1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 09 Aug 2006	Volume 2006 : Issue 440       Contents:5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail? 5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail? 5 Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail? ! Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP % Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP  Re: DCOM support on Itanium  RE: DCOM support on Itanium , How do I find which ci addresses are in use?0 Re: How do I find which ci addresses are in use?0 Re: How do I find which ci addresses are in use?- Re: VMS 7.3 vs 8.x - java in HTML files, Hmm. & Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple& Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple XP1000 1+4 beeps when starting" Re: XP1000 1+4 beeps when starting  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:27:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?, Message-ID: <44D8E583.987E87DF@teksavvy.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: F >    The RFCs are rather clear about not having MTAs connected to MSAs8 > (for all that the RFCs can actually mean in reality --    F Sorry, but SMTP is meant to be a peer to peer protocol.  What it meansD is that some clients use additional features of a server which other clients don't use them.   B In the case of an ISP, they want all clients to use autnenticationF features. So an SMTP agent that does not support authentication cannot. effectively connect to that ISP's SMTP server.  D Like it is not, this is the case.  At this point in time, VMS's SMTPH software does not participate properly in today,s SMTP world. It doesn'tH even handle greylisting (first attempt results in a non-fatal "try againG later" message, but VMS sees it as a fatal error and never delivers the  message again).   G RFCs evolve and new ones get tagged on to expand a protocol.  VMS needs  to follow suit.   F >    The intended configuration (from the perspective of the ISP) is aJ > MUA, meaning you need to use a client package -- and these are availableB > for OpenVMS, including the mail client inside the Mozilla suite.  > Mozilla does not run on all VMS instances, notably not on VAX.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Aug 2006 15:34:31 -0500  From: briggs@encompasserve.org> Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?3 Message-ID: <CFtgCiUXTqlz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <44D8E583.987E87DF@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Hoff Hoffman wrote: G >>    The RFCs are rather clear about not having MTAs connected to MSAs 9 >> (for all that the RFCs can actually mean in reality --  >  > H > Sorry, but SMTP is meant to be a peer to peer protocol.  What it meansF > is that some clients use additional features of a server which other > clients don't use them.   A Sorry, but it grates on me to hear someone use the terms "client" ? and "server" and "peer to peer" in the same sentence as if they  were the same thing.  C SMTP is a client server protocol.  The roles are clearly delineated A and are not at all symmetric.  It is not "peer to peer".  And the B ability to use optional extensions to a protocol hardly makes that protocol "peer to peer".  E Certainly, RFC 821 contemplates a store and forward messaging network  of cooperating peers.   < However, what RFC 821 describes is a client/server protocol.= (ETRN notwithstanding).  SMTP is not the whole banana.  It is < just a transport protocol.  You could swap out the transport: protocol and still have a functionally identical messaging network.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:16:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> > Subject: Re: Authentication for outgoing TCP/IP Services mail?, Message-ID: <44D8FF3C.FEEB0405@teksavvy.com>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: C > Sorry, but it grates on me to hear someone use the terms "client" A > and "server" and "peer to peer" in the same sentence as if they  > were the same thing. > $ > SMTP is a client server protocol.   H Technically you are right. But  a SMTP server can become an SMTP client.E I.E it acts as a server when receiving a message and acts as a client " when sending/forwarding a message.  G And in that context, whether a SMTP "engine" receives a call from a MUA 1 or other SMTP "engine" doesn't make a difference.   G The SMTP engine will make spam/relaying differences based on the origin C of an incoming call, not whether the call comes from an MUA or MTA.   E To this end, one need not differentiate between an MUA and MTA in the H SMTP context. The "MUA" is generally a scalled down SMTP server that canC only send messages to one SMTP server (gateway) and won't generally % automatically retry sending messages.   