:39 -0400* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Console Cable, Message-ID: <4434184c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message# news:op.s7jk13uozgicya@hyrrokkin... F > The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable,! > which has the following pinouts  >  >  >        PC DB9 Console Cable  >   >    1 DCD Data Carrier Detect 4 >    2 RXD Receive Data 3  >    3 TXD Transmit Data 2# >    4 DTR Data Terminal Ready 1, 6  >    5 GND 5 >    6 DSR Data Set Ready 4  >    7 RTS Request To Send 8 >    8 CTS Clear To Send 7# >    9 RI Ring Indicator (not used)  > = > Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined? - > I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires)  >     H You only need 3 wires.  RX, TX and ground.  All the others can be loopedK back.  Tie DSR to DTR (4 & 6) on each connector - you can probably also tie J CD (pin 1 to this as well).  Then tie RTS to CTS (7 & 8) as well.  You areJ now online (carrier detect) and ready to send, clear to send, and ready as you ever will be.   A Google is your friend.  Type in "RS232 null modem".  For example:   : http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/RS-232_null_modem.html  B http://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/nullmodem-db9-to-db9.htm  ! http://www.arcelect.com/rs232.htm    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:47:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Console Cable, Message-ID: <44341EBC.5DDAF3EC@teksavvy.com>   FredK wrote:J > You only need 3 wires.  RX, TX and ground.  All the others can be loopedM > back.  Tie DSR to DTR (4 & 6) on each connector - you can probably also tie  > CD (pin 1 to this as well).       ( The way I read the question was more as:  E "Does the driver that runs OPA0 make use of modem signals, or does it / just do raw data (TX, RD, GND) with Xon-Xoff ?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:04:08 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Console Cable) Message-ID: <op.s7jwo6iyzgicya@hyrrokkin>   H On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:19:39 -0700, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>   wrote:   > 0 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message% > news:op.s7jk13uozgicya@hyrrokkin... G >> The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable, " >> which has the following pinouts >> >> >>        PC DB9 Console Cable >>! >>    1 DCD Data Carrier Detect 4  >>    2 RXD Receive Data 3 >>    3 TXD Transmit Data 2 $ >>    4 DTR Data Terminal Ready 1, 6
 >>    5 GND 5  >>    6 DSR Data Set Ready 4 >>    7 RTS Request To Send 8  >>    8 CTS Clear To Send 7 $ >>    9 RI Ring Indicator (not used) >>> >> Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined?. >> I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires) >> >  > J > You only need 3 wires.  RX, TX and ground.  All the others can be loopedK > back.  Tie DSR to DTR (4 & 6) on each connector - you can probably also    > tie J > CD (pin 1 to this as well).  Then tie RTS to CTS (7 & 8) as well.  You   > are K > now online (carrier detect) and ready to send, clear to send, and ready    > as > you ever will be.   H Thanks, Fred, I thought you only needed 3 or 4 wires, but wasn't sure ifG OPA0 had more stringent requirements.  Maybe this will also resolve the $ problem I was having with the DS10L.  G I can jumper RTS to CTS and DSR to DTR but will have to let CD go thru.    > C > Google is your friend.  Type in "RS232 null modem".  For example:  > < > http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/RS-232_null_modem.html > D > http://www.aggsoft.com/rs232-pinout-cable/nullmodem-db9-to-db9.htm > # > http://www.arcelect.com/rs232.htm  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:17:31 -0400* From: "FredK" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> Subject: Re: Console Cable, Message-ID: <443425db$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message# news:op.s7jwo6iyzgicya@hyrrokkin... H > On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:19:39 -0700, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> > wrote: >  > > 2 > > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message' > > news:op.s7jk13uozgicya@hyrrokkin... I > >> The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable, $ > >> which has the following pinouts > >> > >>  > >>        PC DB9 Console Cable > >># > >>    1 DCD Data Carrier Detect 4  > >>    2 RXD Receive Data 3 > >>    3 TXD Transmit Data 2 & > >>    4 DTR Data Terminal Ready 1, 6 > >>    5 GND 5  > >>    6 DSR Data Set Ready 4 > >>    7 RTS Request To Send 8  > >>    8 CTS Clear To Send 7 & > >>    9 RI Ring Indicator (not used) > >>@ > >> Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined?0 > >> I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires) > >> > >  > > L > > You only need 3 wires.  RX, TX and ground.  All the others can be loopedK > > back.  Tie DSR to DTR (4 & 6) on each connector - you can probably also  > > tie J > > CD (pin 1 to this as well).  Then tie RTS to CTS (7 & 8) as well.  You > > are K > > now online (carrier detect) and ready to send, clear to send, and ready  > > as > > you ever will be.  > J > Thanks, Fred, I thought you only needed 3 or 4 wires, but wasn't sure ifI > OPA0 had more stringent requirements.  Maybe this will also resolve the & > problem I was having with the DS10L. > I > I can jumper RTS to CTS and DSR to DTR but will have to let CD go thru.  >   K I'm gonna guess that CD doesn't matter that much, but if you can jumper the + other two - why not tie all three together?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:54:44 -0400/ From: "William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com>  Subject: Re: Console CableH Message-ID: <8660a3a10604051354g199e04bt1b1a41790e232632@mail.gmail.com>  4 On 4/5/06, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote: > 0 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message% > news:op.s7jwo6iyzgicya@hyrrokkin... J > > On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:19:39 -0700, FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>
