1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 09 Apr 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 196       Contents:- Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? ) Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? - Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? - Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? - Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? - Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? - Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? - Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? - Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ? - Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?  Anyone know David Cathey?  Re: Anyone know David Cathey?  Re: Anyone know David Cathey?  Re: Anyone know David Cathey?  Auto Negotiate with Gigabit?  Re: Auto Negotiate with Gigabit?. Re: Getting the remote address for SET DISPLAY Re: how to stop the VPM server Re: how to stop the VPM server Re: how to stop the VPM server Re: how to stop the VPM server$ Re: keeping messages from TCPIP$SMTP Re: OpenVMS on zx2000 or zx6000 ? Re: Question About My PL/1 License vis-a-vis My OpenVMS License ? Re: Question About My PL/1 License vis-a-vis My OpenVMS License & Quorum, locks and application question* Re: Quorum, locks and application question* Re: Quorum, locks and application question Salute to Ken Olsen . Re: SMTP: stop sending "no such user" messages Re: TCPIP$SMTP_POSTMASTER_ALIAS  Re: TCPIP$SMTP_POSTMASTER_ALIAS  Re: Using the Serial Terminal  Re: Using the Serial Terminal  Re: Using the Serial Terminal  Re: where to find SMTP.CONFIG  Re: where to find SMTP.CONFIG   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2006 17:30:14 -0700 . From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?B Message-ID: <1144542614.712553.84510@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Oops,    My goof. Alpha, please.    Chuck    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2006 17:20:35 -0700 . From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>2 Subject: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?A Message-ID: <1144542035.924589.3200@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   	 Hi Folks,   C Since my PL/1 installation seems to be on hiatus, I thought I'd try  BASIC and COBOL.  ' I just searched my layered products CD:    Directory DKA500:[000000]   ; 000000.DIR;1        ADV_SER_073A.DIR;1  AVAILMAN_0231.DIR;1  BACKUP.SYS;14 BADBLK.SYS;1        BADLOG.SYS;1        BITMAP.SYS;1 CONTIN.SYS;1> CORIMG.SYS;1        DCE_ALPHA030.DIR;1  DEBUG_CLIENTS011.DIR;18 DECAMDS_0732.DIR;1  DECDFS_0233.DIR;1   DECRAM_025.DIR;1 DECRAM_032.DIR;1F ECP_054D.DIR;1      GCM_011.DIR;1       INDEXF.SYS;1        KITS.DIR;1: MGMTAGENTS_0301.DIR;1                   PATHWORKS_61.DIR;1 SECURITY.SYS;1, SSL_011.DIR;1       VISUAL_THREADS_023.DIR;14 VMSI18N_ALPHA0732.DIR;1                 VOLSET.SYS;1   and    Directory DKA500:[000000.KITS]  ? ADV_SER_073A_KIT.DIR;1                  AVAILMAN_0231_KIT.DIR;1 > DCE_ALPHA030_KIT.DIR;1                  DECAMDS_0732_KIT.DIR;19 DECRAM_032_KIT.DIR;1                    GCM_011_KIT.DIR;1  SSL_011_KIT.DIR;1  VISUAL_THREADS_023_KIT.DIR;1  7 I didn't see anything that looked like BASIC or COBOL..   ? Anyone know where I can get the kits for either/both of them ??    Chuck-the-LanguageLess   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:24:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?, Message-ID: <44385454.1D016DB5@teksavvy.com>   Schnootling wrote:9 > I didn't see anything that looked like BASIC or COBOL..  > A > Anyone know where I can get the kits for either/both of them ??   . You need to specify VAX or Alpha architecture.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:33:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?, Message-ID: <4438564E.C57B8A93@teksavvy.com>   Schnootling wrote: > My goof. Alpha, please.    Sorry I only have VAX ;-(    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2006 19:26:43 -0700 . From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?C Message-ID: <1144549603.689597.269030@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>    Hi Richard,   G Well, maybe it isn't available. But if it isn't available, then why the E heck is it part of the layered products list we get from HP ?  Why do G we get a big, long list of products if we really don't get some of them  ?    Case in point: $ license list! License Management Facility  V1.2   # License Database File:       SYS$CO # Created on:                  23-FEB # Created by user:             SYSTEM ! Created by LMF Version:      V1.2   # -----------------------------------   ACMS                         DEC  ACMS-REM                     DEC  ACMS-RT                      DEC  ACMSXP-DEV                   DEC  ACMSXP-RT                    DEC  ADA                          DEC  ADA-PDO                      DEC  ALLIN1-MAIL-DW-CLIENT        DEC  ALLIN1-MAIL-SERVER           DEC  ALLIN1-MAIL-SERVER-USER      DEC  ALLIN1-MAIL-VT-CLIENT        DEC  ALLIN1-MAIL-VT-USER          DEC  ALLIN1-MAIL-WAN-SERVER       DEC  BASIC                        DEC  C                            DEC  CMS                          DEC  COBOL                        DEC  CXX-V                        DEC  DCE-APP-DEV                  DEC  DCE-CDS                      DEC  DCE-SECURITY                 DEC  DCPS-OPEN                    DEC  DCPS-PLUS                    DEC  DECDCS-SRV-VA                DEC  DECMIGRATE                   DEC  DECRAM                       DEC  DECWRITE                     DEC  DECWRITE-USER                DEC  DESKTOP-ACMS                 DEC  DFG                          DEC  DFS                          DEC  DQS                          DEC  DTM                          DEC  DTR                          DEC  DTR-UI-JAPANESE              DEC  DVNETEND                     DEC  DVNETEXT                     DEC  DW-MOTIF                     DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-CESKY            DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-DEUTSC           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-ESPANO           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-FRANCA           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-HANGUL           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-HANYU            DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-HANZI            DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-HEBREW           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-ITALIA           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-JAPANE           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-MAGYAR           