G And to this end, the SMTP server on VMS looks and acts like an MUA when C it tries to deliver messages to a gateway SMTP server, and as such, F there is nothing wrong in giving it attributes such as authentication.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:59:44 -04003 From: "Peter Weaver" <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> * Subject: Clients using a GUI to access FTP6 Message-ID: <026501c6bb2d$94d3d1b0$2802a8c0@CHARONVAX>  M I know this topic has come up in the past and HP has said that IE is broken,  L but that answer is like the guy being pulled out of his crumpled car by the I ambulance attendants saying "Sure I saw the transport truck coming at me  4 with its brakes on fire; But I had the green light."  H So has there been any advancement on having the "HP TCP/IP Services for M OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5" product produce a listing that IE would be happy  I with? I distribute files to my clients from my VMS box using FTP and one  8 client complained that he could not use IE (clicking on J ftp://username:password@ftp.weaverconsulting.ca) to access my files so my I site MUST be broken since IE works with every other FTP site he has ever   been on.  L So fine, HP is right, Microsoft is wrong, but I'm stuck walking my customer M through using the DOS FTP client because HP would rather be right than work.  K Very embarrassing for someone trying to show the world that VMS is a great   product to use.    Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca  CHARON-VAX  CHARON-AXP   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Aug 2006 14:28:35 -0700   From: "Ian Miller" <ijm@uk2.net>. Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTPC Message-ID: <1155072515.909952.319140@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>   E I think HGFTP does what you want and can be used as a replacement for  the FTP server in UCX.  5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/hgftp.zip    I looked in the V5.6 docs * http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/tcpip56.html  - but no mention of ftp listing format changes.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:28:48 -0400) From: "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> . Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTPH Message-ID: <7dd80f60608081628y5c5ffd1dg1e7750d5ce4b3862@mail.gmail.com>  = On 8/8/06, Peter Weaver <info-vax@weaverconsulting.ca> wrote: M > So fine, HP is right, Microsoft is wrong, but I'm stuck walking my customer N > through using the DOS FTP client because HP would rather be right than work.L > Very embarrassing for someone trying to show the world that VMS is a great > product to use.   . Have your client download and install SmartFTPC <http://www.smartftp.com/>. It works fine with vms files. It can be " configured to respond to ftp urls.   Ken    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:22:14 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>. Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP0 Message-ID: <WU9Cg.1745$pW5.93@news.cpqcorp.net>   Peter Weaver wrote:   J > So has there been any advancement on having the "HP TCP/IP Services for I > OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5" product produce a listing that IE would be  I > happy with? I distribute files to my clients from my VMS box using FTP  B > and one client complained that he could not use IE (clicking on I > ftp://username:password@ftp.weaverconsulting.ca) to access my files so  I > my site MUST be broken since IE works with every other FTP site he has   > ever been on.       Ok...  F    But what was the command, the error, etc?  How is the site set up? G Which version of Internet Explorer?  Of TCP/IP Services?  What was the  + URL used?  Forward slashes, or backslashes?   F    I pinged your site via Internet Explorer earlier today, and bumped E into a requirement for a username and password; there's no anonymous   access, apparently.   .    Also found the following over at Microsoft:  .      http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=135975  H    And the following URL over there indicates Microsoft doesn't support H FTP connections into "VAX or VMS FTP servers", at least in the older IE  version cited:  C      http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;266389   E    And does Mozilla Firefox, or FileZilla (both GUIs, obviously), or  , some other tool work with the same sequence?  H    I don't know off-hand if the OpenVMS EFS/ODS-5 or other more current D work has allowed compatibility with the Microsoft Internet Explorer  implementation.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:07:01 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda). Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP2 Message-ID: <06080820070159_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>  J >    I don't know off-hand if the OpenVMS EFS/ODS-5 or other more current F > work has allowed compatibility with the Microsoft Internet Explorer  > implementation.   