 > > wrote: > >  > > > 4 > > > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message) > > > news:op.s7jk13uozgicya@hyrrokkin... K > > >> The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable, & > > >> which has the following pinouts > > >> > > >>" > > >>        PC DB9 Console Cable > > >>% > > >>    1 DCD Data Carrier Detect 4  > > >>    2 RXD Receive Data 3 > > >>    3 TXD Transmit Data 2 ( > > >>    4 DTR Data Terminal Ready 1, 6 > > >>    5 GND 5   > > >>    6 DSR Data Set Ready 4! > > >>    7 RTS Request To Send 8  > > >>    8 CTS Clear To Send 7 ( > > >>    9 RI Ring Indicator (not used) > > >>B > > >> Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined?2 > > >> I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires) > > >> > > >  > > > L > > > You only need 3 wires.  RX, TX and ground.  All the others can be loo= ped L > > > back.  Tie DSR to DTR (4 & 6) on each connector - you can probably al= so	 > > > tie L > > > CD (pin 1 to this as well).  Then tie RTS to CTS (7 & 8) as well.  Yo= u 	 > > > are L > > > now online (carrier detect) and ready to send, clear to send, and rea= dy > > > as > > > you ever will be.  > > L > > Thanks, Fred, I thought you only needed 3 or 4 wires, but wasn't sure i= f K > > OPA0 had more stringent requirements.  Maybe this will also resolve the ( > > problem I was having with the DS10L. > > K > > I can jumper RTS to CTS and DSR to DTR but will have to let CD go thru.  > >  > L > I'm gonna guess that CD doesn't matter that much, but if you can jumper t= he- > other two - why not tie all three together?  >  >  >  > L Long ago and far away when the electricians terminated everything in DB25s:= :    Terminals, etc.   	 2,3 and 7    Prnters.   2 through 8 and 20  C WWWebb,  who recalls having built an AUI cable from scratch because D the telco guys showed up unannounced to move where the dial-in lines< terminated and hit the modems attached to a DECserver 200...   --C NOTE: This email address is only used for noncommerical VMS-related  correspondence. C All unsolicited commercial email will be deemed to be a request for 8 services pursuant to the terms and conditions located at# http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/e/webbww/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:53:52 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Console Cable6 Message-ID: <443474B0.66DBA83F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Tom Linden wrote:  > F > The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable,! > which has the following pinouts  >  >        PC DB9 Console Cable  > + >    1    DCD Data Carrier Detect         4 + >    2    RXD Receive Data                3 + >    3    TXD Transmit Data               2 . >    4    DTR Data Terminal Ready         1, 6+ >    5    GND                             5 + >    6    DSR Data Set Ready              4 + >    7    RTS Request To Send             8 + >    8    CTS Clear To Send               7 & >    9    RI Ring Indicator (not used) > = > Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined? - > I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires)   G Well, DECconnect cables (MMJ) were only six wires, could have gotten by  on five, really.  H I recently traced this out with a VOM: the console jack on an HSZ or HSGG is just a "DECconnect" with an unmodified modular connector. The pinout 0 is identical to what you would find with an MMJ.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:58:56 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: Console Cable5 Message-ID: <443475E0.BB09A0F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Tom Linden wrote:  > > H > > The Console Cable I use on my Alphas is a standard Null Modem cable,# > > which has the following pinouts  > >  > >        PC DB9 Console Cable  > > - > >    1    DCD Data Carrier Detect         4 - > >    2    RXD Receive Data                3 - > >    3    TXD Transmit Data               2 0 > >    4    DTR Data Terminal Ready         1, 6- > >    5    GND                             5 - > >    6    DSR Data Set Ready              4 - > >    7    RTS Request To Send             8 - > >    8    CTS Clear To Send               7 ( > >    9    RI Ring Indicator (not used) > > ? > > Are all those signals needed by VMS?  Can some be combined? / > > I would like to get it to an RJ11 (6 wires)  > I > Well, DECconnect cables (MMJ) were only six wires, could have gotten by  > on five, really. > J > I recently traced this out with a VOM: the console jack on an HSZ or HSGI > is just a "DECconnect" with an unmodified modular connector. The pinout 2 > is identical to what you would find with an MMJ.  