1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 17 Apr 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 212       Contents:- Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?  Re: Badly need VMS 6.0 Re: Badly need VMS 6.0 Boot Camp Update April 14  Re: DSPP and OpenVMS mediaE Re: Is OpenVMS certified yet for 64-way Hard partitions (GS1280 M64). E Re: Is OpenVMS certified yet for 64-way Hard partitions (GS1280 M64). E Re: Is OpenVMS certified yet for 64-way Hard partitions (GS1280 M64).   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) 6 Subject: Re: Anybody got the kit for BASIC and COBOL ?( Message-ID: <e1u4h1$3oj$1@pcls4.std.com>  D It appears that vmsone.com is permanently unreachable.  I am lookingE for the Advanced Server kit for a hobbyist system.  Is this available  online at all?   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:57:55 -0500 (CDT) * From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Badly need VMS 6.0 2 Message-ID: <06041612575542_202002C3@antinode.org>   From: tomarsin2015@comcast.net  5 > Does anybody have 6.0 on tk50/cd that I can borrow.   (    Yes.  It's on the Hobbyist V1 CD-ROM.   >  I am upgrading a  > 5.52h4 system.      Apparently not.   > thanks > phil  C    I'll be home for an hour or so.  You can stop by and pick it up.   	    Steve,    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:59:31 -0400 ' From: Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: Badly need VMS 6.0 9 Message-ID: <A9GdncmPXohxet_ZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@libcom.com>    tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: F > Does anybody have 6.0 on tk50/cd that I can borrow. I am upgrading a > 5.52h4 system. > thanks > phil >    Pretty sure I have it.   Where are you located?  H Note, if you're going to V6, then V6.2 will be a much better version to + go to.  Is there some reason you want V6.0?   I I do seem to remember that one had to go to V6.0 before going past that.  G   When I did that, I did a minimal upgrade, not including the optional  ? stuff at all.  Just the 'B' save set.  It's been quite a while.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2006 18:07:35 -0700) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com> " Subject: Boot Camp Update April 14B Message-ID: <1145236055.166569.63760@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>  D Here is this weeks OpenVMS Advanced technical Boot Camp Update. As a> wonderful addition to the boot camp we will be having some newE Integrity Hardware and from our friends in Storageworks not only will A there be EVA's for the hands on but also an XP! How cool is that!   E Scholarships will be closed on April 15 (please see attached) and the $ winners notified on Monday April 17.   Registration Goal 200  Seats Committed =  160
 % full =  80%  Seats available =  40 (or less)  Registered = 150! % of new attendees =  37% (aprox) # % of repeat attendees = 63% (aprox)  Weeks until Boot Camp 5 % Folks from out side the US = 67 (45%)  Countries represented = 17 Germany  England  Netherlands  Switzerland  Sweden Canada Ireland  Austria  France	 Australia  Belgium  India  New Zealand  India  Spain  US China     . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html    @ Warm Regards as always and thank you for your continued support.   Sue     7 _______________________________________________________   " This was sent several weeks ago---  ? I wanted to let you know about the availability of two types of E scholarships available to end user customers.  These scholarships are B for tuition only, travel and expenses are still up to the student.F Please do not over think these, we want to make this fun and the leastD amount of work for everyone.  Boot Camp registration is currently atE 50% but we wanted to give an additional opportunity to folks that may " not normally attend the boot camp.  G 1. Scholarships (3) one per company (end user Customer) willing to do a E public testimonial regarding the use of OpenVMS on Integrity servers. / Details will be provided if you are interested.   G 2. Scholarship for VMS people under 30 years of age. (Two Scholarships) C This has to be a nomination from the persons manager the winners of ? this scholarship will be determined by the OpenVMS SIG (Special D Interest Group).  The manager needs to write a few paragraphs on whyC they think the person would benefit from being at the boot camp and 7 with the VMS community.  Submissions need to be sent to . Susan.Skonetski@hp.com no later than April 15.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:20:47 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> # Subject: Re: DSPP and OpenVMS media ) Message-ID: <op.s74i4xqrzgicya@hyrrokkin>   F On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:08:09 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:  K > My only issue with this would be for the IA64 OpenVMS distro.  