C    Unless things have changed lately, MSIE expects a UNIX-like "ls" G format for the FTP LIST command, and the TCPIP FTP server doesn't offer  one.  H    As for EFS/ODS-5 helping, as of "HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AlphaI Version V5.4 - ECO 5", it only gets worse with ODS5 extended file names.  H The server provides a (DIRECRORY-format) listing with caret-escaped fileG names, but it will not accept those caret-escaped file names in RETR or  STOR (get or put) operations.   H    It's hard to be enthusiastic about a program which can't read its own output.   I    But I tend to run older sorftware, and maybe everything's better now.  " (Oh, I crack myself up sometimes.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:17:50 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>. Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP0 Message-ID: <44D945CE.6A7D2C13@spam.comcast.net>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >  > Peter Weaver wrote:  > K > > So has there been any advancement on having the "HP TCP/IP Services for J > > OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5" product produce a listing that IE would beJ > > happy with? I distribute files to my clients from my VMS box using FTPC > > and one client complained that he could not use IE (clicking on J > > ftp://username:password@ftp.weaverconsulting.ca) to access my files soJ > > my site MUST be broken since IE works with every other FTP site he has > > ever been on.  > 
 >    Ok... > G >    But what was the command, the error, etc?  How is the site set up? H > Which version of Internet Explorer?  Of TCP/IP Services?  What was the- > URL used?  Forward slashes, or backslashes?  > G >    I pinged your site via Internet Explorer earlier today, and bumped F > into a requirement for a username and password; there's no anonymous > access, apparently.  > 0 >    Also found the following over at Microsoft: > 0 >      http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=135975 > I >    And the following URL over there indicates Microsoft doesn't support I > FTP connections into "VAX or VMS FTP servers", at least in the older IE  > version cited: > E >      http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;266389  > F >    And does Mozilla Firefox, or FileZilla (both GUIs, obviously), or. > some other tool work with the same sequence? > I >    I don't know off-hand if the OpenVMS EFS/ODS-5 or other more current E > work has allowed compatibility with the Microsoft Internet Explorer  > implementation.   G As Peter noted - and I think we've been back-and-forth on this as well, G though one might also Google this group for the topic, UCX's FTP server E speaks VMS - period. It does not provide NLST data in UN*X-speak, and < there are - apparently - no plans to fix it. HGFTP is a fairG work-around, but I'd rather run Multinet's FTP server if I could find a 2 way to make it co-exist with UCX on the same node.  H I serve up T4 (CSVPNG) graphs to my colleagues at work via FTP; however,F since IE doesn't "play nice" with UCX's FTP server (or vice-versa, not< quite sure which - perhaps both) these are served up from anH AlphaStation 255 running V7.3-2 and Multinet V4.4A, while the productionG and development clusters for our major back-end app. run V7.3-2 and UCX 
 V5.4, ECO-5.    G I may someday, "in my copious spare time" as a former co-worker of mine C would say, put up either Apache for VMS or the follow-on product (I B forget what it is) on that box, but best not to hold one's breath.  3 For now, I've given my colleagues a URL similar to:    ftp://csvpng@10.0.1.10/   E ...and that serves up a directory from which they can select by date, H then by node name, and then the specific graph they want to see. I added a few graphs, also:   ) o Six-mode overlay graphs, all processors ' o Six-mode overlay graph, per processor  o I/O per drive   B BTW: If you elect to try this (ftp:), remind your users to refreshF frequently: Interhose Exploder caches *WAY* more stuff than it should!   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:43:27 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>. Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP) Message-ID: <jZbCg.10721$qw5.77@trnddc06>    Steven M. Schweda wrote:. > From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> > J >>   I don't know off-hand if the OpenVMS EFS/ODS-5 or other more current F >>work has allowed compatibility with the Microsoft Internet Explorer  >>implementation.  >  > E >    Unless things have changed lately, MSIE expects a UNIX-like "ls" I > format for the FTP LIST command, and the TCPIP FTP server doesn't offer  > one.  E The FTP RFC's (last time I looked) are quite explicit that the output F from the LIST command (the FTP protocol command issued by most clientsA when doing a "DIR") is not well-defined and is for human-readable E purposes only and programs should not and can not rely on its format.   