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-POLSKI           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-RUSSKI           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-SLOVEN           DEC  DW-MOTIF-UI-SVENSK           DEC  DW-SNA-3270-TE-VMS           DEC  EXT-MATH-LIB                 DEC  EXT-MATH-LIB-RT              DEC  FMS                          DEC  FMS-RT-UI-JAPANESE           DEC  FMS-UI-HANGUL                DEC  FMS-UI-JAPANESE              DEC  FORMS                        DEC  FORMS-RT                     DEC  FORMS-RT-UI-HANGUL           DEC  FORMS-RT-UI-HANYU            DEC  FORTRAN                      DEC  GKS                          DEC  GKS-RT                       DEC  GKS-RT-UI-JAPANESE           DEC  GKS-UI-JAPANESE              DEC  GKS3D                        DEC  GKS3D-RT                     DEC  LSE                          DEC  MACRO64                      DEC  MAILBUS-400-API              DEC  MAILBUS-400-MTA              DEC  MMOV-DV                      DEC  MMOV-RT                      DEC  MMS                          DEC  NOTES                        DEC  OPENVMS-ALPHA                DEC  OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER           DEC  OPENVMS-HOBBYIST             DEC  OPS5                         DEC  PASCAL                       DEC  PCA                          DEC  PHIGS                        DEC  PHIGS-RUNTIME                DEC  PHIGS-RUNTIME-UI-JAPAN       DEC  PHIGS-UI-JAPANESE            DEC# PLI                          KEDNOS   RMSJNL                       DEC  RTR-CL                       DEC  RTR-SVR                      DEC  SQL-DEV                      DEC  SSU                          DEC  UCX                          DEC  UCX-IP-CLIENT                DEC  UCX-IP-NFS                   DEC  UCX-IP-RT                    DEC  VAXCLUSTER                   DEC  VAXSET                       DEC  VMS-UI-JAPANESE              DEC  VMSCLUSTER                   DEC  VOLSHAD                      DEC  X25                          DEC  X25-CLIENT                   DEC  X500-ADMIN-FACILITY          DEC  X500-DIRECTORY-SERVER        DEC   Chuck    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:20:30 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?1 Message-ID: <e19r07$ioi$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi,   J I didn't think COBOL was available via the hobbyist program? But if it is,J then that's my personal favourite and definitely the one to go for! (Also,G it's had no new features (standards compliant or otherwise) for so many # years that it's incredible stable.)    Regards Richard Maher.  9 "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com> wrote in message ; news:1144542035.924589.3200@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > Hi Folks,  > E > Since my PL/1 installation seems to be on hiatus, I thought I'd try  > BASIC and COBOL. > ) > I just searched my layered products CD:  >  > Directory DKA500:[000000]  > = > 000000.DIR;1        ADV_SER_073A.DIR;1  AVAILMAN_0231.DIR;1  > BACKUP.SYS;16 > BADBLK.SYS;1        BADLOG.SYS;1        BITMAP.SYS;1 > CONTIN.SYS;1@ > CORIMG.SYS;1        DCE_ALPHA030.DIR;1  DEBUG_CLIENTS011.DIR;1: > DECAMDS_0732.DIR;1  DECDFS_0233.DIR;1   DECRAM_025.DIR;1 > DECRAM_032.DIR;1H > ECP_054D.DIR;1      GCM_011.DIR;1       INDEXF.SYS;1        KITS.DIR;1< > MGMTAGENTS_0301.DIR;1                   PATHWORKS_61.DIR;1 > SECURITY.SYS;1. > SSL_011.DIR;1       VISUAL_THREADS_023.DIR;16 > VMSI18N_ALPHA0732.DIR;1                 VOLSET.SYS;1 >  > and  >   > Directory DKA500:[000000.KITS] > A > ADV_SER_073A_KIT.DIR;1                  AVAILMAN_0231_KIT.DIR;1 @ > DCE_ALPHA030_KIT.DIR;1                  DECAMDS_0732_KIT.DIR;1; > DECRAM_032_KIT.DIR;1                    GCM_011_KIT.DIR;1  > SSL_011_KIT.DIR;1  > VISUAL_THREADS_023_KIT.DIR;1 > 9 > I didn't see anything that looked like BASIC or COBOL..  > A > Anyone know where I can get the kits for either/both of them ??  >  > Chuck-the-LanguageLess >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2006 22:01:31 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?3 Message-ID: <zcYqLkchq4Mn@eisner.encompasserve.org>   t In article <1144549603.689597.269030@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com> writes:  I > Well, maybe it isn't available. But if it isn't available, then why the G > heck is it part of the layered products list we get from HP ?  Why do I > we get a big, long list of products if we really don't get some of them  > ?   D You get what the non-HP volunteers decided were the highest priority for putting on the CDROM.   A As a hobbyist you are allowed to borrow full (9 CD or so) layered @ product kit for your choices that were not popular enough to put onto the hobbyist CDROM.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:04:52 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?* Message-ID: <oR_Zf.2338$XI6.1552@trnddc05>   Richard Maher wrote: > Hi,  > L > I didn't think COBOL was available via the hobbyist program? But if it is,L > then that's my personal favourite and definitely the one to go for! (Also,I > it's had no new features (standards compliant or otherwise) for so many % > years that it's incredible stable.)     ; COBOL is included with the hobbyist licenses, but it is not : on the hobbyist CDs. BASIC is on the VAX CD but not on the	 Alpha CD.   > It is perfectly okay to install from CDs acquired from anotherA source (borrowed from work, or a friend, or from dumpster diving,  etc.)    >  > Regards Richard Maher. > ; > "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com> wrote in message = > news:1144542035.924589.3200@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  >  >>Hi Folks,  >>E >>Since my PL/1 installation seems to be on hiatus, I thought I'd try  >>BASIC and COBOL. >>) >>I just searched my layered products CD:  >> >>Directory DKA500:[000000]  >>= >>000000.DIR;1        ADV_SER_073A.DIR;1  AVAILMAN_0231.DIR;1  >>BACKUP.SYS;16 >>BADBLK.SYS;1        BADLOG.SYS;1        BITMAP.SYS;1 >>CONTIN.SYS;1@ >>CORIMG.SYS;1        DCE_ALPHA030.DIR;1  DEBUG_CLIENTS011.DIR;1: >>DECAMDS_0732.DIR;1  DECDFS_0233.DIR;1   DECRAM_025.DIR;1 >>DECRAM_032.DIR;1H >>ECP_054D.DIR;1      GCM_011.DIR;1       INDEXF.SYS;1        KITS.DIR;1< >>MGMTAGENTS_0301.DIR;1                   PATHWORKS_61.DIR;1 >>SECURITY.SYS;1. >>SSL_011.DIR;1       VISUAL_THREADS_023.DIR;16 >>VMSI18N_ALPHA0732.DIR;1                 VOLSET.SYS;1 >> >>and  >>  >>Directory DKA500:[000000.KITS] >>A >>ADV_SER_073A_KIT.DIR;1                  AVAILMAN_0231_KIT.DIR;1 @ >>DCE_ALPHA030_KIT.DIR;1                  DECAMDS_0732_KIT.DIR;1; >>DECRAM_032_KIT.DIR;1                    GCM_011_KIT.DIR;1  >>SSL_011_KIT.DIR;1  >>VISUAL_THREADS_023_KIT.DIR;1 >>9 >>I didn't see anything that looked like BASIC or COBOL..  >>A >>Anyone know where I can get the kits for either/both of them ??  >> >>Chuck-the-LanguageLess  A This looks like the "layered products" CD that comes with the O/S A CD set.  It is *NOT* the same thing as the "layered products" CDs F that come in the "Software Products Library" set (9 "layered products"@ CDs plus documentation CDs plus some miscellaneous CDs that shipB quarterly.)  You need the SPL CDs.  (They really should change theF name of the OS "layered products" CD to something else, like "optionalA software" or "bundled products"... lots of people get confused by  this.)  & See above for acquiring a set of them.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:42:02 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?, Message-ID: <44388277.6A96B6E9@teksavvy.com>   Schnootling wrote: > 