Presently, K > this comes on a DVD.  What if one does not have a DVD burner to create an  > OpenVMS IA64 DVD?   J I bought a Plextor 716A off ebay for $42 and it works fine in an XP1000,   burns  both CDs and DVDs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:59:56 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>N Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS certified yet for 64-way Hard partitions (GS1280 M64).6 Message-ID: <4442F69C.726DB363@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Richard Maher wrote: > [snip]M > "Build it and they will come"??? - They have bloody built it! It's the most N > reliable, disaster-tolerent high-performance powerhouse you've ever seen. ToJ > quote a recent disasterous Australian Tourism campaign "Where the bloody > hell are ya?"    Ask: support at cerner dot com   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:18:03 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>N Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS certified yet for 64-way Hard partitions (GS1280 M64).5 Message-ID: <4442FADB.5400EEB@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David J. Dachtera  > [snip]F > Again, you obviously work in this environment, so help me understand5 > what you are positioning when you say "middleware".    > [snip]6 > Ah, so the issue is not technical, but a cost issue? > F > Lets not mix the arguments - is it a technical or cost issue you are > concerned with?    Both.   C > Whether you use 2 x 32CPU servers or 1 64CPU server, since Oracle < > charges per CPU, the base Oracle costs should be the same.  E Refer to Oracle pricing structures and "grandfathering" of previously  existing configurations.  	 > What is G > different is that Oracle RAC adds something like 25-50% of additional F > per cpu license cost, but then you also have the ability to shutdownH > servers with zero impact on application availability, so there is someD > additional benefits over a hot-cold (active-passive) server model. >  > [snip...]  > @ > > > > > As others have stated, the 64CPU cert on OpenVMS Alpha > > can likely be I > > > > > done, but it will require some firm business justifications and ) > > > > > commitment from real Customers.  > > > > > > > > > How 'bout, "staying in business"? Is that considered a > > > > "justification"? > > > > 
 > > > > -- > > > @ > > > Absolutely. However, doing expensive testing when you have > > no Customers@ > > > or ISV's willing to commit to a purchase is a great way to > > hasten that  > > > point. > > A > > ...unless your competition is already doing it which case you  > > either get( > > with the program or GTFO of the way. > > ; > > > Most vendors (not just HP) are well beyond the techie  > > concept of "build F > > > it and they will come" attitudes - that went out many years ago. > > > > > ...along with the platforms that were sold that way during > > their heyday. A > > When the business/sales model changed and put the cart before  > > the horse,@ > > the market evaporated, as we have seen - and continue to see > > - with VMS > > and Alpha. > >  >  > Ok, lets play devil's    read: stockholder's   1 > advocate for a moment. Lets say HP goes through G > all of the effort to certify 64CPU's with no commitments from anyone.   G On any balance sheet, you'll find listed under headings synonymous with  "the cost of doing business".   E > Just ignores Cerner, Oracle and Govt's formal overall solution cert  > requirements.   G Irrelevent in this context. Regardless of certification, capacity needs A grow. This has been a given in the industry almost since day one.   I > HP eats the cert cost with the techie vision of "build it and they will  > come ..".   A Not really. It's called "anticipating the market" and is standard ! business practice the world over.   E I also refuse to believe for one moment that no need for greater than ) 64-CPU capacity has been expressed to HP.   G > Then, continuing the what-if scenario, Cerner comes out and says "the F > RAC model licensing costs have been ironed out and due to the higherB > availability model, we recommend our Customers not buy the 64CPUJ > active-passive model, but rather adopt the higher availability 2 x 32CPU > server active-active model".  E ...except that Cerner's issues with RAC are not cost related. Invalid 	 argument.   6 > So, should HP just say "oh well .. And eat the cost?  D Oh - I think I get it now. No one should ever need more than 640K of: RAM, and no one should ever need more than a 32-CPU Alpha.   Did I get it right that time?   I > Lets be clear - no vendor is going to make a large certification effort I > without some level of commitment from its target Customers or Partners. . > That is simply not a good business practice.  