G Most Unix and Unix-like systems use their local "ls" program to produce C this output, but nothing in the RFC requires or even suggests this. B There is also no guarantee that any two Unixes will have identicalF "ls" programs that will produce the exact same output for the same set	 of files.   H There is also and NLST command, which produces a list of filenames only,G which is well-defined, and is intended to be machine-readable.  I think D wildcarding (MGET and MPUT) work by doing an NLST with the specified7 file spec, then do GET or PUT of each item in the list.   @ There is *NO* FTP command that produces a list of filenames and G information (dates, sizes, etc.) in a standardized format, and there is D *NO* FTP command to return such information about an individual fileB (such that a client program could use NLST to get a list of files, and then ask about each one.)   ? So is the FTP protocol broken for not including such an obvious C and sensible thing decades after people first observed the need for  it?  ****YES*****   B Is IE broken for attempting to use LIST for something it was neverB intended for?  ***YES***  (with fewer asterisks, since they reallyD don't have a choice.)  Is IE broken for not supporting VMS directoryB format?  **YES**; they are just lazy.  Other graphical FTP clientsC (e.g. WS-FTP do it.)  If you are going to violate the RFC, at least  do a decent job of it.  A Is HP TCP/IP broken for not providing LIST output in Unix format? D No, it is in strict compliance with the RFC.  *HOWEVER*, they should@ do it anyway, while splashing around huge red warnings that they> are negotiating with terrorists when doing so.  It ought to be@ trivial...  GNV's "ls" already exists and produces a Unix-formatB directory listings of VMS (ODS-2 and ODS-5), so they don't need to write any code, just some glue.            > J >    As for EFS/ODS-5 helping, as of "HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS AlphaK > Version V5.4 - ECO 5", it only gets worse with ODS5 extended file names.  J > The server provides a (DIRECRORY-format) listing with caret-escaped fileI > names, but it will not accept those caret-escaped file names in RETR or  > STOR (get or put) operations.  > J >    It's hard to be enthusiastic about a program which can't read its own	 > output.  > K >    But I tend to run older sorftware, and maybe everything's better now.  $ > (Oh, I crack myself up sometimes.) > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 >    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 6 >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818 >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:44:24 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda). Subject: Re: Clients using a GUI to access FTP2 Message-ID: <06080821442436_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>  J > I serve up T4 (CSVPNG) graphs to my colleagues at work via FTP; however,H > since IE doesn't "play nice" with UCX's FTP server (or vice-versa, not> > quite sure which - perhaps both) these are served up from anJ > AlphaStation 255 running V7.3-2 and Multinet V4.4A, while the productionI > and development clusters for our major back-end app. run V7.3-2 and UCX  > V5.4, ECO-5.    D    My work-around is to map the top-level anonymous FTP directory to: "/ftp/" in the Web server (CSWS 1.3?  1.2 + update V7.0?):  &       Alias /ftp/ "/aftp_root/000000/"  / which is why I normally supply dual URLs, like:          ftp://antinode.org/xxxx "       http://antinode.org/ftp/xxxx  A In many cases, IE users who get frustrated with FTP failures will F migrate to the Web server.  I assume that any of the other Web serversC could do the same thing.  My FTP server log is sprinkled with stuff  like, for example:  B [...] User:anonymous logged in ident:IEUser@ from Host:<somewhere>I [...] User:anonymous ident:IEUser@ status:000184C4 CWD dir:MISC:[mdm.zip]   - That one was supposed to be "[.MISC]MDM.ZIP".   E    On the bright side, it seems that most of the population of Europe F runs some kind of FTP file-sharing-parasite software which, because ofD its UNIX-specific pathnames (with trailing slash characters), always fails on the TCPIP FTP server:   [...] 3 %TCPIP-I-FTP_NODE, client host name: 85.177.155.103 ' %TCPIP-I-FTP_USER, user name: anonymous  %TCPIP-I-FTP_OBJ, object: /pub/ E %TCPIP-I-FTP_CHINFO, TCPIP$FTPC000B4: Failed to set default directory 0 %SYSTEM-W-BADIRECTORY, bad directory file format3 %TCPIP-I-FTP_NODE, client host name: 85.177.155.103 ' %TCPIP-I-FTP_USER, user name: anonymous " %TCPIP-I-FTP_OBJ, object: /public/E %TCPIP-I-FTP_CHINFO, TCPIP$FTPC000B4: Failed to set default directory 0 %SYSTEM-W-BADIRECTORY, bad directory file format [...] 