 > Hi Richard,  > I > Well, maybe it isn't available. But if it isn't available, then why the ? > heck is it part of the layered products list we get from HP ?   D One step at a time. Some people worked hard to get those licences asE part of the hobbyist programme. They haven't gotten around to getting D distribution of the the full kits, just a subset included in one CD.  E Meanwhile, you can get (legally) any of the kits in that long list of E licences from a friendly DECUS member. (or whatever the user group is  called this week).   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2006 22:03:25 -0700 . From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?C Message-ID: <1144559005.273210.209880@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hello John and JF and Larry,  " My apologies if I sounded torqued.  F Can I order the CDs from HP or the Encompass (i.e. DECUS) group or theA OpenVMS Enthusiasts Organization ?  Alternately, do y'all know of   anyone who has a recent CD set ?   Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:41:56 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> " Subject: Anyone know David Cathey?5 Message-ID: <slrne3ftf4.lal.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   F It looks like montagar.com and openvmshobbyist.org is down as of earlyH afternoon on Saturday April 8th. Verified from three different networks.  A I don't actually need contact information... if someone knows Mr. D Cathey, please let him know. It's not anything urgent, but more of a polite heads-up.  < Could be they're just taking a breather for the weekend. :-)  E He's done a fine job with his services (as has Ms. Skonetski @ HP and ) many others), and I'm appreciative of it.    -Dan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:00:28 -0400) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> & Subject: Re: Anyone know David Cathey?H Message-ID: <7dd80f60604081400n3d35bdd1nc15a294c781e7da0@mail.gmail.com>  1 On 4/8/06, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> wrote: H > It looks like montagar.com and openvmshobbyist.org is down as of earlyJ > afternoon on Saturday April 8th. Verified from three different networks. >   C As of 4:57 PM EDT montagar.com is up as is www.openvmshobbyist.org, & openvmshobbyist.org is not accessible.   Ken    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2006 14:04:17 -0700  From: davidc@montagar.com & Subject: Re: Anyone know David Cathey?B Message-ID: <1144530257.722346.15360@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>  ? I'm working on it.  Had a few problems while I was out of town. C Something always strange has to happen while I'm out of town...  It  should be up now.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:30:09 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> & Subject: Re: Anyone know David Cathey?/ Message-ID: <3rKdnV2txrm97KXZRVn-gw@libcom.com>    davidc@montagar.com wrote:A > I'm working on it.  Had a few problems while I was out of town. E > Something always strange has to happen while I'm out of town...  It  > should be up now.  >    It's a rule.  It has to happen.   E I'd be over 2000 miles from home, and I had to get a call over every  B little crisis, as if I could do a damn thing from 2000 miles away.  + It's a rule, go out of town, stuff happens.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:09:30 -0500 + From: brandon@dalsemi.com (BRANDON, JOHN M) % Subject: Auto Negotiate with Gigabit? 1 Message-ID: <06040819092997@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   O In the past I have experienced problems with auto-negotiate and 100 Mb ethernet I adapters - which setting setting both the adapter and the network port to + forced 100 Full Duplex resolved any issues.   M Though I have not (seemingly) experienced any of the same issues with Gigabit J ethernet as I have with 100 Mb - has anyone else expereinced problems with- auto-negotiate and Gigabit ethernet adapters?      John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:04:20 -0500 % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> ) Subject: Re: Auto Negotiate with Gigabit? 5 Message-ID: <slrne3gqt4.lal.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>   A In article <06040819092997@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, BRANDON, JOHN M  <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote:H > In the past I have experienced problems with auto-negotiate and 100 MbD > ethernet adapters - which setting setting both the adapter and the= > network port to forced 100 Full Duplex resolved any issues.   G > Though I have not (seemingly) experienced any of the same issues with F > Gigabit ethernet as I have with 100 Mb - has anyone else expereinced= > problems with auto-negotiate and Gigabit ethernet adapters?   C Can't say I have... but would have to be a severely broken setup if E anyone ever has any issues with gig-e autoneg because it's explicitly 8 required by the gig-e standards and properly done there.  F My recollection says that autonegotiation was a fair bit of a hack, asD it was overlaid onto the ethernet/fast ethernet standards... but was< integrated (properly) into the gig-e standards from day one.  F There are multiple means of autonegotiation with 10baseT and 100baseT;H it is not a passive thing, but active... and made worse by the fact thatD there is more than one way to do it. (See the problem? Not everybodyE does it in the same way; and as such, will not always autoneg on both  ends properly.)   C But with 1000baseX/1000baseT, there is one very well-defined way of 4 doing it that is (more or less) universally honored.   -Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:01:03 GMT " From: reed@forge.{fe}.net (Brian )7 Subject: Re: Getting the remote address for SET DISPLAY , Message-ID: <bv2mg3-6nr.ln1@server.iron.net>  < In article <5NRZf.34$1N3.18@fe03.lga>, Z <Z@ids.net> writes:J >What's the correct way to determine the remote address and the transport I >that should be use for a SET DISPLAY prior to running a GUI application  G >that needs to create windows on a user's remote PC or VMS workstation?  > H >We have some old code that translated SYS$REM_NODE and always expected L >it to be formatted as a large # that could be broken down into 4 hex bytes. > I >That worked fine with VMS 7.1-2 and UCX 4.1/4.2 but not under VMS 7.3-2  