E On what planet? Certainly not any I've ever lived on, else we'd never G have seen Alpha to begin with and we'd all be happily plugging along on " ENIACs, System/3's VAXes or z80's.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:07:41 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>N Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS certified yet for 64-way Hard partitions (GS1280 M64).6 Message-ID: <4442F86D.D00F5333@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----< > > From: Richard Maher [mailto:maher_rj@hotspamnotmail.com]! > > Sent: April 15, 2006 11:46 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 > > Subject: Re: Is OpenVMS certified yet for 64-way Hard  > > partitions (GS1280 M64). > > 
 > > Hi David,  > > @ > > > Not much to tell. Oracle has evolved from its VMS roots to > > a UN*XlandC > > > item. It runs within its own "realm", oblivious to O.S.-level  > > > clustering.  > > = > > Yes, yes, yes and I'm also led to believe that it prefers  > > total control ofB > > virgin disks that have no OS formatting or file system at all. > >  > H > That's UNIX stuff .. Oracle has always supported OpenVMS file systems.  C Well, yes and no. It tolerates the environment, but gets hopelessly  balled up on bound volume-sets.   I > In recent 9i and above, it doe require ODS5 file structures on OpenVMS.   H Not really a software requirement, but rather the product of having beenH developed in an environment where ODS-2's restrictions are not the norm.C (Mixed case filenames, multiple dots, deep directories, and so on.)    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.212 ************************                                                    r:       Joe Meadows    Architecture: VAX    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HEXIFY!    Version:      V1.2, 2-JUL-1993G<    Description:  HEXIFY/DEHEXIFY (binary<->ASCII converters)5    Author:       Various (AXP port by Hunter Goatley)-    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     MACRO-32-P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HGFTPo$    Version:      V3.1-3, 29-MAR-2006<    Description:  FTP client and server for VMS (uses NETLIB)8    Author:       Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com>    Architecture: VAX,AXP,IA64E    # of parts:   -    Language:     BLISS32P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HGLOGINt"    Version:      V1.6, 11-FEB-2004\    Description:  HGLOGIN - login as another user without a password (or execute one command)8    Author:       Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com>    Architecture: VAX,AXP,IA640    # of parts:   -    Language:     BLISSP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HGSD$    Version:      V2.3-1, 11-FEB-2004F    Description:  Yet another SET DEFAULT replacement, with stack, etc.8    Author:       Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com>    Architecture: VAX,AXP,IA64     # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HINDEX"    Version:      V1.0 (5-NOV-2003);    Description:  Search OpenVMS HELP libraries for keywords-5    Author:       Michael D. Duffy <duffy@process.com>-    Architecture: VAX,AXP,IA64     # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HPLASER     Version:      5-JUL-1993o>    Description:  A VMS print symbiont for HP LaserJet printers    Author:       Nick de Smith    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HPWD    Version:      5-JUL-1993 G    Description:  Portable C sources for VMS password hashing algorithms =    Author:       Shawn Clifford  <sysop@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu>-    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HTTP_SERVER !    Version:      V3.2, 4-MAR-1998cH    Description:  A DECthreads-based HTTP server (World-Wide Web) for VMS>    Author:       David Jones <JONESD@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu>    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     CP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ICALCo$    Version:      V2.2V+, 13-APR-2000;    Description:  An infix calculator for VMS, UNIX, and DOS-8    Author:       Rao Akella, David Mathog, Jerome Lauret    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     C, FORTRANnT    Homepage URL: http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/htbin/software_list.cgi?package=icalcP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IDEZRn    Version:      15-JAN-2003L    Description:  Programs to reset SCSI bus devices and other similar things2    Author:       Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>    Architecture: VAX,AXP    # of parts:   -    Language:     MACROP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMGID:'    Version:      V1.01-001, 29-MAR-1996/0    Description:  Display image ident information   