1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 08 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 438       Contents:5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail? 5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail? 5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail? 5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail? 5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?  Back at work Re: Back at work Re: Back at work& Re: JAVA: The minimum you need to know; Re: OpenVMS, Alpha still rule roost in Intel fabs (2005-09)  Re: USB numeric keypad anyone? Re: USB numeric keypad anyone?) VMS 7.3 vs 8.x - java in HTML files, Hmm. - Re: VMS 7.3 vs 8.x - java in HTML files, Hmm. " VMS backup: competition from Apple  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:34:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?, Message-ID: <44D7799A.8FDD84E5@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >    That kind of thing can be fonud in most browsers.  Try reading your% >    email via Mozilla, works for me.     H You're missing the point. If you want your VMS host to be sending emailsE (either via DCL procedures or WEB scripts or interactively), then you C need that authentication capability built into the VMS mail system.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:03:01 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> > Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?) Message-ID: <op.tdxdrbpgzgicya@hyrrokkin>   / On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:32:21 -0700, JF Mezei  =   % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Hoff Hoffman wrote: I >>    The other approaches are to seek and acquire ISP authorization for=   E >> your SMTP mail server, or to use an alternate mail client (MSA) to  >> submit your email.  > I > You do realise that you are effgectively suggesting one move off VMS ?=   # > ("use an alternate mail client").   I Nothing wrong with that, and it is a better solution, but then you could=    =    use ! soyMail too, which is quite good.  > F > The point is that we want VMS to be modern and usable in the currentI > environment. SMTP is being tightened up in many ways to prevent spam. =  SoI > either HP re-hires engineers to do work on the TCPIP Services product,=   I > or you open-source it NOW so that we (the users) can gradually add the=    > missing features.   ( Or you use a third party product like MX   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:12:31 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>> Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?2 Message-ID: <P8NBg.1669$HQ4.1151@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote: H >>    The other approaches are to seek and acquire ISP authorization forE >> your SMTP mail server, or to use an alternate mail client (MSA) to  >> submit your email.  > I > You do realise that you are effgectively suggesting one move off VMS ?  # > ("use an alternate mail client").   E    Eh?  There are various supported and freeware MUAs (mail clients)  E available for OpenVMS.  I certainly usually end up packaging several  I MUAs onto each Freeware, and the SWB (Mozilla) client for OpenVMS offers   a MUA.  F > The point is that we want VMS to be modern and usable in the currentH > environment. SMTP is being tightened up in many ways to prevent spam.   E    So you're really and seriously asking for us to violate the RFCs?  9 (That sort of approach would require justification, too.)   F    I can understand wanting to have this, but MTAs operate on port 25 H and not on port 587.  MTAs are not supposed to send to port 587.  Which H means you either use an MUA and operate as a client as the ISP expects, E or you negotiate with your ISP to provide authorized port 25 access.  I (And if it's not obvious, OpenVMS provides an MUA that operates with its  A MTA, and expects the MTAs to be connected per established norms.)   F    I'd certainly not mind seeing an integrated MUA client for OpenVMS B (either via the existing SMTP% transport, or via some replacement G transport), for those that are using OpenVMS as a client behind an ISP  I and need to move to port 587 and into an MSA.  And it would not surprise  I me if there was such a construct around -- I certainly have the shell of  F the transport image around, as do others.  (But having an MTA connect A into an MSA is a non-starter without a whole lot more supporting   justification.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:29:36 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>> Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?0 Message-ID: <44D7E900.66E8EF2C@spam.comcast.net>   Spud Demon wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> writes in article <44D645C4.E45079FC@spam.comcast.net> dated Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:40:52 -0500:9 > >My take on his question was similar to my own quandry:  > > G > >From my hobbyist Alpha, how to I MAIL something to an SMTP recipient ? > >using my ISP's SMTP agent as the up-line forwarder when SMTP $ > >authentication is being enforced? > H > Why tie yourself to your ISP's mail server?  OpenVMS has one, and it'sA > fully capable of routing your messages to the right MX domains.   @ If I wanted to be a mail server admin., I'd start up my own ISP.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:15:32 -0400 . From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>> Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?, Message-ID: <44D801CB.78517658@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: F >    Eh?  There are various supported and freeware MUAs (mail clients) > available for OpenVMS.    H The point being that they bypass VMS as a mail infrastructure to connectG to remote non-VMS servers. And it means that the lack of authentication G for the receiver also means that you cannot support remote clients (for M instance, you own employees connecting to your SMTP server while travelling).   G >    I can understand wanting to have this, but MTAs operate on port 25  > and not on port 587.  G Nobody asked for the MTA to connect to port 587. They asked for the MTA C to support authentication to be available when the MTA is used as a $ forwarder to a defined gateway MTA.   