 >and TCPIP 5.   D This is what I have used for years.  Not sure about it breaking with the different versions though.  ' $rem_node=f$getdvi("tt","tt_accpornam") 9 $if rem_node.eqs."" then EXIT ! Nothing to set display to ( $! Assume TCP/IP if a port is being used4 $if f$locate("Port:",rem_node).ne.f$length(rem_node) $then % $   rem_node=f$extract(6,99,rem_node)   $   space=f$locate(" ",rem_node)( $   rem_node=f$extract(0,space,rem_node) $   transp="TCPIP" $else ! $   colon=f$locate("::",rem_node) ( $   rem_node=f$extract(0,colon,rem_node) $   transp="DECNET"  $endif9 $set display/create/node="''rem_node'"/transport='transp'    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 13:54:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: how to stop the VPM server , Message-ID: <4437F8CF.87861059@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > J > As a result of anti-spam measures, I will need to have an ALPHA have the@ > TCPIP cluster alias, if possible.  As a result, I am writing aH > procedure, to be run on demand and a few minutes after a reboot, whichD > will stop TCPIP on all VAXes, giving time for the cluster alias to8 > failover to an ALPHA, then restart TCPIP on the VAXes.     $TCPIP SET NOINTERFACE XXA0  $WAIT 00:00:05 $TCPIP SET INTERFACE XXA0   C I haven't tested this thoughrougly, but it seems to work and forces < another node to pickup the cluster alias if this one has it.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:49:24 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: how to stop the VPM server $ Message-ID: <e190jk$mmd$1@online.de>  5 In article <4437F8CF.87861059@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    L > > As a result of anti-spam measures, I will need to have an ALPHA have theB > > TCPIP cluster alias, if possible.  As a result, I am writing aJ > > procedure, to be run on demand and a few minutes after a reboot, whichF > > will stop TCPIP on all VAXes, giving time for the cluster alias to: > > failover to an ALPHA, then restart TCPIP on the VAXes. >  >  > $TCPIP SET NOINTERFACE XXA0    Yes, this works.   > $WAIT 00:00:05 > $TCPIP SET INTERFACE XXA0   G That just creates the interface with no address.  One needs to specify  " the necessary information as well.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:15:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: how to stop the VPM server , Message-ID: <44380BCB.BC35A6F9@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > > $WAIT 00:00:05 > > $TCPIP SET INTERFACE XXA0  > H > That just creates the interface with no address.  One needs to specify$ > the necessary information as well.  E In the test I had made, it seemed  to pickup all the information from  the permanent configuration.  ? (eg: SET CONF INTERFACE XXA0 /everything , so that when you SET C INTERFACE XXA0, it takes it from the permanent config. As I said, I H didn't do extensive testing, but when I tested it, it seemed to porperly7 populate the interface with the permanent config data).    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:25:14 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)' Subject: Re: how to stop the VPM server $ Message-ID: <e1967a$v16$1@online.de>  5 In article <44380BCB.BC35A6F9@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > > > $WAIT 00:00:05 > > > $TCPIP SET INTERFACE XXA0  > > J > > That just creates the interface with no address.  One needs to specify& > > the necessary information as well. > G > In the test I had made, it seemed  to pickup all the information from  > the permanent configuration. > A > (eg: SET CONF INTERFACE XXA0 /everything , so that when you SET E > INTERFACE XXA0, it takes it from the permanent config. As I said, I J > didn't do extensive testing, but when I tested it, it seemed to porperly9 > populate the interface with the permanent config data).   C Definitely didn't happen in my case (VMS 7.3 VAX, TCPIP 5.3 ECO 4).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:08:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: Re: keeping messages from TCPIP$SMTP , Message-ID: <4437FC13.EFCA5761@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: D > It appears that about 25% of emails to non-existent users generateJ > bounces which in turn bounce back to me.  What happens to the other 75%?  @ They could simply be accepted by the remote systems and ignored.F Messages from "postmaster" are often treated differently when they are for non-delivery notifications.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 04:25:23 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS on zx2000 or zx6000) Message-ID: <T00_f.2096$wH1.912@trnddc03>   ) FredK <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> wrote:   + > <taylor.garry@gmail.com> wrote in message ? > news:1144499297.972945.218280@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...  > > Hi, H > > Seems zx2000 machines are getting affordable on the s/h market, I'veJ > > read that these are practically identical to some rackmount systems onK > > which OpenVMS is supported, so I'm simply wondering if it's possible to  > > run OpenVMS on a zx2000? > >   L > Yes, as long as you are not looking for official support - the basic boxes- > will work but not all the bells & whistles.   N > The zx6000 is identical to the rx2600 except for some firmware, and the cardL > cage (that provides an AGP - which will not work as we never completed theK > support work for it).  I'm not sure we ever had an rx6000, but I'm pretty  > confident that it works.  G Why was AGP dropped from the rx26x0 systems?  I would have expected AGP D in the rx26x0 systems would have increased the available options for video cards. --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:56:44 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> H Subject: Re: Question About My PL/1 License vis-a-vis My OpenVMS License) Message-ID: <op.s7prguwuzgicya@hyrrokkin>    Chuck,  K The hobbyist licenses for PL/I that we generate automatically off the web    siteK assume workstation class machine, not everyone has a 4100 in their family    room. C Write me off line and we should be able to get you an adequate pak.    