E ...and, as I believe Fred noted, you really only need Tx, Rx and Gnd. G The modem/flow control signals should either be not required or quietly  ignored.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:37:50 -0400C From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@icusc.com> B Subject: Re: Looking for power supply/supplies for DS20e in Europe5 Message-ID: <14UYf.248$yh.229@bignews3.bellsouth.net>    Marc  L We have a few systems in stock from which I could pull one but you are still looking at about $399    David    --     David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622 X201 Cell: 912 447 6622 X252  Fax: 912 201 0402  Email: dbturner@icusc.com  Web: http://www.islandco.com% ===================================== < All orders are subject to the following terms and conditions. of sale. These should be read before ordering.% http://www.islandco.com/warranty.html   8 "Marc Schlensog" <fishtank.spam@web.de> wrote in message4 news:20060405010127.eb9ed384.fishtank.spam@web.de... > On 4 Apr 2006 02:32:47 -0700 > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote:  > F > > Try Abacus Computing in Reading.  That's my first port of call forC > > anything second user, whether for personal or professional use.  > >  > > +44 (0)118 940 3111  > > H > > (I don't have shares, I'm just a happy buyer!  By all means remember > > me to Phil Dombey.)  > >  > > Steve (Reece)  > >  > $ > Thanks Steve. I'll give it a shot! > (Offers are still welcome) >  > Marc   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2006 16:36:50 -0700  From: bob@instantwhip.com , Subject: OpenVMS is the worlds best desktop!C Message-ID: <1144280210.857754.196900@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   ? http://www.newsforge.com/articles/06/03/27/168247.shtml?tid=149    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:30:36 -0400 % From: BRAD <bradhamilton@comcast.net> 0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS is the worlds best desktop!* Message-ID: <4434612C.3060100@comcast.net>   bob@instantwhip.com wrote:A > http://www.newsforge.com/articles/06/03/27/168247.shtml?tid=149   A As much as I like VMS "on the desktop", (actually, underneath my  H desktop) the article was "published" on 1-April, and includes an ironic E reference to a famous Ken Olson quote.  For me, the giveaway was the  , characterizing CDE as a "[m]asterpiece".	:-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:48:13 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS is the worlds best desktop!0 Message-ID: <BPidnZfKNJTzHKnZRVn-gQ@bresnan.com>   BRAD wrote:  > bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > B >> http://www.newsforge.com/articles/06/03/27/168247.shtml?tid=149 >  > C > As much as I like VMS "on the desktop", (actually, underneath my  J > desktop) the article was "published" on 1-April, and includes an ironic G > reference to a famous Ken Olson quote.  For me, the giveaway was the  1 > characterizing CDE as a "[m]asterpiece".    :-)  >    Plus it was labeled as humour.   --   Where are we going?   And why am I in this handbasket?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:42:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: OT: MACs now support EFI , Message-ID: <443463DA.FDE3C7B9@teksavvy.com>  F As part of the announcement that new MACs can now dual boot Windows, I found this interesting piece;    ##E But in its online documentation for Boot Camp, Apple hints that Vista > will be supported: "Macs use an ultra-modern industry standardH technology called EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface) to handle booting.F Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s@ with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in  both centuries."   ##    A So it appears that Apple hardware would be available today to VMS 3 engineers to ease their porting effort to the 8086.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:39:13 -04003 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsonly@weaverconsulting.ca> 7 Subject: Re: Strange behavior of DEFINE with equal-sign 9 Message-ID: <nGXYf.2181$sh3.145247@news20.bellglobal.com>   * <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote in message K news:OFCAC090F6.EFCADC18-ON85257147.00606C8A-85257147.0060A790@metso.com...  >...D > I has been shown to me in an off-line message that if you do this  > with:  >  > $ASSIGN WORP055 = BRK20 C > %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer   > parameters	 > \BRK20\  > C > an error correctly results.  This indicates to me that a DCL bug  	 > exists.  >...   Interesting.  B VERB DEFINE says that the type for P1 is $outlog. VERB ASSIGN has E $outlog for p2. But $outlog is not defined in the Command Definition    manual. So you should have tried   ASSIGN WORP055 BRK20 = works the same as  DEFINE BRK20 = WORP055   The .CLD define verb test    parameter P1, prompt="test"$       value (required,type=$outfile)   gives  $ test abc =A %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer  
 parameters   But the .CLD define verb test    parameter P1, prompt="test"#       value (required,type=$outlog)    accepts  $ test abc =   For fun try; define verb xwrite    cliroutine WRITE     prefix CLI$K_WRIT_     parameter P1,"       value (required,type=$inlog)$    parameter P2, prompt="Expression"(       value (required,list,type=$outlog)   Then;  $ xwrite sys$output xx = XX=  $ xwrite sys$output xx # XX# 4 $ xwrite sys$output 1 = > ? # ] ^  ! as found by Ken 1=>?#]^  $ xwrite sys$output xx $A %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer  