3 %TCPIP-I-FTP_NODE, client host name: 85.177.155.103 ' %TCPIP-I-FTP_USER, user name: anonymous A %TCPIP-I-FTP_OBJ, object: SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ANONYMOUS.060808100040p] @ %TCPIP-I-FTP_CHINFO, TCPIP$FTPC000B4: Failed to create directoryG %SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection violation  [...]   > There are times when incompatibility is more helpful than not.    I > I may someday, "in my copious spare time" as a former co-worker of mine E > would say, put up either Apache for VMS or the follow-on product (I D > forget what it is) on that box, but best not to hold one's breath.  @    Most likely, that's "copious _free_ time".  See, for example:4       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copious_free_time    H    Also, it's only fair to admit that I have gotten at least my share ofC cooperation and assistance from a fellow at HP who works on the FTP B server, so there's a limit on how much I can gripe about the thingB without my conscience bothering me a little.  (But only a little.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:50:37 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>$ Subject: Re: DCOM support on Itanium3 Message-ID: <44D8B2CD.7060.1EA1E823@stan.stanq.com>   * On 31 Jul 2006 at 13:33, Earl Lakia wrote:  > Is DCOM supportted on Itanium?   Not presently.   > Still supportted on Alpha?   Yep.  G > Was thinking of writng an OPC server for OpenVMS and using the DCOM.    A HP made the decision was made to not port DCOM to Itanium.  Then  > someone else realized that HP owns BaseStar, whose OPC server  requires DCOM.  @ Last I heard, DCOM is being ported to Itanium.  But no official 
 schedule yet.   D > Anyone wrote an OPC server for OpenVMS (one vendor, Matrikon,  hasG > kinda, but it uses an extra knot in the rope, a Windows box somewhere % > which is actually the OPC server)?    5 BaseStar does it all natively -- no Windows required.   E The only kink is that authenticated communications requires Advanced  D Server, not available on Itanium, and will be replaced by Samba.  I C did ask at my last opportunity if the BaseStar people were talking  B with the Samba people about migrating from Advanced Server.  They ( didn't know that there was a connection.  @ If your environment doesn't require authentication, you're okay.  F > Anyone tried to compile the OPC Foundation SDK on OpenVMS?  Too much- > Windows in the mix (e.g., more than DCOM)?    E I've thought about it, but haven't had the chance.  Might be worth a   quick try...  
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------8 Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA < stan-at-stanq-dot-com   http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html) "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:58:11 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@hp.com> $ Subject: RE: DCOM support on ItaniumT Message-ID: <FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B868401873D5B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Earl Lakia [mailto:elakia@hotmail.com]=20  > Sent: July 31, 2006 2:33 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " > Subject: DCOM support on Itanium >=20? > Is DCOM supportted on Itanium? Still supportted on Alpha? =20  > Was thinking of  > writng an H > OPC server for OpenVMS and using the DCOM.  Anyone wrote an OPC serverB > for OpenVMS (one vendor, Matrikon,  has kinda, but it uses an=20 > extra knot in 
 > the rope, a : > Windows box somewhere which is actually the OPC server)? >=20F > Anyone tried to compile the OPC Foundation SDK on OpenVMS?  Too much, > Windows in the mix (e.g., more than DCOM)? >=20 > -earl    OPC on OpenVMS pointers: http://www.infosat.fr/infosat/  % And another gem from Keith Cayemberg: ? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/be23d854653cd1f5    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  4 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Aug 2006 14:12:41 -0700 ' From: "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> 5 Subject: How do I find which ci addresses are in use? C Message-ID: <1155071561.900712.270150@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>   F I have a VAX VMS v6.2 CI cluster, with 3 local nodes and 3 at a remoteE site.  I have 12 pairs  of hsj50 controllers.  I want to add two more G hsj50 pairs to the cluster.  I know how to see which ci node the hsj50s F are using, but how do I find out what other ci node numbers are in use9 in the cluster (each VAX 7000 hasa three cixcd adapters)?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:17:02 GMT / From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> 9 Subject: Re: How do I find which ci addresses are in use? 7 Message-ID: <ib7Cg.20360$8j3.9775@twister.nyroc.rr.com>   3 "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote in message  = news:1155071561.900712.270150@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... G >I have a VAX VMS v6.2 CI cluster, with 3 local nodes and 3 at a remote G > site.  I have 12 pairs  of hsj50 controllers.  I want to add two more I > hsj50 pairs to the cluster.  I know how to see which ci node the hsj50s H > are using, but how do I find out what other ci node numbers are in use; > in the cluster (each VAX 7000 hasa three cixcd adapters)?  >    $show cluster/cont