Tom   L On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:53:12 -0700, Schnootling <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>   wrote:   > Hi Folks,  > * > I have an Alpha with a Hobbyist license: > $ license list openvms-alpha# > License Management Facility  V1.2  > C > License Database File:       SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDB;1 * > Created on:                  23-FEB-2006% > Created by user:             SYSTEM # > Created by LMF Version:      V1.2  > % > ----------------------------------- " > OPENVMS-ALPHA                DEC > [End Of List]  > $ ☻ $ > $ license list openvms-alpha /full# > License Management Facility  V1.2  > C > License Database File:       SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDB;1 * > Created on:                  23-FEB-2006% > Created by user:             SYSTEM # > Created by LMF Version:      V1.2  > % > ----------------------------------- $ > Issuer:                      DECUS6 > Authorization:               DECUS-USA-911586-876234, > Product Name:                OPENVMS-ALPHA" > Producer:                    DEC  > Units:                       0" > Version:                     0.0* > Release Date:                18-DEC-2006* > PAK Termination Date:        18-DEC-2006  > Availability:                0G > Activity:                    A (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited 
 > or Base)' > Options:                     NO_SHARE ) > Hardware ID:                 NI82205KFG  >   > Revision Level:              1% > Status:                      Active ' > Command:                     REGISTER % > Modified by user:            SYSTEM 6 > Modified on:                 23-FEB-2006 21:37:07.49 > [End Of List]  > 7 > My Alpha 4100 responds to a SHOW LICENSE /CHARGE with  > $ show license /charge, > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node UNIT02@ > This is a AlphaServer 4100 5/533 4MB, hardware model type 1609H > Type: A, Units Required: 700    (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited
 > or Base)6 > Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server); > Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User) 7 > Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation) F > Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)8 > Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products), > Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved): > Type: H, Units Required: 1100   (Alpha Layered Products)4 > Type: I, Units Required: 1100   (Layered Products) > G > I thought I had a gotten a valid PLI hobbyist license for my Alpha. A  > LICENSE LIST PLI /FULL shows:  > $ license list pli /full# > License Management Facility  V1.2  > C > License Database File:       SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDB;1 * > Created on:                  23-FEB-2006% > Created by user:             SYSTEM # > Created by LMF Version:      V1.2  > % > ----------------------------------- % > Issuer:                      KEDNOS 2 > Authorization:               HOBBYIST-20060224-1" > Product Name:                PLI% > Producer:                    KEDNOS # > Units:                       1050 " > Version:                     4.4% > Release Date:                (none) * > PAK Termination Date:        24-FEB-20079 > Availability:                H (Alpha Layered Products)   > Activity:                    0$ > Options:                     ALPHA > Hardware ID: >   > Revision Level:              1% > Status:                      Active ' > Command:                     REGISTER % > Modified by user:            SYSTEM 6 > Modified on:                  8-APR-2006 09:59:28.62 > [End Of List]  > ( > When I try to load the license, I get: > $ license load pli3 > %LICENSE-W-NOLOAD, license was not loaded for PLI D > -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits > I > Do I have too much stuff on my machine ? Anyone know what is going on ?  >  > Chuck  >  >  > F > P.S. I have the (what I thought were) usual layered products license > registered and loaded: > $ license list# > License Management Facility  V1.2  > C > License Database File:       SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDB;1 * > Created on:                  23-FEB-2006% > Created by user:             SYSTEM # > Created by LMF Version:      V1.2  > % > ----------------------------------- " > ACMS                         DEC" > ACMS-REM                     DEC" > ACMS-RT                      DEC" > ACMSXP-DEV                   DEC" > ACMSXP-RT                    DEC" > ADA                          DEC" > ADA-PDO                      DEC" > ALLIN1-MAIL-DW-CLIENT        DEC" > ALLIN1-MAIL-SERVER           DEC" > ALLIN1-MAIL-SERVER-USER      DEC" > ALLIN1-MAIL-VT-CLIENT        DEC" > ALLIN1-MAIL-VT-USER          DEC" > ALLIN1-MAIL-WAN-SERVER       DEC" > BASIC                        DEC" > C                            DEC" > CMS                          DEC" > COBOL                        DEC" > CXX-V                        DEC" > DCE-APP-DEV                  DEC" > DCE-CDS                      DEC" > DCE-SECURITY                 DEC" > DCPS-OPEN                    DEC" > DCPS-PLUS                    DEC" > DECDCS-SRV-VA                DEC" > DECMIGRATE                   DEC" > DECRAM                       DEC" > DECWRITE                     DEC" > DECWRITE-USER                DEC" > DESKTOP-ACMS                 DEC" > DFG                          DEC" > DFS                          DEC" > DQS                          DEC" > DTM                          DEC" > DTR                          DEC" > DTR-UI-JAPANESE              DEC" > DVNETEND                     DEC" > DVNETEXT                     DEC" > DW-MOTIF                     DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-CESKY            DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-DEUTSC           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-ESPANO           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-FRANCA           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-HANGUL           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-HANYU            DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-HANZI            DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-HEBREW           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-ITALIA           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-JAPANE           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-MAGYAR           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-POLSKI           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-RUSSKI           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-SLOVEN           DEC" > DW-MOTIF-UI-SVENSK           DEC" > DW-SNA-3270-TE-VMS           DEC" > EXT-MATH-LIB                 DEC" > EXT-MATH-LIB-RT              DEC" > FMS                          