F > or you negotiate with your ISP to provide authorized port 25 access.  G Large ISPs do not negotiate with customers. They are large organisation H totally detached from their customers and who see customers as necessary0 evil that must be contained as much as possible.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Aug 2006 15:55:59 -0700 ) From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>  Subject: Back at work @ Message-ID: <1154991358.809465.6780@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>   Dear Newsgroup,   D I just wanted to let everyone know that I am now back at work.  I amG not 100% but really needed to get back to work.  Thank you for all your  support.   Warm Regards, and big hugs,    Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 23:17:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Back at work , Message-ID: <44D80236.E26E84C8@teksavvy.com>  
 Sue wrote:A > I just wanted to let everyone know that I am now back at work.       Finally !!!! Welcome back....   E Sue, while you were away, your engineers didn't even release a single E new version of VMS. :-) Your return is really appreciated ! Hope your G knee returns to full function soon, you'll need it to kick a few people ' in the derrire :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:59:27 GMT ) From: patrick jankowiak <eccm@swbell.net>  Subject: Re: Back at work ; Message-ID: <z_TBg.2546$%j7.276@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>   
 Sue wrote:   > Dear Newsgroup,  > F > I just wanted to let everyone know that I am now back at work.  I amI > not 100% but really needed to get back to work.  Thank you for all your 
 > support. >  > Warm Regards, and big hugs,  >  > Sue  >   G What a pleasure to finally come back here and find a post from you! It   has brightened my day.   I hope you are well!   Patrick    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Aug 2006 11:35:17 -0700  From: sean@obanion.us / Subject: Re: JAVA: The minimum you need to know C Message-ID: <1154975717.149586.258560@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   $ It's working now: I just bought one.     Sean   Neil Rieck wrote: $ > <sean@obanion.us> wrote in message? > news:1154877430.972546.194510@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... C > > The server in the order link does not seem to be responding.... D > > And the Java book is not listed on Island's reference book page. > > 4 > > Anybody have any success this weekend with this? > >  > >  > > Sean > >  > I > I can ping the server but port 80 appears to be dead (they probably use  > Windows to take orders :-) > M > Until they reboot their ordering software, I've posted a few comments here: W > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html#TMYNTK-About-Java-on-OpenVMS  > L > I've only read the "Introduction" and "Chapter 1" so far. The IntroductionL > contains a humorous (but probably true) account about how IT decisions areM > made "On Mahogany Row". This partially explains why OpenVMS software people 3 > are sometimes forced to implement Java solutions.  >  >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.: > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html; > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:51:35 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>D Subject: Re: OpenVMS, Alpha still rule roost in Intel fabs (2005-09)+ Message-ID: <H6SBg.10529$qw5.2538@trnddc06>    Bill Todd wrote:" > Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > A >> In article <kesAg.1524$sX.180@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman  $ >> <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> writes: >>J >>>   And my usual "AFAIK" porting refrain follows: there are no plans to E >>> port OpenVMS to the Intel IA-32, nor to Intel IA-32e, nor to AMD   >>> AMD64, ... >> >> >> You should rephrase it:A >> There are unfortunately still no plans to...that I'm aware of.  >  > I > That's what AFAIK means, so his phrasing appears adequate as it stands.  >  > - bill  F I think Peter's point is that Hoff should add the word "unfortunately" to his standard refrain.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:25:33 GMT , From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@hp.com>' Subject: Re: USB numeric keypad anyone? & Message-ID: <44D78181.29C71501@hp.com>   Bob Koehler wrote: > J >    My IBM T41 laptop has a nasty feature:  to get the numeric keypad youI >    have to hit shift-numlock and to get out you have to hit both again. J >    Compare this to my Dell which simply required holding a function key. > G >    When working with VMS this is a royal pain.  I've seen USB keypads G >    now in stores, featuring the full set of PC style numeric keys and / >    am wondering if it's worth the investment.  > F >    Has anyone tried one of these keypads with any of the VT terminal& >    emulators for PCs?  Any feedback? > I >    Unfortunately I haven't seen one with a full LK style keypad layout, G >    the last time I saw one of those it was on an ADB cable for a Mac.     F    A standard USB keypad should look just like tbe built in keypad you get H at by using shit+numlock.  The keypad will generate standard HID reports for - the keys on it.  So that will work just fine.   C    Getting an LK463 to work correctly and get all the keys is more  F problematic.  The keyboard generates documented key codes for all the F keys on it.  But for reasons best known to Windows it does not return G the codes it does not recognize to applications.  We ran into the same  ' issues when we tried it on a Apple MAC.      Forrest    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:28:14 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>' Subject: Re: USB numeric keypad anyone? 0 Message-ID: <44D7E8AE.53ED18E0@spam.comcast.net>   Forrest Kenney wrote:  >  > Bob Koehler wrote: > > L > >    My IBM T41 laptop has a nasty feature:  to get the numeric keypad youK > >    have to hit shift-numlock and to get out you have to hit both again. L > >    Compare this to my Dell which simply required holding a function key. > > I > >    When working with VMS this is a royal pain.  