 parameters  \$\ $   > $insym, $outsym, and $inlog all do the same thing but all are  unsupported for us to use.     ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2006 16:33:03 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>7 Subject: Re: Strange behavior of DEFINE with equal-sign A Message-ID: <1144279983.903249.6040@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>    Ken Robinson wrote: C > On 4/5/06, norm.raphael@metso.com <norm.raphael@metso.com> wrote:  > >  > > L > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote on 04/04/2006 07:23:40 PM: > > # > > > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: ' > > > > $ DEFINE/SYSTEM BRK20 = WORP055  > > > - > > > > I would have expected a syntax error. " > > > > Is this expected behavior? > > > G > > None of which begins to explain why the equal sign (the third token J > > in the line) gets appended to the logical-name-value (the second tokenH > > in the line) or why the intervening space (the token delimiter) gets< > > ignored (eliminated, deleted, swallowed up, lost, etc.). > > J > > What is the explaination of this?  Was it always the case? Is it still/ > > the case (I am on V7.2VAX and V7.3-1Alpha)?  > ? > With a little trial and error I discovered that the following  > characters do the same thing:  > # > ? ] ^  > H > Now if anyone can figure out how these characters are related, perhaps4 > the solution to this mystery will become apparent. >  > Ken   E I ran $ SEAR.COM/OUT=SEAR.OUT!. NOTHING.NOTHING contains nothing. The > command procedure tried every non-alphanumeric character on my? keyboard. Here are the ones that produce the "invalid parameter  delimiter" message:   * $ SEAR SEAR.OUT "INVALID PARAM"/WIND=(1,0)" $ SEAR SYS$LOGIN:NOTHING.NOTHING #B %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special
 characters *************** " $ SEAR SYS$LOGIN:NOTHING.NOTHING ^B %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special
 characters *************** " $ SEAR SYS$LOGIN:NOTHING.NOTHING )B %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special
 characters *************** " $ SEAR SYS$LOGIN:NOTHING.NOTHING ]B %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special
 characters *************** " $ SEAR SYS$LOGIN:NOTHING.NOTHING >B %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special
 characters *************** " $ SEAR SYS$LOGIN:NOTHING.NOTHING ?B %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special
 characters $   B I get the same character set you got plus the parenthesis. PerhapsF DEFINE doesn't like the parenthesis. Getting back to my procedure: allA the other characters either work or produce other error messages.   E Now why DCL absorbs the character into the first parameter is still a  mystery to me.   AEF    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2006 16:52:04 -0700 $ From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>7 Subject: Re: Strange behavior of DEFINE with equal-sign C Message-ID: <1144281124.588527.110480@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>    David J. Dachtera wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  > > ! > > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: % > > > $ DEFINE/SYSTEM BRK20 = WORP055  > > + > > > I would have expected a syntax error.   > > > Is this expected behavior? > > K > > I used to expect the syntax error. I've been bitten by this many times. K > > Some VMS engineers probably decided to toy with the users and code this   > > not-so-expected behaviour... > > " > > $define test hello how are you > > , > > generates a "too many parameters" error. >  > Just for chuckles, try this: >  > $a = "hello how are you" > $define test &a  > $ show logical test   E This works because it happens at or near the end of phase 2 of symbol E substitution at which time the command string has already been parsed B into parts. But note what happens when you try to include a quoted
 substring:   $ a = "blah ""quoted"" blah" $ define test &a
 $ sh log test 2    "TEST" = "blah quoted blah" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  $ a = "blah """"quoted"""" blah" $ define test &a< %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TEST has been superseded
 $ sh log test 2    "TEST" = "blah quoted blah" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)( $ a = "blah """"""""quoted"""""""" blah" $ define test &a< %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TEST has been superseded
 $ sh log test 4    "TEST" = "blah "quoted" blah" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $   B With apostrophe substitution you only need to double the quotation marks twice:    $ a = "blah """"quoted"""" blah" $ define test2 "''a'" = %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TEST2 has been superseded  $ show log test25    "TEST2" = "blah "quoted" blah" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  $   = Does anyone know why you need an extra doubling for ampersand 