DEC" > FMS-RT-UI-JAPANESE           DEC" > FMS-UI-HANGUL                DEC" > FMS-UI-JAPANESE              DEC" > FORMS                        DEC" > FORMS-RT                     DEC" > FORMS-RT-UI-HANGUL           DEC" > FORMS-RT-UI-HANYU            DEC" > FORTRAN                      DEC" > GKS                          DEC" > GKS-RT                       DEC" > GKS-RT-UI-JAPANESE           DEC" > GKS-UI-JAPANESE              DEC" > GKS3D                        DEC" > GKS3D-RT                     DEC" > LSE                          DEC" > MACRO64                      DEC" > MAILBUS-400-API              DEC" > MAILBUS-400-MTA              DEC" > MMOV-DV                      DEC" > MMOV-RT                      DEC" > MMS                          DEC" > NOTES                        DEC" > OPENVMS-ALPHA                DEC" > OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER           DEC" > OPENVMS-HOBBYIST             DEC" > OPS5                         DEC" > PASCAL                       DEC" > PCA                          DEC" > PHIGS                        DEC" > PHIGS-RUNTIME                DEC" > PHIGS-RUNTIME-UI-JAPAN       DEC" > PHIGS-UI-JAPANESE            DEC% > PLI                          KEDNOS " > RMSJNL                       DEC" > RTR-CL                       DEC" > RTR-SVR                      DEC" > SQL-DEV                      DEC" > SSU                          DEC" > UCX                          DEC" > UCX-IP-CLIENT                DEC" > UCX-IP-NFS                   DEC" > UCX-IP-RT                    DEC" > VAXCLUSTER                   DEC" > VAXSET                       DEC" > VMS-UI-JAPANESE              DEC" > VMSCLUSTER                   DEC" > VOLSHAD                      DEC" > X25                          DEC" > X25-CLIENT                   DEC" > X500-ADMIN-FACILITY          DEC" > X500-DIRECTORY-SERVER        DEC >    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Apr 2006 17:22:50 -0700 . From: "Schnootling" <chuckmoore55@hotmail.com>H Subject: Re: Question About My PL/1 License vis-a-vis My OpenVMS LicenseC Message-ID: <1144542170.389635.190900@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>    Hi Tom,    Sounds good. Will do.   - I guess it's good I didn't get the GS140 ....    Chuck    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:46:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Quorum, locks and application question , Message-ID: <44385970.382303CB@teksavvy.com>  E Say I have an application which runs on every node of the cluster and F each instance uses locks to assert itself and tell the other instances& about its ability to service requests.  @ Does the application need to worry about quorum issues at all ?   D If node A is disconnected, is it correct to assume that applicationsD running on the other nodes will immediatly see the loss of the locks" help by their peer that ran on A ?   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 02:52:19 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 3 Subject: Re: Quorum, locks and application question ( Message-ID: <e19st3$fku$2@pcls4.std.com>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   F >Say I have an application which runs on every node of the cluster andG >each instance uses locks to assert itself and tell the other instances ' >about its ability to service requests.   A >Does the application need to worry about quorum issues at all ?    E >If node A is disconnected, is it correct to assume that applications E >running on the other nodes will immediatly see the loss of the locks # >help by their peer that ran on A ?   = When node A is kicked out, all locks held by it are released.   J If you use lock value blocks, you'll need to handle the VALNOTVALID statusI (or however it's spelled).  Also, if you expect locks to be released in a F particular order, or particular things to have happened when they are 9 released, well, you will need to deal with these as well.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:12:29 +08003 From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com> 3 Subject: Re: Quorum, locks and application question 1 Message-ID: <e19u1j$mrs$1@news-02.connect.com.au>    Hi JF,  F > If node A is disconnected, is it correct to assume that applicationsF > running on the other nodes will immediatly see the loss of the locks& > hel[d] by their peer that ran on A ?  I I'd say that if the applications on other nodes had lock requests pending L for the resources held by their peers on Node A then the short answer is yesL depending on what you mean by "immediately". (And they should revalidate the Value Block if necessary)    Consider this conundrum: -  G Q. How does a Rdb Monitor process faithfully implement it's FREEZE lock I mechanism so as to protect the ACID properties of a database transaction?   H A. Stuffed if I know. (There was a discussion in ITRC about this a while back)   J 1) Process A on Node X has entered a Cayman Island transaction for $1B andF will have to rollback 'cos a commit-time constraint will stop it going through.J 2) Process B on Node Y has a lock pending on this Account record and wants+ to transfer the balance to the Isle of Man. I 3) Node Z is thrashing away sending tree re-mastering requests all around ( the cluster and being a general nuisance 4) Node X dies : L : From this point on I imagine the possibility of a race-condition. That is,B what *right-now* is stopping Process B from seeing the dodgy data? : L 5) An (abitrary? FCFS?) Rdb monitor process sees that it's mate on node X isG gone and at VMS priority 15, promotes its lock request on FREEZE to PW. L 6) Because all processes that take out (RW?) transactions in a database mustL first take out a (CR?) lock on the freeze lock  they are now BLASTed to stop what they are doing.G 7) The monitor now kicks off a recovery process to rollback Process A's 1 transaction before letting everyone else back in. H 8) I think there's a logical name that can be set to limit the number ofF recovery processes that the Rdb monitor will start. (And they may be aJ further restriction that with global buffers enabled there can only be one  recovery job running at a time.)  D So why isn't it possible for the row lock to be granted and the dataF retrieved/processed in the time it takes to receive a BLAST from a RdbI monitor process (potentially on another busy node) via the DLM? Why would E this not be an issue even on a single node SMP node? She'll be right?    Cheers Richard Maher  J PS. JF if you want to go off and investigate the CVTSYS flag and come back1 with documented examples then that would good :-)   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:44385970.382303CB@teksavvy.com...G > Say I have an application which runs on every node of the cluster and H > each instance uses locks to assert itself and tell the other instances( > about its ability to service requests. > A > Does the application need to worry about quorum issues at all ?  > F > If node A is disconnected, is it correct to assume that applicationsF > running on the other nodes will immediatly see the loss of the locks$ > help by their peer that ran on A ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:12:18 GMT ( From: Alan Greig <greigaln@netscape.net> Subject: Salute to Ken Olsen= Message-ID: <CjYZf.34783$zI1.32240@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   ? The following was recently posted in alt.sys.pdp10 by Bob Birch  ====4 I received the following email (below) regarding KO.* Though I would pass it on if there are any KO fans left, like me   	 Bob Birch    Subject: Salute to Ken Olsen% Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:10:56 +0000   9 "..... Seems Ken Olsen is being honored by Gordon College >   in Wenham, MA and there will be a ceremonital groundbreaking? for the Ken Olsen Science Center.  You can find out information 0 about this by going to www.gordon.edu/olsenevent  ? There is no charge, but first come/first served registration is 	 required. D This would be a way for ex-DECcies to get together, and I'm thinking@ of maybe attending.  Funny, but my emotional ties are not to the=   universities from which I graduated, but to the 25 years of 7   "Digital Culture" that mean so much to me..........."    ====   --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:23:30 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>7 Subject: Re: SMTP: stop sending "no such user" messages * Message-ID: <Ce_Zf.4594$Q92.1203@trnddc04>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: E > In article <1144441454.001169.156790@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, - > "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> writes:   >  > I >>TCPIP V5.4 with ECO 2 or later (I know its in ECO 4) gives part of this E >>(see the release notes for the ECO for info).  You can add the line H >>Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability: FALSE to your SMTP.CONFIG file to haveH >>the receiver check the inbound name for deliverability (instead of the >>symbiont).   >    [snip]   > G > Of course, many headers are faked.  However, can I rely on the first  H > Received: header actually containing the email address from which the K > mail was received?  If so, then I could block them.  If they are sending  G > me spam, for whatever reason, I will probably get no legitimate mail   > from them.  E No, the email address (host name) may be faked, but the IP address is F correct.  Usually the local SMTP server will try to back-translate theB IP address to a host name, and if it doesn't match what was in theG "HELO" message, log all 3 (received host name, IP address, and address- D to-name translation of the IP address) in the RECEIVED: header.  I'm5 not sure exactly what UCX does, since I'm running MX.    > B > In some cases, they seem to be legitimate, if poorly configured,J > systems, i.e. open relays.  Is it worth sending email to the postmaster 3 > there in the hope it is really an honest mistake?  >   B In theory, yes.  But it probably won't do any good.  If they don'tB fix it or if the mail bounces because postmaster@misconfigured.comD doesn't exist, then block them.  (It will more likely bounce becauseD the mailbox is full, because thousands of other spam recipients have< done the same thing.  In which case, our work here is done.)   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:05:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ( Subject: Re: TCPIP$SMTP_POSTMASTER_ALIAS, Message-ID: <4437FB7A.C87134B4@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > F > Does defining TCPIP$SMTP_POSTMASTER_ALIAS have any effect other than; > setting the From: address of things like bounce messages?   E That is the primary purpose. And from the receiving system's point of C view, if it gets a message from "postmaster" destined to an unknown - user, it SHOULD ignore it and not bounce it.    C What you need to have though on your SMTP server node is a MAIL SET # FORWARD/user="postmaster" VALIDUSER   F When there are real problems and someone sends a valid complaint aboutH your system, then tend to send it to "postmaster", so you need to ensure? that you get it. In many cases, lack of response to a letter to 2 postmaster gets that system lincluded in the RBLs.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:05:36 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: TCPIP$SMTP_POSTMASTER_ALIAS$ Message-ID: <e191i0$opf$1@online.de>  5 In article <4437FB7A.C87134B4@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    1 > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > > H > > Does defining TCPIP$SMTP_POSTMASTER_ALIAS have any effect other than= > > setting the From: address of things like bounce messages?  > G > That is the primary purpose. And from the receiving system's point of E > view, if it gets a message from "postmaster" destined to an unknown / > user, it SHOULD ignore it and not bounce it.    G So this might solve the problem of double bounces.  I was getting email C to non-existent users, then bouncing it from TCPIP$SMTP, which then H bounced back to me since the recipient (apparent sender of the spam) hadB been forged.  So if I bounce it from postmaster to a non-existent D recipient, the remote system should NOT bounce it back to me, right?  G Of course, this doesn't solve the real problem that the bounce is sent  D in the first place, but I can solve this by moving to ALPHA for the G cluster alias and have the Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability set to false.   G This is not ideal, since this would also reject stuff where the sender  G had just mistyped a real email address, i.e. not spam to a non-existent F address.  Would a real person sending email see the "not deliverable"  message?  E > What you need to have though on your SMTP server node is a MAIL SET % > FORWARD/user="postmaster" VALIDUSER   = Yes, I have that (and still have one for TCPIP$SMTP as well).   H > When there are real problems and someone sends a valid complaint aboutJ > your system, then tend to send it to "postmaster", so you need to ensureA > that you get it. In many cases, lack of response to a letter to 4 > postmaster gets that system lincluded in the RBLs.  F Right.  In my case, though, I send emails through someone else's well I maintained SMTP server with fixed IP address.  I started using this when  H I moved to a dynamic IP address, since many sites disallow whole blocks - of what they know to be dynamic IP addresses.