 add rport    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:19:56 -0500 6 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net>9 Subject: Re: How do I find which ci addresses are in use? 0 Message-ID: <44D9464C.A2689087@spam.comcast.net>   Jeff Goodwin wrote:  > 4 > "syslost" <wm.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote in message? > news:1155071561.900712.270150@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... I > >I have a VAX VMS v6.2 CI cluster, with 3 local nodes and 3 at a remote I > > site.  I have 12 pairs  of hsj50 controllers.  I want to add two more K > > hsj50 pairs to the cluster.  I know how to see which ci node the hsj50s J > > are using, but how do I find out what other ci node numbers are in use= > > in the cluster (each VAX 7000 hasa three cixcd adapters)?  > >  >  > $show cluster/cont > add rport   + Yes - that will display what is *IN* *USE*.   H If there are any obsolete or other non-operating nodes still attached toC the CI, be aware that other node numbers may be configured on them.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  & Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page! http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/   ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/   ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:45:24 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 6 Subject: Re: VMS 7.3 vs 8.x - java in HTML files, Hmm.< Message-ID: <44d920fe$0$24181$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  7 "patrick jankowiak" <eccm@swbell.net> wrote in message  5 news:FLTBg.2544$%j7.650@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...  > Hello, > L > Some time ago my Alphaserver 2000 hardware failed for good. I replaced it A > with an XP1000 I inherited from my good friend John Wisniewski.  > I > When I put up the new webserver, my friend Mr. Smiley and I loaded VMS  G > 8.3? (it had just come out) on it with Apache. Sure, why not put the   > latest on? > K > After FTP-ing some hundreds of HTML files over, I noticed that once they  K > got on the system live, I could use any web browser and view source, and  L > one short line of javascript had been inserted in each HTML file near the M > beginning. I verified this by FTP-ing the files back to myself and looking  $ > at them, sure enough it was there. > K > I never use jvascript, don't need it, and really it's a browser security  K > hole as far as I am concerned. This was disturbing or I was disturbed by   > it anyway. > L > I do not recall what the little string of code was exactly, and it seemed J > to do nothing, except maybe fiddle with the few pixels of slack between L > the user's www display width and the width of a simple width="100%" table. > L > I apologize for not remembering, it has been a while since this and I did M > not have news access for a very long time, until just now. I had been, for  I > lack of a more exact single word, disinterested in participating for a  K > long time due the Wiz's untimely demise, the Charlie Matco incident, and  J > then the failure of the DEC computer museum before it was even born. It 3 > was alot to take but I better get on with it now.  > J > Anyway, I nuked the version 8 system and all the data, went back to 7.3 ' > and the javascript problem went away.  > M > Mr. Smiley and I both read upon the changes 7.3 to 8.x, etc, but could not   > find anything. > M > Was VMS 8.3 set up wrong with some default I don't know about or should it  J > be playing with my HTML files? Did Apache do this? Has anyone else seen  > this?  > E > Sorry for the dumb questions about an obscure problem that I don't  L > remember all the details of. Sorry for whining about my friends. VMS is a J > hobby for me; a safe in which to keep my important data and a fort from K > which to serve the many purveyors of recondite interests. I'm not always  3 > privy to all the innermost secrets so blast away.  > ' What version of Apache are you running? L I've seen JavaScript get messed up by the STREAM_LF requirement. If you are K running SWS-2.1 then you need to disable the STREAM_LF requirement via the   following method: E http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/openvms_notes_apache.html#sws21     