 substitution?  >  > --   > David J Dachtera [...]    AEF    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:47:55 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>7 Subject: Re: Strange behavior of DEFINE with equal-sign 6 Message-ID: <4434734B.A97152C5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Charlie Hammond wrote: > 1 > I have entered a formal problem report on this.  >  > --L >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAH >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)L >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   Thank you, sir!    Goofy stuff...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:24:13 -0400 From: "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com>P Subject: Re: Why are my interactive sessions limited to 6176 pages working set ?, Message-ID: <44340b4e$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F Other than setting WSINC to equal the difference between your average E accounts WSDEFAULT & WSQUOTA (16384 but PQL_M effects may need to be  J considered), the only other thing that would limit the process would be a L seperate tuning tool that periodically adjusts the processes working set or 
 purges it.  I If the process does more than 8 pagefults/10sec then at quantum end time  L (assuming AWSTIME=QUANTUM) it's working set will get a WSINC sized increase A and then it can start filling those slots with memory references.   H FWIW I usually advise the following for memory rich, interactive systems QUANTUM = 7  AWSTIME = 7 ' WSINC = {WSQUOTA-WSDEFAULT of avg user}  WSDEC = 400 
 PFRATL = 0
 PFRATH = 1  6 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message * news:1237rlvrlkq6iff@corp.supernews.com... > * > "Jilly" <jilly@hp.com> wrote in message ( > news:4433dfc9$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com...L >> What are PFRATH, WSINC & QUANTUM set to?  Are any of there processes run  >> at priority 16? >>
 > $ mc sysgen  > SYSGEN>  SH PFRATHJ > Parameter Name           Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit 	 > Dynamic R > --------------           -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  -------D > PFRATH                          8          8         0         -1  > Flts/10Sec D > SYSGEN>  SH WSINC J > Parameter Name           Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit 	 > Dynamic R > --------------           -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  -------M > WSINC                        2400       2400         0         -1 Pagelets   > D J > internal value               150        150         0         -1 Pages D > SYSGEN>  SH QUANTUM J > Parameter Name           Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit 	 > Dynamic R > --------------           -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  -------J > QUANTUM                        20         20         2      32767 10Ms D	 > SYSGEN>  > # > Those processes run at priority 4  >  > Thanks for your help	 > Syltrem  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:05:55 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>P Subject: Re: Why are my interactive sessions limited to 6176 pages working set ?- Message-ID: <44341513.38FFD322@vaxination.ca>    Syltrem wrote:& > >> Peak working set size:       6176  G Are you absolutely sure that non interactive processes have higher peak  working set sizes ?   G Do all interactive processes have this exact same peak working set size 1 ?  Or only those running a certain application ?    H Is it possible that the application itself sets the process to have thatH working set size max ? (is it possible for an unprived user to lower his working set size ?)   G Does this application involve lots of subprocesses ? Each user may have 1 to split his wsmax between multiple subprocesses.       ( > >> I do have free memory on the system  < So you can give itr away to people who need it ? :-) :-) :-)      H Have you tried running autogen getparams genparams to read the report to  see if it finds anything there ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:13:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> P Subject: Re: Why are my interactive sessions limited to 6176 pages working set ?, Message-ID: <443416BC.509C1A4B@teksavvy.com>  	 Sylvain,    E you mentioned that the same application running as detached under the @ same username gets 55k, pages, but interactive, gets only 6176.   A You may wish to look at the command procedures used to create the < detached process AND the command procedure used to start the application.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:46:50 -04003 From: "Peter Weaver" <newsonly@weaverconsulting.ca> P Subject: Re: Why are my interactive sessions limited to 6176 pages working set ?9 Message-ID: <SFYYf.2207$sh3.147570@news20.bellglobal.com>   6 "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message * news:12351atgct0dg96@corp.supernews.com... >...G > This is an interactive session. *All* interactive sessions have a WS  F > of 6176 pages in the WS and some do a lot of pagefaults, regardless  > of the WS* values in UAF. ? > All other process types (detached, batch) with the same user  . > accounts, don't suffer from this limitation. >...  @ Based on what I remember with previous postings you are running C applications with an Oracle database. Today I looked at one of our  G systems running Oracle and see that a lot of the users have rather low  F Working Sets. Have you tried logging into an account and running some F standard VMS command that would require a large working set to see if E there is something specific about Oracle. Maybe try editing a 20,000  > block file with EVE and see what happens to your Working Set?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.190 ************************