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:54:23 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>& Subject: Re: Using the Serial Terminal* Message-ID: <jPZZf.4590$Q92.3587@trnddc04>   Wilm wrote: A > One of my customer users serial comms on (VAX-)VMS in two ways:  > E > 1. A user uses a PC to connect to a VMS application with a terminal G > emulator. The application uses FMS forms. Input from a weighing scale H > is routed to the FMS form via a terminal emulator script. The scale isG > connected to the COM-port of the PC that hosts the terminal emulator. H >>From a VMS point of view, this input is "as if typed on the keyboard".I > No special provisions are taken in the application. The user just types 8 > in the weight, as far as the application is concerned. > I > 2. That same application environment drives a nummer of pallet devices, H > to place large pallets full of books into a warehouse. The device thatF > actually moves the pallets and drives the cranes is a PC. This PC isE > connected to VMS via two serial lines, a "send line" and a "receive H > Line". VMS allocates two serial lines, say TXC0: and TXC1: on startup.H > The application on the PC and the VMS application have a protocol thatE > allows datagrams to be sent back and forth, and acted upon. The low B > level protcocol is "transparent binary" on the VMS serial lines. > I > The command used to set the line characteristics for these lines on VMS 
 > startup is:  >  > $SET TERM TXcn:  /PERMANENT- > /NOBROADCAST-  > /NOWRAP -  > /SPEED=(9600)- > /DEVICE_TYPE(unknown)- > /NOAUTOBAUD - 
 > /NOFORM- > /PASTHRU- 
 > /NOECHO- > /PARITY=ODD /NOEIGHT_BIT -
 > /TYPEAHEAD-  > /NOTTSYNC- > /SYSPASSWORD- 
 > /DISMISS >  > HTH, > /Wilm  >   5 One thing I would do differently is set the terminals ; /permanent/notypeahead.  (This will cause it *not* to work, ; but will prevent chatter and spurious loginout processes if 8 something goes wrong, e.g. if the application crashes or fails to start up.  5 Then in the command file that starts the application, < allocate the terminal(s) and set it/them /typeahead (without: the /permanent), before running the application.  Then, if9 the application crashes, the process will get deleted and : the terminal will revert to its permanent characteristics.  7 If the app is run as a batch job, a spawned DCL command ; file, etc., just add the "$ allocate txcn:" and "$ set term , txcn:/typeahead" commands before running it.  : If the application is run via "$ run/detach app.exe" (with8 no DCL), then you have two ways to do it.  Either change5 the application to (optionally) allocate the terminal 9 (sys$alloc) and set the /typeahead mode with a sys$qio(w) 7 io$_setmode function immediately after assigning an i/o 6 channel to it.  Or create a small startup command file# (e.g.  app_startup.com) containing:     $ allocate txcn: !    $ set terminal txcn:/typeahead     $ run app.exe  and then start this up by using:*    $ run/detach  sys$system:loginout.exe -/         /input=app_startup.com[/output=app.log]      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 02:48:27 +0000 (UTC)7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) & Subject: Re: Using the Serial Terminal( Message-ID: <e19slr$fku$1@pcls4.std.com>  " John Santos <john@egh.com> writes:   >Wilm wrote: >> $SET TERM TXcn:  /PERMANENT-  ...  >> /SYSPASSWORD- ...   6 >One thing I would do differently is set the terminals< >/permanent/notypeahead.  (This will cause it *not* to work,< >but will prevent chatter and spurious loginout processes if9 >something goes wrong, e.g. if the application crashes or  >fails to start up.   D There is a hack using /SYSPASSWORD that accomplishes the same thing.  I think this is what he's doing.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:14:03 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>& Subject: Re: Using the Serial Terminal) Message-ID: <%Z_Zf.2340$XI6.789@trnddc05>    Michael Moroney wrote:$ > John Santos <john@egh.com> writes: >  > 
 >>Wilm wrote:  >> >>>$SET TERM TXcn:  /PERMANENT-  >  > ...  >  >>>/SYSPASSWORD- >  > ...  >  > 7 >>One thing I would do differently is set the terminals = >>/permanent/notypeahead.  (This will cause it *not* to work, = >>but will prevent chatter and spurious loginout processes if : >>something goes wrong, e.g. if the application crashes or >>fails to start up. >  > F > There is a hack using /SYSPASSWORD that accomplishes the same thing." > I think this is what he's doing.  @ Aha!  Do you actually need to define a system password, or if no@ system password is defined, does it just say "That wasn't right"A and effectively ignore any input.  (The system password has to by E typed blind before you see the sys$announce message and the username: D prompt.  I think it might send a bell, or maybe that only happens if@ you autobaud.  (In the "SET TERM" command snipped above, I think. there originally was an explicit /noautobaud.)  C Of course there is a one-in-a-zillion chance that random line noise C matches the system password and causes a spurious login sequence to ? start, but then again, random line noise could also produce the A name and password of a privileged account and then a delete/erase @ command on the system disk.  I won't wait up for it, though. :-)   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:00:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: Re: where to find SMTP.CONFIG, Message-ID: <4437FA2E.55F5D9F2@teksavvy.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: H > Question: How can I get the 5.3 version of the config file on a system > which is running 5.3?!?!  G I think the templates came with a file described in the comments as 5.1   C You need to read the release notes to find out about any additional E commands that were added to it. When VAX 5.3 was released, there were K many 5.1 manuals that continued to live, supplemented by the release notes.    ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:57:02 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)& Subject: Re: where to find SMTP.CONFIG2 Message-ID: <06040813570212_202002C3@antinode.org>  P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  K > >    The template file is all comments.  How much difference does it make  > > which version you have?  > I > Yes, but the comments mention what functionality is available.  Or was  1 > there no new functionality between 5.1 and 5.3?  > J > Apart from formatting, the 5.4 template is only slightly different than  > the 5.1 template.   H    I'd say that that pretty well answers your question.  As someone elseF has suggested, the release notes are your friends, especially the ones for the ECO kits.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.196 ************************