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:17:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple , Message-ID: <44D8E334.798EA21D@teksavvy.com>   Neil Rieck wrote: K > If memory serves, last year Steve Jobs admitted Apple had been running an M > Intel "skunk works" for more than 5 years. So the time-frames you reference  > may not mean what you think.  C Not quite a skunk works because the kernel used fo OS-X was already E available on the 8086. The skunkworks was more in developping Rosetta E which does on-the-fly PowerPC emulation on the 8086 *AND* handles the  big-endianness of PowerPC.  G And as far as VMS, we all know that they've been working on the port to D the 8086 for years now, in the basement of ZKO :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  E When Hoff says that there are no plans to port to the 8086, he really F means "we don't plan to port to the 8086 since we've already done that& port" :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:21:14 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple , Message-ID: <44D8E425.E4139910@teksavvy.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: + > What will a desktop PC do with 32 cores ?   G Run some videogames wickedly fast with extesive on-the-fly 3d rendering > of extremely high quality with a few cores dedicated to speechD recognition, a coulple for sensory recognition etc (no more need for; game controls, it will all be direct from the game player).    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:25:57 GMT   From: John Santos <john@egh.com>/ Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple + Message-ID: <Fj7Cg.17726$Qu4.1453@trnddc04>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: ! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > , >> What will a desktop PC do with 32 cores ?3 >> What 32 things will it be running concurrently ?  >  > J >   The windowing system, the anti-malware software, IPv6, encryption, HD K > codecs, the great grandson of the CSS content protection scheme, the the  I > WinFTTP link (a really dumb FTTP card), IEEE 802.11zzzz galactic WLAN,  F > the 10Gb SAN into the petabyte storage farm, the fully-adaptive and C > self-patching operating system (which obviously uses those other  J > processors to stage the updates and to dynamically trans-bootstrap into ? > the new environment), a fully-parallelized office suite with  I > cranial-scan I/O; I'm sure we can find a few processes and a few tasks   > to fill the available cycles.    You forgot the screen-saver :-)    And games :-) :-)      --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:46:10 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> / Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple < Message-ID: <44d9131c$0$24190$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  , <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message & news:eba0rd$66h$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...L > In article <44d868fc$0$24210$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>, "Neil Rieck"   > <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:< >>"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( >>news:44D823BB.8EE02AD7@teksavvy.com...   [...snip...]  L I was recently reminded that Intel CPUs have gone from 2,000 transistors to 3 300 million in 25 years. A growth of 150,000 times. 6 http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2_2-6102651.html?tag=nl.e622J so it doesn't matter if people think they'll "need" this amount of power, M software will fill the available resources. Moore's law will continue but it  E will do so with cores 'n cache rather than increasing CPU complexity.        ###   F Getting back to Apple, I understand that the MacPro is employing Xeon G processors which we have been told all along are only meant for use in  M servers, not desktops. And yet I'll bet Apple will sell a bunch of them. And  I Intel will happily comply. And everyone else will wonder why they didn't  G push this idea first. (I understand that Dell was already selling Xeon  2 desktops but they weren't marketed to the masses).  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 23:05:38 GMT 9 From: Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> / Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple D Message-ID: <nospam.News.Bob-CB1B94.19061208082006@news.verizon.net>  , In article <44D8E334.798EA21D@teksavvy.com>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Neil Rieck wrote: M > > If memory serves, last year Steve Jobs admitted Apple had been running an O > > Intel "skunk works" for more than 5 years. So the time-frames you reference   > > may not mean what you think. > E > Not quite a skunk works because the kernel used fo OS-X was already G > available on the 8086. The skunkworks was more in developping Rosetta G > which does on-the-fly PowerPC emulation on the 8086 *AND* handles the  > big-endianness of PowerPC. > I > And as far as VMS, we all know that they've been working on the port to F > the 8086 for years now, in the basement of ZKO :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  G > When Hoff says that there are no plans to port to the 8086, he really H > means "we don't plan to port to the 8086 since we've already done that( > port" :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)  9 You mean in the fitness center?  