I've seen USB keypads I > >    now in stores, featuring the full set of PC style numeric keys and 1 > >    am wondering if it's worth the investment.  > > H > >    Has anyone tried one of these keypads with any of the VT terminal( > >    emulators for PCs?  Any feedback? > > K > >    Unfortunately I haven't seen one with a full LK style keypad layout, I > >    the last time I saw one of those it was on an ADB cable for a Mac.  > H >    A standard USB keypad should look just like tbe built in keypad you > get  > at by using shit+numlock.   G Let's see now: the "shit" key: is that the one with the "flying window"  on it?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 03:43:33 GMT ) From: patrick jankowiak <eccm@swbell.net> 2 Subject: VMS 7.3 vs 8.x - java in HTML files, Hmm.; Message-ID: <FLTBg.2544$%j7.650@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>    Hello,  G Some time ago my Alphaserver 2000 hardware failed for good. I replaced  B it with an XP1000 I inherited from my good friend John Wisniewski.  G When I put up the new webserver, my friend Mr. Smiley and I loaded VMS  E 8.3? (it had just come out) on it with Apache. Sure, why not put the  
 latest on?  D After FTP-ing some hundreds of HTML files over, I noticed that once B they got on the system live, I could use any web browser and view C source, and one short line of javascript had been inserted in each  C HTML file near the beginning. I verified this by FTP-ing the files  = back to myself and looking at them, sure enough it was there.   @ I never use jvascript, don't need it, and really it's a browser E security hole as far as I am concerned. This was disturbing or I was   disturbed by it anyway.   C I do not recall what the little string of code was exactly, and it  G seemed to do nothing, except maybe fiddle with the few pixels of slack  ? between the user's www display width and the width of a simple   width="100%" table.   F I apologize for not remembering, it has been a while since this and I E did not have news access for a very long time, until just now. I had  = been, for lack of a more exact single word, disinterested in  A participating for a long time due the Wiz's untimely demise, the  A Charlie Matco incident, and then the failure of the DEC computer  E museum before it was even born. It was alot to take but I better get   on with it now.   D Anyway, I nuked the version 8 system and all the data, went back to ) 7.3 and the javascript problem went away.   G Mr. Smiley and I both read upon the changes 7.3 to 8.x, etc, but could   not find anything.  A Was VMS 8.3 set up wrong with some default I don't know about or  A should it be playing with my HTML files? Did Apache do this? Has   anyone else seen this?  C Sorry for the dumb questions about an obscure problem that I don't  E remember all the details of. Sorry for whining about my friends. VMS  C is a hobby for me; a safe in which to keep my important data and a  D fort from which to serve the many purveyors of recondite interests. @ I'm not always privy to all the innermost secrets so blast away.  
 best regards,    Patrick Jankowiak  Master, Opcom's Bunker of Doom www.bunkerofdoom.com (the noncom dotcom)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:25:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 6 Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 vs 8.x - java in HTML files, Hmm., Message-ID: <44D8201D.CF9845DF@teksavvy.com>   patrick jankowiak wrote:C > they got on the system live, I could use any web browser and view D > source, and one short line of javascript had been inserted in eachD > HTML file near the beginning. I verified this by FTP-ing the files? > back to myself and looking at them, sure enough it was there.   G I would extract that one line of evil javascript, and search your whole G system for that line. It might reveal where it is stored, possibly some  configuration file.       > > I do not recall what the little string of code was exactly,   D It would have helped a lot to remember that string of code. (or come* here before you upgraded from 8.2 to 7.3).  B > participating for a long time due the Wiz's untimely demise, the > Charlie Matco incident,   0 There is still a community of VMS enthousiasts.   E > Anyway, I nuked the version 8 system and all the data, went back to + > 7.3 and the javascript problem went away.   $ Did you re-download the html files ?  G You didn't mention which TCPIP stack you have and whether you installed % some separate/different FTP software.   G If Apache had added the javascript, this would not have been visible if F you FTPed the files back to another system, it would have been visible$ only from a browser's "view source".  C Web servers can be configured to insert code in each HTML page they H feed.  But it is very hard for an FTP application to ADD contents insideM a file. (perhaps at the very top or very bottom, but not within the contents)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:40:28 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: VMS backup: competition from Apple , Message-ID: <44D823BB.8EE02AD7@teksavvy.com>  H Apple is having its litte party in San Francisco. Announced for its nextA version of the OS: a new backup technology called "Time Machine".    ##F To take advantage of Time Machine, users need a second hard drive. TheF software records a copy of every change made to a file, which requiredG Apple to add extensions to Leopard's file system, Brian Croll, director F of Mac OS X development, said in an interview following Jobs' keynote.@ Users can virtually "fly" back through time by scrolling throughE different windows that represent days, looking for the file they need - while appearing to travel into a black hole.   ##    @ And while HP apologists may still be supporting that IA64 thing,@ consider how quickly Apple has transitioned to the 8086. Its newD machine, the MacPro completes its transition in some 220 days. (less? than a year for full product revamp of their servers, desktops, H laptops). It uses the new intel Duo Core, and supports 64 bit computing.D MacOS will allow 64 bit and 32 bit applications to run concurrently.     http://www.apple.com/macpro/   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.438 ************************