There is that, a locker  ? room/shower, 2 conference rooms, and the heating plant for the  	 building.   A Where did they stick the skunkworks?   I know, maybe they set it  ; up on the helipad waiting shack.  no one uses that anymore.   2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:41:25 GMT , From: Hoff Hoffman <hoff-remove-this@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple 1 Message-ID: <VaaCg.1746$SW5.449@news.cpqcorp.net>    Neil Rieck wrote:   N > I was recently reminded that Intel CPUs have gone from 2,000 transistors to  > 300 million in 25 years.    G    The Itanium 2 Processor 9050 series microprocessor(Montecito) is up  1 around 1.7 billion transistors, per Intel.  FWIW.   H > Getting back to Apple, I understand that the MacPro is employing Xeon I > processors which we have been told all along are only meant for use in   > servers, not desktops.  H    HP has been selling Intel Xeon-based workstations for quite a while, H as have various other vendors.  The xw6200 series and various upper-end B workstations, for instance, as well as the older xw6000 or xw8000 H series, all provide Xeon processors.  Intel Xeon, Intel Itanium, Alpha, F VAX, etc., are commonly configured for multiprocessing (with multiple D sockets, and potentially with the cross-bar and glue from, say, the I AlphaServer GS1280), where various other processors target single-socket   configurations.   H    The baseline is around the packaging and the interconnects; how many E lanes in the PCIe bus(es), for instance.  (There's not really a huge  C difference between servers and workstations and timesharing boxes,  D except out toward the fringes of the particular configurations, and A around the particular packaging and options and software that is   offered, provided and tested.)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:09:32 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> / Subject: Re: VMS backup: competition from Apple < Message-ID: <44d950d5$0$24202$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com>  : "Hoff Hoffman" <hoff-remove-this@hp.com> wrote in message + news:VaaCg.1746$SW5.449@news.cpqcorp.net...  > Neil Rieck wrote:  > L >> I was recently reminded that Intel CPUs have gone from 2,000 transistors  >> to 300 million in 25 years. > H >   The Itanium 2 Processor 9050 series microprocessor(Montecito) is up 3 > around 1.7 billion transistors, per Intel.  FWIW.  >   M I think the reason Intel didn't mention the Itanium transistor count is that  C they were drawing a line from 4004 through to P4 (but this is just   speculation on my part).  G 1.7 billion transistors is impressive, though. Montecito is dual-core,   right?  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada." http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:25:09 +0400# From: "work" <work@informchaos.com> ' Subject: XP1000 1+4 beeps when starting / Message-ID: <ebavfs$ib9$1@alpha2.radio-msu.net>   + Can't find any info anywhere in the manual     ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:48:38 -0500 (CDT)* From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda)+ Subject: Re: XP1000 1+4 beeps when starting 2 Message-ID: <06080816483842_2027FAC5@antinode.org>  # From: "work" <work@informchaos.com>   - > Can't find any info anywhere in the manual    H    Which manual?  There's a ZIP-compressed HTML "XP1000 System ReferenceH and Maintenance Guide" ("XP1000SG.EXE" in the "MISC" directory on my FTP server) which says:   ?      LED                                  Beep   Possible Cause A    M     L  Meaning of the Code           Code   Action to Repair H -----+----+-----------------------------+------+------------------------E  1110 0110  Memory array zero not usable   1,4   Check Array 0 DIMMS, G                                                  Reseat DIMMs, Bad DIMM     :    The memory module layout on this system is not obvious:  0     ------------------------ DIMM J8 Array 0 ---0     --- DIMM J4 Array 1 ------------------------0     ------------------------ DIMM J7 Array 0 ---0     --- DIMM J3 Array 1 ------------------------0     ------------------------ DIMM J6 Array 0 ---0     --- DIMM J2 Array 1 ------------------------0     ------------------------ DIMM J5 Array 0 ---0     --- DIMM J1 Array 1 ------------------------  /      |                                        | /      |  CPU Daughter Card Extractor Brackets  | /      V                                        V   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  3    Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-org 4    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2006.440 ************************